Superbowl thoughts thread

The shooter all i do is provide good fade material--

perhaps if you learned the game and realize that Willy Parker is a joke in this league, he is not a starting running back, he is weak mentally, cant run anything but a long run, cant even catch as was witnessed last week when BEN threw him the ball and he was wide open and for some reason didnt even put his hands up.

This guy is playing on a good team and otherwise is a joke. He was from UNC, he is not starting material in the NFL, he was fast 2 seasons ago and took a few to the house, if he doesent take it to the house he is done as a running back, he is complete rubbish. He runs vs panzie teams, in the superbowl I expect him to be contained as long as he doesent break a big one he is going to be useless--

Pitt could win the game and may be the play, but the real line is Pickem to -3 for PItts, but as 3rd long said most of PItts wins were by more than 7--

although pitts is 4-5 vs playoff teams and also lost to zona last year 21-14--

For the record I think their defense is overrated and was the product of bad offenses, after all this same all star defense was still 0-4 vs playoff teams eagles colts giants and tenny- so they can be beaten pretty easily.
 
wow, kinda funny how Slow Willie was leading the entire NFL last year in rushing when he got hurt, guess he sucks though. Probably why Zona will win by at least 3 tds with their run stuffing D and lock down corners. Pitt shouldn't even bother showing up, this game has ariz. blowout written all over it.
 
CapTwo said:
:cheers:

Like the steelers too, 3rd. This whole smoke-and-mirrors/trick play crap zona has been incorporating into their offense wont work when you have no run game going up against the #1 run defense in the NFL. Steelers can drop back into coverage and have at least one if not both safeties over the top for help. Which also will help limit fitz's effectiveness.

Not sure about making it a possible 17 unit play (which i know is a SHITLOAD for you since you usually do 1-1.5 unit ones)

But will have a couple on them too.

Youre that confident on em though? (not doubting, just wondering)
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Yes.

I'm probably going to have some Pitt ML or Pitt teased with the total (more likely I hate laying -240), and a few more units on Pitt - whatever the local has for a spread, and a nice sized Pitt & Over reverse. May not be 17 units at risk, but it will be close.


Then of course there's the coin flip and other assorted prop bets, and a few $100 squares. Plus the booze and other assorted party favors. :36_11_6:

I really like Pitt for the 3rd quarter, Zona has come out flat in the 2nd half, and Pitt has dominated.
 
Sammy Meatballs said:
And about willy parker he is so easy to tackle, and so not fast anymore, he is a HOME RUN HITTER, who cant hit home runs anymore. He is very easy to tackle and also fumbles the ball, he is a joke, he had his good year a few ago and is done now--.
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:36_11_6: again sammy has no clue what hes talking about (pretty typical)....


parker had ZERO fumbles in the regular season this year (210 rushing attempts), and ONE fumble in 2 playoff games... :shake:
 
I think it's pretty damn funny how nearly every single person in here is claiming there is Arizona love everywhere, and how the public is simply all over Arizona. If that's the case, then I'd expect there to be a lot more Arizona support in this thread, which there is not.

To me, it seems like Pittsburgh is getting most of the public love. Most of my friends, who watch plenty of football, but rarely bet (because they've lost alot in the past), keep saying, "Pittsburgh is gonna kill them." "The Steelers will roll."

We'll see. Warner has shown he can perform in a Superbowl. Only reason Big Ben won is because of that stellar defense. Quite frankly, he was HORRIBLE in his last Superbowl appearance against the Hawks. If not for some awful calls by the officials, who clearly favored PIT (and crushed every big play Seattle made), the game would have been much different/closer.

This is a matchup of the best defense in the NFL against one of the best, if not the BEST offense in the NFL. 7 points is way too much in my opinion, no matter how good the Steeler defense. All it takes is one or two explosive plays from Zona to get points on the board...and their offense is explosive, especially now that Boldin is healthier.

I'll take my chances with a hot team getting 7.
 
You Arizona backers do realize that you are betting on a defense that gave up nearly 500 yards in their own stadium last weekend, don't you?

That's not "bend don't break", it's just bad.
 
3rd & Long said:
You Arizona backers do realize that you are betting on a defense that gave up nearly 500 yards in their own stadium last weekend, don't you?

That's not "bend don't break", it's just bad.
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Considering Zona was up by 18 at Halftime, and came out sluggish in the 2nd Half, I wasn't too surprised.

Philly racked up most their 450 yards on offense in the 2nd Half, and went into pass-happy mode. I was impressed with how Zona responded when they needed to.

BTW, Warner completed 75% of his passes for roughly 300 yards, 4 TDs 0 INTs, against arguably a better secondary than Pittsburgh's.

I understand that Zona's defense isn't stellar. However, I also understand that Pittsburgh's offense isn't stellar. They simply get the job done.
 
Aztec4Life said:
Considering Zona was up by 18 at Halftime, and came out sluggish in the 2nd Half, I wasn't too surprised.

Philly racked up most their 450 yards on offense in the 2nd Half, and went into pass-happy mode. I was impressed with how Zona responded when they needed to.

BTW, Warner completed 75% of his passes for roughly 300 yards, 4 TDs 0 INTs, against arguably a better secondary than Pittsburgh's.

I understand that Zona's defense isn't stellar. However, I also understand that Pittsburgh's offense isn't stellar. They simply get the job done.
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I see your points, believe me I've looked at both sides of things.

I'd love to bet against Pittsburgh here - I'm still bitter about the Seattle Superbowl. And I'd much rather be catching points than laying them. I just think if you back Arizona you are wishing & hoping for a lot of things to happen to get the cover. I feel the same way about Zona here as I did about the Eagles last week - this team was on the outs less than 2 months ago, and they've had too many shit performances away from home for me to ignore. If the Eagles had played 2 halves of football we wouldn't be having this discussion, and I don't see the Arizona D weathering another storm, and I sure don't see them having a comfortable lead at any point in this game. I think the Steelers get to 35 or better here. I don't see Arizona getting to 28, and why should I? Only one other team has.

No knock on Fitzgerald, but all of a sudden he's the best in the league? I think the Steelers D will have a lot to say about that. Boldin & Breaton better contribute in a big way if Zona is going to have a chance.

I like Arizona, just not in this game. Good health. :cheers:
 
Aztec4Life said:
Considering Zona was up by 18 at Halftime, and came out sluggish in the 2nd Half, I wasn't too surprised.

Philly racked up most their 450 yards on offense in the 2nd Half, and went into pass-happy mode. I was impressed with how Zona responded when they needed to.

BTW, Warner completed 75% of his passes for roughly 300 yards, 4 TDs 0 INTs, against arguably a better secondary than Pittsburgh's.

I understand that Zona's defense isn't stellar. However, I also understand that Pittsburgh's offense isn't stellar. They simply get the job done.
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I cannot believe how people pick and choose what is relevant to make their case.

Read that sentence a few times and get back to me. :36_11_6:
I'm sorry, but holy fuck, this is unbelievable.
 
3rd I think if PItts covers this game they dont get to 35 points. I think they would win and get more like 24 ish maybe 27ish--

TOMLIN is a defensive minded coach, everything PITTS was points to defense and punting and field position bro--

I know what you are thinking but PItts when they win score in the 20's, I dont think this offense takes enough chances and has the ability to score 35 on many teams-

they run the ball for a lot of bad gains, and BIG BEN is all about outside the pocket, CARDS will stop that. I think BIG BEN is a good matchup for ZONA, cause he is all about atheltic ability, cards can sack him I think , they know him from WHISE.
 
I think that this will be a high scoring Super Bowl. Whisenhunt will load the box and force Ben to throw especially with Hines being hurt. Ward will play but won't be 100%.

Cromartie will shadow Homes and this will leave Heather Miller as the focal point of the Squeeler offense. He is a very good receiving tight end. He will have a big day.
Limas Sweed will play and if he catches the ball, will score at least one TD.

Whisenhunt was there when Oakland, Cleveland and New England dissected the Squeeler defense. If the Squeelers insist on playing their base defense, I look for Arizona to line up 4 wide and throw the ball on every play.

Arizona's weak link on the o-line is their center. Fat Casey Hampton will control him and they will not be able to run. Arizona also loves to run the stretch play with Edge, the same one he ran with success in Indy. Again Pitt has too much defensive speed with their linebackers and will negate this. So that leaves throwing the ball all over the place which Coach Wiz will do. Doing this will force Pitt out of the base D removing Hampton from the game and possibly allowing the Cards running game to work a bit with Shotgun draws.

I believe Arizona will score at least 28 points. I think that Pitt wins the game but I will only be playing the over. This game will be close and a late TD will be the difference between the cover or not. It could be 34-31 with Pitt leading before a late defensive TD or cheap offensive TD after an Arizona TO deep in their territory.

I will also play many of the passing props as both QB's will throw for over 300 yards.
 
wiseplayer said:
Never seen so much guessing in all my life. Good stuff though.
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:36_11_6:And that is precisely what it is. A guessing game. The line is pretty much dead on IMO, so flip a coin. After all, isn't that the ultimate result vegas wants? Even money? ;) :shake:
 
3rd & Long said:
I cannot believe how people pick and choose what is relevant to make their case.

Read that sentence a few times and get back to me. :36_11_6:
I'm sorry, but holy fuck, this is unbelievable.
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I'm picking and choosing what I feel is relevant, just like you (isn't that what everyone does?). Not quite sure how my comment is funny or stupid, because that's obviously what you're implying.

Regardless of my method, it's been working for me since I started wagering 7 years ago on football, so no complaints here. Never seen you post your record, so...

All I did was state a fact. You exaggerated drastically, and implied that Philly racked up nearly 500 yards. 450 yards isn't 500, for starters.

Second...Arizona came out flat after building a 24-6 lead in the 1st Half. So like I said, I wasn't surprised that the Cardinals came out soft in the 3rd Quarter (and that Philly actually made some decent halftime adjustments for once). Conversely, Philly played with a sense of desperation in the 2nd Half, and threw the ball ALOT. When you pass the ball 30 times, and run it 7 times, you tend to pick up larger chunks of yardage.

Again, all I implied with that comment was that Philly was behind, and they hit two huge pass plays, totaling nearly 100 yards and 2 TDs (the Jackson & Celek touchdowns).

IMO, Pittsburgh will play to their strength, and will run the ball and play great defense. Tomlin will more than likely be conservative. Most head coaches have been conservative in recent superbowls (hence, all the close outcomes). The last five Superbowls have been decided by an average of 6 points/game.

My reasoning is simple. I'll take a very hot team, with a much more explosive offense, getting a full TD. Not to mention, Whisenhunt knows Big Ben (both his strengths and weaknesses) better than any coach in the NFL. It might benefit the Cards, and it might not...but the knowledge he posesses definitely won't hurt Zona's chances.

Good health on Pitt.
 
Two things not being mentioned that play into Arizona's favor:

1) Weather - Steelers have not played a warm weather game since October. Looks like the weather in Tampa on Sunday will be ideal. There could be some issue with the warmth, mainly cramps and sucking wind.

2) In addition to Whisenhunt and Grimm being familiar with the Steelers O, former Steelers starting LB Clark Haggans is on the Cards IR. He could give some valuable insight into the Steelers attacking schemes and blitz packages.
 
Gandolf said:
Two things not being mentioned that play into Arizona's favor:

1) Weather - Steelers have not played a warm weather game since October. Looks like the weather in Tampa on Sunday will be ideal. There could be some issue with the warmth, mainly cramps and sucking wind.

2) In addition to Whisenhunt and Grimm being familiar with the Steelers O, former Steelers starting LB Clark Haggans is on the Cards IR. He could give some valuable insight into the Steelers attacking schemes and blitz packages.
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1. weather should be mid 70's, if it was played last week it would have been very cold.

2. lets be honest, even if ariz. has the playbook, the way that Dick shcemes, it will still be a crapshoot. i really don't see it helping them too much.
 
Great thread guys

3rd, you have pretty much all the same feelings I do this week going in. I played it at 6.5 tonight at BM while its still there. I expect a significant move despite this being near a key number.

34-20 sounds bout right here.
 
hello all,
ive got a few points i would like to share if i may.
everyone thinks that because wiz knows pitt that it is a bonus for ari. pitt, in contrast, also knows how wiz thinks and calls plays. both teams have evolved in the past two years. knowing each other is fun to talk about but not a factor!
everyone thinks ari has this unbelievable offense that will blow by pitt D. pitt played cin twice(2 great receivers), dal (romo and great receivers), new eng (good rec and hot young qb, had put up 40 plus? several games before pitt) and so on and so on... come on, this isnt the first team with a good O that pitt played. it isnt even the best O theyve played, but on the contrary, pitt is the best D ari has played.
everyone says that pitt lost to 4 playoff teams already. have you guys seen their schedule this year?! did you expect pitt to go undefeated? other than cle and cin every team they played was a playoff team, or possibly could have been one if they had beaten pitt.

the whole country is in love with ari right now. ari IS a feel good story but do you really think they can hang in against a rested, focused, and motivated steeler team? pitt has the most physical team in the league(balt may be as phys but no one else), the best D in the league, and should have one of the best Os in the league if not for all the o-line injuries early. do you guys realize that pitts all pro center out early, lost fanecca and other starting gaurd injured early, and all pro tack simmins out early? 4 out of 5 starters gone for this season. people blamed ben and parker for lackluster performance through the year but looking a bit deeper it was quite obvious what the prob was. this line has finally gelled. it may not be as good as the original o-line but it is good enough. plus they are SICK of hering how many sacks ben had this year.

IMO, i think pitt will score early and often. it doesnt matter what plays they call. they will execute them well enough to score. some may be FGs but other will be TDs. their D may score also. if pitt really comes to play(and i think they will) this game may get ugly.

now to put my money where my mouth is....
im up around 100 units this FB season and im putting at least 50 units on pitt -7. thinking hard on 75 units. thats a lot of jack!

just my thought,
good luck to all,
stevsa
 
yes, brewer. i only bet fb. i feel this strongly about this game. i will have a great year or just an ok year but either way ill be better off than i started.
good luck all,
stevsa
 
Stevsa nice writeup--

How do you define and know the whole country is in love with ARIZONA? What is the whole country and how did you determine that?

Also are the Cardinals not rested, motivated and focussed? Did they have a game last week that I did not know about?

How can you determine who the most physical team in the league is? The most physical team in the leaugue would have a PHYSICAL O LINE and not give up sacks-

Pitts should have one of the best O's? Well should have does not count, they dont that is a FACT.

It does not matter what plays Pitts calls they will score early and often? In which game did they score early and often this season? Also if play calling does not matter, will the 11 first downs vs balty and running USELESS PARKER on 1st and 2nd for no gain going to score at will on ZONA?

How does this game get ugly? I dont see it, if anything ZONA is the team that is getting up by 20+ in games and the games are getting ugly BRO--

Comaring Cincy and Dallas to ZONA is laughable, those 2 offenses are horrible, Cincy was never a good offense , and dallas was below average also with Jason Garret calling shit plays and ROMO being ROMO a QB that cant beat good teams--

Plus dont compare Owens to FITZ and Bolding, I would take Breaston over OWENS, OWENS is a lot of talk, but put a quick DB on him and he can be shut down.

It takes balls to put a play in like you are, I respect for you that and wish you luck on hitting it buddy--

But a word of advice sometimes its not wise to make this game bigger than it is ie putting 50 units on it, but if you feel strong about it, go ahead and do it--

GOod luck
 
Sammy, you're supporting a team that got 6 of their 9 wins vs the NFC West and going against a team who went 12-4 playing the toughest schedule in the NFL over the last 25 years.
If you watch the Pitt-Ravens AFC Title game you'll notice Baltimore was manhandled on both sides of the line of scrimmage. Not easy to do vs the Ravens. This is where Arizona is in big trouble. Arizona wont be able to run the ball making them 1 dimensional. Warner throwing against the best secondary in the league is what will determine whether this is a Steeler blowout or a close contest.
What really concerns me with Arizona was how much their defense gave up vs Philly. If McNabb wasn't so inaccurate with his throws in the 1st half that would have been a different game. Guys were wide open everywhere and Donovan was throwing terrible passes at them. Precisely the reason why DM can't win the big game.
I see Pitt winning 30-17. With Arizona scoring a late TD to make it 17. GL!
 
thanks, sammy
as far as "the whole country"... no matter who the steelers play or what the spot is there is usually at least 40-50% diehards that will take pitt no matter what. can you name the last time you saw a different team get over 60% bets agst pitt? it doesnt happen often. right now it looks like ari is getting 52-53%. this team squeaked into the playoffs and now the majority think they can not only cover but actually win. the ml was something like 80% zona.

as far as physical... as a homer, i watch every steeler game. i also watch everything i can about every team in the nfl. the steeler WRs put out more opponents than most teams entire team. in every interview with opposing coaches/players they always speak of the physicallity of the steelers. pitt o-line has a chip on their shoulder and are playing much better.

this leads right into fast willie. im not quite sure why the angst for parker but i do not believe it is deserved. since he became a starter he has always been up near the top in rushing yards. last year he was # 1 before his injury (averaged somewhere close to 120 yds/game). this year he was injured also. mendenhal had an opportunity for playing time as a rookie before he also went down. mewelde? moore stepped in admirably. i dont care who we had as RB this year, they would have struggled behind our hodgepodge o-line.

lastly, comparing dal and others to zona is "laughable"... this statement is almost laughable. i would really like to know when the 9-7 ari O became the best in the nfl. i know the arizona bandwagon is really large. hopefully it is big enough for everyone to jump onto comfortably. if i could control the public perception this would be exactly what i would want. i dont quite understand all the love for ari (maybe hate on pitt?) but ill take it.

IMO pittsburg is the better team. IMO much better. i know the best team doesnt always win but in this case i dont think it will even be close. hopefully even more people will jump on this bandwagon before the big game. just the way i like to see it!!

good luck, stevsa
 
Some more thoughts to ponder from a site that follows the Steelers

Lack of speed at FS. Ryan Clark is always good for hitting the helpless receiver. He spent various afternoons getting trucked by Lendale White and Brandon Jacobs, of course, but give him a shot at the helpless receiver and Clarkie will be licking his chops. That aside, Clark’s speed and athleticism is abysmal, and any time he’s tasked to provide single coverage on a deep route -- such as the scorching he received in Nashville from Justin Gage on the 34-yard TD -- it’s a gross mismatch in favor of the offense. Rest assured, Clark</ST1:pl will be the #1 guy targeted by OC Todd Haley on deep routes this Sunday.

Finally, there are a couple of intriguing circumstances to this Super Bowl that are worth mulling over. They relate to Super Bowl history, and in particular, the Stillers.
We are matched up here in 2009 against a 9-7 division-winning Cardinals team. It’s a team that is making a story-book run, and it has garnered quite a bit of media attention in this regard. I think it’s worth pointing out that a similar story happened 19 years ago when our Steelers played the then-Los Angeles Rams in Sup Bowl 14.

In Jan 1980, the Steelers were returning to the SB for the 4th time in 6 years, their second back-to-back appearance. They were a 13-point, heavily favored powerhouse that nobody in their right mind even considered having a chance to lose the game.

<O:pThey were playing the 9-7 division winning Los Angeles Rams, a team not many people expected to be playing in the Sup Bowl, just like the Cards in 2009. Those ’79 Rams didn’t play the Steelers in the regular season that year. However, they did play the eventual Sup Bowl champion ’78 Steelers in the previous regular season. And that Ram team beat them, by a score of 10-7. This was one of two regular season losses that year in a 14-2 season for the Steelers. This fact was largely discounted going into the ’79 Sup Bowl (Sup Bowl 14).

Much the same way that the ‘07 Cardinal team, under new head coach Whisenhunt, shut down the Steelers in a 21-14 regular season win last season. And, just like the Rams of ’79, the Cardinals did not play our Steelers in ’08. Yet, here they are, a 9-7 division winner that nobody expected to be there, playing for the Sup Bowl title.

<O:pOf course, history tells us the Steelers won on that famous Sunday in January of 1980. But, it was a pucker game for us. Bradshaw had to overcome 3 INTs, and we were losing 19-17 two minutes into the 4th quarter. While Bradshaw won the MVP of that game, it was Larry Anderson returning a 140+ yards worth of kicks that made a huge impact, as well as 2 tremendous catches on long bombs by John Stallworth.

<O:pInterestingly, there was a famous former Steelers coach on that Rams team that knew quite a bit about our team, by the name of Bud Carson. He was the Rams DC then. And his knowledge of the Stillers made quite a difference in that Super Bowl. These ’08 Cards have some coaches (Grimm, Cheezenhunt) and players (Tuman, Morey) that are fairly familiar with our team as well. We should assume these fellows have a decent understanding of the Stillers’ weaknesses, and a keen interest in exploiting those weaknesses rather than blindly flogging themselves against the Stillers’ strengths.

<O:pThe moral of this recap is that this upcoming game is no gimme. The Stillers have a better team. They should win the game. But reviewing the history and our weaknesses shows the Stillers are in for a tougher fight than the betting line indicates.
 
Interesting article

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09028/945036-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml


TAMPA, Fla. -- Rod Woodson may have been the best defensive back to ever play the game, so he knows a little about receivers and passing offenses. And he thinks his former team could be in trouble on Sunday.
The Steelers had the No. 1 defense in the regular season, including the No. 1 defense against the pass, yet they have not seen anything like what the Arizona Cardinals could throw at them in the Super Bowl, Woodson said.
"I think it's going to be a tough task in the secondary for the Steelers just to match up on a play-by-play basis and shut those receivers down," Woodson said yesterday. "To me, this is the toughest draw the Steelers had in the NFC.
"Playing against Philly, I think they could out-tough the Eagles. Playing against the Arizona Cardinals against spread-out football, who can find all their receivers? And Kurt Warner's doing an outstanding job. I think it's a tough draw for them."
Woodson made the NFL's 75th anniversary team, the Steelers' 75th anniversary team and will be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame Saturday. He works for the NFL Network, where his opinions often are sharp, but honest.
He did not pick the Cardinals to win the Super Bowl, not yet anyway, but he did say they could pick the Steelers apart. Arizona features three 1,000-yard receivers in Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston. They helped Warner complete 67.1 percent of his passes this season. In Steelers franchise history, there have been two 1,000-yard receivers in one season only once, in 2002 with Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress.

"I think this is the toughest match the Steelers are going to face all year," Woodson said. "The way you beat a 3-4 is you spread them out and you hit them in the seams. That's exactly how Arizona plays, and that's how they played them last year without Anquan Boldin."
The Cardinals beat the Steelers, 21-14, in Arizona on Sept. 30, 2007. Warner and Matt Leinart combined for only 215 passing yards and one touchdown that day.
"If the Steelers are going to win this football game, the secondary -- the back end -- and the linebackers in coverage have to play the best they played all season long," Woodson predicted. "And if they can do that, they can win the football game. But if they have a bad day, it's over for the Steelers."
The Steelers often had trouble with spread offenses in the early part of this decade, but they've tightened up since Dick LeBeau's return as coordinator in 2004.
"You have to think ... a little advantage has to go to the Cardinals just for the fact they can spread you out, they can throw the football," Woodson said. "I can see them going to their two-minute [strategy] in their first series. What that does, you don't have the whole blitz package for Dick LeBeau at hand because you can't get into all that, the checks."
Woodson made it clear that he's pulling for the Steelers to win and just offering an opinion. He long ago overcame the biting disappointment when he felt the Steelers low-balled him in contract negotiations and he signed in the summer of 1997 with the 49ers, who moved him to safety.
"I had a little sour taste in my mouth for about two years," Woodson said. "They had to do what was best for the team. One of the main guys who was part of that, he left a couple years later, that's when I finally said, 'OK.' "

Woodson still blames former football operations director Tom Donahoe for not re-signing him, but it really was a joint decision that included coach Bill Cowher and the Rooneys.
"Pittsburgh was a great place to play, a great place to learn about pro football, the history of it, the fan base of the Steelers, and the teachers who were there -- Chuck Noll and Tony Dungy when I first got there ... and Rod Rust came in and was a mentor. Then those guys left and Bill Cowher and Dick LeBeau and Dom Capers came in. I had some great teachers, all in Pittsburgh who helped me out a great deal.
"Chuck Noll told me my rookie year, this game is 85 percent mental. It's true."
It's why he spoke about their chances yesterday with his head, not his heart
 
Giants were a public dog LY according to what the online books tell us. That worked out pretty well I'd say.
 
There is no such thing as the public and all that bullshit--

the public exists so that people dont win and clean the books out--

brewer is right and he understands, its why I can win almost daily now because I am not confused at all and know the truth.
 
The cards and steelers could settle this in tampa at tbay stadium with no crowd, the better team will win--

they will settle it on the field, not in the forums, lol and teh public dogs--

You will see people, they dont know who will win, otherwise they dont play this game, there is a reason they play these games
 
Sammy, just like poker, there's lots of dead money out there. When they all go one way it loses a very high percentage of the time. It's been going on for years. If you don't think this exists then you havent been paying attention.
 
wiseplayer said:
Sammy, just like poker, there's lots of dead money out there. When they all go one way it loses a very high percentage of the time. It's been going on for years. If you don't think this exists then you havent been paying attention.
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dont believe in wiseplayer--

the reason people lose is the propaganda they pump in people heads--

waht is dead money?
 
So much for Zona having no shot at covering.

Congrats Zona backers, and congrats Pittsburgh fans!

Thank you Cardinals for making me a boatload today!!!

:cheers:
 
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