YoungGun11
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Hey fellas I have been out the game for awhile, putting my sports cap on the shelf for my handicapping cap. I have been meaning to post this thread for quite some time, and hope to open new ideas to those who aren't familiar with horse racing. At the end I will attach some of my tickets as examples.
The reason why horse racing is the best gambling on earth is as follows. Knowledge is key! You can be as smart and knowledgeable as any one in the world and still not have the inside knowledge of Vegas and the linesmakers. Of course there is exceptions IMO like Gamehunter and Rex but they only bring the playing field closer to even than the average joe and vegas. In horse racing, your knowledge is what brings you money like any other sports bet, however your knowledge isn't against the house or against some machine that factors every little thing, your knowledge is directly against other players. The more you know the more you make, and all it takes is one horse in a sequence that no one else got to, to win a ton of money.
For those of you who only do sports, and have never tried horse racing we look at the same things you guys do. Past races (games) trainer stats, jockey stats, trainer/jockey combos, class (experience), some horses like to go long, others like to go short. There is so much out there to truly analyze and study it is incredible. There is nothing like watching a 2 minute horse race and watching the race develop just as you had planned. Sometimes there is a lot of horses who only want to run on the front, so you want to find the one horse who can come from behind and close. While other times, none of the horses want the lead, so you try to find the one horse who can get the lead. The options of horse racing are endless. I have been reading the racing form since I was 12 and am now 27. This year alone I have wagered over 40k in bets. I am by no means a big wig, and I think that 40k in wagers was based off an initial $2500 deposit. If you love analyzing sports, you will like horse racing more and it is far more consistent than that one interception or fumble returned for a TD you couldn't ever expect.
I am not sure what the goal of this post is, but I have had a desire to teach people the game and get them truly excited in it. I am not looking for any money or any reward just want to network and share knowledge and tendencies. The past couple weeks I have wagered every day, and not every day is a successful one. Sometimes I bet $100 and win the bet but only get back $40. Other times I bet $30 and get back $2900.
I would challenge any sports enthusiast to show me a wager or parlay he can bet 5 games (5 races) and win Thousands. Attached are just some of the tickets I have played. My focus is usually on the larger tracks, with larger pools. I personally like to play the "exotics" I am not a win better. I play pick 4's and pick 5's solely. I try to find the winner of 5 races in a row. If I get one race wrong, I am out. No questions as just like a parlay. Despite not being a win bettor, I do choose horses called a single. A single is a race where I use only one horse to win that race. The best part about this sequence there is some races where I may have 5 horses out of 8 to win. You don't just have to use just one horse. Every horse you use adds to the cost of the ticket. Each ticket is .50 cents usually.
Examples pick 4 ticket. 4/3/1/4.
Race 1: 4 horses
Race 2: 3 horses
Race 3: 1 horse
Race 4: 4 horses.
Ticket total 4x3x4=$48 however it is a .5 cent wager so $24. You potentially get to watch 4 races (2 hours entertainment) for $24 and make much more than if you bet $8 per race to win on one horse.
Here are some of my successful tickets over the past few months.
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This was a rare score earlier in the year at Santa Anita. I handicapped all the races and my ticket was far too expensive. I decided that I couldn't afford to use the 8 horses I originally had in the 1st leg. Since it was 2 year olds, I figured I would trust the barn money. Basically I trusted the people betting, and used the 2 favorites the 3 and the 12. Then in the other legs which were wide open I used a ton of horses, and got home horses that no one else saw. In the last leg I used one horse the 14 horse. This was a Maiden race (means none have ever won) The horse I chose my "single" was the class of the field. AKA he had been running in races where he wasn't for sale. No one could buy him during the race. He now enters a race where he could be purchased which is a large "class drop" as all the other horses had been running races where they had been for sale. The horse I chose had been showing early speed in better races and was dying, this race I figured if he could carry that speed a bit further against worse horses he could win. I picture it as if a 2nd grader is playing with the 5th graders and then goes back to the second graders hopefully he can play a little better against them, even if his skill is still the same. Boom show me, where in sports you can win $2900 on a $36 wager.
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This is a bit more expensive which hurts the Return on investment. This was during the Triple Crown as normally I wouldn't play Pimlico, but like I said I chase big pools and big tracks. With Pharoah running I knew I would be in with a big pool and lots of uneducated money being funneled into that pool. I try to play two tickets with 2 different "singles" lucky for me. Both my singles were right, so I won the ticket twice. Playing two tickets is high risk high reward. I could hit both singles and win, or lose both. However I usually want one ticket to win, and in the other race where I singled I want a bomber horse no one used to win. You can see on both tickets there is 3 races I used the same horses, and am able to use quite a few horses without it being too much.
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Here is another pick 5, my single was in the first leg then I used 5 horses, 4 horses, 6 horses, and 2 horses. The payouts will vary. If there is 100k in the pool and 100 people win you get 1k, That is why it is so key to find the races where you think the vulnerable is favorite. Which is no different than sports, you find the line you think is weak, and you try to beat it. You find the horse you think is strongest and you single it.
I have no idea where I intend to go with those post. I would love to get an email chain going of guys who love horses from beginners to self touted experts (which I am not). I love the game, I love the horses, I find the analysis of it far more intriguing than the gambling which is true. I want to find a career somehow some day and run with this, but for now I have limited options other than to network and discuss the game I love with others.
If anyone has any questions PM and I will respond to you with any question or comment you have. I have access to all of the Daily Racing Forms and are more than willing to share. I am not selling or touting shit, other than the game of horse racing and how profitable it can be. Beating Vegas is hard, beating someone betting the horses based their look and name.
YoungGun11 (typed while at work, and a rare day off from handicapping to recoup. I apologize for errors as I am sure there are plenty)
The reason why horse racing is the best gambling on earth is as follows. Knowledge is key! You can be as smart and knowledgeable as any one in the world and still not have the inside knowledge of Vegas and the linesmakers. Of course there is exceptions IMO like Gamehunter and Rex but they only bring the playing field closer to even than the average joe and vegas. In horse racing, your knowledge is what brings you money like any other sports bet, however your knowledge isn't against the house or against some machine that factors every little thing, your knowledge is directly against other players. The more you know the more you make, and all it takes is one horse in a sequence that no one else got to, to win a ton of money.
For those of you who only do sports, and have never tried horse racing we look at the same things you guys do. Past races (games) trainer stats, jockey stats, trainer/jockey combos, class (experience), some horses like to go long, others like to go short. There is so much out there to truly analyze and study it is incredible. There is nothing like watching a 2 minute horse race and watching the race develop just as you had planned. Sometimes there is a lot of horses who only want to run on the front, so you want to find the one horse who can come from behind and close. While other times, none of the horses want the lead, so you try to find the one horse who can get the lead. The options of horse racing are endless. I have been reading the racing form since I was 12 and am now 27. This year alone I have wagered over 40k in bets. I am by no means a big wig, and I think that 40k in wagers was based off an initial $2500 deposit. If you love analyzing sports, you will like horse racing more and it is far more consistent than that one interception or fumble returned for a TD you couldn't ever expect.
I am not sure what the goal of this post is, but I have had a desire to teach people the game and get them truly excited in it. I am not looking for any money or any reward just want to network and share knowledge and tendencies. The past couple weeks I have wagered every day, and not every day is a successful one. Sometimes I bet $100 and win the bet but only get back $40. Other times I bet $30 and get back $2900.
I would challenge any sports enthusiast to show me a wager or parlay he can bet 5 games (5 races) and win Thousands. Attached are just some of the tickets I have played. My focus is usually on the larger tracks, with larger pools. I personally like to play the "exotics" I am not a win better. I play pick 4's and pick 5's solely. I try to find the winner of 5 races in a row. If I get one race wrong, I am out. No questions as just like a parlay. Despite not being a win bettor, I do choose horses called a single. A single is a race where I use only one horse to win that race. The best part about this sequence there is some races where I may have 5 horses out of 8 to win. You don't just have to use just one horse. Every horse you use adds to the cost of the ticket. Each ticket is .50 cents usually.
Examples pick 4 ticket. 4/3/1/4.
Race 1: 4 horses
Race 2: 3 horses
Race 3: 1 horse
Race 4: 4 horses.
Ticket total 4x3x4=$48 however it is a .5 cent wager so $24. You potentially get to watch 4 races (2 hours entertainment) for $24 and make much more than if you bet $8 per race to win on one horse.
Here are some of my successful tickets over the past few months.
View attachment 39126
This was a rare score earlier in the year at Santa Anita. I handicapped all the races and my ticket was far too expensive. I decided that I couldn't afford to use the 8 horses I originally had in the 1st leg. Since it was 2 year olds, I figured I would trust the barn money. Basically I trusted the people betting, and used the 2 favorites the 3 and the 12. Then in the other legs which were wide open I used a ton of horses, and got home horses that no one else saw. In the last leg I used one horse the 14 horse. This was a Maiden race (means none have ever won) The horse I chose my "single" was the class of the field. AKA he had been running in races where he wasn't for sale. No one could buy him during the race. He now enters a race where he could be purchased which is a large "class drop" as all the other horses had been running races where they had been for sale. The horse I chose had been showing early speed in better races and was dying, this race I figured if he could carry that speed a bit further against worse horses he could win. I picture it as if a 2nd grader is playing with the 5th graders and then goes back to the second graders hopefully he can play a little better against them, even if his skill is still the same. Boom show me, where in sports you can win $2900 on a $36 wager.
View attachment 39129
This is a bit more expensive which hurts the Return on investment. This was during the Triple Crown as normally I wouldn't play Pimlico, but like I said I chase big pools and big tracks. With Pharoah running I knew I would be in with a big pool and lots of uneducated money being funneled into that pool. I try to play two tickets with 2 different "singles" lucky for me. Both my singles were right, so I won the ticket twice. Playing two tickets is high risk high reward. I could hit both singles and win, or lose both. However I usually want one ticket to win, and in the other race where I singled I want a bomber horse no one used to win. You can see on both tickets there is 3 races I used the same horses, and am able to use quite a few horses without it being too much.
View attachment 39130
Here is another pick 5, my single was in the first leg then I used 5 horses, 4 horses, 6 horses, and 2 horses. The payouts will vary. If there is 100k in the pool and 100 people win you get 1k, That is why it is so key to find the races where you think the vulnerable is favorite. Which is no different than sports, you find the line you think is weak, and you try to beat it. You find the horse you think is strongest and you single it.
I have no idea where I intend to go with those post. I would love to get an email chain going of guys who love horses from beginners to self touted experts (which I am not). I love the game, I love the horses, I find the analysis of it far more intriguing than the gambling which is true. I want to find a career somehow some day and run with this, but for now I have limited options other than to network and discuss the game I love with others.
If anyone has any questions PM and I will respond to you with any question or comment you have. I have access to all of the Daily Racing Forms and are more than willing to share. I am not selling or touting shit, other than the game of horse racing and how profitable it can be. Beating Vegas is hard, beating someone betting the horses based their look and name.
YoungGun11 (typed while at work, and a rare day off from handicapping to recoup. I apologize for errors as I am sure there are plenty)
. Like I said I enjoy the handicapping and analysis for the hour or 4 before the races just as much as I enjoy watching the race itself. As CTG appears at least to me to be becoming more of a site that has gamblers and wants to talk sports but also to talk about anything at all, and seems to be expanding from a place like covers to a wide variety of topics, why not try to bring horses to the forefront. People don't realize analyzing a horse race and their past performances is no different than analyzing sports. Also horses are incredibly consistent with their performances and tendencies, but that is all changed when you throw in different surfaces and or trainers. 
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