Oh, I see... Auburn...
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This is laughable and ridiculous
Auburn has to be the worst when it comes to accepting not winning. I wonder to what extent this shenanigan is a way to cope with an upcoming losing season
Big time
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
There's one bad one, 1941. It's a ridiculous claim. The rest are either pre-poll Rose Bowl wins, UPI/Coaches, AP, BCS or CFP. Every school would and does claim those. The issue comes from the era when national titles were named before the bowl games, so there are a couple where Alabama lost the bowl game after being named champion. Pretty sure every program would still claim those, but maybe not. Alabama also has 3 undefeated seasons where they don't claim a title even though the accepted champion has a loss and/or ties.
Claiming titles in years where there is a universally accepted championship game that you didn't play in is wild. Or when they were on probation
twinkie13
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Pageantry. Doesn’t Kentucky claim one, maybe?
I know there were some “split” titles in my short time on this planet. They have a crystal ball in Baton Rouge that says National Champ and some team in California had the media behind them( I know…crazy right?) and they get to hang a newspaper on the wall.
I know there were some “split” titles in my short time on this planet. They have a crystal ball in Baton Rouge that says National Champ and some team in California had the media behind them( I know…crazy right?) and they get to hang a newspaper on the wall.
s--k
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I will say nationally the SEC did not get the coverage or even respect t it does now in 2003. And those years USC was everyone’s darling.
For me there is one national champion for 2003 and it’s LSU. But the AP had voted #1 and had long been in the business of determining who is the best at the end of the year. Claiming an AP #1 even when the BCS has a different isn’t egregious based on history. Really it was more of the media protesting an injustice of the system, something media always likes to do.
For me there is one national champion for 2003 and it’s LSU. But the AP had voted #1 and had long been in the business of determining who is the best at the end of the year. Claiming an AP #1 even when the BCS has a different isn’t egregious based on history. Really it was more of the media protesting an injustice of the system, something media always likes to do.
twinkie13
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Thank you for having a memory kind sir!
s--k
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I will add now the growth of all types of media related to SEC coverage compared to LA or Miami for instance - well even just the size of the region and the number of players involved. The noise and influence now would surely drown out anything from LA. It’s incomprehensible to think that Auburn’s 2004 season would go unrecognized by some major polling service. Times change. Things shift.
s--k
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Thinking about this also reminds me how much I loved the original BCS. The biggest drawback was just having 2 teams when I always supported 4. Anyway, the 6 computers averaged and then the human poll and the speculation how would the computers differ. The computers were just different power rating ranks, a concept I’m sure all of us like. But the humans did not. The computers had too much influence so they added more human weight. And then margin of victory was removed because of haw bad it looks to reward running up the score. Ah, but for a brief moment there was the perfect system if only expanded to a couple more teams. Now we have something I couldn’t give a shit about. But it makes lots of money…
M.W.
Parties like it's 1979
A lot of them.
twinkie13
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Yep. We could have a blended concept that would be perfect like you are alluding to.
Too much greed from the 2 big boys and that’s just the facts. When the SEC and B10 realized they could control college, a lot shifted.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
*One of them. A lot of people will point to 1973 as well, but claiming a coaches poll national championship is something that every school would do and does do. Not that it matters. You can take away the ones that people like to complain about and it's still a healthy number
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
It was really prevalent in the early era of football. It's pretty widely accepted that the media didn't award the championship to Alabama in 1966 (two time defending champion, undefeated, 6 shutouts, etc) partly because the team wasn't integrated yet
s--k
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Overall point being, Auburn deserves criticism especially for the timing if not specifics, but overall many schools have questionable or faulty claims. Auburn wants to stick out their chest and brag about good teams they have to make their program look stronger or better and that is going to draw arrows from everywhere. So they aren't alone is what they have done, but it's certainly different with the announcement and the way social media is and how stories get reported. They can claim whatever they want, people know, or should know, claims of whatever aren't always necessarily true.
Back to the BCS for a moment and how things could've been different vs what they have become. And I don't know if it was preventable, certainly not without some powerful commissioner type person at the NCAA creating frameworks and rules, but we all know the NCAA is neutered and the schools run the show, or well, now, the media companies run the show.
Anyway, what I think about is if the BCS was in place as it was starting in 1998 and we had 4 teams, not 2, and as I've often said, I have only every believed that a conference champion should be eligible or shown to have earned an opportunity to compete for a national title (yes I know how many great teams have won national titles that did not win their conference, for me, I really believe in that prerequisite). Anyway, humor me with the speculation, if that was the system, BCS 4 highest ranked conference champions - then there would have been no mad dash to jump conference to conference because only one team would've ever gone from one conference. Teams would've actually stayed or even moved from larger conferences to smaller ones in order to position themselves, as champions of their league for a seat at the table with 3 others to play it out for the national title. You would've had access to teams ranking 5, 6, 7, 8 qualifying because of other nonconference champions ranked in front of them. That is what I wanted all along.
Not trying to turn this thread into something else and I'm one person with one opinion. I respect everyone who loves the games that are created and the entertainment and all of that, people are free to like or dislike what they want. I just think the whole thing has gone off the rails in terms of the playoff, conference realignment and the greed of chasing revenue and I know I'm not alone in saying that. I never really wanted it to change all that much, so for me it is worse now. Other people they must have wanted something else, they didn't want Texas playing Kansas State annually they wanted Texas or Oklahoma playing 'better' teams more often - and that is what they got. Carry on.
Back to the BCS for a moment and how things could've been different vs what they have become. And I don't know if it was preventable, certainly not without some powerful commissioner type person at the NCAA creating frameworks and rules, but we all know the NCAA is neutered and the schools run the show, or well, now, the media companies run the show.
Anyway, what I think about is if the BCS was in place as it was starting in 1998 and we had 4 teams, not 2, and as I've often said, I have only every believed that a conference champion should be eligible or shown to have earned an opportunity to compete for a national title (yes I know how many great teams have won national titles that did not win their conference, for me, I really believe in that prerequisite). Anyway, humor me with the speculation, if that was the system, BCS 4 highest ranked conference champions - then there would have been no mad dash to jump conference to conference because only one team would've ever gone from one conference. Teams would've actually stayed or even moved from larger conferences to smaller ones in order to position themselves, as champions of their league for a seat at the table with 3 others to play it out for the national title. You would've had access to teams ranking 5, 6, 7, 8 qualifying because of other nonconference champions ranked in front of them. That is what I wanted all along.
Not trying to turn this thread into something else and I'm one person with one opinion. I respect everyone who loves the games that are created and the entertainment and all of that, people are free to like or dislike what they want. I just think the whole thing has gone off the rails in terms of the playoff, conference realignment and the greed of chasing revenue and I know I'm not alone in saying that. I never really wanted it to change all that much, so for me it is worse now. Other people they must have wanted something else, they didn't want Texas playing Kansas State annually they wanted Texas or Oklahoma playing 'better' teams more often - and that is what they got. Carry on.
RetroRetrovk
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I want to congratulate Utah on the 2004 and 2008 national championships
KJ
Minister of Communication
They were the best college football team in 2004, I'm certain of that
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I can attest that the 2008 Utah team was pretty dang good. Saw them up close in New Orleans
KJ
Minister of Communication
This was the precise response I was looking for
Ex and I and another couple went down to Tempe for the game. Scalped $10 tickets lower lever on the corner. Turns out the entire section was owned by an attorney and the tickets were stolen. Of course they could kick us out but there were so many empty seats...the usher just said "go find seats and sit, don't cause problems" and so we did. I don't remember shit about that game other than owning stolen tickets.
KJ
Minister of Communication
By the way Gandy my best ever bowl experience was ISU v Pitt here. It was our first bowl since I had a pulse. Crazy I've been to 5 ISU bowl games, 3 Iowa bowl games (mom fan) and....3 Pitt bowl games. Most enjoyable Pitt game was Larry v Oregon State. First touchdown was a gem.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I think we should go back to pre-BCS. I think all the arguments is one of the things that makes college football great
KJ
Minister of Communication
Guy could own a few skyscrapers here and people will flock
He's brilliant. This is still a relatively new city an Majerle has capitalized. Larry and Booker will likely do the same. Smart business in an unsaturated market. They are both partners in several projects.
KJ
Minister of Communication
It WAS great. Now it's little league NFL and only worth the watch if your team is involved. Don't sugar coat it.
gps_3
Head of Alabama Department of Decision-Making
I liked having the Sugar Bowl be a big deal, even if it wasn't for the championship. I don't necessarily want to go back to an era where we don't get the highest end game we can get, but it's sad that anything short of the BCS/CFP is seen as a failure by so many now, even teams that shouldn't
Two Utes
Manual Toothbrushes FTW
That '04 team was something special. Urban caught lightning in a bottle that year and every player to a man bought into what he was selling.
That '08 team shined against Bama in the bowl game but man they were lucky to pull a few of those regular season games out.
KJ
Minister of Communication
I loved that team. Took a special something to actually get off my ass and go to watch them. Was a crazy night....not something you'd expect from a Utah/Pitt game in Tempe lol. But alas it was fun
That team was something else.
Ole "J picks" was killing it with his insights on the Utes.
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
Exactly.
cubsker
Used to be "Fun Cub"
Dentist, Ohio......that's got to be some sharp talk there.
KJ
Minister of Communication
This could be true. It's a non topic here and ASU obviously holds a bunch of cards
If you see me in public wearing a red hat right now I will help you punch me in the face
s--k
2024 and 2025 CTG Supporting Donation Member
People like KJ and myself are probably in the minority, disenchanted with where things are at. But I see lots of people talking CFB and lots of people who weren’t really into it before are into it now. Some of that is a turn off to me too. I have lots of turnoffs. So I found something different to do. Still like the history and some of the crossover. Still happy to be with you all again this season. Even if KJ is wishing for CBB already before football has even started. I have to ask, did anyone ever talk much college football in Arizona anyway?