xxDaJackaLxx
Speaker for the Dead
Looks like you broke your own rule and it cost you. Otherwise, that teaser would have been money!
You took the Rams +9, a 'cellar dwellar', against taking a top team who may make the playoffs, NYG.
:seeya:
So The WTF happened in Week 2 ??
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Looks like you broke your own rule and it cost you. Otherwise, that teaser would have been money!
You took the Rams +9, a 'cellar dwellar', against taking a top team who may make the playoffs, NYG.
:seeya:
Blitz- Now worries bro. Since I have often stated I hate the pyschology of convincing one self that the losing play was the right play I guess I may have snapped back at you late last night . Didnt mean to at all but didnt want people to think that was the message I was portaying( Dal was the right play type message as I firmly believe they did not deserve to cover a TD spread based on there sloppiness) . As I said just looking for the key plays the sort of made the final score read the way it did. With any post game look back one thing I make a point to do is just look at things that were somewhat out of the ordinary that might not happen again in a teams next game or a rematch. Like everything else I do with handicapping its all theorizing and the only way to find a right or worong answer is to the see game play out or the next game play it .
As for the Giants you gotta know I rooting for them being I am NYer . As for Dal defense hard to say I disagree or give you some sort of BUT type response . I think in year's past its hard to disagree with your statement cause its absolutely true . Roy Williams we all know is terrible in pass coverage . I bolded because that should be the word association ...Roy Williams and pass coverage , first thought should be terrible. Anyway think they may finally keep him away from obvious passing downs which will be helpful and the other is they already had solid corners but Henry and Newman always seemed banged up . So PacMan's addition is very nice . Mix in PacMan and Felix Jones in the return game oh wow !
(basically addrressed to everyone not Blitz)
I guess I am in the minority thinking DAL defense played fairly well and much , much better then Philly's. We all seem to agree DAL handed Philly 14 pts . So that 37 pts allowed in real terms to me is 23 pts . Now the point about scoring quick has been brought up . I absolutely agree it kills your defense in a game when you repeatedly quick score cause your defense is always on the field . My point was more about the message it sends without any intent . While it has negatives it all has a psychological message...DAL feels like Philly cant stop them and Phillys offense knows FG's aint gonna cut it ...and has to be a tad disheartened they worked to move the ball and get points and DAL did it so quickly ...
Philly gets the ball at there own 40 yd line making it a pretty short field , they need 9plays to get 44 more yards before having to settle for a FG attempt, this took 4 or so minutes to do and really the starting field position was huge cause of 9 plays they really had just 3positive plays 14 yd run , huge 19yd datch on 3rd and 6 and another 7 yd catch. So w/o the good start they probably dont even get 3 points . Dal is backed up at its own 14 yd line , converts a 3rd and 9 for a 1st down and then again on 3rd down and long (3rd and 10) they hit a wide open TO for a 72 yd TD. To me that says you gave us your best shot and we had terrible field position and we still scored with ease ...To me Philly worked for theer 3 points and DAL despite bad starting field position , despite a 3rd and 9 , despite a 3rd ad 10 still scored very quickly inside of about 3 minutes ... I dont way to say it was effortless but it sort of comes off that way when you look at it from a far IMO ...
Same deal next drive . Philly gets decent starting field position and winds up settling for 3 pts . Dal gave them 5 yards on a penalty as well which could be crucial in theory making a 44 yder ...49yds ..anyway they had 1st and 10 at DAL 27 and gained 1 yd on 3 plays !!
Now I wouldnt count Felix Jones TD as a part of Phillys defense either .
Dallas then forces Philly into a 3 and out. This is a crucial spot . Dallas up 14-6 gets the ball back another TD would be huge and crushing IMO .
Thats why Tony Romo's biggest weakness is trying to do to much on every play . Always trying to hit the GS even though no one is on base type mentality . We have seen him do it numerous times where you like Tony WTF where you thinking. Anyway 2nd and 9 from DAL 28 and he just avoided a sack or defender and threw some bullet side armed pass into the middle of the field and missed his WR but hit the defender right in the chess. Only worse was the pass interference call after that to move the ball to the 1 yd line...bad call by the ref...real bad call...
Then more sloppiness . Stanback only gets to the 5 yd line . So starting field position the DAL 5 . Another gift or gaffe ...penalty on 1st down makes it worse moving it to the 2.5 or 3 yd line ....still dont know how ROmo fumbled only that he actually regrouped and then coughed it up again trying to make something happen . He could have just taken a safety or whizzed it out of bounds ...you dont give away 7 pts then next possession give away 7 points .
Make NO MISTAKE THIS is clearly DAL flaw . Something they need to correct . It happens vs every good opponent . Sloppy play and penalties kill them . Rarely do we see this team beaten on the field and that is important to remember but just as important is the fact the sloppy play is clearly a characteristic of the TEAM and hasnt shown signs of changing yet . It's what holds them back from the NEXT LEVEL so to speak.
Anyway now down 20-14 again next possession with help from Felix Jones and good starting poistion they immediately answr and score 7 pts to retake the lead.
So now I wonder is DAL defense a bit fatigued believe they also lost Roy Williams in the 1st H( not a huge deal but still an absence to overcome) . This is the drive where Jackson hits Phillys big play(60yder) think the 1st 20+ yd play from scrimmage . He almost gave the TD away and thats also a huge difference . When DAL fucked up twice or Romo twice it cost his team 14 points it would have been fitting (even fair) had Jackson gaffe cost his teams points ...loss of the TD and loss of the possession of the ball . It didnt Philly got another break and kept the ball scoring on a 1 yd plunge . Quick 3 and out thanks to a holding penalty. If Dal defense wasnt tired on the previous drive which it may have been just good Philly execution I would think it was starting to fatigue here. Litle less then 6 to play and Dal offense had the ball just 10 minutes ...
So right before half a stop woul dbe key but to Phillys credit they again grind the ball downfield . Another stupid DAL penalty on 2nd and 11 at the DAL 26 gave Philly an automatic 1st down. Anyway they again settle for 3 . They had 1st and 10 at the 20 and vredit McNabb for a great scramble but 1st aand goal at the 10 again they failed to score . They get 3 pts .
So thats 3 FGs and 1 TD on a big play pass that almost shouldnt have been for the Philly offense in the 1st H .
Worse is they leave DAL with 43 seconds and crap startingfield position and Romo hits Witten for 40 something yards setting up a long FG attempt they make to keep the game 6 pts and 1 score . Another message sent by DALLAS IMO.
So Dal ran 20 plays for 196 yds plus 2 plays that resulted in TOs which I didnt include . Take away there big 72 yd pass play and they still ran 19 plays 124yds . They still scored 2TDs and 1 FG despite losing 2 possessions to TOs . Philly ran 40 plays for 237 yds twice what DAL did . The big play of 60 yds means they had 177yds on 39 plays otherwise ...
2nd H -
Philly had 1 methodical TD drive which was there first and only of the game really . They had 2 punts , 1 TOD to end the game and the terrible fumble on the handoff .
Dal punted 1st possession which was a huge hold by Philly I admit . They went 9 plays for 79yds upon getting the ball back to retake the lead but also allowe Phily to answer immediately and give up the lead. They then got the ball back and narrowed to 3 with a FG the first time they settled for a FG all game. As there 1st FG was really best case scenario with 43 secs left before half. After that silly fumble DAL still had 67 yds to go to get a TD and did it . It wasnt a short field by any means. So now after the 1st stop to start the 2nd H Dal went TD , FG , TD and really could have iced the game if Romo hits Barber on the outside for teh 1st down ...
All day Philly basically had 5 scoring drives on offense ..3 FGS which took 9,10 and 11 plays (44 ,4 8 , 57yd drives) plus TDs which took 11 (74)and 5 plays(72) (the Jackson 60yder)..While Dal needed 6 , 8,9,7 plays to score there 4 TDS (86 ,56 , 79,67) and there FG drive was 8 plays for 40yds
Outside of the sloppiness DAL did impress me on both sides of the ball making Philly work for there yards , forcing them to settle for FGs , and coming up with key stops . Where as DAL shot themselves in the foot with penalties and costly turnovers but moved the ball fairly easily nearly every possession especially when it needed to respond.
All I can say is DAL has a major weaknes that needs to be corrected and that is penalties and Romo's careless TOs . They happen time and time again and really put the team at a disadvantage . Philly has obviously improved and the offense will get better when Curtis and Brown return . Still I dont see McNabb making big plays when he needs to or Philly needs him to. Nothing can be more obvious then an excusable fumble on a handoff and when trailing missing Westbrook wide open over the middle (which Romo missed Barber trying to preserve the game but he was jailhoused blitz and simply rushed ) . The sacks at the end of the game silly as well .
Philly may be a good team but they are far from very good at this point . The defense had zero crucial stops IMO minus the opening possession of the 2nd H. Inexcusable to allow DAL to put 3 on the board before half with 43 seconds left when it just took your offense 5 minutes to do that ...
In general gonna be tough to lay medium sized numbers with DAL vs good teams and better if they cant correct there flaws. Which they may well not . Its also not gonna be easy to lay points with Philly vs good teams if the situation to cover ATS needs them winning but cause I dont know if they can beat teams that are more talented w/o self destruction.
On paper DAL is the team to beat IMO but then again so are the Yankees every year. The key is always playing like a team and doing the little things to win games and not lose them.
Sammy Meatballs -
With Pitt we have to look big picture as well . They have a good defense and that hurts overs as well especially a sgames become one sided there is no reason to not run the ball . So 1st H over then 2nd H unders might be a better generalization for them. Although we cant discount the wind @ Cle and Big Ben playing with shoulder discomfort .
Totals are as much about philosophy as how the game plays out .
I also think one thing that always seperates good and bad offenses is talent . You cant have a good offense w/o talent and suprisingly there are many offenses who dont have players starting at key spots on offense who have any "special" qualities to there NFL game ...OL play is very key . If you give a QB team he generally will find the open WR as someone is almost always open . Just a matter if the QB can find him and delive the ball .
Nawlins- being that DAL is probably the most popular franchise in sports its hard for them when they are good and talented not to get hyped and overhyped . I think what your trying to say is DAL is not as good as some media outlets have portayed and they have obvious flaws which will hinder them vs good competition. That I agree with . I also know you were saying that Philly wasnt better . Though I agree once Philly gets those key turnovers hard to believe they were not covering since both teams always answered eachother scores . I guess from my standpoint I was more interested in was DAL gonna win this game at halftime ? Good debate ....we got our points across to eachother ...
SF capper - Agree on the manner of scoring . I just think it sends a message when one team needs 10-12 plays to grind out 60yds to get on the board and the other can just drop back a few times and do the same or more in haf the plays and time . The unfortunate downfall is it does clearly weigh heavily on your defense when they have to make play after play . That was the point I was trying to make as far as how teams score . Its a pyschological confidence thing . When the defense tires you may score but also means you need your opponent weaken to do so . Where DAL went head to head and scored with no help or excuses...
Wiki/Sammy - Great points . Sammy also great part about confusion . I dont think anyone will ever understand how hard it is for me to make a decision and feel confident about it . The product of an A.D.D mind crossed with anxiety and paranoia issues and illness. I know your pain in that sense.....confusion and clutter hurt me nearly everyday....people think oh so what ADD , anxiety , etc those are just in vogue illnesses today that everyone has ...they dont understand that they are debilating illnesses...(treatable but not cureable)
EStreet - Good stuff bro. I think Jones-Drew was banged up in preseason and maybe the old coach doesnt think he is right but the player thinks he can walk on water applies.
This team does have problems and feed off a weak schedule and used a good defense which has dropped a few notches IMO .....
:cheers:Okay Week 2 is done and gone week 3 is up ! GL everyone and good contributions all around. Even if I disagree at times it doesnt matter there is always relevance in the points . My agreeing or disagreeing is just 1 man's opinion....:shake:
As for the Giants you gotta know I rooting for them being I am NYer . As for Dal defense hard to say I disagree or give you some sort of BUT type response . I think in year's past its hard to disagree with your statement cause its absolutely true . Roy Williams we all know is terrible in pass coverage . I bolded because that should be the word association ...Roy Williams and pass coverage , first thought should be terrible. Anyway think they may finally keep him away from obvious passing downs which will be helpful and the other is they already had solid corners but Henry and Newman always seemed banged up . So PacMan's addition is very nice . Mix in PacMan and Felix Jones in the return game oh wow !
(basically addrressed to everyone not Blitz)
I guess I am in the minority thinking DAL defense played fairly well and much , much better then Philly's. We all seem to agree DAL handed Philly 14 pts . So that 37 pts allowed in real terms to me is 23 pts . Now the point about scoring quick has been brought up . I absolutely agree it kills your defense in a game when you repeatedly quick score cause your defense is always on the field . My point was more about the message it sends without any intent . While it has negatives it all has a psychological message...DAL feels like Philly cant stop them and Phillys offense knows FG's aint gonna cut it ...and has to be a tad disheartened they worked to move the ball and get points and DAL did it so quickly ...
Philly gets the ball at there own 40 yd line making it a pretty short field , they need 9plays to get 44 more yards before having to settle for a FG attempt, this took 4 or so minutes to do and really the starting field position was huge cause of 9 plays they really had just 3positive plays 14 yd run , huge 19yd datch on 3rd and 6 and another 7 yd catch. So w/o the good start they probably dont even get 3 points . Dal is backed up at its own 14 yd line , converts a 3rd and 9 for a 1st down and then again on 3rd down and long (3rd and 10) they hit a wide open TO for a 72 yd TD. To me that says you gave us your best shot and we had terrible field position and we still scored with ease ...To me Philly worked for theer 3 points and DAL despite bad starting field position , despite a 3rd and 9 , despite a 3rd ad 10 still scored very quickly inside of about 3 minutes ... I dont way to say it was effortless but it sort of comes off that way when you look at it from a far IMO ...
Same deal next drive . Philly gets decent starting field position and winds up settling for 3 pts . Dal gave them 5 yards on a penalty as well which could be crucial in theory making a 44 yder ...49yds ..anyway they had 1st and 10 at DAL 27 and gained 1 yd on 3 plays !!
Now I wouldnt count Felix Jones TD as a part of Phillys defense either .
Dallas then forces Philly into a 3 and out. This is a crucial spot . Dallas up 14-6 gets the ball back another TD would be huge and crushing IMO .
Thats why Tony Romo's biggest weakness is trying to do to much on every play . Always trying to hit the GS even though no one is on base type mentality . We have seen him do it numerous times where you like Tony WTF where you thinking. Anyway 2nd and 9 from DAL 28 and he just avoided a sack or defender and threw some bullet side armed pass into the middle of the field and missed his WR but hit the defender right in the chess. Only worse was the pass interference call after that to move the ball to the 1 yd line...bad call by the ref...real bad call...
Then more sloppiness . Stanback only gets to the 5 yd line . So starting field position the DAL 5 . Another gift or gaffe ...penalty on 1st down makes it worse moving it to the 2.5 or 3 yd line ....still dont know how ROmo fumbled only that he actually regrouped and then coughed it up again trying to make something happen . He could have just taken a safety or whizzed it out of bounds ...you dont give away 7 pts then next possession give away 7 points .
Make NO MISTAKE THIS is clearly DAL flaw . Something they need to correct . It happens vs every good opponent . Sloppy play and penalties kill them . Rarely do we see this team beaten on the field and that is important to remember but just as important is the fact the sloppy play is clearly a characteristic of the TEAM and hasnt shown signs of changing yet . It's what holds them back from the NEXT LEVEL so to speak.
Anyway now down 20-14 again next possession with help from Felix Jones and good starting poistion they immediately answr and score 7 pts to retake the lead.
So now I wonder is DAL defense a bit fatigued believe they also lost Roy Williams in the 1st H( not a huge deal but still an absence to overcome) . This is the drive where Jackson hits Phillys big play(60yder) think the 1st 20+ yd play from scrimmage . He almost gave the TD away and thats also a huge difference . When DAL fucked up twice or Romo twice it cost his team 14 points it would have been fitting (even fair) had Jackson gaffe cost his teams points ...loss of the TD and loss of the possession of the ball . It didnt Philly got another break and kept the ball scoring on a 1 yd plunge . Quick 3 and out thanks to a holding penalty. If Dal defense wasnt tired on the previous drive which it may have been just good Philly execution I would think it was starting to fatigue here. Litle less then 6 to play and Dal offense had the ball just 10 minutes ...
So right before half a stop woul dbe key but to Phillys credit they again grind the ball downfield . Another stupid DAL penalty on 2nd and 11 at the DAL 26 gave Philly an automatic 1st down. Anyway they again settle for 3 . They had 1st and 10 at the 20 and vredit McNabb for a great scramble but 1st aand goal at the 10 again they failed to score . They get 3 pts .
So thats 3 FGs and 1 TD on a big play pass that almost shouldnt have been for the Philly offense in the 1st H .
Worse is they leave DAL with 43 seconds and crap startingfield position and Romo hits Witten for 40 something yards setting up a long FG attempt they make to keep the game 6 pts and 1 score . Another message sent by DALLAS IMO.
So Dal ran 20 plays for 196 yds plus 2 plays that resulted in TOs which I didnt include . Take away there big 72 yd pass play and they still ran 19 plays 124yds . They still scored 2TDs and 1 FG despite losing 2 possessions to TOs . Philly ran 40 plays for 237 yds twice what DAL did . The big play of 60 yds means they had 177yds on 39 plays otherwise ...
2nd H -
Philly had 1 methodical TD drive which was there first and only of the game really . They had 2 punts , 1 TOD to end the game and the terrible fumble on the handoff .
Dal punted 1st possession which was a huge hold by Philly I admit . They went 9 plays for 79yds upon getting the ball back to retake the lead but also allowe Phily to answer immediately and give up the lead. They then got the ball back and narrowed to 3 with a FG the first time they settled for a FG all game. As there 1st FG was really best case scenario with 43 secs left before half. After that silly fumble DAL still had 67 yds to go to get a TD and did it . It wasnt a short field by any means. So now after the 1st stop to start the 2nd H Dal went TD , FG , TD and really could have iced the game if Romo hits Barber on the outside for teh 1st down ...
All day Philly basically had 5 scoring drives on offense ..3 FGS which took 9,10 and 11 plays (44 ,4 8 , 57yd drives) plus TDs which took 11 (74)and 5 plays(72) (the Jackson 60yder)..While Dal needed 6 , 8,9,7 plays to score there 4 TDS (86 ,56 , 79,67) and there FG drive was 8 plays for 40yds
Outside of the sloppiness DAL did impress me on both sides of the ball making Philly work for there yards , forcing them to settle for FGs , and coming up with key stops . Where as DAL shot themselves in the foot with penalties and costly turnovers but moved the ball fairly easily nearly every possession especially when it needed to respond.
All I can say is DAL has a major weaknes that needs to be corrected and that is penalties and Romo's careless TOs . They happen time and time again and really put the team at a disadvantage . Philly has obviously improved and the offense will get better when Curtis and Brown return . Still I dont see McNabb making big plays when he needs to or Philly needs him to. Nothing can be more obvious then an excusable fumble on a handoff and when trailing missing Westbrook wide open over the middle (which Romo missed Barber trying to preserve the game but he was jailhoused blitz and simply rushed ) . The sacks at the end of the game silly as well .
Philly may be a good team but they are far from very good at this point . The defense had zero crucial stops IMO minus the opening possession of the 2nd H. Inexcusable to allow DAL to put 3 on the board before half with 43 seconds left when it just took your offense 5 minutes to do that ...
In general gonna be tough to lay medium sized numbers with DAL vs good teams and better if they cant correct there flaws. Which they may well not . Its also not gonna be easy to lay points with Philly vs good teams if the situation to cover ATS needs them winning but cause I dont know if they can beat teams that are more talented w/o self destruction.
On paper DAL is the team to beat IMO but then again so are the Yankees every year. The key is always playing like a team and doing the little things to win games and not lose them.
Sammy Meatballs -
With Pitt we have to look big picture as well . They have a good defense and that hurts overs as well especially a sgames become one sided there is no reason to not run the ball . So 1st H over then 2nd H unders might be a better generalization for them. Although we cant discount the wind @ Cle and Big Ben playing with shoulder discomfort .
Totals are as much about philosophy as how the game plays out .
I also think one thing that always seperates good and bad offenses is talent . You cant have a good offense w/o talent and suprisingly there are many offenses who dont have players starting at key spots on offense who have any "special" qualities to there NFL game ...OL play is very key . If you give a QB team he generally will find the open WR as someone is almost always open . Just a matter if the QB can find him and delive the ball .
Nawlins- being that DAL is probably the most popular franchise in sports its hard for them when they are good and talented not to get hyped and overhyped . I think what your trying to say is DAL is not as good as some media outlets have portayed and they have obvious flaws which will hinder them vs good competition. That I agree with . I also know you were saying that Philly wasnt better . Though I agree once Philly gets those key turnovers hard to believe they were not covering since both teams always answered eachother scores . I guess from my standpoint I was more interested in was DAL gonna win this game at halftime ? Good debate ....we got our points across to eachother ...
SF capper - Agree on the manner of scoring . I just think it sends a message when one team needs 10-12 plays to grind out 60yds to get on the board and the other can just drop back a few times and do the same or more in haf the plays and time . The unfortunate downfall is it does clearly weigh heavily on your defense when they have to make play after play . That was the point I was trying to make as far as how teams score . Its a pyschological confidence thing . When the defense tires you may score but also means you need your opponent weaken to do so . Where DAL went head to head and scored with no help or excuses...
Wiki/Sammy - Great points . Sammy also great part about confusion . I dont think anyone will ever understand how hard it is for me to make a decision and feel confident about it . The product of an A.D.D mind crossed with anxiety and paranoia issues and illness. I know your pain in that sense.....confusion and clutter hurt me nearly everyday....people think oh so what ADD , anxiety , etc those are just in vogue illnesses today that everyone has ...they dont understand that they are debilating illnesses...(treatable but not cureable)
EStreet - Good stuff bro. I think Jones-Drew was banged up in preseason and maybe the old coach doesnt think he is right but the player thinks he can walk on water applies.
This team does have problems and feed off a weak schedule and used a good defense which has dropped a few notches IMO .....
:cheers:Okay Week 2 is done and gone week 3 is up ! GL everyone and good contributions all around. Even if I disagree at times it doesnt matter there is always relevance in the points . My agreeing or disagreeing is just 1 man's opinion....:shake:
tsizzle
Well-Known Member
SN,
The Niners are an interesting squad. Offensively, they run a great passing scheme and have a great talent in Frank Gore. They kinda are a warped version of the old Rams. O'Sullivan is similar to Warner in his ability to make great passes, but he has a habit of holding onto the ball entirely too long, and often makes poor decisions. Gore is similar to Faulk, as a RB with the ability to run, receive and block. The WR core has Bruce and Johnson run the split end and flanker spots (what would be interesting is if they had drafted Desean Jackson as their Az Hakim....or slot receiver/return specialist).
The Niners just aren't disciplined as a team...they've shown potential every year under Nolan....but never "break through". I know the "Alex Smith era" is a huge factor, but this team still shows a lack of discipline and often makes mental/procedural errors (from watching the preseason + the first two games). I think O'Sullivan isn't "the next Kurt Warner" and simply isn't consistent enough to lead this team to a playoff caliber record.
The defense has some talent, but isn't a lineup that creates matchup problems for any decent offense. They have playmakers and will have some good Sundays, but they're not an overall lock down/ball hawking unit.
Up front, Smith has looked good. It was troubling that they couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs against Seattle. Hasselback actually looked serviceable without 1 nfl caliber receiver (Carleson looks decent, but isn't a proven TE...more of a productive option as a Hassleback's emergency outlet). The 9r's secondary was getting beaten against AZ...but that's an anomaly considering the talent they faced.....they looked great against SEA, but that's an anomaly considering the lack of talent....so despite their probowl talent, I would argue they're an unknown to this point.
LB core is carried by Willis, who's a sideline to sideline playmaker. Harrelson looked like an impact player against AZ. They're an above average unit with Willis on the field.
All in all....I think the 49ers are going to be a chore to cap. I think they'll be unpredictable and truly vary from start to start/matchup to matchup. I'll try to chime in weekly if I have any interesting info/angles on their games. BOL
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tsizzle
Well-Known Member
One more important point...is the Niners early number of sacks surrendered.
You combine an average pass blocking line, with a QB that holds onto the ball too much and you get a league leading 12 sacks surrendered. Martz's runs a precision passing offense, and if you have average QB's (ie O'Sullivan, Kitna etc) you get inflated sack totals (I think Detroit gave 50+ up last season). This offense can be stellar, when guys get open and the QB gets in a rhythm....but it can be really inconsistent and ugly as well. Just more food for thought.
You combine an average pass blocking line, with a QB that holds onto the ball too much and you get a league leading 12 sacks surrendered. Martz's runs a precision passing offense, and if you have average QB's (ie O'Sullivan, Kitna etc) you get inflated sack totals (I think Detroit gave 50+ up last season). This offense can be stellar, when guys get open and the QB gets in a rhythm....but it can be really inconsistent and ugly as well. Just more food for thought.
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