Opening Day April 1st , 2007

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Breaking it down briefly
Opening Day 2007 MLB

In looking at this matchup at first glance it could appear that Carpenter and STL are cheaper then expected. You have the World Champs at home with there stud on the mound and they have won 14 of his 19 home starts with a 1.75 ERA. After looking at this from every angle I uncovered some interesting trends. On the surface you have both teams aces dealing after excellent springs which they both proved they are ready for 6 or 7 innings at least on Sunday. The Cards were 55-33 at home including the postseason so why just -140 or why does 140 seem low to me ?

Truth is alot of thing stick out here that you had to look for. In 2006 the Cardinals struggled when opposing a LHP SP. Which I feel has alot to do with emergence of Chris Duncan. Duncan a young LH power hitter will have his struggles vs LHP. They finished the regular season 27-37 vs LHP(4-3 in postseason). They did go 14-16 at home vs LHP in the regular season which left them at 9-18 vs LHP away. Suprisingly they were only 54-63 at nite. Which means they were 40-20 in daylight. The Mets were a solid 49-36 away including postseason. They were a sound 77-48 vs RHP including postseason and 66-50 at nite. All minor factors that seem to indicate NY has the edge.

The Mets have the chance to get some revenge on STL for defeating them in the NLCS and thwarting there World Series aspirations. For St.Louis it will be all fun and games due to the fact its Opening nite and they are raising the World Series banner. It doesnt get better. So while I dont really deal in revenge I think distracted could be a fair word here for this situation.

The Mets were 12-5 in Glavine's away starts. Looking at the stats you wont be impressed by his 4.72 away ERA. You have to dig deeper though and realize its a hand full of starts skewing his numbers. You also most factor in that Glavine pitched pretty solid @ Busch during the 06 regular season. Him being LH certainly is a huge plus when looking at STL lineup and track record. He also was 8-2 last season with a mid 2's ERA at the end of May last season. He has pitched better at nite then during the day last 2 seasons.

While Carpenter is one of the best game the Mets ability to hit RHP cant go unnoticed especially if we recall that he didnt look that sharp in the NCLS which to be fair were road games. The Mets have two RH bats in Wright and LoDuca who hit well above 300 vs RHP. That is rare. Newcomer Moises Alou has good career numbers vs Carpenter and hit 285 vs RHP last season. There worst hitter vs RH is Green who hit only mid 260's in that situation as a Met last season. Beltran , Delgado , Reyes and Valentin all hit .280 + something. At nite Carpenter 's ERA was a full run higher at 3.40 compared to 2.40. The bottomline is the best chance to hit Carpenter is march a bunch of LH sticks out there which NY can( LHB hit about .265BAA past 2 seasons). He is death on RHB(about .205 BAA) the fact that NYM can boast three that succeed vs RH is a plus though. Again not major factors but sutile pluses for NYM.

The bottomline is STL hasnt hit much this Spring while adding Kennedy to replace Belliard which is a negative here IMO and NYM is just beginning to swing well. I would not expect much offense in this game as both SP seem to be in regular season form already. I know Glavine has pitched 6 shutout innings and Carpenter 7 shutout innings telling us they can at least go that deep at peak performance. The pens are questions marks but for possibly 2 innings with a day off secheduled on Monday I am not that concerned. I see a low scoring game here that NY wins by a run. The Cards failed to break 3 runs in 14 of 30 at home vs LHP( or 4 runs in 18 of 30).


Trends
Mets are 37-16 in their last 53 games vs. a right-handed starter
Mets are 36-17 in Glavine's last 53 starts
Cardinals are 38-13 in Carpenter's last 51 home starts


Plays :

New York Mets +135 {3.5units}ARL -1.5 +200 {.75unit}
Under 8 +105 {2units}

Wind: 17 mph, Out to RF.

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Thanks renew. Not sure what baseball book to use myself. I guess sometime tmrw will we see the line start popping up everywhere . GL

Thanks Hunt. Its gonna be tough to get me to see value in Kazmir. Naturally most of the members here know how big a Yankee fan I am. I dont think the price dictates value in the dog. We have the ongoing smear Carl Pavano going which is a plus in the gambling world cause he is automatically undervalued and has no expectations placed on him. I wont say he has looked good this Spring but he is throwing strikes and thats all you ask. The Yanks pen is deep if he goes 6 innings. You have the whole Corey Lidle thing going that day with his wife throwing out the 1st pitch. While he isnt a long time Yank he did go way back with Jason Giambi so at least for him this game should have extra, extra significance.

As far as TB they went 20-60 last season on the road which followed a season with 27 wins. They simply dont travel well. The lineup isnt impressive as some make it. Baldelli and Crawford are stars . Young will be a star and has hit already except like Baldelli w/o much power. The rest is Wigginton , Cantu (who actually battled to make the team) , Norton and then guys like Zobrist ( who hit well this spring) , Ikawura who has struggled and Navarro if he is healthy.

Factor into that the Kazmir is being babied by TB after being shutdown early last season. Dont think he has been stretched out this spring . I would be suprised if he went more then 5 innings. So you have NY vs the TB pen...and they sent down Orvella..?? Wont go as far as to say I LOVE NYY but I really prefer them.....

Now I do like KC cause Meche has had success vs Boston and Schilling issues @ KC past 2 starts. So that price has value IMO.....the sleeper dog is with out a doubt the BALTIMORE ORIOLES...Now let me say that I have to look alot closer at this but I cant see how I dont play them. do know O's on the road vs LHP was awful like 5-20! Its sad that Payton is out cause that would be a plus. Just dont see why I would back Santana in that spot. Of course he was undefeated at home in 2006 so why not lose the 1st home start of 2006. He showed last spring outing IMO that he still isnt sharp and he is the KING of slow starts....work to do still....
 
yeah, Bedard has good value, but Johan just simply does not lose at home.

Meche might be the best dog IMO.

Good point on Kazmir being on a possible pitch count, and the Lidle factor.
 
100% agree about the Orioles. They'll definitely be a play on opening day. Santana and Webb are both notoriously slow starers. Probably going to lay off a side on opening night and play the under as well. Actually I'm a degenerate and I'll probably be on the Cards, but that's another story. :)
 
Forget Santana for a second....cause he did lose his last start at
Dome or at least his team did.

Right now I think Bedard is clearly better then Kazmir , I think NYY is clearly tougher at home then Minny and TB is weaker then Balt offensively. So the reason people wont fade Santana is his home streak but its start #1 of the season the weakest you get Johan Santana. Look at his 1st 3 starts last season and his subpar opening start at the Dome vs NY which the Twins won 6-5.

<TABLE class=data cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR class=datarow><TD>4/15/2006</TD><TD>NYY </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>ND</TD><TD>6-5</TD><TD>W -131</TD><TD>O 9</TD><TD>6.1</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>14.2</TD><TD>0.67</TD></TR><TR class=datarow><TD>4/9/2006</TD><TD>@ CLE </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>L</TD><TD>2-3</TD><TD>L -117</TD><TD>U 8</TD><TD>5.1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>18.8</TD><TD>0.83</TD></TR><TR class=datarow><TD>4/4/2006</TD><TD>@ TOR </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>L</TD><TD>3-6</TD><TD>L 121</TD><TD>O 7</TD><TD>5.2</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>17.3</TD><TD>0.75</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=data cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR class=datarow><TD>4/20/2005</TD><TD>KC </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>ND</TD><TD>5-4</TD><TD>W -340</TD><TD>O 8</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>14.3</TD><TD>0.57</TD></TR><TR class=datarow><TD>4/15/2005</TD><TD>@ CLE </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>W</TD><TD>3-2</TD><TD>W -160</TD><TD>U 7.5</TD><TD>6.0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2 </TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>17.0</TD><TD>0.40</TD></TR><TR class=datarow><TD>4/10/2005</TD><TD>CHW </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>W</TD><TD>5-2</TD><TD>W -163</TD><TD>U 7.5</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2 </TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>108</TD><TD>15.4</TD><TD>1.50</TD></TR><TR class=datarow><TD>4/5/2005</TD><TD>@ SEA </TD><TD>S </TD><TD>W</TD><TD>8-4</TD><TD>W -163</TD><TD>O 7.5</TD><TD>5.0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>18.6</TD><TD>8.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Basically if anyone entertained the Rays the O's have much more value. Santana's chance & Pavano's chance of throwing 6 innings and allowing 2 runs IMO is equal and maybe Pavano's chances are better.....

Food for thought......my biggest concern is Balt on the road vs LHP...
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You guys got major cajones going against santana at home, but I'd wait and see if that baby gets above 200.
 
You guys got major cajones going against santana at home, but I'd wait and see if that baby gets above 200.


I dont see how or why. The object is to find where perception is ahead of reality. Clearly while we all know that Santana is a slow starter he gets the same amount of respect he would post all-star break. The past 2 years he struggled out of the gates and didnt even complete 6 innings till start # 3 last year so why pay for him if you are not getting peak performance???

Even fantasy sites are on to his slow starts...

Johan Santana gave up four runs in five innings Wednesday to finish the spring with a 2.62 ERA.

It was his third start against the Red Sox this spring. With 14 walks in 24 innings, Santana did have command issues this spring. He's already seems well on his way to his typical mediocre first month or two of the season. But even if he has a 4.00 ERA on May 15, he should still be considered the Cy Young favorite


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so monday's card we are strictly looking at as a value perspective? no situations to note?
 
so monday's card we are strictly looking at as a value perspective? no situations to note?


Early on I basically take my opinion versus the line offered. As far as situations go its opening day so not sure how we can use that type edge...mostly perception based early IMO.....
 
Early on I basically take my opinion versus the line offered. As far as situations go its opening day so not sure how we can use that type edge...mostly perception based early IMO.....

reason i ask situations is in the NBA this year the first week of the season had the playoff rivals of last year play each other. i noticed that those teams that lost the series in the last years playoffs where the ones who covered.

again i dont know if the comparison can be made cross sports but i think it goes w/o saying athletes hate losing to the same athletes again and again.
 
Baseball is just a different animal. I do agree with the comment since in some ways that plays into NYM vs STL. Even in todays game for the most part you dealing with players at about 80% of peak in April. Very few players start the season in so called reg season form. It takes time especially with pitchers arm strength that might not be there for weeks and hitters need time to get there 'timing' down. So the situational part along with the 162 schedule really dont over ephasize April situations. Rematches can provide for an interesting series and motivation just wouldnt key in on that now.
 
april is shit for situations imo it is mostly a guessing game and you really have to keep up with the day to day activities.
 
I would play Bedard over Kazmir..

I entertained the thought of playing the O's as dogs vs. Johan but havent pulled the trigger..

As nut already pointed out, if you are going to go against Johan, now is the time as he doesnt have his best stuff in April
 
After thinking about this game a little bit more..

I would play the Mutts +125 if anything here..
 
The opening day line that sticks out to me is why are the Braves only +101 against Myers and the Phils at home? Seems low to me. Now I just have to look into it deeper and figure out if thats the sucker bet, or if I'm onto something...
 
Cant say that I have gone through all the Opening Day lineups. Smoltz vs Myers I would have thought would be about -120 . Myers if I recall struggles in the bandbox and Smoltz is dicey cause he cant ever control his emotions. See his 1st start vs Fla when he returned to the rotation 2 seasons ago....gasoline!! Just havent looked closely enough to comment...:cheers:
 
If you are home and want to learn. Watch Sowers pitch against STL...Though not really anything like Tom Glavine he is a LHP and facing STL starting lineup....research 101is in session.....
 
Hey SNut,

I agree that Bedard is in a nice spot. Santana has had control issues this Spring. 14 walks in 24 innings or 1 every 1.71 innings. Last spring he was at 1 every 2.3 innings. He also averaged almost 2k's per inning in 2006 grapefruit while this year he was just under 1 an inning.
 
EStreet -

Now starting to dig into the Opening Day card. Still have to decide if I should go forward with NYM & Under tmrw. What really scares me about the play is Balt's pitiful performance against LHP on the road last season and Payton's absence. I dont think lines should be based so heavily on SP early and clearly you are paying for Johan Santana when you are lucky to get Andy Pettitte. I have some dogs lined up just a matter of how much I prefer them.....Good Luck E:cheers:
 
"There are a lot of potential distractions and a lot of ways to lose your concentration," he said, alluding to scheduled pre-game ceremonies. "But there isn't anybody out there pitching in either league that's better than he is." LaRussa comments

"We have a chance to be a much deeper and much more talented rotation than a lot of people give us credit for," said Glavine, who's 10-2 with a 3.94 ERA over 18 career starts in St. Louis.
 
Nut I am really liking the Mets, always tough to fade Carp but feel like its a pretty good spot
 
The number has gone over 8, 6/7 times in the opener ever since MLB went to a 1 game opener.

The only time it went under was when Colon shutout the Angels 6-0.

Leaning towards the Mets and the Over.
 
Thanks KMacc , Sparky and Popcorn : Good Luck tonite

T-dot : Thats interesting. Is the one under the Pedro vs Baltimore start ?? I do recall some crazy starts though Sabathia vs the Sox was something like 12-2 but didnt this include some Tokyo Dome games...namely the Mets / Cubs I believe where s a 4-4 game had an extra inning Grand Slam or something and the Yanks vs Rays...Personally since there are different situations I will overlook this trend..BOL
 
Sportsnut...tonight we have the reigning NL Champs at home with their ace on the mound and everyone and their mothers seems to be on the Mets. This can't be a good thing...can it?

Anyway, have a great season, and since I will certainly be tailing you a lot, please make sure to post your plays early and often! :cheers:
 
Sportsnut...tonight we have the reigning NL Champs at home with their ace on the mound and everyone and their mothers seems to be on the Mets. This can't be a good thing...can it?

Anyway, have a great season, and since I will certainly be tailing you a lot, please make sure to post your plays early and often! :cheers:


When the flock only sees one side only its troublesome. This has nothing to do with fading the public theories cause discerning a public play IMO has more to do with betting %'s. Its about perception. I thought everyone would be on the Cards for sure. Am I concerned...YES. My point of view was the game was a coin flip and that warranted a play on the dog...

Looking at this up and down I believe the correct line here was -145. It didnt open there which was suprising but its basically been around that #.

Gonna stick to my guns and hope my read on the matchup was right. The Cards performance vs Sowers yesterday was concerning since he is LH. Hopefully playing in teh Civil Rights game yesterday and all the festivies that follow tonite distract StL enough...Glavine has had terrific success @ Busch Stadium(mostly old Busch) and after a poor Spring I think NY wants to answer the bell and being a vet team they can more easily flip the switch IMHO.

Its game 1 be comfortable with the play more then anything with a whole slew of games tmrw...
 
Okay I am in. Going to stick with my original thoughts despite some odd movement and etc...I do NOT believe SportsInsights numbers that show 56% of the action on NY cause yesterday it had at one point about 60% on STL and I dont believe there was a flood of action on NY yesterday that caused a flip from STL 60% to NYM 60% in a metter of hours....just my opinion....

BOL....its Opening Nite try to enjoy W or L!
 
Thanks KMacc , Sparky and Popcorn : Good Luck tonite

T-dot : Thats interesting. Is the one under the Pedro vs Baltimore start ?? I do recall some crazy starts though Sabathia vs the Sox was something like 12-2 but didnt this include some Tokyo Dome games...namely the Mets / Cubs I believe where s a 4-4 game had an extra inning Grand Slam or something and the Yanks vs Rays...Personally since there are different situations I will overlook this trend..BOL


MLB started going to 1 game on the opener since 98' or 99'. Since then, the only number that has gone under 7 was a Shutout pitched by Colon vs. the Angels.
 
Okay I misread it the 1st time....that really doesnt influence me much. Iowuld have to know runs scored versus the totals...BOL
 
Sheets and the BrewCrew tommorow. Milwaukee gets pumped for opening day. Sheets is back and healthy. I say 7IP 2ER Brewers win 5-3. What do you think about that game Sportsnut?
 
Pretty much on MILW just havent begun to dig into yet....get back to ya......


Wind: 17 mph, Out to RF. Due to this I shaved 1 unit on my under play and downgraded it to 2 units
 
6 more outs.......I like watching the Mets its the damn NY media and division of fan base that irks me...
 
Okay thats it for 2007 , I retire!

Plays : 2-0 +8.33 units

New York Mets +135 {3.5units} +4.73

ARL -1.5 +200 {.75unit} +1.50
Under 8 +105 {2units} +2.10
 
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