NFC Divisional Playoff Discussion: Vikings at Forty-Niners

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Game is at 430 next Saturday in the Bay.

Line seems to have settled around 7.5-45.5
 
I'll say what I said in the last thread

If the vikes can run the ball, and dalvin looks healthy for sure, then they can move the ball, all they need is some kirk play action, it's his om ELIte trait
 
Not sure on their travel plans but if I'm Minnesota I fly straight to SFO and use the raiders facilities this week

Zero reason to go back to minny
 
Don’t think Zimmer will have nearly as much success against shanny. Niners have so many way to pick you apart when sanders, kittle, and that full back are healthy. Granted I was surprised today how they pissed all over saints offense but for my money I’ll take Shanny over Peyton any day of the week when it comes to play design, calling, and adjustments.

On the other side I dunno how much success Vikings offense will have? In that 1st half today anytime Vikings got behind the sticks it was time to punt as cousins the new king of throwing it short of the line to gain. I thought it was unfathomable how saints played so soft on the underneath stuff on early downs. I think you gotta take that shit away and gamble that cousins will make mistakes if he asked to push the ball down field very often. Sure you might get beat a time or 2 but I could live with that more so than letting them stay on schedule for the run game to take over and the clock gets chewed.,
 
Ford and Kwon are expected to play. The defense that was dominant and carried them first half of the season appears to be all back. Kirk was amazing vs the blitz today. The 9ers don’t need to blitz to achieve immediate pressure.

9ers stop the run and they win easily. To beat the 9ers you need speedy QBs giving the WRs enough time to get open. They struggled mightily vs Wilson twice, Murray twice, and LJax. Other than that they’ve pretty much dominated everyone.

Shanahan loves Kirk. But he has to know his weaknesses in and out. This wide front is similar to the Eagles and that scheme destroyed the Vikings a couple years back.
 
McVay laid out blue print of how to move the ball vs SF week 16. Move the pocket with rollout passes. The Vikes have the personnel and scheme to do it. Of course, SF was a few good men down. Cousins is dead if he’s sitting in the pocket. Jimmy G still worries me, box of chocolates. SF needed the bye more than any team.
 
detroit187 said:
McVay laid out blue print of how to move the ball vs SF week 16. Move the pocket with rollout passes. The Vikes have the personnel and scheme to do it. Of course, SF was a few good men down. Cousins is dead if he’s sitting in the pocket. Jimmy G still worries me, box of chocolates. SF needed the bye more than any team.
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They were down a bunch and came out way too aggressive defensively. Probably because of CJ’s brothers death. And they still won despite getting blown out early.

I wouldn’t bet the 9ers again vs the Hawks here. Vs the Vikes here I expect a wire to wire dominant performance.
 
Minny to New Orleans to Minny to San Francisco all on a short week after an OT win in a game no one thought they could win. Not a good situation.

Niners defense is the healthiest they've been in months and should feast here. Just two games ago this terrible Vikings OL was destroyed at home by the Packers. The Niners are going to eat them alive and we'll see Primetime Kirk make a reappearance with all the pressure he's going to face.
 
They've got great metrics. Out of Pass O, Pass D, Run O, Run D and special teams their worst unit in DVOA is 15th and that's their run offense. Which I would argue with Cook is much better than that. NFL markets these days are moved by the math/metrics guys. Seeing a team like MIN that is this solid in metrics and has only two losses by more than 7 is going to be a bet for the math folks. I happen to think the spot and matchups supersede any math edges MIN might have.
 
As other have said, this is the first time Niners D has been fully healthy since the end of October. Not coincidentally, that is the last time they looked truly dominant. Cook looked great against NO because he was fully rested. Now he and Minny have a short week to go west while a healthy Niners team are physically and emotionally rested. I suspect SF may start slowly, but I don’t think they will have any problem covering the number at all. Kwon Alexander, Ford, and Tart get this D back to being scary. Coming from one of the few people who was on the Vikings moneyline yesterday, I think they have little chance against SF on Saturday.
 
Inspekdah said:
They were down a bunch and came out way too aggressive defensively. Probably because of CJ’s brothers death. And they still won despite getting blown out early.

I wouldn’t bet the 9ers again vs the Hawks here. Vs the Vikes here I expect a wire to wire dominant performance.
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Goff dropped back 46 times, no sacks, one turnover on a pick 6 when Higbee left the game. I understand Rams had a lead early, but it was because they did whatever they wanted offensively predicated on moving the pocket. So this wasnt like the Rams sat on a lead and only passed 20 times etc. Nevetheless, the Vikings would be stupid not to follow the same script. Though like I said, different now with a few good men back in uni. Point is the only chance the Vikings have is if they are successful moving the pocket.
 
detroit187 said:
Goff dropped back 46 times, no sacks, one turnover on a pick 6 when Higbee left the game. I understand Rams had a lead early, but it was because they did whatever they wanted offensively predicated on moving the pocket. So this wasnt like the Rams sat on a lead and only passed 20 times etc. Nevetheless, the Vikings would be stupid not to follow the same script. Though like I said, different now with a few good men back in uni. Point is the only chance the Vikings have is if they are successful moving the pocket.
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I doubt the Vikings would have the same result if they followed the Rams game plan. Remember SF’s schedule the last month was brutal. They were under-manned and tired. SF had the earliest byein the league in week 4. They haven’t had a chance to rest. Now they have had a bye and get significant reinforcements back. I’d expect lots of sacks from SF in this one..
 
TheHbomb said:
I doubt the Vikings would have the same result if they followed the Rams game plan. Remember SF’s schedule the last month was brutal. They were under-manned and tired. SF had the earliest byein the league in week 4. They haven’t had a chance to rest. Now they have had a bye and get significant reinforcements back. I’d expect lots of sacks from SF in this one..
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Precisely why I said nobody needed a bye more than SF.
 
detroit187 said:
Precisely why I said nobody needed a bye more than SF.
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Well, exactly. Don't see any blue print having come from that game. Seattle had 0 points at half vs. the 9ers the following week before Wilson did stuff that Kirk can't.

Tartt's absence was huge. Then you add in Kwon and Ford. The team is essentially getting 3 pro bowlers back for this game that were missing in that Rams game.
 
Inspekdah said:
Ford and Kwon are expected to play. The defense that was dominant and carried them first half of the season appears to be all back. Kirk was amazing vs the blitz today. The 9ers don’t need to blitz to achieve immediate pressure.

9ers stop the run and they win easily. To beat the 9ers you need speedy QBs giving the WRs enough time to get open. They struggled mightily vs Wilson twice, Murray twice, and LJax. Other than that they’ve pretty much dominated everyone.

Shanahan loves Kirk. But he has to know his weaknesses in and out. This wide front is similar to the Eagles and that scheme destroyed the Vikings a couple years back.
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I didn’t even think about shanny knowing cousins so well, good point.

Wilson didn’t really destroy niners the 1st meeting, if I recall correctly a good deal the scoring in that 1st one came curtesy of the defenses. Russ also threw a pick in ot. Second Game they held him in check for 3 qrtts right? Some of that obviously shottenhiemer pathetically conservative play calling. No clue how that guy keeps having a oc job other than respect for his daddy? Guy is awful at his job, they get behind mostly every game with his garbage game plans and it only when he forced to let Russ take over cause they down when Seattle offense looks good.
 
detroit187 said:
McVay laid out blue print of how to move the ball vs SF week 16. Move the pocket with rollout passes. The Vikes have the personnel and scheme to do it. Of course, SF was a few good men down. Cousins is dead if he’s sitting in the pocket. Jimmy G still worries me, box of chocolates. SF needed the bye more than any team.
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I have absolutely no concerns about Jimmy g. The only times I recall him looking bad I don’t think he had the weapons he trust. I can’t recall any bad performances when he had sanders, kittle, and what’s his name (the fb). Obviously having the best play caller in the business a huge help.
 
Niners defense healthy and rested. Vikes will have to keep it going on D to hang here imo especially with Shanahan knowing the Vikes qb so well. Good under spot, took it at 45.5
 
2daBank said:
I have absolutely no concerns about Jimmy g. The only times I recall him looking bad I don’t think he had the weapons he trust. I can’t recall any bad performances when he had sanders, kittle, and what’s his name (the fb). Obviously having the best play caller in the business a huge help.
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Fair enough, everyone loves the Niners this week and we all fading the Vikes.... again. Vikes shouldnt show up again. (of course i think SF wins too)
 
detroit187 said:
Fair enough, everyone loves the Niners this week and we all fading the Vikes.... again. Vikes shouldnt show up again. (of course i think SF wins too)
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I haven't seen quite the initial Niners love that the Saints received.
 
detroit187 said:
Fair enough, everyone loves the Niners this week and we all fading the Vikes.... again. Vikes shouldnt show up again. (of course i think SF wins too)
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I’d feel better about it if I could pin down a score I feel good with for Vikings. Feel I generally do better when this the case, of course I had Vikings score pretty much spot on last week (before ot anyways), I was just way off on saints output. Lol.
 
B.A.R. said:
I haven't seen quite the initial Niners love that the Saints received.
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I think there still a lot of ppl who doubt the niners and I’d assume Vikings winning last week helped changed perception bout them in big games to a extent., I’ve loved niners most the year, really think they the only nfc team equipped to give ravens a game (assuming ravens represent the afc which obviously no given).
 
TheHbomb said:
No, I’m seeing the majority outside of this thread falling in love with the Vikings this week. Lots of Minnesota love out there.
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Kinda cracks me up how easily ppl fall in love with these wc teams cause it last thing they saw. They forget why the ravens and niners were the 1 seeds!
 
I wish I could trust Cousins. There's just no telling which version of him will show up on a given game. After last week I'm not fading MN. They have talent, playoff experience, newly acquired confidence and can certainly play with SF if the Niners aren't on their best.
 
aplous said:
I'm on that Vikings love.
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I don’t think anyone debates Vikings have one of best rosters in football but cousins still not big time in my book, he made a big time throw in ot I’ll give him that but I think saints let him build confidence by leaving the underneath stuff so open in 1st half.

despite how the defense played last week I don’t think it as good as it been previously. One of Zimmer strengths has always been getting very good play out of less than stellar corners/secondary tho. I think that was something many of us overlooked when thinking missing those corners was gonna be a fatal problem for them.

I’ll def admit the fact saints offense had looked so much better the end of this season than last few years and the corners being hurt made me easily dismissive of how well Zimmer defenses have done vs Brees in the past. That was obviously a mistake. I still thought it was saints game at half, the play call they made on 3rd and short the 1st drive after halftime was the 1st time I thought they were in trouble. Still scratching my head on that call. 3rd and 1 and they run that soft little tap pass sweep? At that point I finally said “yep, Zimmer does have these fools number”, lol.

Still think niners are a whole different animal from a matchup/coaching standpoint. I do not envision Zimmer getting the better of shanny in the chess match. For my money shanny best we have from play design and play calling standpoint and they way he utilizes all their weapons makes them almost impossible to defend. What do you take away? And how do you do it without opening up something else?? I really think we often tend to fall in love with these WC teams as I’m sure there a bit of recency bias having just seen them beat usually what thought of as a good team while the top seeds sitting at home. Reality is the teams with byes win this divisional game at a super high clip, up over 75% of the time I believe. Road dogs have been strong this year and maybe bunch of them cover but I feel pretty strongly we won’t see more than one the 1-2 seeds lose.
 
twinkie13 said:
Are you asking if I’m betting?
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I was saying in jest that you’re sub-consciously talking about yourself. Are you on the Niners this week? I think the Niners win, but I think the best betting opportunity is to bet them in the NFC championship, especially if they face Seattle. I don’t see Minnesota winning the game on Saturday.
 
Hearing Diggs missed practice and Thielen had to get stitched up on one of his ankles that got cut during practice hmmmm..
 
2daBank said:
Anyone knocking a guy for banging porn Stars has to be border line Yag imo. What hedro man would not wanna fuck a porn star???!?!!!! I fucked a few girls who shoulda been porn stars but sure would like to try the real thing! You know that some great sex!!!
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Bucket list for me man.

What I meant was the comment about him banging more porn stars than thrown playoff passes. It was a diss about his lack of playoff experience. "Here lies Zeke, he threw a NFL playoff pass" or "Here lies Zeke, he banged a porn star". Toss-up.
 
Zeke said:
Bucket list for me man.

What I meant was the comment about him banging more porn stars than thrown playoff passes. It was a diss about his lack of playoff experience. "Here lies Zeke, he threw a NFL playoff pass" or "Here lies Zeke, he banged a porn star". Toss-up.
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I’ll take jimmy g and lack of experience over cousins all day every day.
 
I'm going to be taking the points & playing ml again. Prob Vikings tt again. I know SF gets defensive players back but to me they have regressed. #1 wr got over on SF the whole 2ndh of the season. Jimmy G 1st playoff start and everyone thinks Cousins will choke. Cook is a tough out and if the run game gets going early for them, Cousins will work play action. Vikings D played a great game last week I think they can force sf into long 3rd situations. I think this is a closely played game and I wouldn't touch the under.
 
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