Let's chat about the 2027 Lockout...

I'm 100 percent in favor of a lockout with a long overdue salary cap being the end result even if it costs multiple missed seasons to get there. Before anyone says of course the Brewers fan wants a cap my response is I am a New York Rangers fan and they always had the highest payroll in the sport and I was a proponent of a cap in the NHL.

I thought for sure that Steve Cohen was going to be the guy that caused the other owners to rally together but it was in fact the Dodgers with this ridiculous Kyle Tucker contract that was the final push to get most of the owners on the same side. Every other major sport is doing just fine with a cap and MLB will be a stronger league with one as well.
 
Brewers888 said:
I'm 100 percent in favor of a lockout with a long overdue salary cap being the end result even if it costs multiple missed seasons to get there. Before anyone says of course the Brewers fan wants a cap my response is I am a New York Rangers fan and they always had the highest payroll in the sport and I was a proponent of a cap in the NHL.

I thought for sure that Steve Cohen was going to be the guy that caused the other owners to rally together but it was in fact the Dodgers with this ridiculous Kyle Tucker contract that was the final push to get most of the owners on the same side. Every other major sport is doing just fine with a cap and MLB will be a stronger league with one as well.
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Well the manipulation involved with the Ohtani contract was likely the straw that broke the camel's back, they just aren't able to do anything about it until next season anyway so there was no real need to make it interesting yet.
 
a salary cap doesn't generate any more parity. the poorly run teams will still be bad. the owners will have to open their books to get one and I'll bet they won't do so because then we'll see that the "poor" teams are actually making a bunch of money and just not spending it. if they weren't, then these owners would be selling their teams which isn't happening.
 
In the past even small market teams were able to compete and win WS. But imo its gotten ridiculous with the Dodgers. If it wasn't for this lockout threat they'd go get Skubal too, to replace Kershaw. Probably won't now.
Im in favor of hard cap. But owners better be ready to miss multiple seasons as Brewers said. I doubt they will be. The owners always back down.
 
cubsker said:
Guys with billion dollar businesses crying poor back down.....weird.
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Yeah its great for compettitive balance when teams like the Dodgers have 10 times or more revenues than the small market teams. The argument that the small market teams are just cheap totally ignores the huge revenue disparities. This lockout is going to be a war like we haven't seen since 94 where a cap would have been put in place if that bitch Sotomayor hadn't ruled against the owners.

Personally I couldn't care about any of the owners but the fans are the ones who suffer when their teams have absolutely no chance of winning under this financial system. Even when a team drafts and develops as well as possible they have no chance of beating the Dodgers or any of the other mega markets on a consistent basis.

Without a cap the NFL would never have teams like Green Bay and Kansas City winning Super Bowls it would always be Dallas or one of the other big market teams not owned by an heir to a Q Tip fortune.
 
Brewers888 said:
Yeah its great for compettitive balance when teams like the Dodgers have 10 times or more revenues than the small market teams. The argument that the small market teams are just cheap totally ignores the huge revenue disparities. This lockout is going to be a war like we haven't seen since 94 where a cap would have been put in place if that bitch Sotomayor hadn't ruled against the owners.

Personally I couldn't care about any of the owners but the fans are the ones who suffer when their teams have absolutely no chance of winning under this financial system. Even when a team drafts and develops as well as possible they have no chance of beating the Dodgers or any of the other mega markets on a consistent basis.

Without a cap the NFL would never have teams like Green Bay and Kansas City winning Super Bowls it would always be Dallas or one of the other big market teams not owned by an heir to a Q Tip fortune.
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The problem is the fans. If a man with a family of 4 is now willing to pay 250 to take them to the game then things will stay as they are. But owners will back down. Even shit franchises are worth billions now. If you lockout players for 2 years they risk losing fans and that valuation. They'll get a bigger luxury tax and that will be it.
 
lvmike32 said:
The problem is the fans. If a man with a family of 4 is now willing to pay 250 to take them to the game then things will stay as they are. But owners will back down. Even shit franchises are worth billions now. If you lockout players for 2 years they risk losing fans and that valuation. They'll get a bigger luxury tax and that will be it.
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We can go down that path but I firmly believe a lockout makes small market teams more valuable. Year to year operations continuously losing don't increase franchise value. Maybe it has in the past but not so much now. Understanding that bell curve and when it's peaked probably isn't their forte but business people understand how the model isn't sustainable as is.
 
A cap is likely to hurt the Brewers, not help them. In fact, I'm willing to bet, contingent on a cap coming in, that the Brewers come nowhere near what they've accomplished the last ten years with no cap
 
cubsker said:
A cap is likely to hurt the Brewers, not help them. In fact, I'm willing to bet, contingent on a cap coming in, that the Brewers come nowhere near what they've accomplished the last ten years with no cap
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It's not even about that though. A floor would require expense but a cap would limit the bullshit. You're only against a cap if you are a fan of a team that benefits from a fanbase big enough to not care. Grats Cub. You win there.

It's a shit market getting shittier by the day and your answer is....do nothing? Hope they all fail hard and baseball becomes something the Flintstones are playing in a hundred years if it stays this way.
 
Would love to see a two year lockout and a bunch of underqualified insurance salesmen hit the market
 
KJ said:
It's not even about that though. A floor would require expense but a cap would limit the bullshit. You're only against a cap if you are a fan of a team that benefits from a fanbase big enough to not care. Grats Cub. You win there.

It's a shit market getting shittier by the day and your answer is....do nothing? Hope they all fail hard and baseball becomes something the Flintstones are playing in a hundred years if it stays this way.
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The small market teams are already handed advantages with the draft and Im honestly not buying their tears. The Brewers are never getting Ohtani or Kyle Tucker or whomever. Its Milwaukee for fucks sake. Just like the Bucks are never getting Shaq or LeBron or whomever. The finances of the game present awesome opportunities for smart front offices like Milwaukee. Thats why they're able to make the type of trades they have with Burnes, Williams, and now Peralta the last couple of years. Force the big market teams to spend less and the opportunities to make these types of trades go down.
 
cubsker said:
The small market teams are already handed advantages with the draft and Im honestly not buying their tears. The Brewers are never getting Ohtani or Kyle Tucker or whomever. Its Milwaukee for fucks sake. Just like the Bucks are never getting Shaq or LeBron or whomever. The finances of the game present awesome opportunities for smart front offices like Milwaukee. Thats why they're able to make the type of trades they have with Burnes, Williams, and now Peralta the last couple of years. Force the big market teams to spend less and the opportunities to make these types of trades go down.
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I'm cool with just making it New York, Chicago and LA and some random like Dallas

It's baseball ffs. No one will miss it.
 
KJ said:
Well the manipulation involved with the Ohtani contract was likely the straw that broke the camel's back, they just aren't able to do anything about it until next season anyway so there was no real need to make it interesting yet.
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Right. This is the big issue. The small markets don’t complain when the taxes that should be hitting these types of deals gets redistributed back to them without any requirement to re-invest. I think this is a little overblown and the focus will be on these deferred deals.
 
cubsker said:
The small market teams are already handed advantages with the draft and Im honestly not buying their tears. The Brewers are never getting Ohtani or Kyle Tucker or whomever. Its Milwaukee for fucks sake. Just like the Bucks are never getting Shaq or LeBron or whomever. The finances of the game present awesome opportunities for smart front offices like Milwaukee. Thats why they're able to make the type of trades they have with Burnes, Williams, and now Peralta the last couple of years. Force the big market teams to spend less and the opportunities to make these types of trades go down.
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Yeah. It’s a fine line to walk. A hard salary cap wouldn’t be great for a sport like baseball. Half the teams still wouldn’t spend to even get near it. The pro team, small market salary cap, created by the NBA, is killing the league.
 
Inspekdah said:
Right. This is the big issue. The small markets don’t complain when the taxes that should be hitting these types of deals gets redistributed back to them without any requirement to re-invest. I think this is a little overblown and the focus will be on these deferred deals.
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It was a cute story with Bonilla but the stakes are so much higher now

No one in Pittsburgh is staying in for the evening just to watch the Pirates game on the tele

If there is someone, I want to take them to dinner to escape that
 
Inspekdah said:
Yeah. It’s a fine line to walk. A hard salary cap wouldn’t be great for a sport like baseball. Half the teams still wouldn’t spend to even get near it. The pro team, small market salary cap, created by the NBA, is killing the league.
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Killing the NBA? Lakers just sold for $10 billion. Boston $6 billion. TV ratings are highest this year with NBC back. By most definitions NBA is flourishing. That being said the wokeness, crazy salaries, player softness, etc drive me nuts.
 
The Brewers are worth 1.4 billion from what Claude tells me. Claude also tells me the Brewers operating profit was more last year than the Dodgers because the Dodgers put all the revenue back into the team. Well actually they put all of it that they can back into the team. The rest is directed to revenue sharing i.e. teams like the Brewers who are pocketing at least some of it.
 
lvmike32 said:
Killing the NBA? Lakers just sold for $10 billion. Boston $6 billion. TV ratings are highest this year with NBC back. By most definitions NBA is flourishing. That being said the wokeness, crazy salaries, player softness, etc drive me nuts.
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Revenues are insanely high right now with the TV deals.

Doesn’t mean the end product is good and there is actually more fans.

NBA sucks and I was a huge fan.
 
Baseball has been very good last few years. Would be a shame for them to lose that momentum. Silver has ruined the NBA. The MLB commish should run both.
 
Inspekdah said:
Revenues are insanely high right now with the TV deals.

Doesn’t mean the end product is good and there is actually more fans.

NBA sucks and I was a huge fan.
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Im actually with you. Hate a lot of what's going on. Unwatchable. But the league has never been stronger $ wise. Cooper Flagg will make $1B in salary if he plays to mid 30s. All due to TV. And TV is driven by people watching. Unfortunately people like us are in minority.
 
Yeah we're older guys. I think younger people want to see lots of threes and don't care about defense. They like the flash and finesse and versatility of the modern day players. They didn't grow up with the tough-guy, grind-it-out basketball of the 80's and 90's, the Detroit Pistons, and so on. They don't want to see low-scoring games or guys like Shaq posting up and bullying. They like high point totals in games and from superstars even when the superstars are acting like total bitches by baiting them.
 
Inspekdah said:
Baseball has been very good last few years. Would be a shame for them to lose that momentum. Silver has ruined the NBA. The MLB commish should run both.
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Commissioners are employed by owners so every one of them is doing something right to continue to get the support of overly abundant white guys in all sports. I don't know how you can blame anyone for ruining anything. If so he wouldn't have a job.
 
lvmike32 said:
Im actually with you. Hate a lot of what's going on. Unwatchable. But the league has never been stronger $ wise. Cooper Flagg will make $1B in salary if he plays to mid 30s. All due to TV. And TV is driven by people watching. Unfortunately people like us are in minority.
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I don’t think the TV deals mean much long term. Ratings are in the toilet. Stronger this year but couldn’t go any lower without being considered G league. Just because Amazon wants to out bid TNT for rights doesn’t help the actual product. The NFL right now has demand that has viewers seek out their product. The NBA needs to promote its product through viewership and ease of access.

The Lakers selling for 10 billion doesn’t have much to do with a 12 year old kid watching it when they’re not motivated to open up a random app to do so. Product doesn’t have the demand to seek it out.
 
KJ said:
Commissioners are employed by owners so every one of them is doing something right to continue to get the support of overly abundant white guys in all sports. I don't know how you can blame anyone for ruining anything. If so he wouldn't have a job.
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I mean there are good and bad people in every job and opportunity. Silver hasn’t been great. Guy is gross and shouldn’t have gotten the job based on his looks alone.
 
Inspekdah said:
I don’t think the TV deals mean much long term. Ratings are in the toilet. Stronger this year but couldn’t go any lower without being considered G league. Just because Amazon wants to out bid TNT for rights doesn’t help the actual product. The NFL right now has demand that has viewers seek out their product. The NBA needs to promote its product through viewership and ease of access.

The Lakers selling for 10 billion doesn’t have much to do with a 12 year old kid watching it when they’re not motivated to open up a random app to do so. Product doesn’t have the demand to seek it out.
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I have Amazon Prime and didn't watch one NFL Thursday night game on it this year. Only one I watched was the Cardinals and it was carried locally. Without fantasy football no one would watch anything outside of Red Zone and/or their teams.
 
Also somewhat on topic but not really...as of last month Cox Cable started including all ESPN/Disney streaming as part of its main package. So I got to cancel my ESPN+ package which is a move in the right direction. It still takes me to a streaming app but it's included in my cable package now at least. Guessing + lost all leverage when they lost UFC because I only watch it for the occasional soccer matches and non-tv CBB games. Not really needed for much outside that now.
 
Inspekdah said:
I mean there are good and bad people in every job and opportunity. Silver hasn’t been great. Guy is gross and shouldn’t have gotten the job based on his looks alone.
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He stepped in and was instantly hit with the Sterling thing which couldn't be comfortable. Handled like a pro in my opinion and obviously the owners agreed since it took them to ultimately run him off. That could have been a disaster and he could have lost the entire league if he handled it differently.
 
I really don’t see what the big deal is, for the most part the sport doing pretty well these days, the changes they have made have mostly been really good. I could do without that deferred payment bull shit but count me in the minority that doesn’t think overpaying Kyle Tucker is crippling to the rest of baseball. Is it a little obnoxious looking at dodgers pitching staff? Sure. Does that mean they should go and destroy the sport like they tried to do last time? Do they remember how much steroids it took to bounce back from that!!?!?! If the numbers I see on revenue sharing are accurate then the problem ain’t with the big spenders, it with these crybaby small markets that apparently think it ok to keep their payrolls well below the handouts they getting.
 
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