Michigan vs. Alabama Discussion Thread

@2daBank makes a great point....when has the big ten ever beat an sec team in a phone booth ?? We saw michigan 21 with a better oline get destroyed in a phone booth. Phone booth is Saban and Kirby wheelhouse.

I think fairly highly of georgia ol....believe they returned everyone. Maybe best ol in nation in athens ? Bama shut that run game down.....now auburn did run for 244 but Saban has proven to rise to the occasion in the championship games very reliably

How did texas defeat bama ? They didn't run for even 3 yards a carry...they threw over their heads. Michigan isn't doing that. Tennessee threw over their heads a little. Idn if michigan can.

The schedules arent comparable. Texas lsu georgia....3 very tough games....to Michigan's 2....then from there Tamu tennessee and auburn with sandbagging big game Hugh are the next toughest games between the 2 teams

Why is Michigan's defense so good ? I see no tests. 0 tests. Actually 1 semi test...ohio state and they failed imo looked bad.

it's not a good time for michigan to be down a little bit in the ol imo.

One thing is for darn certain. Saban won't sit in a base zone like knowles and let michigan methodically march. This was an osu defense that let rutgers and ND pound them. Not super impressed playing keep away on ohio state.
 
EL CAPO said:
@2daBank makes a great point....when has the big ten ever beat an sec team in a phone booth ?? We saw michigan 21 with a better oline get destroyed in a phone booth. Phone booth is Saban and Kirby wheelhouse.

I think fairly highly of georgia ol....believe they returned everyone. Maybe best ol in nation in athens ? Bama shut that run game down.....now auburn did run for 244 but Saban has proven to rise to the occasion in the championship games very reliably

How did texas defeat bama ? They didn't run for even 3 yards a carry...they threw over their heads. Michigan isn't doing that. Tennessee threw over their heads a little. Idn if michigan can.

The schedules arent comparable. Texas lsu georgia....3 very tough games....to Michigan's 2....then from there Tamu tennessee and auburn with sandbagging big game Hugh are the next toughest games between the 2 teams

Why is Michigan's defense so good ? I see no tests. 0 tests. Actually 1 semi test...ohio state and they failed imo looked bad.

it's not a good time for michigan to be down a little bit in the ol imo.

One thing is for darn certain. Saban won't sit in a base zone like knowles and let michigan methodically march. This was an osu defense that let rutgers and ND pound them. Not super impressed playing keep away on ohio state.
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I really don’t think either offense will have success w long drives, I’m not to concerned w who Michigan played I think their d is fantastic. Osu offense was kinda crap this year but they had Marvin Harrison jr who appears to be the most unstoppable wr we seen in a long time, without him osu does basically nothing vs UM. Make no mistake bama has no wr who can hold Harrison’s jock, this actually the worst bama wr corp in a long time imo. That makes it strange cause bama path to success basically been getting the run game going to a extent but mostly it their ability to hit big plays, Milroe incredible throwing the deep ball but his wrs are far from elite imo.

I feel comfy saying big plays are paramount to win this game but I’m not so sure bama is more likely to hit them cause I don’t know that their wrs can get separation on UM secondary? It will obviously take a special effort from Milroe and prob a situation where he runs around then finds a coverage break down. Of course this thing he does also can be maddening as he tends to take way to many sacks and makes what should be a 5-6 yard loss a 20+ yard loss!

While I agree Michigan offense isn’t gonna just straight drop back and throw over the top like horns did I think it a mistake to assume that means they can’t hit big plays. I think they do a good job designing some shot plays and I also think they have a X factor who could be the big play difference maker in Edwards who is capable of hitting his head on the goal post from anywhere and in a number of ways. I think mich tight ends will find some success to help them try to control the clock, run their offense.

I really think this game could go either way. Michigan was my pick at beginning the season but now that we here and I’ve done so well wit bama I have a very hard time putting money down against them, Especially if they remain dogs I just can’t see a world I ever lay points or juice against Saban! If the line flips cause bama takes on that much money then I could see myself staying away or playing Michigan small. Could be I end up just playing props! Lol. At the moment I feel like I can make a pretty good case for both teams which typically means stay away but considering the gane and fact I’m a degen that isn’t likely, it probably won’t be a big bet I plan on making money with! Unless it a prop, I don’t think I’ll get there on a side to make a big bet on either. Still have 25 days to go so maybe by then I’ll have had a epiphany! lol
 
mrtake said:
But you only had to play against him for 3 quarters. He threw for 219/2/1 and ran for 163/1.
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Yes, I was just responding to the claim we hadn't played any good QBs. But we had stopped him on back to back possessions before he had to leave the game
 
HUNT said:
It's a fun debate and I look forward to all the discussions and shit talking. I've always respected your opinion on Bama and SEC in general. Hoping it's a clean, injury free great game at the grandaddy of them all.

I think at this point in the season you go by your eyes and what you trust. We've seen these teams a lot this year and most numbers or stats aren't going to change anyone's opinion of either team at this point of the season.

Just personally think this is the toughest team Harbaugh has had mentally and they just find ways to win. Whether it's ugly or pretty. And without their coach for 6 games including all of November. I hope all that noise is behind them for a bit and they can just focus on ball. Just a special team imo. I'm not really one to be high on Michigan but am very bullish on them this year. Can't wait. Should be epic!
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Your last point about Michigan is how I feel about this Alabama team. Not the dominant team like 2011-2020, but they are mentally tough. Have had a lot thrown at them this season, and they responded with winning, somehow someway. They are a very talented team and are starting to figure it out.

The improvement of Milroe might be the greatest in-season improvement for a QB I've seen in a long time. Can't think of one off the top of my head. He still has his warts for sure, but he's been able to adjust to what opposing defenses give him. Early, teams dared him to beat them deep, so he did. Then they took away the deep ball and he's been able to hit the intermediate throws and use his legs more effectively, though I wish he'd be a little bit more willing and more decisive when it comes to improvisational runs.

I think Michigan is a really good team. Very balanced. Kind of like UGA. I feel confident that there is nothing Michigan can do that we haven't seen at some point this season, other than playing complimentary football, though I think UGA may be an as good or better version of that. So it's likely to be a game where each team says we're going to do what we do best, and you try to stop it.

I know a lot can change, but this is shaping up to be the least stressful December we've had going into a playoff. Not aware of any coaches possibly taking other jobs, no unexpected portal guys (though that probably wouldn't surface until after the games are over), and the injuries we have are all the kind that will be treated with rest, unless McClellan's foot needs surgery.
 
gps_3 said:
Your last point about Michigan is how I feel about this Alabama team. Not the dominant team like 2011-2020, but they are mentally tough. Have had a lot thrown at them this season, and they responded with winning, somehow someway. They are a very talented team and are starting to figure it out.

The improvement of Milroe might be the greatest in-season improvement for a QB I've seen in a long time. Can't think of one off the top of my head. He still has his warts for sure, but he's been able to adjust to what opposing defenses give him. Early, teams dared him to beat them deep, so he did. Then they took away the deep ball and he's been able to hit the intermediate throws and use his legs more effectively, though I wish he'd be a little bit more willing and more decisive when it comes to improvisational runs.

I think Michigan is a really good team. Very balanced. Kind of like UGA. I feel confident that there is nothing Michigan can do that we haven't seen at some point this season, other than playing complimentary football, though I think UGA may be an as good or better version of that. So it's likely to be a game where each team says we're going to do what we do best, and you try to stop it.

I know a lot can change, but this is shaping up to be the least stressful December we've had going into a playoff. Not aware of any coaches possibly taking other jobs, no unexpected portal guys (though that probably wouldn't surface until after the games are over), and the injuries we have are all the kind that will be treated with rest, unless McClellan's foot needs surgery.
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And just like that, our ST/OLB coach likely heading to Miss St to be DC. Interesting hire, pretty sure his contract wasn't going to be renewed, so good for him
 
2daBank said:
I really don’t think either offense will have success w long drives, I’m not to concerned w who Michigan played I think their d is fantastic. Osu offense was kinda crap this year but they had Marvin Harrison jr who appears to be the most unstoppable wr we seen in a long time, without him osu does basically nothing vs UM. Make no mistake bama has no wr who can hold Harrison’s jock, this actually the worst bama wr corp in a long time imo. That makes it strange cause bama path to success basically been getting the run game going to a extent but mostly it their ability to hit big plays, Milroe incredible throwing the deep ball but his wrs are far from elite imo.

I feel comfy saying big plays are paramount to win this game but I’m not so sure bama is more likely to hit them cause I don’t know that their wrs can get separation on UM secondary? It will obviously take a special effort from Milroe and prob a situation where he runs around then finds a coverage break down. Of course this thing he does also can be maddening as he tends to take way to many sacks and makes what should be a 5-6 yard loss a 20+ yard loss!

While I agree Michigan offense isn’t gonna just straight drop back and throw over the top like horns did I think it a mistake to assume that means they can’t hit big plays. I think they do a good job designing some shot plays and I also think they have a X factor who could be the big play difference maker in Edwards who is capable of hitting his head on the goal post from anywhere and in a number of ways. I think mich tight ends will find some success to help them try to control the clock, run their offense.

I really think this game could go either way. Michigan was my pick at beginning the season but now that we here and I’ve done so well wit bama I have a very hard time putting money down against them, Especially if they remain dogs I just can’t see a world I ever lay points or juice against Saban! If the line flips cause bama takes on that much money then I could see myself staying away or playing Michigan small. Could be I end up just playing props! Lol. At the moment I feel like I can make a pretty good case for both teams which typically means stay away but considering the gane and fact I’m a degen that isn’t likely, it probably won’t be a big bet I plan on making money with! Unless it a prop, I don’t think I’ll get there on a side to make a big bet on either. Still have 25 days to go so maybe by then I’ll have had a epiphany! lol
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My post makes it seem like I favor bama large...but I agree I could see either side. As much as I'm slamming Michigan's win vs oh state the Georgia defense is nothing special here either. Just think bama has more arguments thinking through

Someone pull up the down field air yard completions on McCarthy.....it's not something they really do or attempt no ? I mean it's a classic phone booth team with short and intermediate passes off the run game.....this is an area Michigan impressed me their efficiency in the short pass game.

When I say saban won't allow Michigan to do what Ohio state did.....I thought Knowles plan was awful. First of all Ohio state stuff rate I don't think has been great all year. He gave up 5 yards every first down to prevent explosives ... secondly the Michigan pass game we speak of had easy identifications in a zone.....tight ends sat in open voids all day. It was a super simple scheme and saban will not get out schemed. He will make Michigan throw down field and I doubt he will leave this short easy efficient throws available without different looks blitzes and concepts. Knowles literally never blitzed that game and when he did they had success

Early in season I'm taking Michigan. Now with way bama has improved improved and improved......and Michigan has regressed back half....I think bama has a better body of work

I think bama has more big play ability in the passing game and weirdly a slight edge in the run game vs Michigan on both sides.

Ultimately this is going to be a coaches game....saban is much more proven then harbaugh. That tcu performance was a disgrace that was their "we've been here before and lost and now we are taking it seriously spot"....if any impact with the sign stealing it's on defense imo is most impacted

Ohio state matches up well vs the sec. They spread u out. Michigan doesn't match up well with sec. Imo.
 
cubsker said:
There isn't one decent dual threat qb in the entire big ten.
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First thing that comes to mind is that Michigan D has seen no one like Milroe. Big 10 offenses and QB are so bad. Ohio St only decent offense they faced and they moved the ball pretty well.

Michigan D was pretty awesome last year too and TCU dropped a 50 piece on em.....
 
aplous said:
First thing that comes to mind is that Michigan D has seen no one like Milroe. Big 10 offenses and QB are so bad. Ohio St only decent offense they faced and they moved the ball pretty well.

Michigan D was pretty awesome last year too and TCU dropped a 50 piece on em.....
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Indeed
 
Wonder how many holding calls there will be? O/U set at 0.5
 
Bama a bunch of pussies hiring George Helow. Gonna get curb stomped.

Was Michigan linebackers coach for a good 4-5 seasons then got let go.

Didn't coach all of 2023. Bama hires him effective immediately today. Hilarious.
 
HUNT said:
Bama a bunch of pussies hiring George Helow. Gonna get curb stomped.

Was Michigan linebackers coach for a good 4-5 seasons then got let go.

Didn't coach all of 2023. Bama hires him effective immediately today. Hilarious.
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We are down a LBers coach. Helow used to coach at Alabama and was under Pruitt for years so he knows our system. Michigan fans a touchy bunch
 
gps_3 said:
We are down a LBers coach. Helow used to coach at Alabama and was under Pruitt for years so he knows our system. Michigan fans a touchy bunch
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Nothing touchy. Just thought the timing was funny. I know he was at Bama in 2012.
 
Bama +anything is the best bet of any of the bowl games. Max bet on this game. If ohio state had a mobile qb its a 2 score osu win. Bama has osu type athletes just more of them and better line play on both sides of the ball and a much better coach. Also worth noting is that michigsn hasn't done advanced scouting on Bama. JJ has has looked very average since october. Michigan's running game won't come from behind to win any games and unless they are gifted turnovers this is a layup. If you have equity in your home this is the time to ponder using it! These games don't come around very often.

This game COULD get ugly. But either way this line is WAY off!
 
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Traderjoe123 said:
Bama +anything is the best bet of any of the bowl games. Max bet on this game. If ohio state had a mobile qb its a 2 score osu win. Bama has osu type athletes just more of them and better line play on both sides of the ball and a much better coach. Also worth noting is that michigsn hasn't done advanced scouting on Bama. JJ has has looked very average since october. Michigan's running game won't come from behind to win any games and unless they are gifted turnovers this is a layup. If you have equity in your home this is the time to ponder using it! These games don't come around very often.

This game COULD get ugly. But either way this line is WAY off!
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Michigan it is
 
aplous said:
This total feels low. I hit Over 44 and 45. Also teased Bama +8 with Over.

Can’t stop thinking about TCU shredding Michigan D last year.
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i can't stop thinking about one of the worst ohio state olines in school history on display tonight vs missouri, absolutely shoving it down michigans throat on multiple drives

not a good sign for michigan that missouri pounded ohio state on the ground in the second half just like notre dame and michigan did.
 
EL CAPO said:
i can't stop thinking about one of the worst ohio state olines in school history on display tonight vs missouri, absolutely shoving it down michigans throat on multiple drives

not a good sign for michigan that missouri pounded ohio state on the ground in the second half just like notre dame and michigan did.
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You do realize Ohio State had their 3rd string QB playing right?
 
EL CAPO said:
i can't stop thinking about one of the worst ohio state olines in school history on display tonight vs missouri, absolutely shoving it down michigans throat on multiple drives

not a good sign for michigan that missouri pounded ohio state on the ground in the second half just like notre dame and michigan did.
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Well, let's look back at OSU rushing attack vs Michigan a month ago.

They rushed for 107 yards on 28 carries Overall (3.8 ypc).

On the one drive in the 3rd, that they looked excellent (and could of been called easily for some holds) they rushed 9 for 49.

So, take away one drive and OSU rushed 19 times for 59 yards.

Still, even with the tying drive in the 3rd helping , they didn't average 4ypc.

In summation, I'd wholly disagree that OSU line 'shoved it down Michigans throat' on several drives.

That is just inaccurate.
 
survive&advance said:
Michigan it is
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Yeah, the ole "mortgage" posts are always entertaining.

At least the post was good for a few more Ohio State excuses.

Now, that's not as good as Denzel Burke complaining about officiating and not realizing OSU had 1 penalty for 5 yards in The Game.

Quite interesting.

Anyways, I digress.
 
Inspekdah said:
They were very reliant on sign stealing at the time and TCU fooled them. Since then they've learned how to play defense to some degree without knowing the play that is coming.
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Every team in America is reliant on sign stealing. That's why they have analysts specifically for that.

That's why CMU asked the UM dude to help them in the season opener. He was known as one of the best.

UM came in overconfident and unprepared for TCU. They were more prepared for the next week.

Some early mistakes, a terrible call on the Wilson TD and they played catch-up. There were so many little mental mistakes on defense that day that led to huge plays. Big failure on the preparation point defensively+ being top cute on offense at times and really missing their best player.
 
B.A.R. said:
Every team in America is reliant on sign stealing. That's why they have analysts specifically for that.

That's why CMU asked the UM dude to help them in the season opener. He was known as one of the best.

UM came in overconfident and unprepared for TCU. They were more prepared for the next week.

Some early mistakes, a terrible call on the Wilson TD and they played catch-up. There were so many little mental mistakes on defense that day that led to huge plays. Big failure on the preparation point defensively+ being top cute on offense at times and really missing their best player.
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Not having a goal line rb killed Michigan that game. Mullings fumble and that awful Philly special play call killed it early
 
B.A.R. said:
Well, let's look back at OSU rushing attack vs Michigan a month ago.

They rushed for 107 yards on 28 carries Overall (3.8 ypc).

On the one drive in the 3rd, that they looked excellent (and could of been called easily for some holds) they rushed 9 for 49.

So, take away one drive and OSU rushed 19 times for 59 yards.

Still, even with the tying drive in the 3rd helping , they didn't average 4ypc.

In summation, I'd wholly disagree that OSU line 'shoved it down Michigans throat' on several drives.

That is just inaccurate.
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guess thats true looking at the numbers; expectation wise, eye test wise, and opponent adjusted wise, i thought ohio state exceeded expectations vastly if michigan does indeed have a top run defense......numbers skewed by no large explosive run which did occur vs notre dame but as a whole ran it much worse then in ann arbor even tho ypc disagrees. I thought ohio state answered every score for most part that game in ann arbor and the one drive was absolutely marched by all runs into the end zone...... penn state held the buckeyes to 1.9 yards per carry.

IMO ohio state largely had what they wanted passing or throwing - and i do think that shows compared to last years game and also the tcu game - where sign stealing has the biggest advantage is on the defensive side of the ball

Makes no sense michigan wouldn't of been focused for tcu . 0 - in fact bowl tv coverage all had how they were dialed in after being in same position year before and getting blown out by georgia

Do not see any way shape or form this is close to being a top michigan team of last 20 years - big ten prbly worst ever in that timeframe, penn state and ohio state down - like I said, imo michigan controlling clock at end more indicitive of ohio states defense which failed in that spot again vs missouri.........

all said - bama not classic bama - nothing would surprise me but i'd take bama
 
EL CAPO said:
guess thats true looking at the numbers; expectation wise, eye test wise, and opponent adjusted wise, i thought ohio state exceeded expectations vastly if michigan does indeed have a top run defense......numbers skewed by no large explosive run which did occur vs notre dame but as a whole ran it much worse then in ann arbor even tho ypc disagrees. I thought ohio state answered every score for most part that game in ann arbor and the one drive was absolutely marched by all runs into the end zone...... penn state held the buckeyes to 1.9 yards per carry.

IMO ohio state largely had what they wanted passing or throwing - and i do think that shows compared to last years game and also the tcu game - where sign stealing has the biggest advantage is on the defensive side of the ball

Makes no sense michigan wouldn't of been focused for tcu . 0 - in fact bowl tv coverage all had how they were dialed in after being in same position year before and getting blown out by georgia

Do not see any way shape or form this is close to being a top michigan team of last 20 years - big ten prbly worst ever in that timeframe, penn state and ohio state down - like I said, imo michigan controlling clock at end more indicitive of ohio states defense which failed in that spot again vs missouri.........

all said - bama not classic bama - nothing would surprise me but i'd take bama
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You're selling Michigan really short Capo. Just my opinion though. It's interesting how each person can see it a completely different way.
 
EL CAPO said:
guess thats true looking at the numbers; expectation wise, eye test wise, and opponent adjusted wise, i thought ohio state exceeded expectations vastly if michigan does indeed have a top run defense......numbers skewed by no large explosive run which did occur vs notre dame but as a whole ran it much worse then in ann arbor even tho ypc disagrees. I thought ohio state answered every score for most part that game in ann arbor and the one drive was absolutely marched by all runs into the end zone...... penn state held the buckeyes to 1.9 yards per carry.

IMO ohio state largely had what they wanted passing or throwing - and i do think that shows compared to last years game and also the tcu game - where sign stealing has the biggest advantage is on the defensive side of the ball

Makes no sense michigan wouldn't of been focused for tcu . 0 - in fact bowl tv coverage all had how they were dialed in after being in same position year before and getting blown out by georgia

Do not see any way shape or form this is close to being a top michigan team of last 20 years - big ten prbly worst ever in that timeframe, penn state and ohio state down - like I said, imo michigan controlling clock at end more indicitive of ohio states defense which failed in that spot again vs missouri.........

all said - bama not classic bama - nothing would surprise me but i'd take bama
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You gotta let the sign stealing thing now creep into th handicapping.

I know a lot of you guys had OSU and PSU vs Michigan and learned a lesson. We don't homer Mich a lot the last few years but we said at the start of November the can of worms opening would fuel these kids. It did, they covered as expected vs the PSU and OSU teams.

Unfortunately, none of us can let some tidal wave of misinformation cloud your judgement.

You're a sharp capper, so I expect you'd know as much.

Every team steals signs. No one really knew what this kid was doing on his own. I'm not going to keep going on this, as we're not factoring in how OSU and other opponents shared info im preparation for Michigan as well. As you'll also see soon enough, OSU will be in a bit of their own trouble. We hunted at that weeks ago, and that will pop sooner rather than later (some hints the last 24 hours).

Ohio State actually passed the ball much better in 2022 than 2023. In fact, they ran the ball better as well. The stats don't lie. Michigans defense did a much better job in 2023 than in 2022 vs OSU.

The Michigan defense is 2023 is a better all around group than 2022. The 2022 group was adept at making critical plays though.

As far as last year vs TCU, I'm just reporting what was said before and after. They weren't ready on defense in totality. They didn't respect TCU, period. As Hunt said, no goal line back was killed + a ridiculous play call on 4th down early. That and the blown call on Romans TD is 14 points right there. Add in a brutal angle taken by a player in secondary on long Q tuddy late and the better team (that day) won.

As far as this matchup, I'll have a write-up tomorrow. My main concern is what it has been for weeks -- the OL. Nothing more, nothing less. Give me last year's OL and Michigan would win this by 7-13 points imo.

I think this will be a helluva game.

More tomorrow.
 
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B.A.R. said:
Every team in America is reliant on sign stealing. That's why they have analysts specifically for that.

That's why CMU asked the UM dude to help them in the season opener. He was known as one of the best.

UM came in overconfident and unprepared for TCU. They were more prepared for the next week.

Some early mistakes, a terrible call on the Wilson TD and they played catch-up. There were so many little mental mistakes on defense that day that led to huge plays. Big failure on the preparation point defensively+ being top cute on offense at times and really missing their best player.
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I agree 100%. But that defense faired worse than a Sun Belt team running basic Cover 2 would have. Felt like Tecmo Bowl trying to guess the right play.

I like UM on Monday.
 
B.A.R. said:
You gotta let the sign stealing thing now creep into th handicapping.

I know a lot of you guys had OSU and PSU vs Michigan and learned a lesson. We don't homer Mich a lot the last few years but we said at the start of November the can of worms opening would fuel these kids. It did, they covered as expected vs the PSU and OSU teams.

Unfortunately, none of us can let some tidal wave of misinformation cloud your judgement.

You're a sharp capper, so I expect you'd know as much.

Every team steals signs. No one really knew what this kid was doing on his own. I'm not going to keep going on this, as we're not factoring in how OSU and other opponents shared info im preparation for Michigan as well. As you'll also see soon enough, OSU will be in a bit of their own trouble. We hunted at that weeks ago, and that will pop sooner rather than later (some hints the last 24 hours).

Ohio State actually passed the ball much better in 2022 than 2023. In fact, they ran the ball better as well. The stats don't lie. Michigans defense did a much better job in 2023 than in 2022 vs OSU.

The Michigan defense is 2023 is a better all around group than 2022. The 2022 group was adept at making critical plays though.

As far as last year vs TCU, I'm just reporting what was said before and after. They weren't ready on defense in totality. They didn't respect TCU, period. As Hunt said, no goal line back was killed + a ridiculous play call on 4th down early. That and the blown call on Romans TD is 14 points right there. Add in a brutal angle taken by a player in secondary on long Q tuddy late and the better team (that day) won.

As far as this matchup, I'll have a write-up tomorrow. My main concern is what it has been for weeks -- the OL. Nothing more, nothing less. Give me last year's OL and Michigan would win this by 7-13 points imo.

I think this will be a helluva game.

More tomorrow.
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Can't wait....still strongly disagree on the 22 vs 23 defensive performances tho vs Ohio state. .....vs a much better oh state offensive outfit night and day frankly the Michigan d was much better in 22...after opening 2 series completely had them confused

Sure everyone is doing some form of sign stealing....just saying the results of what they adjusted vs stroud.....and the results vs a much worse osu offense this year ....and results vs tcu suggest some correlation

Imo this Michigan team is worse then the team that lost to Georgia in 21 especially on the lines and I'd take several of Lloyd's teams over this one
 
EL CAPO said:
Can't wait....still strongly disagree on the 22 vs 23 defensive performances tho vs Ohio state. .....vs a much better oh state offensive outfit night and day frankly the Michigan d was much better in 22...after opening 2 series completely had them confused

Sure everyone is doing some form of sign stealing....just saying the results of what they adjusted vs stroud.....and the results vs a much worse osu offense this year ....and results vs tcu suggest some correlation

Imo this Michigan team is worse then the team that lost to Georgia in 21 especially on the lines and I'd take several of Lloyd's teams over this one
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Can't tell if you're trolling or not. But if so, job well done.
 
EL CAPO said:
Can't wait....still strongly disagree on the 22 vs 23 defensive performances tho vs Ohio state. .....vs a much better oh state offensive outfit night and day frankly the Michigan d was much better in 22...after opening 2 series completely had them confused

Sure everyone is doing some form of sign stealing....just saying the results of what they adjusted vs stroud.....and the results vs a much worse osu offense this year ....and results vs tcu suggest some correlation

Imo this Michigan team is worse then the team that lost to Georgia in 21 especially on the lines and I'd take several of Lloyd's teams over this one
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Tcu says hello Michigan defense.
 
Really love Bama tomorrow....
Don't think Michigan has seen anyone with the talent that Bama has ...They straight up bullied Georgia on the lines for the most part...Milroe is night and day better and far more athletic than anyone the Michigan D has seen this season ..He's not that timid indecisive kid that lost to Texas ...
Giving Saban so long to game plan while planting the disrespect and underdog angles to his kids is scary imo ..I'd make this line Bama -6 and that might not be enough ..

Of course maybe I'm way off ..
We'll find out tomorrow...

Best of luck Brothers ...Hope you all have a FANTASTIC NEW YEAR !!!


ROLL TIDE !!!
GO BILLS !!!
 
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