"Richie Incognito touched me" Week 10 discussion thread

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Keenum is not going to be a Pro Bowler come on. He might not even be a starter in the league next year.
 
as far as keenum goes...lets see how he does. he could end up benched by next year, or he could be Romo-esque
 
Keenum is not going to be a Pro Bowler come on. He might not even be a starter in the league next year.

if that pick 6 throwin poor excuse for a gm manager can carve out a decent career of mediocrity playing in hou i have no doubt keenum can surpass that..i think he in for a rough go of it this week tho..
 
i do agree with your main point that for the most part, you can't use past years teams to talk about this team (certainly cant use the Ravens last year as a reason to back them this year), but aside from losing in Seattle, which everyone does, and then losing the next week after being beaten up by Seattle to a team that now looks like htey could make a SB run, doesnt mean they have fallen off.

They came back after that and have looked like the team they were last week. You guys disagree with me about SF being a class above Carolina, thats absolutley fine. Well see on Sunday

I'm not even sure guys disagree about this point as much as they are pointing to the fact that SF has played as many crap teams as Car has, and that's your big reason for not liking Carolina. You seem to continue to ignore this point. You pointed out SF losing to Sea and then the week after Sea, but then you said they came back after that and have looked good....but against who? They've looked good against the same caliber opponent that Carolina has looked good against.

I guess that point is that you're not giving Carolina any credit because of who they've beaten, but on the other hand you're giving SF much credit for beating the same type of opponents, and using their past as an indicator of them, as a team, now.
 
I'm not even sure guys disagree about this point as much as they are pointing to the fact that SF has played as many crap teams as Car has, and that's your big reason for not liking Carolina. You seem to continue to ignore this point. You pointed out SF losing to Sea and then the week after Sea, but then you said they came back after that and have looked good....but against who? They've looked good against the same caliber opponent that Carolina has looked good against.

I guess that point is that you're not giving Carolina any credit because of who they've beaten, but on the other hand you're giving SF much credit for beating the same type of opponents, and using their past as an indicator of them, as a team, now.

Ill agree that SF's wins have been against mostly shitty teams. Although everyone seems to discount them destroying GB in GB. Im just going with what I know, or think I know, about the teams, and the spot. If people dont agree, they don't have to bet it.
 
Ill agree that SF's wins have been against mostly shitty teams. Although everyone seems to discount them destroying GB in GB. Im just going with what I know, or think I know, about the teams, and the spot. If people dont agree, they don't have to bet it.

That GB game was a long time ago now, and SF may just have GB's number. GL this week.

:shake:
 
Ill agree that SF's wins have been against mostly shitty teams. Although everyone seems to discount them destroying GB in GB. Im just going with what I know, or think I know, about the teams, and the spot. If people dont agree, they don't have to bet it.

gb win this year was in SF - gl this week..........
 
Keenum is not going to be a Pro Bowler come on. He might not even be a starter in the league next year.

keenan will be Houston starter next year IMO.. from there who knows.. What I see--- kid has leadership skills, has tools but most of all has moxie.. If he was rams QB, they would have made playoffs this year IMO... I just like watching him play... anxious to see how he plays this week on the road .
 
I like Keenum as well

He got a hometown tryout, and made it

I watched him vs that Chiefs D, and he was doing pretty damn well.
 
Rj Bell:

NFL: Top 20 Vegas Trends

49ers – At home under Harbaugh: 18-5-1 ATS

Bills - Home team in Buffalo games has covered 10 of 11
Broncos – Any road favorite off a bye: 47-14 ATS (77% last 13 seasons)

Bucs – As home underdog: 4-19 ATS
Bucs – Last 41 home games, have never once covered the spread two straight home games
Chargers – First time in 10 seasons a touchdown or greater underdog at home
Cowboys – As underdogs by more than a field goal: 11-1 ATS

Eagles - Road team in Philly games has covered 13 of last 15

Falcons - Off a loss by 6+ points: 16-2 ATS the next game

Giants - Only third 2-6 team in 25 seasons to be favored by a touchdown or more
Jags – Winless teams off bye: 28-11 ATSJags – Teams off 30+ point loss off bye: 14-4 ATS

Lions – After scoring 30 points: lost 12 straight ATS the next game

Packers - Absence of Rogers worth 7.5 points to pointspread

Packers - Home team in Green Bay games has covered 13 of last 16

Ravens – Off a loss: 19-4 SU the next game

Ravens – Only 14[SUP]th[/SUP] time since 1980 that the defending champion is a home underdog
Saints – Under Coach Payton at home: Covered 13 STRAIGHT

Saints – Under Coach Payton, off a loss: 15-4 ATS the next game

Titans - First time double digit favorites since 2009
 
Can anyone explain why the Falcons have dropped so much on the spread and moneyline? I'm absolutely sick about how early I picked up Seattle.
 
A little reverse line movement....according to all the people that claim this shit is real "80% of all bets have come in on Seattle but the line has plummeted!"....cue NBAfan saying this shit is real or you are a moron. Im split on it personally.
 
aplous- I give oddsmakers enormous credit for what they do but Seattle was looking ahead last week and you're probably going to get a very good effort from them to avenge the playoff loss.
 
stl/indy 1st half un 23 (2.5x)..really like this, colts desperately wanting to be a power rushing team and if ya gonna be that lambs d certainly the team to do it against. maybe they start to generate some rushing attack but that works out just fine for me here, i know lambs are looking to run so i suspect a rapid moving 1st half here...despite the show that TY and luck put on in the second half of hou gm they dearly miss wayne on 3rd downs, again cant be overstated how important he is when your OC wants to establish the rush as badly as pep cause you need that guy on 3rd down to extend drives and while i love TY's skill set he isnt in wayne's league in thiis department as of yet, dhb is a stone handed clown, simply put w/o wayne indy can still be effective and will nail ya with some big plays but they gonna be punting far more often... even when rams offense is effective they are a red zone nightmare to watch, i like rams to have ground success as well but again we talking about a lot of clock getting ate up when they move and not necessarily a lot of points coming out of it.. i would have played this at 20.5 so i think 23 presents some solid value. like the gm under as well but like last week feel like this the better option as 2nd half could start producing more big plays based off all the ground work both teams do early..
 
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1:00 PM


203 Jacksonville Jaguars
204 Tennessee Titans
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63%
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[TD="class: pct"] 52%
48%
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[TD="class: pct"] 59%
41%
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 41.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 42
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 42
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11/10

1:00 PM


205 Philadelphia Eagles
206 Green Bay Packers
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[TD="class: pct"] 72%
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1:00 PM


207 Buffalo Bills
208 Pittsburgh Steelers
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[TD="class: pct"] 71%
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 43
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 43
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 42.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook_full"] 42.5u-102/-101
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 43.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 43
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 42.5
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11/10

1:00 PM


209 Oakland Raiders
210 New York Giants
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68%
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[TD="class: pct"] 64%
36%
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[TD="class: pct"] 71%
29%
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 42
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 43u-107
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1:00 PM


211 St. Louis Rams
212 Indianapolis Colts
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62%
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68%
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[TD="class: pct"] 83%
17%
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 44
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1:00 PM


213 Seattle Seahawks
214 Atlanta Falcons
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46
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1:00 PM


215 Cincinnati Bengals
216 Baltimore Ravens
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1:00 PM


217 Detroit Lions
218 Chicago Bears
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4:05 PM


219 Carolina Panthers
220 San Francisco 49ers
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11/10

4:25 PM


221 Houston Texans
222 Arizona Cardinals
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56%
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45%
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[TD="class: pct"] 63%
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 40
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4:25 PM


223 Denver Broncos
224 San Diego Chargers
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8:30 PM


225 Dallas Cowboys
226 New Orleans Saints
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8:40 PM


227 Miami Dolphins
228 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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57%
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41
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41
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41
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41
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41
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41
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Packers have flipped from a 1 point dog to a 1 point fave in the past few minutes.

:thinking:
 
A little reverse line movement....according to all the people that claim this shit is real "80% of all bets have come in on Seattle but the line has plummeted!"....cue NBAfan saying this shit is real or you are a moron. Im split on it personally.


um first of all its not 80%

second of all i never said if you dont believe it that you're a moron... nor have I ever called someone a moron for their style of capping

third of all... its just one factor... its much more important to look for "shady lines"

the linemakers have to put a line out there... and the seahawks are not that great on the road and the falcons are tremendously better at home.... an opening line of 6.5 is very strong for the seahawks imo...
 
but they opened as a three pt fav

you don't think it's possible that some big movers dumbed it down? Foles off one of the greatest games of all time and Seneca Wallace the worst backup in the league and now the Pack are back to being favored? 75% on Iggles from your own numbers above. Smells fishy to me...
 
you don't think it's possible that some big movers dumbed it down? Foles off one of the greatest games of all time and Seneca Wallace the worst backup in the league and now the Pack are back to being favored? 75% on Iggles from your own numbers above. Smells fishy to me...

yes thats exactly what im saying

and thats the ML column, not ats
 
Packers have flipped from a 1 point dog to a 1 point fave in the past few minutes.

:thinking:

i took them +105 when it was there..dont care who qb is really, i think they will straight wear philly down with the run gm..
 
When I got up this morning was able to get 1.5 with the Packers. So it's been steamed in the last two hours or so.
 
Thoughts on the Bills game

This is typically the kind of game the Bills lose, short lined road game off a tough home loss. At the same time the Steelers D is a shell of what they once were. EJ's first game back so I would think the offense gets to 20 points at least. Spillers/FJax feeling the best they have and were both off the injury report. Likely no Woods today but Goodwin will play. Steelers run D is horrid, I have a hard time seeing them shutting the Bills run game down. At the same time I could see the Bills defense allowing some big plays in the passing game with Ben's ability to extend plays. Line is dropping now sitting at 42.5, Bills tt at 20.5 I think it could be tight but I wouldn't play the under in any fashion.....
 
Thoughts on the Bills game

This is typically the kind of game the Bills lose, short lined road game off a tough home loss. At the same time the Steelers D is a shell of what they once were. EJ's first game back so I would think the offense gets to 20 points at least. Spillers/FJax feeling the best they have and were both off the injury report. Likely no Woods today but Goodwin will play. Steelers run D is horrid, I have a hard time seeing them shutting the Bills run game down. At the same time I could see the Bills defense allowing some big plays in the passing game with Ben's ability to extend plays. Line is dropping now sitting at 42.5, Bills tt at 20.5 I think it could be tight but I wouldn't play the under in any fashion.....

spiller over 65.5 -130 looks too easy
 
had to take the under in chi town.. just numbers gm, total was 50 when they played in det, granted went over and i played over in that gm but typically this series higher scoring in det for obvious reasons.. i made this 47-51 so at 52 and being higher than it was lined in det with cutler coming off injury and a gm both teams would be well served to rush a lot i had to play it. even tho feels scary, right or wrong i perceive value..
 
spiller over 65.5 -130 looks too easy

Only concern would be if they decide to run more screens, which finally were part of the game plan last week. I do think that's a pretty solid prop wager as he could easily break off a big one this week.
 
spiller over 65.5 -130 looks too easy

I like it too but I am holding off because we really don't know the status of Spillers ankle. If he tweaks it again, he could be on the sideline
 
they said he is 100%

I watched the last game and I'm not buying that. A couple of occasions he looked a bit gimpy to me. He may be alright but the fact he's just coming off this injury adds too much risk to the prop for me. GL if you play it
 
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