Monday Night Football discussion--

[Big Herm]

My thoughts on this game:

Minny rushing offense will control ball and keep NO on the field throughout the game. Superior offensive line, superior defense from Minny. If Minny can minimize turnovers they should be ok. Nothing kills a team more than driving the ball 60 yards and fumbling it away. They beat a stout CAR team with a +2 turnover margin and lost to Tenn by putting up a -3. They were -1 against GB and +1 in a close game that they could have won vs Indy.

Beyond that, everywhere I look the public is on NO in great percentages, yet the line has not moved...does that mean that the big money is on Minny? I think it does. Even Sportsbook.com has 87% of their bets on NO, but only 46% of the money. I don't put much stake in the Sportsbook numbers, but I do believe the public is all over the Saints and still hasn't managed to move the line off of 3.

As for homefield, NO was 3-5 at home last year, 4-4 the year before, 1-7 the year before that. All three years they had better road records than home records. 2005-2007 you will find a 8-16 home record vs a 12-12 road record. Discounting 2005, the year without Brees, you get a 7-9 home vs 10-6 road record. Minny has been 3-5 on the road the last 2 years. Last year they lost 3 of the 5 by 3 points and then got blown out by GB and beat by 10 by the Cowboys(the two best regular season teams in the NFC last year, IMO).

Lots to consider here, but I like Minny to dominate a soft NO defense with the run and Gus to be just capable enough to not kill them with turnovers. The line movement angle is a new one I am trying to figure out, maybe someone else has some insight.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Nice post BIG HERM pretty much tells the way it is exactly, minny is the favorite here not Saints, the public teams

 

[xxDaJackaLxx]

Sammy, I was careful. More so than most, I feel. They are not "my stats", they are HIS stats. And the two games this season are a more than sufficient comparison to his career long play. Lets look beyond the two games this season, then, at your accurate and fiery competitor Frerotte.

In the past 5 seasons:

Played in 27 games. Started 20.

393 completions for 735 attempts = 49.825%
4507 total passing yards = 6.95 yd avg. completion
26 TDs : 27 INTs
5-year QB Rating: 67

Or if that's not large enough a sample, his CAREER stats:

1562 completions for 2876 attempts = 54.3%
19604 total passing yards = 6.8 yd avg. completion
103 TDs : 93 INTs
Career QB Rating: 74.2

Frerotte is and always has been AVERAGE at best. Sammy, please do your homework. I'm not saying you're wrong about the MIN/NO match-up, per se, but you are MILES away from convincing me (and most others) that Frerotte will "rip it apart tonight".

And don't go believing everything you hear on the radio. If every team only "got it up" for 5 games a season, there would be a lot more 5-11 teams out there, don't you think?

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Jackal trust me my friend FREROTTE will rip it up tonight, this is his night-

WHy? Saints are playing the run, with that means man to man matchups on the outsides-- saints are 29th in pass D and have allowed the most 20+ yards passes in the leagues. Both Berrian and RICe are guys that can run the fade route--

Frerotte in the past did not play on a team with such a good run game-

So Jackal I do my homework, perhaps you should do your homework as you feel that I just said Frerotte will rip it apart for no reason--

In the NFL you get man to man matchups vs a bad pass D that allows the most 20+yard passes, I am all over this matchup., GUS is a VETERAN, he recognizes, it TAVARIS like his cousins VICK and VYOUNG are running backs playing Qb in the NFL-- Those clowns are looking for a receiver to be wide open while FREROOTE will make a pre snap read and throw it deep to Berrian and RICE all day long.

Frerrote will rip it apart and I have my reasons- He can do it, I have confidence, most vet QB's can beat man to man coverage from the 29th ranked pass D, when you have missiles at wide receiver also

 

[wiseplayer]

I agree with a lot of what I'm reading except for Frerotte. Frerotte isn't very good. Especially when pressure is applied. This game is a toss up. GL!

 

[Aztec4Life]

minny is just so much better they should be -7

no way they lose this game.

They've lost 3 of their last 4...so they can't be THAT good. Pretty bold statement you're making.

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

wiseplayer its not about FREROTTE-- many teams can win with system players--

No QB is any good without a GOOD O LINE-- No QB can be good if receivers dont get open--

IN this case I feel MINNY has all the other parts in place, O line run game, fast receivers, all they need is someone to take the keys to the CADILLAC and drive it.

Frerotte tonight is a LIMO Driver of the CADILLAC, all he has to do is recognize BLITZ and let the ball go quick and fast-- If he does that MINNY wins easy----

In football the winner of the game will be the team that makes more big plays-- usually the team that wins the big plays wins the games, Orleans won because they made big plays in 2 games this year--

Tonight GUS is driving the Cadillac, all he has do is steer the cadillac when there is a pot hole and run a few yellow lights. He has to stop when the light is red and when teh light is green all he has to do is keep driving the cadillac through the green light.

MINNY would be 4-0 easily if they had a QB that could throw the ball to the receivers when teams are crowding the line of scrimmmage----

TAVARIS could not do this and that is why he is on the bench--

Consider that MINNY played 4 very very stout D's vs the pass--

Carolina, Packers, Indy have great secondaries, TENNY does not , but is good at home and overal is a good D--

Basically MINNy was trying to drive through the desert with their CADILLac, NOW they are on smooth streets of LA freeway and they will find that it is easier to drive on Orleans because their D is mickey mouse

 

[SportsNut]

:shake:Good Luck fellas ......

Sticking with Vikings and trying to take +4 -120 no ML despite thinking they win. Just not interested in +140 to +160 on most days but +180 or better and I may .......

Few injuries on both sides but teams who can run and play defense usually have the edge . You keep th eother teams defense on the field and yours fresh . The season started with Minny being lined pretty strong and each week they lose some luster while NO started off about right spread wise and then despite some inmjuries exceeded expectations . Just seems like the time NO gets a tad overvalued . Not by much just enough though as I said PK to -1.5 seems about right IMO..Sainst at home just -3 vs TB and -4.5 vs SF .....

Biggest worry is what minny looks like today with the injuries who is playing or not and even playing but limited or less then 100%. McKinnies return should be a HUGE plus for the OL .

Just keep coming back to the big play . Seems all NO has done is hit big plays this year and you just cant be an all or nothing offense . TB who I wouldnt consider as a good as Minny gave the Saints a headache but 3 big pass TDs killed them one which the defender fell . They only had 3 TDs and a FG that game and the bulk of the yardage on those drives were the TD catches if not all (see 1 yd 84 Yd TD reception by Devery Henderson against Ronde barber) . They had a "perfect" 240 yds(start at ur 20 3x = 240yds) of offense on 3 TD drives(165 yds on the TD catches alone) and went 55 yds on 11 plays for the FG . Rest of the game 100 yds total offense --on 36 plays leading to 7 punts and 1 INT ...TB had no offense on the 1st H punting every possession but 1 and still could have won it before Fujita picked Garcia....

Away from home at Wash they get 24 pts again but Bush gets a punt return for a score and offense has just 250 yds of total offense . Basic stuff as NO didnt have any rushes for more then 9 yards and just 1 catch for 20+ yds at 22 yds ....

Away at Denver the Saints came back but also did well vs a bad defense and started the rally down 21-3 after a fumble for a TD by Denver . Retarded day going 39-48 421yds.....

Last week vs SF who was banged up then and showed it vs NE at home this week ..33 , 42 , 57 and 81 yd passes allowed .thats 213 yds on 4 plays ! So a decent 150 yds on the other 31 attempts ...lots of mistakes in this game 13 penalties to start for NO and another fumble in the red zone . SF left alot of points off the board settling for a FG when starting at NO 46 in the 2nd Q , down 21-6 to start the 3rd the 49ers took it the NO 20 but settled for a FG making it 20-9 , they get the ball back after a punt and take it to the Saints 10 but crucial INT with about 2 to play in the 3rd Q . A FG makes it 1 possession and TD makes its 3 or 4 instead like we often see the Sainst go 91 yds the other way , worse is down 28-9 they start with great field position at the NO 30 and again another INT this time inside the 15 yd line . Still was a 3 possession game (8,8, 3) with 10 to play when it happened. Again NO takes it all the way dwn the field and this time fumbles rather then scores but the ironty is now SF gets the ball and hoes 97 yds the other way to make 28-17 with 4 to play and the onside kick which leads to Saints for 3 more and end of the game...also an earlier O'Sullivan fumble set up the 1st NO score and a short field .....

Last week Minny had 3 turnovers that allowed short fields for Tenny and it produced all 3 Tenny TDs and 21 gift points . How bout 9 plays 33yds for a TD , 5plays 11 yds for a TD and 1 ply 6 yds for a TD .....thats right Minnys defense allowed 3 TDS on 50 NET yards !! To the Titans credit they had 3 very solid drives which produced FGs . How crucial was the timing ? Tenny took the opening drive all the way down the field but Vikes hel them to a short FG so down jsut 3-0 but 1st possession fumble and setup the 33 yd TD drive to make it 10-0 and Minny had 1 possession ! The Vikes go 80 yards and score a TD to make it basically10-7 after 1 which Tenny answered with a solid drive and FG to go back up 13-7. Now 13-7 with 5 to play before half after exchanging punts the Vikes do it again fumbling at there 15 and giving Tenny the ball on the 11yd line and another score eventually . So 20-7 but Vikes again answer with a quick FG drive and get it to 20-10 . With the half running out Tenny commits an oops and fumbles giving Minny some time and the ball at the 40 they attempt a 47 yd FG and Longwell misses a HUGE miss imo as it would have been just 20-13 .....So 20-10 at half and pretty boring quarter as Tenny gets a FG to push it to 23-10 nearing the end of the 3rd Q Vikes get good field position after a punt nearly midfield and take it just inside the Tennny 40 . Down 13 pts with 2nd and 10 from the tenny 30 Frerotte Fumbles !! Some more 4th q punting by each side and still 23-10 game when Minny gets teh ball and drives teh field for a TD to go to 23-17 with 6 to play . What else but a Minny blunder on the kickoff alowing Carr to take it to midfield !! Somehow Minny punts from there 37 and PINS Minny at there own 2 ...the difference in special teams execution huge in this sequence. With 4 to play and all the way backed up Minny chooses to throw each down and after 2 incompletes he is picked on 3rd setting up the last Tenny TD and its ball game folks !!!

So can Minny play a little crisper ? Thought they did very well vs GB except a couple of big plays but the catch in traffic is still a great job the WR . They held in check all game until the let the Colts hang around and get some good field position .

Real interested to see how this plays out but just think its NO time after a sloppy game vs SF to have things go against them .....

Also looking at NO TT under and possibly Vikes TT over ...of the two NO looks more attractive for the TT play .....

 

[SportsNut]

Big herm -- good stuff . Would only add that a key number like -3 is very tough to figure what type of flow is on the game . Reading comments from sports sites to gambling sites would say that NO is the flavor of the day though ....its a guessing game ....:cheers:

 

[~Utah]

Saints roll IMO, the Vikings are still living on the inaccurate preseason hype

 

[Big Herm]

Frerotte was 9-6 with the 2005 Dolphins, really his only recent, prolonged starting experience in the last decade(though he did go 4-2 as the starter of the Broncos in 2000 when Mike Anderson was churning out 5 YPC). Hard to know what you will get, I don't expect him to torch anyone, but he can certainly play well enough to win. That Dolphins team is probably a good comparison of what he has to deal with now, pretty good D(I don't remember how their line was) and a solid running attack...with average WRs.

 

[SportsNut]

last thing is EJ Henderson was just placed on IR not to long ago ending his season. While its a negative to not have him in the game its a huge plus I think to know beforehand that he is done for the year and wont be round to help. Players come in knowing its time to step up and knowing that playing time is available for 3/4 of the season .....

 

[Marlo]

My thoughts on this game:

Minny rushing offense will control ball and keep NO on the field throughout the game. Superior offensive line, superior defense from Minny. If Minny can minimize turnovers they should be ok. Nothing kills a team more than driving the ball 60 yards and fumbling it away. They beat a stout CAR team with a +2 turnover margin and lost to Tenn by putting up a -3. They were -1 against GB and +1 in a close game that they could have won vs Indy.

Beyond that, everywhere I look the public is on NO in great percentages, yet the line has not moved...does that mean that the big money is on Minny? I think it does. Even Sportsbook.com has 87% of their bets on NO, but only 46% of the money. I don't put much stake in the Sportsbook numbers, but I do believe the public is all over the Saints and still hasn't managed to move the line off of 3.

As for homefield, NO was 3-5 at home last year, 4-4 the year before, 1-7 the year before that. All three years they had better road records than home records. 2005-2007 you will find a 8-16 home record vs a 12-12 road record. Discounting 2005, the year without Brees, you get a 7-9 home vs 10-6 road record. Minny has been 3-5 on the road the last 2 years. Last year they lost 3 of the 5 by 3 points and then got blown out by GB and beat by 10 by the Cowboys(the two best regular season teams in the NFC last year, IMO).

Lots to consider here, but I like Minny to dominate a soft NO defense with the run and Gus to be just capable enough to not kill them with turnovers. The line movement angle is a new one I am trying to figure out, maybe someone else has some insight.

Herm getting Bryant Mckinnie back tonight will be huge. We have our complete O-Line back from last year when AP ran fucking Banana's.

1. Mckinnie was down in Miami since the preseason ended training. All reports say he is in phenomenal shape, and is game ready.
2. Your second point is spot on our defense kept us in most games on the road last year.

A couple other things to consider. Childress has recieved a ton of heat after last weeks collapse against the Titans. His play calling has been called into question.

Also Tennessee benefited from 3 turnovers in Vikings territory last week that resulted in 3 TDS. Take that away and we have ourselves a ball game.

 

[Marlo]

last thing is EJ Henderson was just placed on IR not to long ago ending his season. While its a negative to not have him in the game its a huge plus I think to know beforehand that he is done for the year and wont be round to help. Players come in knowing its time to step up and knowing that playing time is available for 3/4 of the season .....

Losing EJ is huge. He is replaced by a rookie. EJ was going to be Reggie Bushes stalker all game.

I'm assuming Greenway will be now. Either way EJ is a huge loss, but Greenway is a up and coming stud.

 

[Marlo]

Frerotte was 9-6 with the 2005 Dolphins, really his only recent, prolonged starting experience in the last decade(though he did go 4-2 as the starter of the Broncos in 2000 when Mike Anderson was churning out 5 YPC). Hard to know what you will get, I don't expect him to torch anyone, but he can certainly play well enough to win. That Dolphins team is probably a good comparison of what he has to deal with now, pretty good D(I don't remember how their line was) and a solid running attack...with average WRs.

Expect the Vikings to try and develop the pass in this game. NO will probably bring 8 in the box, and make the Vikings beat them with the pass early.

 

[Marlo]

hmm, im going with the home fave tonight. when in doubt take the home fave on MNF. minny's secondary is just as suspect as saints D. brees is going to slice through that secondary all day.

If Peyton takes a page from Belicheck circa 2007 when Brady torched us for some sick numbers, and Bree's can do the same your bet is safe.

Alot of talk around town about how Cedric Griffin has been picked on by opposing teams. Even Childress said he wasn't happy with the way Ced has been playing. If bree's can exploit him your in luck as well, Childress changes up his schemes.

I expect a ton of blitzing from the vikings tonight, with one guy on Bush at all times.

 

[JBEB]

I'm with ya on Minny and maybe the over??

 

[SportsNut]

I'm with ya on Minny and maybe the over??

Good Luck just thinking about the TT plays rather then a specific total play . Dont see the Saints offense as high powered but more big play . Similiar in sounding difference is if Minny limits the big plays how does NO score TDs and convert 3rd downs but also how well will they kick FG's?? So I dont see NO breaking 24 and Minny is get smacked around for there offense so cant see why the over is being tossed around so much .

Vikes 24-20 IMO....but a FG either way doesnt offer much room in a game where one team can score TDs in a blink...

:cheers:

 

[Rastaman]

my uncle in ny throws a sick spriral. And he can throw the ball deep.

Im thinking of betting on his co-ed flag football league games now if i can get a bookie to give me lines

deep ball nice spiral qb's = guaranteed winner

opcorn:

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[Marlo]

Good Luck just thinking about the TT plays rather then a specific total play . Dont see the Saints offense as high powered but more big play . Similiar in sounding difference is if Minny limits the big plays how does NO score TDs and convert 3rd downs but also how well will they kick FG's?? So I dont see NO breaking 24 and Minny is get smacked around for there offense so cant see why the over is being tossed around so much .

Vikes 24-20 IMO....but a FG either way doesnt offer much room in a game where one team can score TDs in a blink...

:cheers:

Sport the Vikings defense didn't make a single big play last weekend. There is to much talent on the field for them not to here.

I expect Bree's to get hit just like Manning did when we played him, look up the numbers there sick, Manning got sacked, hit, or hurried 10+ times.

Peterson should go off, I have said this all week....he hasnt had a monster game yet, and with game being on turf, as well as on Monday night ADAP should be money.

 

[SportsNut]

Sport the Vikings defense didn't make a single big play last weekend. There is to much talent on the field for them not to here.

I expect Bree's to get hit just like Manning did when we played him, look up the numbers there sick, Manning got sacked, hit, or hurried 10+ times.

Peterson should go off, I have said this all week....he hasnt had a monster game yet, and with game being on turf, as well as on Monday night ADAP should be money.

Often missed is how field position can unleash a teams defense. One thing about that Indy game is they continually kept the Colts starting at there 20 or worse. Without a brusing back tough to get out of those spots ....

Might also be playing the Vikings 1st H and possibly even 1st Q but prefer to stick to one or the other rather trhen both .....

:cheers:

 

[JBEB]

Good point Nut, locked in on Minny, but reconsidering the over I just hope the game starts before I have too many drinks and bet it anyway!

 

[Pucks]

Minny is getting too much respect imo. This team is poorly coached and it should show tonight. Peterson is a beast no doubt.

Why hasn't this line move lower toward Minny. If Minny is the better team as some say in this thread and they should roll over the Saints.

I will take Saints - 3

 

[SportsNut]

Minny is getting too much respect imo. This team is poorly coached and it should show tonight. Peterson is a beast no doubt.

Why hasn't this line move lower toward Minny. If Minny is the better team as some say in this thread and they should roll over the Saints.

I will take Saints - 3

GL Pucks . It hasnt moved because most bettors like the Saints . Not sure I understand that point . Felt the same way about Pitt last night and the line moved throughout the day in favor of them. Also hard to get a line off 3 points as we know.

:shake:

 

[Pucks]

GL Pucks . It hasnt moved because most bettors like the Saints . Not sure I understand that point . Felt the same way about Pitt last night and the line moved throughout the day in favor of them. Also hard to get a line off 3 points as we know.

:shake:

What my point is Minny Offense is not that good yes better with Gus as QB. They have a Good defense.

This Minny team goes for a Field goal more then a TD. The Saints will go for it on 4th down. Minny will kick the FG.

Too much respect Minny is getting. When they lost to the COLTS they kick how many FG 1st half, it came back and haunted them when the COLTS came back won.

Now I know in the NFL anything and everything happens from week to week and with the Vikings it happens over and over.

With Deuce as the soon to be again starter for the Saints he should be able to establish the run for the Saints. Get a couple TD's.

That is my take on this game.

Good Luck SportsNut :shake:

 

[Aztec4Life]

Viking backers are so fucking lucky right now, it's completely ridiculous. Bullshit no calls by the refs, combined with unlucky bounces for the Saints have resulted in New Orleans being down 10 to start the 2nd Half. This Vikings team is a complete joke!

:hang:

 

[JumpOnBoard]

once again...this is what the saints do...they are jekyll and hyde...they may win or not score the rest of the half...they are undisciplined and inconsistent....it is what it is.

Nothing new here.

 

[Aztec4Life]

once again...this is what the saints do...they are jekyll and hyde...they may win or not score the rest of the half...they are undisciplined and inconsistent....it is what it is.

Nothing new here.

I disagree bro. All momentum shifted when the Saints were driving, and Bush was blatantly face-masked and fumbled, giving the Vikings the ball. If the refs do their job, the whole game is different from that point on. That was a HUGE turning point in the game. Saints were already in field goal range.

 

[JumpOnBoard]

i get what you are saying dm, but it was 17-10 at that point...they had given up a blocked fg for a td and fumble at the five...those were bigger turning pts imo..

they just don't capitalize and give up too many easy things....stupid penalties, etc...always behind the chains..

 

[Aztec4Life]

i get what you are saying dm, but it was 17-10 at that point...they had given up a blocked fg for a td and fumble at the five...those were bigger turning pts imo..

they just don't capitalize and give up too many easy things....stupid penalties, etc...always behind the chains..

So true. I thought they'd play a solid game at home, on MNF...man, was I wrong.

 

[Blue_Chip]

Teams in the NFL can only play 5 good games a year-- This is a known fact they only get up for 5 games a year--

Someone on ESPN said this last weekend for college football not NFL. In fact, I think it was the Auburn/Vandy game that this was said. Not true for the NFL. They were referring to coaches getting their kids to play together effectively when there is not talent all over the field, which is not the case in NFL.

 

[SportsNut]

I think its like anything else if one is trying to say teams only play there best football 5 times a season then I would agree . As long as the belief its unintentional like saying a SP only has his good stuff 10 starts a year .

 

[SportsNut]

:shake:Good Luck fellas ......

Sticking with Vikings and trying to take +4 -120 no ML despite thinking they win. Just not interested in +140 to +160 on most days but +180 or better and I may .......

Few injuries on both sides but teams who can run and play defense usually have the edge . You keep th eother teams defense on the field and yours fresh . The season started with Minny being lined pretty strong and each week they lose some luster while NO started off about right spread wise and then despite some inmjuries exceeded expectations . Just seems like the time NO gets a tad overvalued . Not by much just enough though as I said PK to -1.5 seems about right IMO..Sainst at home just -3 vs TB and -4.5 vs SF .....

Biggest worry is what minny looks like today with the injuries who is playing or not and even playing but limited or less then 100%. McKinnies return should be a HUGE plus for the OL .

Just keep coming back to the big play . Seems all NO has done is hit big plays this year and you just cant be an all or nothing offense . TB who I wouldnt consider as a good as Minny gave the Saints a headache but 3 big pass TDs killed them one which the defender fell . They only had 3 TDs and a FG that game and the bulk of the yardage on those drives were the TD catches if not all (see 1 yd 84 Yd TD reception by Devery Henderson against Ronde barber) . They had a "perfect" 240 yds(start at ur 20 3x = 240yds) of offense on 3 TD drives(165 yds on the TD catches alone) and went 55 yds on 11 plays for the FG . Rest of the game 100 yds total offense --on 36 plays leading to 7 punts and 1 INT ...TB had no offense on the 1st H punting every possession but 1 and still could have won it before Fujita picked Garcia....

Away from home at Wash they get 24 pts again but Bush gets a punt return for a score and offense has just 250 yds of total offense . Basic stuff as NO didnt have any rushes for more then 9 yards and just 1 catch for 20+ yds at 22 yds ....

Away at Denver the Saints came back but also did well vs a bad defense and started the rally down 21-3 after a fumble for a TD by Denver . Retarded day going 39-48 421yds.....

Last week vs SF who was banged up then and showed it vs NE at home this week ..33 , 42 , 57 and 81 yd passes allowed .thats 213 yds on 4 plays ! So a decent 150 yds on the other 31 attempts ...lots of mistakes in this game 13 penalties to start for NO and another fumble in the red zone . SF left alot of points off the board settling for a FG when starting at NO 46 in the 2nd Q , down 21-6 to start the 3rd the 49ers took it the NO 20 but settled for a FG making it 20-9 , they get the ball back after a punt and take it to the Saints 10 but crucial INT with about 2 to play in the 3rd Q . A FG makes it 1 possession and TD makes its 3 or 4 instead like we often see the Sainst go 91 yds the other way , worse is down 28-9 they start with great field position at the NO 30 and again another INT this time inside the 15 yd line . Still was a 3 possession game (8,8, 3) with 10 to play when it happened. Again NO takes it all the way dwn the field and this time fumbles rather then scores but the ironty is now SF gets the ball and hoes 97 yds the other way to make 28-17 with 4 to play and the onside kick which leads to Saints for 3 more and end of the game...also an earlier O'Sullivan fumble set up the 1st NO score and a short field .....

Last week Minny had 3 turnovers that allowed short fields for Tenny and it produced all 3 Tenny TDs and 21 gift points . How bout 9 plays 33yds for a TD , 5plays 11 yds for a TD and 1 ply 6 yds for a TD .....thats right Minnys defense allowed 3 TDS on 50 NET yards !! To the Titans credit they had 3 very solid drives which produced FGs . How crucial was the timing ? Tenny took the opening drive all the way down the field but Vikes hel them to a short FG so down jsut 3-0 but 1st possession fumble and setup the 33 yd TD drive to make it 10-0 and Minny had 1 possession ! The Vikes go 80 yards and score a TD to make it basically10-7 after 1 which Tenny answered with a solid drive and FG to go back up 13-7. Now 13-7 with 5 to play before half after exchanging punts the Vikes do it again fumbling at there 15 and giving Tenny the ball on the 11yd line and another score eventually . So 20-7 but Vikes again answer with a quick FG drive and get it to 20-10 . With the half running out Tenny commits an oops and fumbles giving Minny some time and the ball at the 40 they attempt a 47 yd FG and Longwell misses a HUGE miss imo as it would have been just 20-13 .....So 20-10 at half and pretty boring quarter as Tenny gets a FG to push it to 23-10 nearing the end of the 3rd Q Vikes get good field position after a punt nearly midfield and take it just inside the Tennny 40 . Down 13 pts with 2nd and 10 from the tenny 30 Frerotte Fumbles !! Some more 4th q punting by each side and still 23-10 game when Minny gets teh ball and drives teh field for a TD to go to 23-17 with 6 to play . What else but a Minny blunder on the kickoff alowing Carr to take it to midfield !! Somehow Minny punts from there 37 and PINS Minny at there own 2 ...the difference in special teams execution huge in this sequence. With 4 to play and all the way backed up Minny chooses to throw each down and after 2 incompletes he is picked on 3rd setting up the last Tenny TD and its ball game folks !!!

So can Minny play a little crisper ? Thought they did very well vs GB except a couple of big plays but the catch in traffic is still a great job the WR . They held in check all game until the let the Colts hang around and get some good field position .

Real interested to see how this plays out but just think its NO time after a sloppy game vs SF to have things go against them .....

Also looking at NO TT under and possibly Vikes TT over ...of the two NO looks more attractive for the TT play .....

Even Brees said just a strange game . The botomline is despite miscues in the 1st H the Vikings due to poor game management handed them the lead in the 2nd H on 3 punts . So for whatever they lost in the 1st H they got back at a more crucial time in the game IMO . Who deserved to win ? Many may not agree but at the end of the day Minny did because they made the 4th q plays on both sides of the ball really. It was 27-20 game and Saints just had to hold them out of the end zone and didnt and then missed a FG tied at 27 and allowed huge PI to seal the deal.

Like I said coming in with NO issues were penalties , FG kicking accuracy and how do they score w/o big plays on offense . Well they scored 1 TD on offense and it was the result a short field satrting at Minnys 47 and made a nice 3rd and 10 play for a score . Just the one big pass play to henderson really although Miller had the big 4thQ catch . Its a good question going forward how does NO take the ballfrom the 20 to the house w/o hitting a big play ?? Look at all season thats what most of there TDs are . Penalties they had 13 last week at home vs SF and that was a bad sign . Played a tougher defense and had just as many so no suprise in that sense...

Suprising how poor AP was running the ball and how CHildress just forgot about him for awhile . Impressed by Brees and how he completed probably 75% of his passes when he had some time to scan the field .Also impressed by the NO defense . I mean 57 points scored and just 3 offensive TDS and the drives were 5 , 43 and 75 yds.

Minny just couldnt afford to lose and they found a way to win ....:shake:

 

[SportsNut]

Also Bush has struggled with fumbles he had the one @ Denver returned for a score and that INT in the 2nd Q by Leber was sick . You have to as Marlo said ackowledge that the defense made some big timely plays . How bout Leber on the deflection downfield covering Henderson.

 

[reNew Orleans]

hockely needs to get banned from the nfl and castrated as well

 

[SportsNut]

Scary how he is the middle of some crap this year . Always seemed to be a good ref from what I recall . Fucked up the face mask for sure ...

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Stat of game which killed Orleans was allowing the most 20+ yard pass playsin the league--

WHen 2 receivers run post patterns and both are ripping by the defender and the wrong one catches the ball, that is separation bigtime---

Not surprising as the Saints D is mickey mouse and could not cover because they are mickey mouse and cannot make stops on the deep pass

 

[reNew Orleans]

they had to give him security at half time when he was coming off the field. that was amusing, the rest of the game was not so much.

well most of the 2H was pretty good

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

Sportsnut: The key in these games is really simple: WHen teams like the Jags, Saints or any team with questionable pass D or db's plays on prime time, eventually they come true to their reputation.

In both games jags got burned late in the game, Saints who could not stop the deep pass, last in league over 20+yards, it came thruogh to beat them in the end of hte game--

GUS outplayed BREES bigtime, he threw 0 Int's and made the plays in the 4th qtr, while BREES did not--

Also avg or poor Db's have no chance to stop good receivers late in the game, fatigue sets in and the receivers really run hard and want the ball, GUS throws the ball and the receiver has the huge edge to catch it..

No different than MIcheal jordan scoring late in games and making plays over defenders late in games--

Teams like Orleans are what they are MICKEY MOUSE-- you knew that before as I did-

However the Db's will always almost burn you in a game, unless they get a pass rush all game or play a QB like Tavaris who cant throw deep

 

[Dallas JayHawk]

SBalls - Did you post your 12-1 NFL Picks?

 

[Sammy Meatballs]

DALLAS jAYHAWK PLEASE stop posting to question my posts.No I did not post my picks this week, but since you feel the need to stalk me and question everything I do and conventiently post only to question my comments here you go. Those who know me, know what I am capable of in the NFL-

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[2409] 2H SAN DIEGO -5-115
Score: 2H SAN DIEGO(7) - 2H MIAMI(0)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45643492] STRAIGHT BET </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 09:00 AM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[2405] 2H INDIANAPOLIS -3½-110
Score: 2H INDIANAPOLIS(21) - 2H HOUSTON TEXANS(10)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45643493] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 09:00 AM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[2405] TOTAL o24-115
(2H INDIANAPOLIS vrs 2H HOUSTON TEXANS)
Score: 2H INDIANAPOLIS(21) - 2H HOUSTON TEXANS(10)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>[#45636378] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 09:05 AM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[413] WASHINGTON +250
Score: WASHINGTON(23) - PHILADELPHIA(17)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45633592] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 09:05 AM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[407] TENNESSEE PK-110
Score: TENNESSEE(13) - BALTIMORE(10)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>#45662072] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 12:00 PM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[1423] TOTAL o20½-110
(1H NEW ENGLAND vrs 1H SAN FRANCISCO)
Score: 1H NEW ENGLAND(17) - 1H SAN FRANCISCO(14)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45654533] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 01:10 PM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[3428] 1Q DALLAS -3½-130
Score: 1Q CINCINNATI(0) - 1Q DALLAS(10)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>W</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45671015] PARLAY (2 TEAMS) (Risking: - To Win </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 03:03 PM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[2423] 2H NEW ENGLAND PK-150
Score: 2H NEW ENGLAND(13) - 2H SAN FRANCISCO(7)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR><TR class=evenRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 03:03 PM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[2424] TOTAL u21-120
(2H NEW ENGLAND vrs 2H SAN
FRANCISCO)
Score: 2H NEW ENGLAND(13) - 2H SAN FRANCISCO

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45670166] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 03:05 PM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[2427] 2H CINCINNATI +7-105
Score: 2H CINCINNATI(16) - 2H DALLAS(14)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45683825] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: - To Win: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 08:30 P<TABLE class=title cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headertxtCell>45686770] STRAIGHT BET (Risking: ) </TD><TD class=statusimgCell>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=oddRow><TD class=dateCell>10/05/2008 - 08:30 PM</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[6442] JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS PK-115
Score: PITTSBURGH STEELERS(26) - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS(21)
</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>LOSE</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>M</TD><TD class=idCell>NFL </TD><TD class=pickCell>[6441] PITTSBURGH STEELERS PK-105
Score: PITTSBURGH STEELERS(26) - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS(21)



</TD><TD class=statusimgCell>WIN</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Add my monday night winner in- and 2 more bets i placed with my local and its 13-1, and that includes parlay wins also. Feel free to post your picks Dallas JAyhawk instead of scrutinizing my picks.

 

[Throwback420]

Nawlins isnt a mickey mouse team by no means.


teams like Minny are mickey mouse teams.

this thread is filled with bullshit