And can jimmy actually lead? Chicago fan here. Love him, but still wonder. And how good is Wiggins? He was atrocious on defense.
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lol dumbass
rambler882
Head of the Justin Fields Fan Club
He ended up naming jeff teague...
brewers888
Chicken Little
They don't want to win. They are doing everything they can to go 0-16.
Analytics baby, analytics.
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Chicken Little
This has been going on for years.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Jimmy not a leader as evidenced by his time in Chicago.
When Rondo is calling you out for your leadership skills, you know there's an issue.
Loving my browns season under bet
rambler882
Head of the Justin Fields Fan Club
Coaches, players do not pmay to lose on purpose.
brewers888
Chicken Little
Get a QB with the top overall pick and get a good coach and they are set. Much better plan than trying to win with a journeyman like McCown.
rambler882
Head of the Justin Fields Fan Club
Same. Chi bulls fan here. Loved butler but he wore me thin by end. Also had people close to org that said butler openly said he hated his teammates.
brewers888
Chicken Little
My Jets are certainly proving that. They are doing a great job of fucking up their future by winning with McCown.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Problem is the top projected QB's coming through are trash.
They need to find a diamond in the rough like Dak.
They purposely withhold effort tho due to losing culture absence of expectation and pretty paycheck nonetheless
You trust the Browns to find a diamond? No way. Have to take darnold. Or even Barkley. Wonder how high he will go. Special player.
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Chicken Little
I completely disagree. Darnold and Rosen are both great prospects. I also like the upside of Josh Allen though he is the ultimate high risk/ high reward pick. If the Jets ended up with Allen I would be very happy even though I wanted 0-16 for Darnold.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
No I don't. Browns will draft Darnold (kid overrated, btw) and he'll be out of the league in 2 years.
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Chicken Little
I would bet the Giants completely fall apart now and won't even be competitive most weeks.
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
easy to hate your teammates when you are losing I suppose.
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Chicken Little
Never draft a rb over a potential franchise QB.
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
Overall, I'm not thrilled with Wiggins. He stepped up big time last year on offense, but his defense sucks. He doesn't have that killer instinct at the end of games either.
Say what you want about Levine, but he wanted the ball in crunch time. He's not nearly as skilled as Wiggins tho.
Major fade material. Week 17 betting strategy applied early
Tell that to the jaguars. While I agree for the most part, there are still some special backs out there.
Dsn150
Disinformation Expert
They'd have more success recreating 2liveCrew-based on the previous photo-
Only question is who will play Luther?
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Chicken Little
You have no idea how bad it is for smart Jets fans to see the Giants potentially in position to land a top 5 pick while we win meaningless games.
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Chicken Little
When was the last time anyone said team X won the Super Bowl because of a rb. Without a QB it's extremely difficult to win championships.
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Chicken Little
As good as Fournette is they made a mistake not picking Watson. The Jags defense is really good but their upside is extremely limited with Bortles.
Because of D and a good running back. But yea you're right. Especially not in powder puff NFL. KJ while drunk could hit as hard as these guys are allowed to
Bortles 2015 was so good tho. I get the hope for a return to that and wanting to have a rb game to help him
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Chicken Little
I admit I wanted the Jets to pass on Watson to focus on going 0-16 and getting Darnold or Rosen but I regret it now. Jamal Adams looks pretty solid but safety is not an impact position.
brewers888
Chicken Little
You are never winning anything with Bortles.
We have already smashed two division champs this year. We just need Bortles to be a Trent Dilfer or whoever won the Bucs superbowl under Gruden and we can go 9-7 and maybe win the South
brewers888
Chicken Little
You lost to the Jets and that disqualifies you from playoff discussion. Yeah I am that bitter.
Probably right, however, Fournette a game changer. They want to play smash mouth football. I like the formula so far.
Parity
Fournette is damn good, numbers lie. 8 in the box
brewers888
Chicken Little
That can only take you so far when your qb is trash. It's conceivable that they can sneak into the playoffs but are they really any sort of threat with Bortles.
Now imagine if Watson is really this good ( I need to see a lot more before I agree that he is). Between him and the Jags defense you have a legit contender in the AFC.
Like the last time we made the playoffs with David Garrard its the exact same formula. But yea I agree, ultimately Bortles will need to go for a qb who isn't a liability
brewers888
Chicken Little
I apologize for ruining this thread with my Jets anger but I just can't help myself.
Thats ok we're already used to you ruining other threads
Jk!!! 
brewers888
Chicken Little
Garrard was much better than Bortles.
Fair enough but not the receiving corps. So many busts wilford williams blackmon jones.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
Blackmon was a stud. Just couldn't lay off the drugs
He's probably lighting a blunt with Johnny Manziel and Jimmy Smith (old Jags WR) as we speak...
