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963Oakland AthleticsC. Irvin -L+1½
-150		+145O 8
-105
964Cleveland GuardiansC. Quantrill -R-1½
+130		-157U 8
-115
01:35 PM
953Pittsburgh PiratesJ. Quintana -L+1½
+100		+218O 9
+100
954Atlanta BravesK. Wright -R-1½
-120		-243U 9
-120
01:40 PM
965Toronto Blue JaysR. Stripling -R-1½
+100		-145O 8½
-105
966Detroit TigersT. Skubal -L+1½
-120		+134U 8½
-115
02:10 PM
967Texas RangersJ. Gray -R+1½
-155		+140O 8
-125
968Chicago White SoxM. Kopech -R-1½
+135		-152U 8
+105
02:10 PM
969Baltimore OriolesD. Kremer -R+1½
-180		+108O 9½
-120
970Kansas City RoyalsB. Keller -R-1½
+160		-118U 9½
+100
02:10 PM
971Tampa Bay RaysJ. Springs -L-1½
+135		-118O 8½
-115
972Minnesota TwinsC. Sands -R+1½
-155		+108U 8½
-105
02:10 PM
977Miami MarlinsE. Cabrera -R+1½
-115		+188O 7½
-110
978Houston AstrosJ. Verlander -R-1½
-105		-205U 7½
-110
02:15 PM
957Cincinnati RedsG. Ashcraft -R+1½
-140		+157O 8
-125
958St. Louis CardinalsD. Hudson -R-1½
+120		-171U 8
+105
04:05 PM
959Los Angeles DodgersJ. Urias -L-1½
+135		-125O 8
-120
960San Francisco GiantsC. Rodon -L+1½
-155		+115U 8
+100
04:10 PM
961Colorado RockiesG. Marquez -R+1½
-120		+168O 8½
+100
962San Diego PadresB. Snell -L-1½
+100		-183U 8½
-120
 
Not really a great card, maybe there some hidden gems if I do a bunch of work but just at 1st glance I really don’t see a lot.

Tex/cws Ff under looks decent, if I liked ump more I’d love it. I’ll still prob play it cause I think both pitches should have pretty good starts vs these lineups.

Cards feel overpriced to me but they def hold a big edge late in games so maybe not. I like Ashcraft tho, it tempting to play him Ff, I fully expect cards to struggle against another hard throwing righty they never seen. How good will hudson be? Who knows, he has kept his walks in check 2 games in a row, does that mean he finding his control or he bout to have another one his 4-5 walk games? Beats me. His k/walk ratio much better at night than day throughout career, He prob be able to pitch around them without too much damage against this lineup tho. Matter a fact he has insane number vs reds so I suppose this another 1st 5 under if anything.
 
2daBank said:
Not really a great card, maybe there some hidden gems if I do a bunch of work but just at 1st glance I really don’t see a lot.

Tex/cws Ff under looks decent, if I liked ump more I’d love it. I’ll still prob play it cause I think both pitches should have pretty good starts vs these lineups.

Cards feel overpriced to me but they def hold a big edge late in games so maybe not. I like Ashcraft tho, it tempting to play him Ff, I fully expect cards to struggle against another hard throwing righty they never seen. How good will hudson be? Who knows, he has kept his walks in check 2 games in a row, does that mean he finding his control or he bout to have another one his 4-5 walk games? Beats me. His k/walk ratio much better at night than day throughout career, He prob be able to pitch around them without too much damage against this lineup tho. Matter a fact he has insane number vs reds so I suppose this another 1st 5 under if anything.
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Nice call on Phillies yesterday
 
Inspekdah said:
Nice call on Phillies yesterday
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I’m way prouder of the props and reds Ff, shouldn’t ne that hard to pick a -240 fav! But thanks! Somehow I’m usually no better at favs than dogs but I don’t venture up in the -200s real often. I think Phillies plenty safe to play again, I don’t love Suarez but just riding the streak. I said they would sweep and nothing has changed.
 
Not that I hate Suarez, some ppl I respect love him, I’m just not nearly as high on him as those ppl. He too damn inconsistent for my taste to speak of him as a front the rotation kinda guy.
 
The over in Philly has some 1st glance appeal but I didn’t dive in any deeper after deciding Phillies ml just be used in the sure to lose lotto ticket parlay and then paired up with any prop I like with too much juice.
 
2daBank said:
Not really a great card, maybe there some hidden gems if I do a bunch of work but just at 1st glance I really don’t see a lot.

Tex/cws Ff under looks decent, if I liked ump more I’d love it. I’ll still prob play it cause I think both pitches should have pretty good starts vs these lineups.

Cards feel overpriced to me but they def hold a big edge late in games so maybe not. I like Ashcraft tho, it tempting to play him Ff, I fully expect cards to struggle against another hard throwing righty they never seen. How good will hudson be? Who knows, he has kept his walks in check 2 games in a row, does that mean he finding his control or he bout to have another one his 4-5 walk games? Beats me. His k/walk ratio much better at night than day throughout career, He prob be able to pitch around them without too much damage against this lineup tho. Matter a fact he has insane number vs reds so I suppose this another 1st 5 under if anything.
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Morning, Bank. Cuzzi behind plate in StL had me thinking under. Only thing I don't love is weather (humid with 6-8 mph breeze out to CF so if guys connect ball could fly but as you note, not so sure they'll barrel up many vs Ashcraft and Hudson).
 
Damn. I didn’t even look at what the refs/cards Ff under was, I assumed it was 4 but when I saw a 4.5 my eyes lit up so I added another Hundo to what I was planning on! Then it went down to 4 right after that so couldn’t get the 4.5 as part any parlays. Not like it a huge deal but scoring 4 runs still being a win is pretty sweet!! I could def see a 2-2 or 3-1 1st 5, I mean If Hudson continues having good control im not sure reds score any, If he reverts back to walking bunch of guys he could give up 2-3 runs. I could see folks not buying Ashcradt era, obviously it not gonna stay that low all season but after actually watching him pitch I think he gonna be tough for cards at least a few times thru lineup.

I see cards price has come way down to much closer to where I woulda put it. Games that have more than 20 cent price changes scare me tho. 4-5 years ago I stopped doing overnight lines cause i swear the games I beat close by that much rarely turned out good! I know there ppl who would say I’m off my rocker saying this as beating the line should be a great thing long term and while that true it doesn’t change the fact my record when doing so by 20 cents or more was way worse than rest my plays! Books not stupid, if I can pick out majority of games lthe open appears Off and gonna get bet by certain group of ppl I have no doubt they know this more accurately than I do!
 
BiffTFinancial said:
Morning, Bank. Cuzzi behind plate in StL had me thinking under. Only thing I don't love is weather (humid with 6-8 mph breeze out to CF so if guys connect ball could fly but as you note, not so sure they'll barrel up many vs Ashcraft and Hudson).
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It has def got real summer time hot real fast here last couple days. Ball def gonna carry more these next couple weeks (rest of summer). Hudson avoids barrels and keeps it on ground anyways so not too worried bout him, especially wit good ump. Honestly I didn’t look at ashcraft gb/f but I’d think that power cutter be touch fo barrel., Def prefer 1st 5, Don’t want the pens of the back end of either guys start. Early on think they both cruise thru lineups the 1st time.
 
Not like Busch plays small ever, just not quite as big now that the redic heat and humidity here! At the moment there not much sun out today, no idea if that has any effect tho? It gonna be so gross this week I just had guy at casino I see all the time amd throw some plays ask me if i wanted couple tickets for cards gm 2marro., I saw it was pirates and kmiwokg how gross it gonna be I passed them up, lol.
 
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BiffTFinancial said:
Morning, Bank. Cuzzi behind plate in StL had me thinking under. Only thing I don't love is weather (humid with 6-8 mph breeze out to CF so if guys connect ball could fly but as you note, not so sure they'll barrel up many vs Ashcraft and Hudson).
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What else you looking at? Anything w tribe? I havnt messed w that series much other than losing McKenzie over 18.5 outs the other day, took him way more pitches than normal to get thru 6. Since then I havnt liked prices of pitching matchups, woulda been nice to get Beibs vs A’s offense but no such luck.
 
KJ said:
You'd have put more effort in trying than you'd get out of it
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Yea, that crossed my mid, and hell I passed them up for free so prob a tough sell, he probably tried selling them before offering to me for free. Lol. All and all just saying thanks but no thanks was the play, lol.
 
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2daBank said:
What else you looking at? Anything w tribe? I havnt messed w that series much other than losing McKenzie over 18.5 outs the other day, took him way more pitches than normal to get thru 6. Since then I havnt liked prices of pitching matchups, woulda been nice to get Beibs vs A’s offense but no such luck.
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Tribe game was early today so didn't have time to get to that one. Right now, I'm going:
Reds/Cards FF under 4 (-105)
O's/Royals over 10 (-103)
Fish/Stros FF under 4 (-112)
Dbacks/Phils over 9' (-108)
Trying to nail down a two-teamer. Initially started thinking I'd go 2 of 3 with Phils/Yanks/Braves but not loving Phils today (over and Phils don't correlate) and can't put my finger on why I'm feeling hesitant on Yanks.
 
Not like they end up free either. Gotta pay 20-30 bucks to park, obviously I’m gonna drink a beer or 4, if I took the old lady she would want to get fed!! Freaking lost my free parking plug cause my partner who’s family owned “eat rite” our whole lives sold it a few years back, so that sucks. Guess I coulda took them and invited my brother, acted like I paid for him so make him cover all that shit!! Lol. I just have no desire sitting in a pool of my own sweat for 3 hours!
 
BiffTFinancial said:
Tribe game was early today so didn't have time to get to that one. Right now, I'm going:
Reds/Cards FF under 4 (-105)
O's/Royals over 10 (-103)
Fish/Stros FF under 4 (-112)
Dbacks/Phils over 9' (-108)
Trying to nail down a two-teamer. Initially started thinking I'd go 2 of 3 with Phils/Yanks/Braves but not loving Phils today (over and Phils don't correlate) and can't put my finger on why I'm feeling hesitant on Yanks.
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Oh yea. I forgot I heard it playing at casino while I was there, lol.

I think you be good with Phils. I used them in few 2 teamers. No clue how much snakes score so I left over alone also. Gotta think Phillies offense rakes tho; opener for snakes and I don’t think they have enough solid pen arms to keep a really hot offense down. Only thing I played in yanks game was tallion over 4.5 k’s and I did not cap real well, just in my lotto ticket parlay. I wasn’t in mood to dig in with whole card, I took last night off for old lady and didn’t have the energy (drugs) to do it this morning, lol.

I’m on the 2 Ff unders I mentioned above, phils ml, Urias over 17.5 outs in a 4 team RR. The rest were just going down list at casino and throwing them in couple lotto tickets: my weekend was really good so wasn’t too worried bout today. Gl brotha
 
I think Jon gray props be solid. K’s or total outs. He should do well vs cws, they have scored bunch of runs last 2-3 games, that sure to come screeching to a halt! Mfers scored 9-8-9 last 3 and still lost 2 of them, totally fucking me yesterday! 9 damn runs with giolito starting and they lose? TRL needs to go, I would try something!
 
2daBank said:
Oh yea. I forgot I heard it playing at casino while I was there, lol.

I think you be good with Phils. I used them in few 2 teamers. No clue how much snakes score so I left over alone also. Gotta think Phillies offense rakes tho; opener for snakes and I don’t think they have enough solid pen arms to keep a really hot offense down. Only thing I played in yanks game was tallion over 4.5 k’s and I did not cap real well, just in my lotto ticket parlay. I wasn’t in mood to dig in with whole card, I took last night off for old lady and didn’t have the energy (drugs) to do it this morning, lol.

I’m on the 2 Ff unders I mentioned above, phils ml, Urias over 17.5 outs in a 4 team RR. The rest were just going down list at casino and throwing them in couple lotto tickets: my weekend was really good so wasn’t too worried bout today. Gl brotha
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Thanks brotha, BOL to you, have a great day.
 
2daBank said:
Not like they end up free either. Gotta pay 20-30 bucks to park, obviously I’m gonna drink a beer or 4, if I took the old lady she would want to get fed!! Freaking lost my free parking plug cause my partner who’s family owned “eat rite” our whole lives sold it a few years back, so that sucks. Guess I coulda took them and invited my brother, acted like I paid for him so make him cover all that shit!! Lol. I just have no desire sitting in a pool of my own sweat for 3 hours!
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I gave up years ago. On a weekend it's a 30 minute drive, downtown PHX blew up so parking is insane. Used to pay $5-$10 for a game now it's at least $25. Last time I was downtown it was $25/hour on a Sat morning and that was after a 2 hour exemption for buying something at the grocery store lol. And construction is awful, no shock the Snakes want a new stadium that isn't downtown. Last few times I went I just got a hotel room. The tickets are never an issue, have a few buds that are higher ups w/the team, it's the rest of the bullshit.
 
Back to the topic at hand

Love that 1st 5 under in STL with Cuzzi making the k zone larger than a van. Might be done in less than an hour as well!
 
KJ said:
I gave up years ago. On a weekend it's a 30 minute drive, downtown PHX blew up so parking is insane. Used to pay $5-$10 for a game now it's at least $25. Last time I was downtown it was $25/hour on a Sat morning and that was after a 2 hour exemption for buying something at the grocery store lol. And construction is awful, no shock the Snakes want a new stadium that isn't downtown. Last few times I went I just got a hotel room. The tickets are never an issue, have a few buds that are higher ups w/the team, it's the rest of the bullshit.
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Yea I’ve always been able to score some free tix in regular season if I want them. Used to go 7-10x a year but maybe I been once since pandemic, construction shit sucks everywhere now, I guess cities all got the covid money and started fucjing things up all over!

I didn’t have to pay for parking my whole life cause the “eat rite” plug, sometimes if his grampa was actually there I have to deal with his fucjed up stares since he a greedy fuck but well worth it! I remember going to playoffs one year so they had prices all jacked up and his dad saved me spot, his gramps saw him giving me spot and you could see his whole face turning red as he just lost out on 30 bucks, lmao. So greedy, known them my whole life and done god knows how many favors for his kid and grandkid yet dude has to fight back a heart attack anytime he sees me park for free!
 
KJ said:
Back to the topic at hand

Love that 1st 5 under in STL with Cuzzi making the k zone larger than a van. Might be done in less than an hour as well!
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Yea, think so. I was shocked I was able to get 4.5, feel like that gotta have a real high probability of cashing!! It just got super dark here, I had no clue they calling for rain but old lady just said they were, coulda swore I just heard hot and humid as fuck.
 
2daBank said:
Yea, think so. I was shocked I was able to get 4.5, feel like that gotta have a real high probability of cashing!! It just got super dark here, I had no clue they calling for rain but old lady just said they were, coulda swore I just heard hot and humid as fuck.
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Hmm gotta look it up. Seriously hazy after UFC mounting last night but it was incredible.

Not @ScottSharp yet
 
KJ said:
Hmm gotta look it up. Seriously hazy after UFC mounting last night but it was incredible.

Not @ScottSharp yet
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I’m having a hell of a time with my eyes, I got a eye dr appointment in morning, little worried my retina detached so yea, my capping was sloppy today.
 
2daBank said:
Yea I’ve always been able to score some free tix in regular season if I want them. Used to go 7-10x a year but maybe I been once since pandemic, construction shit sucks everywhere now, I guess cities all got the covid money and started fucjing things up all over!

I didn’t have to pay for parking my whole life cause the “eat rite” plug, sometimes if his grampa was actually there I have to deal with his fucjed up stares since he a greedy fuck but well worth it! I remember going to playoffs one year so they had prices all jacked up and his dad saved me spot, his gramps saw him giving me spot and you could see his whole face turning red as he just lost out on 30 bucks, lmao. So greedy, known them my whole life and done god knows how many favors for his kid and grandkid yet dude has to fight back a heart attack anytime he sees me park for free!
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Last time I went was on a first date. Hotel room, splash tickets that lets you go behind the dugout to the club, etc. In other words it was about getting laid.

Far cry from the kid that went to Busch for the first time playing the Padres with Gary Templeton
 
KJ said:
Last time I went was on a first date. Hotel room, splash tickets that lets you go behind the dugout to the club, etc. In other words it was about getting laid.

Far cry from the kid that went to Busch for the first time playing the Padres with Gary Templeton
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Baseball games are a good date, if she worth talking to plenty of time for that, if she sucks you can just watch the game or say you going to get her stuff and stay gone wondering around for few innings looking at other chicks then blame it on lines! Lol. Beats the hell out of dinner and movie!
 
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I don’t know shit bout either pitcher in the milw/nats game, woulda prob thought bout fading Brewers again but price wasn’t worth it.
 
Snakes have a bunch of lefties in lineup for facing a lefty! Then couple others who switch hitters, dunno those particular guys MO but feel like most switch hitters better from left side. Phillies do as well but that makes more sense seeing how they gonna see several different pitchers.
 
Wonder why Castellanos power numbers so far down this year? Not like he left a bandbox for a pitcher friendly park, Philly a bandbox also isn’t it?
 
Tigers have huge pitching mismatch in their favor but their crappy lineup balances things out and price isn’t that great. Love me some Skubal tho! I used his over 5.5 k’s prop In the lotto ticket but once again no capping involved! Lol
 
2daBank said:
Tigers have huge pitching mismatch in their favor but their crappy lineup balances things out and price isn’t that great. Love me some Skubal tho! I used his over 5.5 k’s prop In the lotto ticket but once again no capping involved! Lol
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Wish I woulda dug into this one, Skubal props and tigers against stripling (who I hate) being plus money was worth a closer look for potentially a real play but whatever.
 
Jays havnt lost 2 games in a row in some time either, they have a righty heavy lineup also. Skubal is really good tho!
 
2 batters in and wish I woulda played over in Philly! Lol. I just don’t understand why some ppl I respect love Ranger Suarez so much? You would think this point in his career the numbers be getting better yet his swinging strikes way down this season.
 
Fucjing Suarez. 3 1st inning walks leads to a 3-0 hole. So mad I didn’t play the over with them, I dunno if they win but now if going over if they do!
 
Aw shit. We got a injured pitcher in the texas/cws game. Gonna make the under tougher w Kopech out already, wtf happened to him?
 
Oh shit. Luke weaver was 2nd man In for snakes? I didn’t know he was healthy, that could be problematic for Phillies, he certainly capable of shutting them down but I have no idea what he looks like after not pitching since .2 innings April 7th.
 
At least Suarez has calmed down, I still wish I woulda known weaver was piggy backing this game, I expected to get bunch of different snakes pitchers, not a legit good pitcher! Why the hell wouldn’t they have simply started him?
 
Ah these pussy tigers, pulled Skubal after 4 innings just needing 1 strike out. At least I lost that lotto ticket early I guess! Lol
 
Phillies blew a chance at a big inning. Just gotta get weaver out of there, can’t imagine he gonna go much longer. His last rehab start he only went 4 innings so he can’t be stretched out much, already thrown 62 pitches.
 
All a sudden Hudson control that been much better for 2+ games hit a fuckinb wall this inning, 2 walks anx hits a guy to bring a run in. Fuck it, I knew I didn’t do the work and didn’t like this card. Can’t crush them every day I suppose.
 
KJ said:
Hudson officially has the yips

Stay away for the immediate future
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He been damn near impossible to figure out this year. Can’t stand messing with his games but his history vs reds + ump thought be enough. Last start shoulda cashed cards rl/under w him but the stinking pen gave up a 3 run bomb in extra innings to fuck the rl.
 
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