My prayers are being answered : Sources: Knicks firing Tom Thibodeau as coach after 5 seasons.

survive&advance said:
who do you want them to sign? Thibs was objectively very good in NY
Click to expand...

Eh. There’s no higher ceiling for this team under him. He relies on Brunson to do everything. Thibs is a guy who is hired to have an elite defense. They were awful at guarding the 3 this season. He’s never won much and his greatest known thing is that he ran Rose’s knees into the ground.

That starting 5 is going to win 50 games with anyone.

Kenny Atkinson would have had them in the finals.
 
Inspekdah said:
Eh. There’s no higher ceiling for this team under him. He relies on Brunson to do everything. Thibs is a guy who is hired to have an elite defense. They were awful at guarding the 3 this season. He’s never won much and his greatest known thing is that he ran Rose’s knees into the ground.

That starting 5 is going to win 50 games with anyone.

Kenny Atkinson would have had them in the finals.
Click to expand...
there's no higher ceiling for this team based on the roster IMO. Took down the defending champs and made the ECF was pretty much the ceiling. He had two poor defenders in the starting five, really don't know what you can expect in terms of putting up an elite defense.

Disagree that he's never won much, Chicago and NYK were very good stints. Not sure if he's truly ever had a championship caliber roster...that bulls team was never going to beat the Lebron heat. This NYK roster is good but not championship caliber and certainly didn't have the depth
 
B.A.R. said:
Thibs is an excellent coach.

He's the type that is great to build your team up into a contender.

But, to make that ultimate next step, you need a different coach.

Unfortunately, not many of those around.

Also, he 100% maxed out this rosters potential.
Click to expand...
why though? Isn't fair to say based on your last point that the roster was not championship caliber? Two starters who are limited offensively, two starters who are limited defensively, and Bridges who has capped their roster flexibility. Malone seems like the obvious candidate but he had his weaknesses too, would he be a significant upgrade? maybe. I definitely understand the window is right now and can appreciate the urgency to do something different, i'm just not sure the grass is greener. time will tell!
 
survive&advance said:
who do you want them to sign? Thibs was objectively very good in NY
Click to expand...

You're right, he was objectively "good".

He was very good at playing the starters into the ground ..Then forcing the backups he barely used into valuable playoff minutes/situations ...

He was decent, just painful as a lifelong Knicks and Bills fanatic to watch them both exhaust the starters down the stretch every season with Thibs and McDermott..


Chris Quinn the assistant from the Heat would be at the top of my list presently .
 
survive&advance said:
why though? Isn't fair to say based on your last point that the roster was not championship caliber? Two starters who are limited offensively, two starters who are limited defensively, and Bridges who has capped their roster flexibility. Malone seems like the obvious candidate but he had his weaknesses too, would he be a significant upgrade? maybe. I definitely understand the window is right now and can appreciate the urgency to do something different, i'm just not sure the grass is greener. time will tell!
Click to expand...
Grass definition may not be greener!

I agree.

I wouldn't have fired him, but perhaps there is more to this. Simply could be the minutes he plays guy. Maybe Brunson had something to say?

I always like using these two examples...

Doug Collins takes the Bulls one round further from 1987 to 1988 to 1989. In that last one he lost to Detroit in 6 (they actually led series 2-1).

Fired.

Phil Jackson steps in.

Next example...

Early 2000s Pistons with Rick Carlisle went from 3nd round in 2002 to ECFs in 2003 (swept by New Jersey).

Fired.

Enter Larry Brown.
 
Inspekdah said:
Eh. There’s no higher ceiling for this team under him. He relies on Brunson to do everything. Thibs is a guy who is hired to have an elite defense. They were awful at guarding the 3 this season. He’s never won much and his greatest known thing is that he ran Rose’s knees into the ground.

That starting 5 is going to win 50 games with anyone.

Kenny Atkinson would have had them in the finals.
Click to expand...



Spot on 1000% ..

He's supposed to be a defensive guru , but can't get his players to rotate or close out on 3's ...

It's like Thibs think he's playing NBA 2K with fatigue OFF 🤣🤣🤣

Anyone should be able to win 50 games with these starters ..
 
B.A.R. said:
Grass definition may not be greener!

I agree.

I wouldn't have fired him, but perhaps there is more to this. Simply could be the minutes he plays guy. Maybe Brunson had something to say?

I always like using these two examples...

Doug Collins takes the Bulls one round further from 1987 to 1988 to 1989. In that last one he lost to Detroit in 6 (they actually led series 2-1).

Fired.

Phil Jackson steps in.

Next example...

Early 2000s Pistons with Rick Carlisle went from 3nd round in 2002 to ECFs in 2003 (swept by New Jersey).

Fired.

Enter Larry Brown.
Click to expand...
yep, Jackson/Kerr in GSW too. I do think if they go outside the box it'll change my perception
 
B.A.R. said:
Grass definition may not be greener!

I agree.

I wouldn't have fired him, but perhaps there is more to this. Simply could be the minutes he plays guy. Maybe Brunson had something to say?

I always like using these two examples...

Doug Collins takes the Bulls one round further from 1987 to 1988 to 1989. In that last one he lost to Detroit in 6 (they actually led series 2-1).

Fired.

Phil Jackson steps in.

Next example...

Early 2000s Pistons with Rick Carlisle went from 3nd round in 2002 to ECFs in 2003 (swept by New Jersey).

Fired.

Enter Larry Brown.
Click to expand...
Warriors run too. Jackson got them so far. Kerr came in and they got 4 championships. Also, they went with Curry vs. Monta Ellis if you can believe there was even a question there - but there was back then. So there is precedent for teams that are close. Now, Knicks don't have Curry entering his prime and GOAT territory - and Cleveland, Boston and Indiana will tinker too and be big obstacles (all 3 young, in prime). Time always tells.
 
Clearly they are going to beg Jay Wright and he should ask for 50 million a season; Dolan is dumb enough to give it to him. Somehow Thibs loses his job while the worst GM in Rangers history pizza boy Drury gets an extension; this is why Dolan is as dumb as Woody. For the record I despise the knicks and hope they hire a loser coach.
 
Last edited:
Brewers888 said:
Clearly they are going to beg Jay Wright and he should ask for 50 million a season; Dolan is dumb enought to give it to him. Somehow Thibs loses his job while the worst GM in Rangers history pizza boy Drury gets an extension; this is why Dolan is as dumb as Woody. For the record I despise the knicks and hope they hire a loser coach.
Click to expand...
Opened this post hoping for a pizza boy comment.

-10,000 prop delivers :)
 
Can you please answer those prayers with some Woodbine plays this week while twinspires has a promo there?
 
Pay Day said:
Knick fans forgot what it was like pre Thibs. They will remember. Knicks couldn’t handle success going deeper in playoffs every year. Cut the head off start over. What a joke just like Rangers.
Click to expand...


Had some pretty sad talent on the floor before Thibs ...Those draft picks were hot trash for many years too...

If Thibs was any good this squad would actually play some defense .
 
Last edited:
survive&advance said:
there's no higher ceiling for this team based on the roster IMO. Took down the defending champs and made the ECF was pretty much the ceiling. He had two poor defenders in the starting five, really don't know what you can expect in terms of putting up an elite defense.

Disagree that he's never won much, Chicago and NYK were very good stints. Not sure if he's truly ever had a championship caliber roster...that bulls team was never going to beat the Lebron heat. This NYK roster is good but not championship caliber and certainly didn't have the depth
Click to expand...

I don’t know. Brunson is an MVP level guy. Towns was once a coveted asset and now in NY he’s a goofball who they’re happy to get anything out of. Bridges was worth 5 first round picks. OG is a max player. Josh Hart is probably the best role player in the league.

I think the ceiling for this team with a GREAT coach is much higher.

Didn’t it feel like every play was a struggle for NY? Even inbounding it 70 feet from the hoop.

Need some better design with the offense.

And if Thibs is the coach, the defense needs to be top 3. It’s HIS thing.
 
I like JVG if you’re going off the streets. He’s been with a couple well run staffs and organizations last 2 years in Boston and LAC.

Trading for Spo an option? Seems like his time in Miami needs a fresh face.

Jay Wright? I mean it’s his team…
 
Inspekdah said:
I like JVG if you’re going off the streets. He’s been with a couple well run staffs and organizations last 2 years in Boston and LAC.

Trading for Spo an option? Seems like his time in Miami needs a fresh face.

Jay Wright? I mean it’s his team…
Click to expand...
Spo...

That's an option I didn't think of but I think he needs a new start TBH
 
NY fans are delusional
Grass isn’t always greener. This team wasn’t a championship team, to be quite frank.
Blessed to be in the East
 
Inspekdah said:
I don’t know. Brunson is an MVP level guy. Towns was once a coveted asset and now in NY he’s a goofball who they’re happy to get anything out of. Bridges was worth 5 first round picks. OG is a max player. Josh Hart is probably the best role player in the league.

I think the ceiling for this team with a GREAT coach is much higher.

Didn’t it feel like every play was a struggle for NY? Even inbounding it 70 feet from the hoop.

Need some better design with the offense.

And if Thibs is the coach, the defense needs to be top 3. It’s HIS thing.
Click to expand...
The problem is Brunson and Towns are liabilities on defense. I don’t know if they can be top 3 regardless of coach. Let’s not forget that bench is brutal. Definitely agree there is room for growth with a creative offensive mind but also think they need some roster changes
 
survive&advance said:
The problem is Brunson and Towns are liabilities on defense. I don’t know if they can be top 3 regardless of coach. Let’s not forget that bench is brutal. Definitely agree there is room for growth with a creative offensive mind but also think they need some roster changes
Click to expand...


KAT has the defensive lateral quickness of my grandmother , she passed away 14 years ago
 
I don't know... I don't like the way Thibs plays his starters in to the ground, but I do like the way he keeps his players committed and focused. I doubt Knicks are title material and I think that ECF is their ceiling at the moment with an asterisk that Knicks play in the East, where talent have left the building more than two decades ago.
It's always comes down to simple questions for me:
Does the coach deserve to be fired? The answer is usually no and it goes for all the examples mentioned above me. But not sure it matters - sometimes you don't need better, you just need something new and coach usually the one that pays the price under "something has to change" category.
Would GSW won with Jackson as HC instead of Kerr and so on? We will never know. Sometimes you feel the change that coach made, sometimes it feels more of the same, but one bounce changes everything for a franchise...
Can Knicks win the title/ become legit contenders? Very hard to say. They have maybe best starting unit in the league, but something is missing and maybe it got to do with the question can Brunson be the guy that leads NBA team to a title and can KAT be the 2nd best player on such a team and on both I'm not sure if the answer is yes, despite liking both of them...
 
survive&advance said:
why though? Isn't fair to say based on your last point that the roster was not championship caliber? Two starters who are limited offensively, two starters who are limited defensively, and Bridges who has capped their roster flexibility. Malone seems like the obvious candidate but he had his weaknesses too, would he be a significant upgrade? maybe. I definitely understand the window is right now and can appreciate the urgency to do something different, i'm just not sure the grass is greener. time will tell!
Click to expand...

Isn’t Malone just tibs w a ring? He not letting bench players on the floor if he don’t like them either. I agree w you while I think there fair points about tibs playing guys a lot of minutes I don’t think any coach does any better with this group. Brunson has to have the damn ball for 18 seconds, towns is a pussy 7 footer who wants to be a guard on offense he will never win shit, let’s be real Boston shot New York into the ecf or they woulda been out in 2nd which is where they should be w this group.
 
divol said:
I don't know... I don't like the way Thibs plays his starters in to the ground, but I do like the way he keeps his players committed and focused. I doubt Knicks are title material and I think that ECF is their ceiling at the moment with an asterisk that Knicks play in the East, where talent have left the building more than two decades ago.
It's always comes down to simple questions for me:
Does the coach deserve to be fired? The answer is usually no and it goes for all the examples mentioned above me. But not sure it matters - sometimes you don't need better, you just need something new and coach usually the one that pays the price under "something has to change" category.
Would GSW won with Jackson as HC instead of Kerr and so on? We will never know. Sometimes you feel the change that coach made, sometimes it feels more of the same, but one bounce changes everything for a franchise...
Can Knicks win the title/ become legit contenders? Very hard to say. They have maybe best starting unit in the league, but something is missing and maybe it got to do with the question can Brunson be the guy that leads NBA team to a title and can KAT be the 2nd best player on such a team and on both I'm not sure if the answer is yes, despite liking both of them...
Click to expand...

I like Brunson but more cause his heart than thinking you gonna win it all with him dribbling around probing the d for 18 seconds. Towns is a pussy me thinks and no you not winning jack with the way he plays. If only Brunson was towns size then they might have something! Not sure why the 7 footer who scared of the weight room thinks he should be a gaurd while the little dude banging his way into the paint to get good shots?? Something all kinds of backwards with those 2!!
 
KJ said:
If KAT is on a circadian rhythm day he's a stud. Other than that he's not worthy of the nickname.
Click to expand...

Watching him try and go to rack off the bounce is almost painful. Not much better watching him pose for another bricked 3 he looks half way off balance most the time he takes them. Dude had that one 4th qrtr and that only cause I played his fucking under and thought I was golden after 3 qrtrs and 4 points!
 
Must the times even when he scores 20+ you hardly notice anything besides how awkward he looks acting like he isn’t 30lbs overweight, tall, and slow.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

MistaFlava
MistaFlava's CFB WEEK 2 ***PS2 Power Selections*** (Writeups & Analysis)
Replies
23
Views
2K
RambleOn
RambleOn
Back
Top