Superbowl-- How the Line was SET-
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Pincher
Pretty much a regular
Aplous - "Regarding all of this..........the line is set for equal action. Vegas kills on props and shit like that....if they have 50/50 action on the side and total they'd be thrilled."
currently after the move from -6.5 to -7 it's right there...
http://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart
GL to all...
currently after the move from -6.5 to -7 it's right there...
http://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart
GL to all...
WRONG!!!!! ....again
blame the refs all you want and make excuses - it's pathetic people still believe this... the steelers covered the spread and won - that's all that matters if you look at your betting ticket...
HOW did they do it? well i do believe there was a 75-yard Willie Parker TD run, as well as a TD pass to Ward.... the refs didn't put those balls in those guys hands and let them score to win the game, the steelers did that themselves....
madshooter
Nascar Connoisseur
wow, i knew that monday and sunday nite games would be national, but never realized they had so many national games played this year, granted for 3 of those weeks i was in PA for thanksgiving and Christmas time, so Pitt is on all the time because of the local mkt. I know in years past , if not for the sunday ticket, i would have to go to a sports bar to watch them play. My apoligies for being misinformed.
spanishshark
Youngest guy on the forum
It's amazing how many times the final scores end up right on the numbers or within 2 or 3 points from the spread. Yeah, coincidence I suppose :36_11_6:
Can't Get In
Member
from a historical perspective you can throw the line out for the SB. Pretty sure the spread has not been a factor in all but five. Therefore, if you like the dog then you should think the dog can win outright (guess that statement could be used for any contest), and bet the ML or alt spread accordingly
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
This is dead on, spread is irrelevant in most cases, it is basically more about pickign the winner and then making your selection. Although a team like the Pats won 2 superbowls vs Eagels and Panthers and won but no COVER on either. Pats were pretty close to winning last year and not covering also.
So overall what we see is the dogs are very strong in the superbowl.
The blowouts IMO happened in the 90's when I believe it was a different ERA. There was 2 dominant TEAMS- 49'ers MOntana Rice and company-
Then Dallas was also dominant in their wins- They just had the best players. It was also more offensive when those blowout wins happened. I believe they scored about 50 points every time they won the superbowl blowouts.
It happened then when the defenses had no answers for whtat they were puttting on the field-
Now there is more parity- How many of the playoff games were real blowouts?
IN the 90's there were athlete mismatches all over the place. Now in the NFL dbs are faster players are more evenly matched. Mostly everyone can run faster and the talent is more even. Then you look at a guy who can dominate like larry Fitzgerald, he dominates some great athletes, can you imagien that guy playing in the 90's era with the montanas, it would never happen, there was never guys that big playing receiver, it is a sign of changing times, to dominate now you have to be a Fitz, Andre JOnson, a freak of nature, fast big strong, good hands to dominate.
Pitts has none of those type of players on offense, on defense they do for sure, Troy P and Harrison and woodlely are like that.
I think the only game was ZONA vs CAROLINA?
PItts vs sandiiego was lopsided but not a blowout, everything bounced in PItts favor to make the score look lopsided.
SO we have the fact that of late there is PARITY, scores are closer.
I would not take the points in a superbowl game vs a team that is high powered and can score a lot. That is why pats were -11 over giants, because they know past results of superbowls were blowouts.
However PItts history is to win and grind the game out, they just want to win and win with defense and makignn the key plays, they often win by a late fgoal.
aplous
Donkey Hater
All of these "Consensus" sites with betting percentages and stuff......blankets, wagerline, this one above that Ive never seen before......look who sponsors those sites. Bodog, Bookmaker, etc.....The sportsbooks sponsor the sites that supposedly give these accurate betting percentages. Most of it is BS I think......yes I look at it time to time, but don't get caught up in it.
If I pick the winner that is all that matters.....I could care less if there is 90% of the "public" on it, or 95%.
Especially in a game of this magnitude......J-Lo is throwing down 200k on this game. No amount of "public" money or public percentage can move this line.
Jasper11
Pretty much a regular
A tough question!
Suppose Obama,a confessed sports nut, should stumble on to this thread and extend a post for you like Treasury or perhaps the Fed where your skills could help the nation, would you accept? Let's assume there is tons of pressure making you feel obligated to pack up and head on down to D.C. and the white house, would you still take the time to post here at CTG? Sure hope so Sammy because a lot of us are sincerely delighted and entertained by your posts :cheers: and we would miss you.
PS Speaking of spreads I took 4-1 underdog Shane Mosley and cleaned up yesterday. Mosley had won 6 out of 7 after a tough loss to Cotto by points and had fought hall of fame fighters and contenders for years. His opponent had 5 losses but had a big win over Cotto and was champ! The odds just seemed to have value to me even though many felt, wrongly, that Mosley was shot. This is a thread about odds so I will leave it at that!
I love this post even though it is somewhat inconsistent with your post of 01-19-2009 at 12:19. No matter, I see that as a big plus! It merely shows the earmarks of a first class mind whose thinking is flexible enough to absorb and assimilate the fast breaking facts. You seem to utilize a methodology similar to what scientists, mathematicians and other advanced disciplines use. I just have one question!
Suppose Obama,a confessed sports nut, should stumble on to this thread and extend a post for you like Treasury or perhaps the Fed where your skills could help the nation, would you accept? Let's assume there is tons of pressure making you feel obligated to pack up and head on down to D.C. and the white house, would you still take the time to post here at CTG? Sure hope so Sammy because a lot of us are sincerely delighted and entertained by your posts :cheers: and we would miss you.
PS Speaking of spreads I took 4-1 underdog Shane Mosley and cleaned up yesterday. Mosley had won 6 out of 7 after a tough loss to Cotto by points and had fought hall of fame fighters and contenders for years. His opponent had 5 losses but had a big win over Cotto and was champ! The odds just seemed to have value to me even though many felt, wrongly, that Mosley was shot. This is a thread about odds so I will leave it at that!
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Gorgolon Lives
The Reverend of CTG
I thought it would show up anywhere between 7 and 10. I really thought it would end up around the 10 mark. The only bet here would be an Arizona ML play. You cannot attribute their recent success to "luck" or "destiny" or any of that. Warner beat the Eagles blitzing scheme, and there's no reason why he can't do the same to Pitt. I'll take the value bet with the better offense.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
I agree ZOna moneyline is a great play-- They can win this game---
The game is a true toss up and can be won by any team----
I think though PItts will find out that they are 0-4 vs playoff teams and good qb's--
PItts has never stopped any teams with playmakers on offense, theier secondary is weak---
Zona is not Cleveland, Cincy or Houston- they have real receivers and is not a team that self destructs and is being qb'd by Robert Fitzpatrick, Ken Dorsey or derek Anderson or Matt Shaub--
0-4 vs playoff teams does not impress me, if the Giants, Tenny, Colts and eagles beat this team, ZONA can as they have more playmakers and are better on offense than all 4 of those teams-
You can say thier D is not that good, but its the superbowl and PITTS offense is not that good either, they looked really good vs baltimore didnt they with their 11 first downs in that game.
looks like more nonsense coming from sammy.....
wait what happened to "Come on MOGO have you ever made a bet in your life? Old form and current form are 2 different things? ZONA struggled at one point where they were not mentall into it." ???
so ARI old form is just thrown out the window and doesn't matter, but PITT old form is what you are going to use for comparison? good thinking sammy.... :36_11_6:
FYI - ARI also lost to 2 of those 4 playoff teams (NYG, PHIL), but by a larger margin than PITT did in the regular season, and were basically never even in those games... add in the fact that ARI also couldn't even beat non-playoff caliber teams and you just keep proving the point that PITT is the much better team and will roll against these clowns... :shake:
wait what happened to "Come on MOGO have you ever made a bet in your life? Old form and current form are 2 different things? ZONA struggled at one point where they were not mentall into it." ???
so ARI old form is just thrown out the window and doesn't matter, but PITT old form is what you are going to use for comparison? good thinking sammy.... :36_11_6:
FYI - ARI also lost to 2 of those 4 playoff teams (NYG, PHIL), but by a larger margin than PITT did in the regular season, and were basically never even in those games... add in the fact that ARI also couldn't even beat non-playoff caliber teams and you just keep proving the point that PITT is the much better team and will roll against these clowns... :shake:
madshooter
Nascar Connoisseur
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
Madshooter and MOGO---
MOGO is not clowns- they are in the superbowl. I like Pitts and hit them many times this year and would have probably made one of the biggest bets in a while over Philly if they played them. REID and MCNABB cant win the big game and they do not have the offense to beat Pitts.
Current form is that PItts has been good all year long, they have been consistently good all year. Zona is peeking at the right time, meaning their offense is peeking but more importantly thier defense is peeking. It is opportunistic and can make sacks vs Pitts.
Pitts may appear to be better MOGO, but I am telling you 100% they are not better vs certain teams. Case in point they lost to them last year in ZONA 21-14-- Matt Leinart was QB, and the Cards are much much better this year than last year.
If you want to know why Pitts will lose, watch the game last year Vs PATS, Pats albeit had a great offense last year, PItts had the same defense intact from this year. You spread out PItts and pick them apart silly. BRADY was able to do that, Pitts cannot and will not stop a wide open offense.
Its all about matchups my friends, Brady has ripped apart Pitts on numerous occasions now doing the exact same thing, throwing all day on this defense.
Madshoooter---
Pitts beat the same team three teams in BALTY, they beat sandiego twice, and that was a decent team. They were at home both times, Sandiego was injured, no mERRIMAN, Tomlinson was out the 2nd time, Gates was hurt also.
Playmakers have beat this offense. Any team with playmakers has beat them. That is fact.
Last week JOE FLACCO was in the red zone twice and he got 2 Pass interference calls in the end zone vs Pitts Db's. That is twice with the Balty average receivers.
I am tellling you PItts cannot cover good playmakers--
If a team understands Pitts defense, they beat them its really that simple. Dallas was winning that game in the 4th qtr until ROMO collapses, I will give pitts credit for the win, because they have playmkaers on defense who make plays to win close games-
If you guys think Pitts is better you are dreaming, absolutely dreaming.
baltimore honestly would be 0-100 vs PItts if they played 100 times.
I know Balty inside out, their approach on offense plays right into PItts hands. They dont have the playmakers to beat PItts---
In the 2nd half of games balty vs PItts, balty longest drive was 6 plays in 3 second halves vs PItts? THey have no playmakers, an aging Todd heap, Derrick Mason who is a possession receiver--
Playmakers beat Pittsburgh--
Madshooter- andre JOhnson is good, but you need a QB, an O line and good play calling to get the ball to him. Other than Andre Houston has no other weapons, so it is easy to take out one receiver--
Zona has Breaston, Bolding, and URBAN who IMO is the wildcard, he can catch and run goog routes, he will beat PItts in that game quite a bit--
There you have it look it up, PITTS does not beat Spread teams, they just dont-
BOTH THE MANNING SISTERS beat them, D MCNABB, and KERRY COLLINS- EVEN ROMO should have beat them late but he collapsed like usual ROMO fashion-
All of pItts wins except for the one vs Sandieog were vs either rookie qb's or average QB's--
THey baet JOE FLACOO 3 times, and RIVERS TWICE-
Sure they beat Gerrard, Jason campbell, Fitxpatrick, Anderson,
This will be a real QB they play now with real receivers, and say what you want playmakers beat this team when given a shot-
If someone is backing PITTS, the way PItts can win this game is they have to completely dominate the ZONA O LINE, their blitzes would have to get to Warner, they would need to basically just pummel ZONA O line--
I dont see that happening cause ZOna O line is good, warner throws the ball very fast at times, sometimes he hangs on to it.
THis is a matchup and you will all see after that ZONA has all the advantages in the game-
Pitts best shot here is the REFS again- They are always on the good side of the refs and get the calls. Last superbowl was stolen away from Seattle and handed to Pittsburgh. Fair enough PItts made some plays in the game- however the offensive Pass interfernece call taking away a SEATTLE td and the phantom holding call on Seattle or i believe they even called hasslebeck for roughing a pitts lineman. Unreal and unbelievable but the refs were all over Pitts in that game.
MOGO is not clowns- they are in the superbowl. I like Pitts and hit them many times this year and would have probably made one of the biggest bets in a while over Philly if they played them. REID and MCNABB cant win the big game and they do not have the offense to beat Pitts.
Current form is that PItts has been good all year long, they have been consistently good all year. Zona is peeking at the right time, meaning their offense is peeking but more importantly thier defense is peeking. It is opportunistic and can make sacks vs Pitts.
Pitts may appear to be better MOGO, but I am telling you 100% they are not better vs certain teams. Case in point they lost to them last year in ZONA 21-14-- Matt Leinart was QB, and the Cards are much much better this year than last year.
If you want to know why Pitts will lose, watch the game last year Vs PATS, Pats albeit had a great offense last year, PItts had the same defense intact from this year. You spread out PItts and pick them apart silly. BRADY was able to do that, Pitts cannot and will not stop a wide open offense.
Its all about matchups my friends, Brady has ripped apart Pitts on numerous occasions now doing the exact same thing, throwing all day on this defense.
Madshoooter---
Pitts beat the same team three teams in BALTY, they beat sandiego twice, and that was a decent team. They were at home both times, Sandiego was injured, no mERRIMAN, Tomlinson was out the 2nd time, Gates was hurt also.
Playmakers have beat this offense. Any team with playmakers has beat them. That is fact.
Last week JOE FLACCO was in the red zone twice and he got 2 Pass interference calls in the end zone vs Pitts Db's. That is twice with the Balty average receivers.
I am tellling you PItts cannot cover good playmakers--
If a team understands Pitts defense, they beat them its really that simple. Dallas was winning that game in the 4th qtr until ROMO collapses, I will give pitts credit for the win, because they have playmkaers on defense who make plays to win close games-
If you guys think Pitts is better you are dreaming, absolutely dreaming.
baltimore honestly would be 0-100 vs PItts if they played 100 times.
I know Balty inside out, their approach on offense plays right into PItts hands. They dont have the playmakers to beat PItts---
In the 2nd half of games balty vs PItts, balty longest drive was 6 plays in 3 second halves vs PItts? THey have no playmakers, an aging Todd heap, Derrick Mason who is a possession receiver--
Playmakers beat Pittsburgh--
Madshooter- andre JOhnson is good, but you need a QB, an O line and good play calling to get the ball to him. Other than Andre Houston has no other weapons, so it is easy to take out one receiver--
Zona has Breaston, Bolding, and URBAN who IMO is the wildcard, he can catch and run goog routes, he will beat PItts in that game quite a bit--
There you have it look it up, PITTS does not beat Spread teams, they just dont-
BOTH THE MANNING SISTERS beat them, D MCNABB, and KERRY COLLINS- EVEN ROMO should have beat them late but he collapsed like usual ROMO fashion-
All of pItts wins except for the one vs Sandieog were vs either rookie qb's or average QB's--
THey baet JOE FLACOO 3 times, and RIVERS TWICE-
Sure they beat Gerrard, Jason campbell, Fitxpatrick, Anderson,
This will be a real QB they play now with real receivers, and say what you want playmakers beat this team when given a shot-
If someone is backing PITTS, the way PItts can win this game is they have to completely dominate the ZONA O LINE, their blitzes would have to get to Warner, they would need to basically just pummel ZONA O line--
I dont see that happening cause ZOna O line is good, warner throws the ball very fast at times, sometimes he hangs on to it.
THis is a matchup and you will all see after that ZONA has all the advantages in the game-
Pitts best shot here is the REFS again- They are always on the good side of the refs and get the calls. Last superbowl was stolen away from Seattle and handed to Pittsburgh. Fair enough PItts made some plays in the game- however the offensive Pass interfernece call taking away a SEATTLE td and the phantom holding call on Seattle or i believe they even called hasslebeck for roughing a pitts lineman. Unreal and unbelievable but the refs were all over Pitts in that game.
madshooter
Nascar Connoisseur
i have to disagree with you on houston, they are putting together a solid young team that should make a playoff run next year. You have 1 stud wr in johnson and a nice compliment wr in Kevin Walter and a very good te in owen Daniels. Running game is pretty solid too with a young stud in Steve Slatoon. matt schuab isn't too bad himself either, injuries have hurt him parts of the last 2 seasons, when he was playing before getting hurt he was putting up nice numbers.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
Madshooter I love that walters guy and daniles they are good players.
PItts knows Houston very well in terms of personnel. Houston also scored some point vs PItts if I am not mistaken.
Houston is a dangerous team, with KUBIAK, they can be the next zona on offense-
I think though Zona is better, because of Boldin, Breaston, Urban, and Warner is better than SHAUB-
You are right houston has a good receving core, and good running back in slaton, but sometimes you need the trigger man the QB to get the ball to them-
I like Shaub but he is young, he is not at warners level--
I was just trying to state the obvious that PItts does not do as well vs playmakers and offenses that spread them out--
Pats with Brady not only beat this pitts tea, they pummeled them every year--
Also last year Zona and pats beat them, and COlts beat them this year, all 3 teams let me guess hmmmm they spread PITTS OUT--
SPread Pitts out sideline to sideline and you can baet them--
Any good DEFENSE will cheat to the middle of the field- its fact, a good D never wants to be spread out, because players are exposed then. You think Pitts would like TROY Palomulu to line up on a Zona receiver like Boldin in this game?
NO CHANCE IN HELL- TROY P could probably shut down BOLDIN, but they need him to protect all the other weak PItts DB's--
Look at the INT TROY P MADE vs Balty- He is free roving, he is not covering anyone, just reading the QB's eyes--
He will not be able to stand 15 yards off the ball and read Warners eyes and break on the ball--
TROY P is a free rover, he will be forced into covering receivers, which is perfect cause it takes him away from helping the other db's in this game--
TROY P IMO is about 75% of this secondary, his great play covers everyone else up.
PItts knows Houston very well in terms of personnel. Houston also scored some point vs PItts if I am not mistaken.
Houston is a dangerous team, with KUBIAK, they can be the next zona on offense-
I think though Zona is better, because of Boldin, Breaston, Urban, and Warner is better than SHAUB-
You are right houston has a good receving core, and good running back in slaton, but sometimes you need the trigger man the QB to get the ball to them-
I like Shaub but he is young, he is not at warners level--
I was just trying to state the obvious that PItts does not do as well vs playmakers and offenses that spread them out--
Pats with Brady not only beat this pitts tea, they pummeled them every year--
Also last year Zona and pats beat them, and COlts beat them this year, all 3 teams let me guess hmmmm they spread PITTS OUT--
SPread Pitts out sideline to sideline and you can baet them--
Any good DEFENSE will cheat to the middle of the field- its fact, a good D never wants to be spread out, because players are exposed then. You think Pitts would like TROY Palomulu to line up on a Zona receiver like Boldin in this game?
NO CHANCE IN HELL- TROY P could probably shut down BOLDIN, but they need him to protect all the other weak PItts DB's--
Look at the INT TROY P MADE vs Balty- He is free roving, he is not covering anyone, just reading the QB's eyes--
He will not be able to stand 15 yards off the ball and read Warners eyes and break on the ball--
TROY P is a free rover, he will be forced into covering receivers, which is perfect cause it takes him away from helping the other db's in this game--
TROY P IMO is about 75% of this secondary, his great play covers everyone else up.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
A great defense works TOGETHER---
PItts works together probably better than any team in the NFL-- On defense they talk and communicate, TROY P is a disruptive force and can stop plays by himself-
However when a team that spreads them out like ZONA, what happens is they make them play single and alone-- This is the KEY- force Ike Taylor, Townsend, Yag to play on their own vs Zona receivers.
ALl the PItts players rely on the pass rush or TROY P or Clark to make a big hit.
The only weak area of Pitts is the pass defense- Tehy are very vulnerable there-
Once you make them play as individuals you beat them. Pats smoke them with Brady, because he makes them all play man to man coverage and his accuracy is too good vs PItts-
PItts works together probably better than any team in the NFL-- On defense they talk and communicate, TROY P is a disruptive force and can stop plays by himself-
However when a team that spreads them out like ZONA, what happens is they make them play single and alone-- This is the KEY- force Ike Taylor, Townsend, Yag to play on their own vs Zona receivers.
ALl the PItts players rely on the pass rush or TROY P or Clark to make a big hit.
The only weak area of Pitts is the pass defense- Tehy are very vulnerable there-
Once you make them play as individuals you beat them. Pats smoke them with Brady, because he makes them all play man to man coverage and his accuracy is too good vs PItts-
you just write a lot and make no sense .... i can't believe somebody really has this much free time to write all that you do.... if anybody actually reads what you write and believes even 10% of what you "think" they would be completely lost in this world...
case in point is something you just throw in the middle of your ramble:
If you guys think Pitts is better you are dreaming, absolutely dreaming.
:36_11_6: :36_11_6: :36_11_6: a 14-4 record proves they are better!
i'm not even going to TRY to argue here i'm done, cuz like i said before you'll have some 1000 word response that continues to make no sense.... it's funny you using comparisons of LAST YEARS PITT team vs. ARI, and NE beating them LAST YEAR? ummm isn't thats all in the past? didn't ARI lose BAD in the past too? couldn't it be said that ARI lost to so-and-so and whoever last year and PITT beat so-and-so last year so obiovusly they are better.....
not to be a dick (b/c we are all here to beat the bookies, not each other), but i really hope you put a lot of money aganist PITT and get taken to the cleaners on this one sammy.... :shake:
case in point is something you just throw in the middle of your ramble:
If you guys think Pitts is better you are dreaming, absolutely dreaming.
:36_11_6: :36_11_6: :36_11_6: a 14-4 record proves they are better!
i'm not even going to TRY to argue here i'm done, cuz like i said before you'll have some 1000 word response that continues to make no sense.... it's funny you using comparisons of LAST YEARS PITT team vs. ARI, and NE beating them LAST YEAR? ummm isn't thats all in the past? didn't ARI lose BAD in the past too? couldn't it be said that ARI lost to so-and-so and whoever last year and PITT beat so-and-so last year so obiovusly they are better.....
not to be a dick (b/c we are all here to beat the bookies, not each other), but i really hope you put a lot of money aganist PITT and get taken to the cleaners on this one sammy.... :shake:
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
My friend it will the bettor who lays the points that gets taken to the cleaners--
What I have looked at is legit matchups and how the game will play out and how the teams match out--
What the PItts bettors and BIASED FANS and bashers have looked at is this-
-ZOna is not as good, they beat no one-
-Zona could have lost to Philly-
-Zona was shit at the end of the year-
-Tracking percentages scams- oh line is not moving even though so many are on zona
-Zona is smoke and mirros-
-Joe public is all over zona-
-Pitts is tougher-
-Zona is weaker
-everyone is on zona
-Pitts was 14-4
-Pitts had the hardest schedule-
-Pitts is favored and must be better--
Look at the game, not the past, even though ZOna won 21-14 last year I dont really put anything into that, pitts cuold win 49-0 or 3-0 but Zona could win 49-0 or 3-0-
last years match is last years match, it is of some importance but not too much in reality--
What no one can do, is give me an argument on how this PItts overrated D can stop a passing attack---
PRove to me with real football knowledge why this happened--
-Pitts 0-4 vs playoff teams-
-Pitts 0-3 last 3 games vs spread offenses-
-Constant blowouts by Pats who threw on every down vs them-
-How a supposed GREAT defense lost to 4 playoff teams, almost 5 if Dallas didnt destruct.
-How a Defensive team that plays scared and very CONSERVATIVE is all of a sudden scoring 35 points?
-How a defense that played vs pathetic Qb's this year- Fitzpatrick, Campbell, Dorsey, Anderson, ROOKIE FLACCO 3 times, Sage the Rage- They looked good vs shit QB's-
-How a team outside of their division was not impressive at all-
-How this same Pitts team couldnt beat a DRUNK immature matt leinart last year at QB for ZONA?
-How a team with No O Line is laying -7 points
-How a team with a 45 year old punter with no LEG at all-
-How a team that's Character is to win by a few points in tight games-
MOGO you may know your MMA, but your football knowledge is very mediocre bro. You need to understand the GAME. I know the game, thats why I win in the game.
It is what it is, provide me with a checklist and provide with me FACTS that support PItts laying -7, and prove that PItts can win this game.
I have provided enough facts that prove that this game is a TOSS UP-
Besided being a die hard Steelers fan and saying that my writeups are bullshit, I dont see anyone even attempting to provide a writeup on the Steelers except for 3rd and LONG-
So provide the writeup and supporting facts that provide a case of why steelers will win, other than i am steelers fan and they will blow them out.
A real amateur thing is to start predicting blowouts, without any providing any proof, show me how you think this game will be won by pITTS? I am interested to see what you can come up with.
What I have looked at is legit matchups and how the game will play out and how the teams match out--
What the PItts bettors and BIASED FANS and bashers have looked at is this-
-ZOna is not as good, they beat no one-
-Zona could have lost to Philly-
-Zona was shit at the end of the year-
-Tracking percentages scams- oh line is not moving even though so many are on zona
-Zona is smoke and mirros-
-Joe public is all over zona-
-Pitts is tougher-
-Zona is weaker
-everyone is on zona
-Pitts was 14-4
-Pitts had the hardest schedule-
-Pitts is favored and must be better--
Look at the game, not the past, even though ZOna won 21-14 last year I dont really put anything into that, pitts cuold win 49-0 or 3-0 but Zona could win 49-0 or 3-0-
last years match is last years match, it is of some importance but not too much in reality--
What no one can do, is give me an argument on how this PItts overrated D can stop a passing attack---
PRove to me with real football knowledge why this happened--
-Pitts 0-4 vs playoff teams-
-Pitts 0-3 last 3 games vs spread offenses-
-Constant blowouts by Pats who threw on every down vs them-
-How a supposed GREAT defense lost to 4 playoff teams, almost 5 if Dallas didnt destruct.
-How a Defensive team that plays scared and very CONSERVATIVE is all of a sudden scoring 35 points?
-How a defense that played vs pathetic Qb's this year- Fitzpatrick, Campbell, Dorsey, Anderson, ROOKIE FLACCO 3 times, Sage the Rage- They looked good vs shit QB's-
-How a team outside of their division was not impressive at all-
-How this same Pitts team couldnt beat a DRUNK immature matt leinart last year at QB for ZONA?
-How a team with No O Line is laying -7 points
-How a team with a 45 year old punter with no LEG at all-
-How a team that's Character is to win by a few points in tight games-
MOGO you may know your MMA, but your football knowledge is very mediocre bro. You need to understand the GAME. I know the game, thats why I win in the game.
It is what it is, provide me with a checklist and provide with me FACTS that support PItts laying -7, and prove that PItts can win this game.
I have provided enough facts that prove that this game is a TOSS UP-
Besided being a die hard Steelers fan and saying that my writeups are bullshit, I dont see anyone even attempting to provide a writeup on the Steelers except for 3rd and LONG-
So provide the writeup and supporting facts that provide a case of why steelers will win, other than i am steelers fan and they will blow them out.
A real amateur thing is to start predicting blowouts, without any providing any proof, show me how you think this game will be won by pITTS? I am interested to see what you can come up with.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
Mogo how about this-- Please explain this to me?
Pitts is 0-4 vs eagels, Giants, tenny and COlts--
WIns over balty 3 times and Sandiego twice---
THe 3 wins over Balty were by 3, 4, and 9 points(late INT RETURN FOR TD)
THe 2 wins over Sandieog were by 1 point and by 14 points---
You have a total of 9 games vs playoff teams--
They have covered a spread of -7 twice and one was a lucky Td INT return last game-
So now you see why they are favored by -7- They are favored by -7 because of steelers fans like yourself who refuse to see that the Steelers are overrated #1 and a team that squeeks out wins #2 and a team that is beatable. If I remember correct baltimore had the ball late with a shot to win that game, and they were so badly injured also.
Steelers are the FERRARRI's of the NFL, everyone loves them, this game is a PICKEM, that is the truth--
It is people who love the Steelers so much, that they make stupid comments about hoping I get taken to the cleaners? First of all I dont get taken to the cleaners, i am too smart for that. Second of all your allegiance to your team makes you say harsh comments like that, because I know you dont want anyone to lose big including myself-
Nothing personal just business, and cards are getting this cover buddy, and I think they will be in a good position to knock the steelers off.
Pitts is 0-4 vs eagels, Giants, tenny and COlts--
WIns over balty 3 times and Sandiego twice---
THe 3 wins over Balty were by 3, 4, and 9 points(late INT RETURN FOR TD)
THe 2 wins over Sandieog were by 1 point and by 14 points---
You have a total of 9 games vs playoff teams--
They have covered a spread of -7 twice and one was a lucky Td INT return last game-
So now you see why they are favored by -7- They are favored by -7 because of steelers fans like yourself who refuse to see that the Steelers are overrated #1 and a team that squeeks out wins #2 and a team that is beatable. If I remember correct baltimore had the ball late with a shot to win that game, and they were so badly injured also.
Steelers are the FERRARRI's of the NFL, everyone loves them, this game is a PICKEM, that is the truth--
It is people who love the Steelers so much, that they make stupid comments about hoping I get taken to the cleaners? First of all I dont get taken to the cleaners, i am too smart for that. Second of all your allegiance to your team makes you say harsh comments like that, because I know you dont want anyone to lose big including myself-
Nothing personal just business, and cards are getting this cover buddy, and I think they will be in a good position to knock the steelers off.
all the proof you need will come on SUNDAY when the game is played out and ARI is left thinking wtf just happened....
my "writeup" will not make a difference in how the game is played or the outcome, and i surely don't need to write a 1000 word essay to back it up... especially since i may not even play the -7 line (i have a pending future on PITT just to win)....
my "writeup" will not make a difference in how the game is played or the outcome, and i surely don't need to write a 1000 word essay to back it up... especially since i may not even play the -7 line (i have a pending future on PITT just to win)....
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
You want further proof offense beats Defense every time--
Colts were 2-0 vs Baltimore and Pitts this year- Both defenses are similar--
Manning said after the Indy game they spread out Baltimore and attacked them and made them play the entire field. Manning said it was a good matchup for Indy in that game-
It is what it is, its all about matchups--
If Matt Ryan or delhomme or Mcnabb was in the Superbowl i would not back them, because steelers would eat them up, they are all qb's that can struggle bigtime--
however Warner has been in 2 superbowls, he is playing good enough now that I dont think he struggles, he will play a good game, he has played great football the last 3 weeks, if he plays like he has its an easy cover for pitts.
Colts were 2-0 vs Baltimore and Pitts this year- Both defenses are similar--
Manning said after the Indy game they spread out Baltimore and attacked them and made them play the entire field. Manning said it was a good matchup for Indy in that game-
It is what it is, its all about matchups--
If Matt Ryan or delhomme or Mcnabb was in the Superbowl i would not back them, because steelers would eat them up, they are all qb's that can struggle bigtime--
however Warner has been in 2 superbowls, he is playing good enough now that I dont think he struggles, he will play a good game, he has played great football the last 3 weeks, if he plays like he has its an easy cover for pitts.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
that is better than the -7 line, i guess you can always hedge out of your bet at halftime once zona is leading at halftime which I think they will be:cheers:
ok i will retract my statement about being taken to the cleaners, since it can be perceived as a "bashing" remark....
i'll rephrase it a little by saying i hope you bet big on ARI and they lose, that way you'll learn a lesson that you'll remember for the rest of your life - never to bet against the city of champions when it matters the most, in the Super Bowl.... :shake:
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
I have a 6 team parlay closed up with zona at +7.5--- final game--
I also am going to make this parlay buddy and it pays like 13 to 1 odds--
Bj penn to win inside distance at +300 and zona moneyline +245--
that his how I do it, start some parlays and finish it off with a game I like, I bet bigger on Tennis, LIVe betting NBA and other sports and moneyline parlays--
I dont bet big on any one game, thats what Vegas wants you to do, SLOW and stead wins the race---
ALso there is always another BUS, so no need to crush any one game.
I also am going to make this parlay buddy and it pays like 13 to 1 odds--
Bj penn to win inside distance at +300 and zona moneyline +245--
that his how I do it, start some parlays and finish it off with a game I like, I bet bigger on Tennis, LIVe betting NBA and other sports and moneyline parlays--
I dont bet big on any one game, thats what Vegas wants you to do, SLOW and stead wins the race---
ALso there is always another BUS, so no need to crush any one game.
atolunch
Pretty much a regular
Just out of curiosity, why do you reference the Steelers multiple times, as 0-4 vs playoff teams. (In reality, they are 3-4)
But the fact that AZ is 1-4 vs playoff teams (the lone win vs a weak MIA team week 2, and not counting BLOWOUT losses to near playoff teams NYJ and NE) doesn't seem to matter??
But the fact that AZ is 1-4 vs playoff teams (the lone win vs a weak MIA team week 2, and not counting BLOWOUT losses to near playoff teams NYJ and NE) doesn't seem to matter??
rawm
Active Member
the number movement from 7 to 6.5 was a significant one. the books messed around this season with letting the big percentage win a few more times than normal, but in the post season they moved their lines the way they wanted to get more action on one side and it seemed to pay off for them. why not do the same for the super bowl?
this big number (7) seems to scare only half of us, and now that the line has moved to 6.5 im sure its attracting more on the steelers especially if you liked steelers to begin with. most players are sold on what who they think is gonna win from the begining, liking them at 7 and now the move to 6.5 should only entice bettors to like their play or love their play even more.
on another note: if arizona played the titans and the ravens, im sure their defensive numbers would have been outstanding too.
this big number (7) seems to scare only half of us, and now that the line has moved to 6.5 im sure its attracting more on the steelers especially if you liked steelers to begin with. most players are sold on what who they think is gonna win from the begining, liking them at 7 and now the move to 6.5 should only entice bettors to like their play or love their play even more.
on another note: if arizona played the titans and the ravens, im sure their defensive numbers would have been outstanding too.
aplous
Donkey Hater
:36_11_6:
Ya.....Zona played some real powerhouse offenses all right.
SF x2
Seattle x2
Rams x2
That right there is enough to make one laugh. Other juggernauts they faced:
Buffalo
Miami
Jets......Favre threw for 5 TD's on them....lol
Skins
Taint Jackson
Not saying Pitt covers, but to try and discredit Pitt's D numbers b/c of their schedule is comical.
Sammy Meatballs
Sammy Meatballs? Never Heard of Her
Line should have been a pickem as I said, game was a complete crapshoot---
They trapped all the PItts money with making the -7 line, they have no clue who will win this game--
It was uncappable at the end, a 50-50% chance, and Pitts happened to win the game, but no way they were going to cover this game, as the line of PICK or -3 pitts was correct--
Oh well tough loss for ZONA moneyliners, hit the spread but not happy at all, but PItts deserved the win, they played better plain and simple.
They trapped all the PItts money with making the -7 line, they have no clue who will win this game--
It was uncappable at the end, a 50-50% chance, and Pitts happened to win the game, but no way they were going to cover this game, as the line of PICK or -3 pitts was correct--
Oh well tough loss for ZONA moneyliners, hit the spread but not happy at all, but PItts deserved the win, they played better plain and simple.
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