Michigan State @ Michigan Discussion Thread...

[nbafan88]

for those who care

heaviest bet game on saturday so far, almost double the 2nd heaviest bet game on sat


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3:30 PM

173 Michigan State
174 Michigan
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[TD="class: bets"] 15699
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[TD="class: pct"] 71%
29%
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[TD="class: pct"] 87%
13%
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[TD="class: pct"] 80%
20%
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[TD="class: pct"] 68%
32%
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 41
-6.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 41.5
-7.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 42
-7.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 41.5
-8.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook"] 41.5
-7.5
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[TD="class: sportsbook_full"] 40.5o-126/+113
-7.5
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[nbafan88]

Can't bet against Michigan.

If Sparty would have covered at least one game so far this season this line would probably be closer to -4. I'd rather go with the newly strengthen little brother who always gets beat up by the big brother.


Jim Harbaugh belongs in college. Great college coach.


28-10

 

[M.W.]

88 -

Your score sounds right to me.

 

[horses]

Great thread!

Such an interesting game. I would have made Sparty a 5' point favorite in Ann Arbor at the beginning of the season.

I think the MSU performance is the big variable in this game. We know about Michigan more or less.

MD has coached v Rodriguez (bad fit) and Hoke (in over his head) and now gets a totally different animal.

 

[B.A.R.]

Mich only scored their TD (not the garbage time TD) due to a late hit out of bounds on 4th down. Should have been Utah ball but the bonehead kept the drive alive...seemed more domination than the final score. Week one games aren't overly relevant to me in the grand scheme of things, but one team was better than the other that week pretty significantly.

Very true.

And Rudock missed two seemingly easy bombs too.

Both teams have changed since then.
..
Just look at Stanford after the last handful of weeks...that offense is humming and what they did in Evanston.

 

[B.A.R.]

Great thread!

Such an interesting game. I would have made Sparty a 5' point favorite in Ann Arbor at the beginning of the season.

I think the MSU performance is the big variable in this game. We know about Michigan more or less.

MD has coached v Rodriguez (bad fit) and Hoke (in over his head) and now gets a totally different animal.

Thanks for chiming in Horses:shake:


MD's first year was Uncle Lloyds last year...that was the infamous 'Lil Brother' game.

 

[twinkie13]

Why don't they wanna play at night? Could be a nod toward alums and making it easy on their travel plans. We've heard that in Austin.

Is it just tradition?

The exact oppo for us LSU fans.....cant stand day games

 

[B.A.R.]

Is it just tradition?

The exact oppo for us LSU fans.....cant stand day games

Mich first home night game was UTL back in 2011...2 since then...

 

[GWarner27]

Can't bet against Michigan.

If Sparty would have covered at least one game so far this season this line would probably be closer to -4. I'd rather go with the newly strengthen little brother who always gets beat up by the big brother.


Jim Harbaugh belongs in college. Great college coach.


28-10

Even if Sparty has been better for the past decade or so, Michigan is not little brother. At least I think that is what you're saying and i don't know how you can think that...

I haven't followed NCAAF much at all this year, but i'm surprised to see MSU getting a full touchdown. From reading this thread and rex's it seems like the touts and everyone sees UM as a far better team unlike what was thought preseason. I get adjusting teams in-season, but it seems like quite a lot to give the little brother school who cares far more about this rivalry than big brother even if they're consistently winning the game each year.

Harbaugh is phenomenal, but everyone has to think they are ahead of schedule? Unless the Hoke being Ron Zook analogy is 100% acccurate, instead of being similar?

As most of you know i'm a strict dog player and big games like this that will likely decide B1G title game appearances are perfect for a "just win baby" mentality from the favorite, even juicier with the rivalry aspect. Now I don't think MSU has any additional motivation for this one than UM, but getting a full TD of insurance is awfully nice. How do we feel about Cook leading them in for a backdoor cover or push? Down 10 with 4:00 left, MSU ball at their own 20 do we think they cover or push? How about down 14?

Sounds a lot like MSU has been awful this year and it's awfully hard to wake up just because it's a big game, but if they ever will it's gotta be here

 

[Schrute]

OK, some people might be taking this rivalry thing a bit too far. Check that — some peopleare taking this rivalry thing way too far.
Earlier this week, with one of the biggest Michigan State-Michigan football games in recent years on tap this weekend, someoneused a maize-colored paint to “decorate” the Magic Johnson statue on the MSU campus. Alright, I get it, tee-hee, ha-ha-ha and all that, aside from the thousands of dollars and handful of man hours it’ll take to clean it off.
Early Friday, the vandalism escalated.
According to multiple media outlets, balloons filled with blue paint were thrown at the Sparty statue outside of the Spartans football home as well as at the MSU marching band. Every year of late, the band stands round-the-clock guard on the statue in the week leading up to the rivalry game.
Band members were hit with the paint-filled balloons, although the statue was spared.
“At approximately 4 o’clock a.m. myself as well as others involved with Sparty Watch were attacked with paint balloons filled with blue and gold paint,” band member Aaron Schroeder wrote on Facebook. “Everyone is okay. No paint got on the statue itself but there were paint splatters around the base and the brick surrounding the statue.
“A few of us and most of our belongings were hit with the paint but we cleaned ourselves off and are currently assisting in cleaning up the mess.”
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Police were called and they are currently investigating the incident.
“[W]e honestly don’t know who did it, and more importantly, we like to think most fans have a little more class than to resort to vandalism,” a school spokesperson told mlive.com. “It’s not fun and games; it’s a crime.”
The No. 12 Wolverines will play host to the No. 7 Spartans Saturday afternoon in Ann Arbor

 

[HUNT]

I definitely didn't expect Michigan to do as well as they have for obvious reasons.

But having 8 back not including peppers for defense with most of offensive line and a qb who has experience, these guys just got coached up for first time in their life.

I still think the offense has issues. I guess I'm trying to say I'm surprised but then not really because the cupboard was far from empty for JH.

 

[HUNT]

Michigan is on msu level for this game but they have to prove they can beat them.

I personally don't think they are close to Ohio states level but that's jmo.

 

[number2]

Sparty is 0-6 ats this year....ucf is the other team that's 0-6 ats too....
before last night...Auburn and ntexas were 0-5 ats and both covered........odu is next at 0-5 ats....
toledo is perfect at 4-0-1 ats followed by central Michigan at 6-0

 

[twinkie13]

I don't want to start a new thread, so figure here maybe..

I am just curious.....


What could Mich have done different? Nothing right?

 

[ksimpsc]

I don't want to start a new thread, so figure here maybe..

I am just curious.....


What could Mich have done different? Nothing right?

better snap, fall on the ball once you get turned around

 

[majent]

I don't want to start a new thread, so figure here maybe..

I am just curious.....


What could Mich have done different? Nothing right?

as we all saw on espn several times, a .2% chance of MSU winning in this situation with 10 secs left, that is a 1 in 500 chance

Mich cannot run the ball straight back and take the safety because they are only up by 2

ever seen a coach have his qb throw the ball straight up in the air to burn the clock? neither have i.

what do you do there, throw a hail mary to take off the seconds?

at the end of the day, i think it's poetic justice that Mich lost because although they had the lead for 59 mins and 50 secs, MSU moved the ball about twice as well all game and had several dropped passes. i thought the better team on Sat was MICH St and quite frankly i got sick and tired of the media anointment of Mich and Harbaugh all week long as the greatest thing, yada yada yada

i'm so glad it ended the way it did. just my personal feeling

 

[phife]

MSU was the better team. But the special teams edge for mich (up until the obvious) was glaring.

I thought Harbaugh should've went for it on 4th and 1 in the 3rd quarter. But Dantonio followed that up with a mind numbingly stupid fake punt call with an un-athletic punter and figured that exchange would be the ball game.

I was interested in seeing mich try to operate outside of their comfort zone, ie., playing from behind by a score or two. It never happened. I do think they'd be in a lot of trouble should that scenario arise in the future.

 

[TahoeLegend]

I saw one thing Michigan definitely should have done, Twinkie.

It makes no sense to have your gunners split wide as they do on a normal punt on a play like that. One, the only important thing is to get the punt off. Two, Michigan State didn't even have a returner back so what good were the gunners going to do anyway?

Instead of a returner Michigan State put 11 men on the line of scrimmage to try and pressure the punter, so the gunners were going to be running down the field with nothing at all to do.

By replacing the gunners with blockers Michigan could have bought just a little more time before the rushers arrived. If you watch the video there are three unblocked rushers coming from the Michigan State right side who are unblocked and able to run unabated. They are the ones who hit the punter just as he tried to kick the ball. if the punter had caught the ball it wouldn't have mattered, but since he didn't even a fraction of a second mattered.

Punting teams bring in an extra wide guy all the time to block when they are backed up to the goal line and the important thing is to get the punt off. I was surprised to see Michigan didn't do it. It makes no sense, but Michigan made some strange coaching decisions all day.

As the game progressed and they got a lead they started playing not to lose and got passive on defense, dropping more men back instead of keeping the pressure on, and when MSU was able to move the ball Michigan never got their aggression back.

 

[Frank Costanza]

That was Pop Warner officiating, both ways, in the game. Guys had no clue.

McDonough and Spielman were great, as usual. I think McDonough is my favorite PxP guy in the business. He's passionate and gets excited on the calls, but not over-the-top like w/ Gus.