Larry/Tip Romo Thread - Super Bowl 50 Discussion

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I believe what Tip is looking for is the 'Elimination Game' stats, which if I am not mistaken was specifically created to describe Romo because of the paradox between his awesome December numbers and his choke artist reputation. See if this posts ok...

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[TD="align: center"]GAMES[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Att[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]INT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2006 Playoffs vs SEA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]58.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2007 Playoffs vs NYG[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]36[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]50.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2008 WK17 vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]53.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Playoffs vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]65.7%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Playoffs vs MIN[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]62.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2011 WK17 vs NYG[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]78.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2012 WK17 vs WAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]54.1%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]150[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
I don't have a dog in the fight. If my team had a shitty qb I wouldn't mind Romo, but wouldn't beg for him either. But don't think you can judge a guy based on 'elimination games' without looking at the bigger picture. Otherwise, Peyton Manning would suck (comparatively) as well
 
When you get more than 10, that's a lot. It's the reason Manning isn't Graham. It just is. It's the reason Romo isn't Bradshaw.
 
It's like excusing a starting pitcher for sucking in a 7-gamer. I'll buy that once,
 
For as long as Romo has been in the league, he's had zero impact in big games when you compare him to Brady, Eli and P. Manning, Ben, Rodgers, Wilson. I'd trust Brees more in the big spot. It's safe to say Alex Smith and Kaeperneck have done more. Romo is in the same category as Rivers. They're popular big names but what have they really accomplished? If the topic of team comes up as an excuse, ask these other QBs the amount of injuries they've had around them. Romo's team was stacked last year btw and nothing.
 
wiseplayer said:
For as long as Romo has been in the league, he's had zero impact in big games when you compare him to Brady, Eli and P. Manning, Ben, Rodgers, Wilson. I'd trust Brees more in the big spot. It's safe to say Alex Smith and Kaeperneck have done more. Romo is in the same category as Rivers. They're popular big names but what have they really accomplished? If the topic of team comes up as an excuse, ask these other QBs the amount of injuries they've had around them. Romo's team was stacked last year btw and nothing.
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You mean the season they won a playoff game, then went to GB and really only lost the game because of one of the worst catch/no catch calls the league has ever seen? You're right, they didn't win the SB, didn't make it to the Championship game even, but...they did nothing? And it was Romo's fault? Come on man, this take is worse than Bill's.
 
Jayhawk Nation said:
I believe what Tip is looking for is the 'Elimination Game' stats, which if I am not mistaken was specifically created to describe Romo because of the paradox between his awesome December numbers and his choke artist reputation. See if this posts ok...

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<tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #193561"]
[TD="align: center"]GAMES[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Att[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]INT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2006 Playoffs vs SEA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]58.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2007 Playoffs vs NYG[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]36[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]50.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2008 WK17 vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]53.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Playoffs vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]65.7%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Playoffs vs MIN[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]62.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2011 WK17 vs NYG[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]78.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2012 WK17 vs WAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]54.1%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]150[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
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Thank you for actually finding the stats. I think we're missing a couple of playoff games in here though.
 
I always laugh at the "statistical proof" used to define Tony Romo's ability in big games...excuse me, elimination games. When an undrafted rookie rises to the helm of the Dallas Cowboys and becomes one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league, you have a cornucopia of factors that are sure to create drama and inspire the anti-Cowboys nation. At every turn, memes and myths would pop up taking shots at Romo's abilities, and BTB (and other media sources) would often disprove those fallacies in short order. First, it was claimed that Romo's statistical superiority didn't matter because he couldn't get it done in the fourth-quarter. Then it became about Romo not being able to play well in the important games late in the season. But the truth shall set you free...

  • Romo ranks sixth among active QBs for the most fourth-quarter comebacks - playing fewer games than anyone ahead of him on that list and those below him on the Top 10 list
  • Romo ranks ninth among active QBs for the most game winning drives - again, playing fewer games than those above him on the list
  • Romo has had phenomenal fourth-quarter QB ratings. This 2012 article states his career 102.1 QB rating in the fourth-quarter is the best among active QBs in the league, considerably surpassing the elite QBs like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady. His 2012 rating (101.2) and 2013 rating (105.6) means he is likely still the best in the league in the fourth-quarter.
  • In games in Dec. and Jan. Romo has 63.3 completion % and 50 TD vs. 29 INT
So after all these previous myths were debunked, the national media create a new statistic to show viewers why they had been badmouthing Tony Romo...the elimination game stat. This is a collection of data from seven games in Romo's 100+ game starts. It includes four playoff games and three Week 17 matchups that determined whether the Cowboys would make it to or progress in the playoffs.

What it does not include are games like the Week 17 domination over the Eagles in '09 because the Cowboys 11-5 record didn't demand a victory to make the playoffs. A game, where coincidentally, Romo had a great performance does not get included because despite it being the final week of the season against a division rival that you would see again in the wild card playoff round, and despite the fact it determined who would become the NFC East champ...a loss would not have eliminated the Cowboys from the playoffs, so it is apparently unimportant.
For the sake of time, let's breeze past my adamant objections to terms like "big games" and "chokes when it matters" being used based off of this ‘elimination game data set.' Because every game in a 16-game schedule holds important playoff ramifications, and matchups against division rivals are "big games," and nationally televised games are "big games," and week 15 and 16 games that must be won to keep your team in the playoff hunt are "big games," and matchups to clinch a playoff spot are "big games," and week 17 matchups for the division crown are "big games." So, let's just ignore the problem with this definition of important elimination games, which boils down to a limited data set used as empirical evidence to one of the greatest intangibles in sports.
Let's just concentrate on the limited scope of this great derogatory myth, because even that makes me laugh.
Used "properly," this data set will show you that Romo in big games - sorry, did it again, elimination games - just can't win and is a choke artist. You can point to seven interceptions in those seven "most important games," top it off by including a few sack fumbles, wrap it in a bow highlighting the 1-6 W/L record...and there you go!
"Statistical proof" that Romo just can't win the games that matter most:

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<tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #193561"]
[TD="align: center"]GAMES[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Att[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]INT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2006 Playoffs vs SEA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]58.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2007 Playoffs vs NYG[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]36[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]50.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2008 WK17 vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]53.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Playoffs vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]65.7%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Playoffs vs MIN[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]35[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]62.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2011 WK17 vs NYG[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]78.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2012 WK17 vs WAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]54.1%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]150[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]


There are many reasons a QB can struggle in a game, including bad weather, an old offensive-line breaking down and getting abused by the defense, and wide-receivers dropping wide open passes that could lead to TDs and wins. But let's ignore the fact that in his worst games on this list Romo had to overcome these kinds of factors. Is a QB with over 60% completions and more TDs than INTs really choking in those games? Sure, this small sample size averages out below Romo's career averages, but is it proof Romo will not be able to win when it matters? The Cowboys only won one of these games. Can you count more games where Romo's performance was certainly good enough to lead his team to victory?


Now, let's have some fun with numbers and show why this small sample set is ridiculous. I am going to add some games and rename this the stat for "Playoff Hunt Games." We will still include all the elimination games, but also add games that clinched a playoff spot or won the division crown. Let's see what happens...

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<tbody>[TR="bgcolor: #193561"]
[TD="align: center"]PLAYOFF HUNT GAMES[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Att[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Cmp%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]INT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Elimination Games[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]150[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]248[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]60.5%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2006 Clinch Wk15 vs ATL[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]75.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2007 Clinch WK13 vs GB[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]30[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]63.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 Clinch WK16 vs WAS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]25[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]65.8%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009 WinDiv Wk17 vs PHI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]24[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]34[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]70.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]240[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]379[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]63.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]


As you can clearly see, when the Dallas Cowboys are playing games to clinch a playoff spot, win a division title, or progress into the playoffs, Tony Romo is phenomenal with a 63.3 completion % throwing 18 TD vs. 11 INT. See how fun it is to play with numbers and small sample sizes for statistical proof? Can you imagine what would happen if we started including all the must-win games where Romo led the Cowboys to victory so that those Week 17 elimination games even mattered?

If anyone thinks the Cowboys can't make it to or win in the playoffs because of Romo, then they simply haven't seen enough of his games to know better. So whenever someone tells you Romo is a choke artist when it matters, you now have even more statistical proof to let them know they are wrong... Romo's Playoff Hunt Games stat.


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...-cowboys-myths-elimination-playoff-hunt-games
 
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And here are the other 2 playoff games of his, from last season.

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[TD="colspan: 4"]Rushing[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Fumbles[/TD]
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[TR="class: player-table-key"]
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[TD]GS[/TD]
[TD]Comp[/TD]
[TD]Att[/TD]
[TD]Pct[/TD]
[TD]Yds[/TD]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD]TD[/TD]
[TD]Int[/TD]
[TD]Sck[/TD]
[TD]SckY[/TD]
[TD]Rate[/TD]
[TD]Att[/TD]
[TD]Yds[/TD]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD]TD[/TD]
[TD]FUM[/TD]
[TD="class: last-td"]Lost[/TD]
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[TD]01/04[/TD]
[TD] DET [/TD]
[TD] W 24-20 [/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]61.3[/TD]
[TD]293[/TD]
[TD]9.5[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]51[/TD]
[TD]114.0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]-2[/TD]
[TD]-1.0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: border-td, colspan: 22"][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]01/11[/TD]
[TD] @ GB [/TD]
[TD] L 21-26 [/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]78.9[/TD]
[TD]191[/TD]
[TD]10.1[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]143.6[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]7.0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
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So, in his playoff career, here are the numbers for all 6 games...

17/29 58.6% 1 TD 0 INT
18/36 50.0% 1 TD 1 INT
23/35 65.7% 2 TD 0 INT
22/35 62.9% 0 TD 1 INT
19/31 61.3% 2 TD 0 INT
15/19 78.9% 2 TD 0 INT

That's 10 TDs with 2 INTs and an overall completion percentage of 61.6%. And yes, again, one botched snap which was a choke job for sure. Still not a guarantee they win the game there, but it was a choke job on the hold...if that's where you've gotten this label from, it's clear you're a simpleton.

Outside of the Cowboys losing the games, which again football is more than just the QB, what did Romo do to lose these games himself?

Tip, there are only THREE games outside of these playoff games that you keep referring to where the Cowboys were in an "elimination" game. Pretty average stats for him in those 3 games, there's no denying that (outside of the 78.4% completion with 2 TDs and 1 INT game, you know 1/3rd of the games you referred to)...but if we add onto those the games in which the Cowboys clinched a playoff berth, we can pretty clearly see that Romo played extremely well in those 4 games (funny there's more of those games than the games you kept harping on).

I've only removed the playoff games from this exercise in the 2nd part of this post because I don't know how anyone could look at his playoff numbers and somehow suggest that he's choked away playoff games...it just wouldn't make any rational sense whatsoever...and anyone who kept insisting that, in the face of the actual numbers, would have to be considered an imbecile who shouldn't ever really be taken seriously (which you may already be to begin with). If that's not good enough for you, we can include the playoff games, the "elimination" games and the "clinching" games into one big sample size and see where that gets us. Quick hint...the numbers overall are really quite good.
 
We can actually do it very quickly, because math is fun...

22 TDs, 11 INTs, 274/425 for a 63.8% completion percentage. That is every "elimination" game as well as every "playoff hunt" game that Romo has played in. It encompasses a sample size of 13 games...that's 6 playoff games, 3 reg season "elimination" games, and 4 "playoff hunt" games.

Is this what you've been asking for, and we too lazy to look up yourself? What do you think now that you've seen the numbers you've been asking for? Not too fucking shabby huh (and you were pretty obviously wrong)? Clearly, he isn't a choke artist, nor is he necessarily the reason they lost any of those games, and certainly isn't the reason they lost all/most of those games. Wanna have some fun and see how your shitty Cleveland QBs have done in just basic regular season games over the past 2 fucking decades and see if any of those numbers even come remotely close to Romo's numbers that we've just seen?
 
Romo's just a Broncos fan at the end of the day anyway. And Tip, he didn't even spill a drop of beer, which you have to appreciate. Does anyone know what that hand gesture to his face is (and oh that face he makes right then)? Hahahahaha


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Wow! That's some serious copy-and-pasting. Can you dig up his championship game numbers? Shouldn't take nearly as long.
 
Lareux said:
You mean the season they won a playoff game, then went to GB and really only lost the game because of one of the worst catch/no catch calls the league has ever seen? You're right, they didn't win the SB, didn't make it to the Championship game even, but...they did nothing? And it was Romo's fault? Come on man, this take is worse than Bill's.
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10 years in the league and he's done nothing. In your eyes nothing is something. You're lost in trying to support Romo. Press on son
 
wiseplayer said:
10 years in the league and he's done nothing. In your eyes nothing is something. You're lost in trying to support Romo. Press on son
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Done nothing? The hate for Romo is based on a couple of bad plays that forever will last in your head.


Football is the ultimate team sport. He plays in arguably one of the toughest organizations to play for. His owner is an idiot that only cares about headlines.


When healthy, there are not 5 other active quarterbacks I would rather have start a game for my team.
 
wiseplayer said:
10 years in the league and he's done nothing. In your eyes nothing is something. You're lost in trying to support Romo. Press on son
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Hahahahaha.

So it's win a Super Bowl or you've "done nothing?" In a team sport no less? As if I didn't know not to give your opinions on football any weight already, this just confirms it. You can't be serious with this comment. Son...that's a good one too. Most unfitting username of all time.
 
tipyerbartender said:
Wow! That's some serious copy-and-pasting. Can you dig up his championship game numbers? Shouldn't take nearly as long.
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Sounds like someone who realizes he was wrong and isn't man enough to admit it. Hit the bottle Bill, come back in a few hours and let the funny flow...you're better at that by a lot.
 
nbafan88 said:
Done nothing? The hate for Romo is based on a couple of bad plays that forever will last in your head.


Football is the ultimate team sport. He plays in arguably one of the toughest organizations to play for. His owner is an idiot that only cares about headlines.


When healthy, there are not 5 other active quarterbacks I would rather have start a game for my team.
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Please. Cam, Brady, Ben, Wilson, Rodgers, Luck, Brees, I could go on. Which three do you bump off the island to make room for the ultimate choke?
 
Lareux said:
Sounds like someone who realizes he was wrong and isn't man enough to admit it. Hit the bottle Bill, come back in a few hours and let the funny flow...you're better at that by a lot.
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Lar, you worked deep into the night to verify his shitty record in elimination games. I can't thank you enough.
 
tipyerbartender said:
Please. Cam, Brady, Ben, Wilson, Rodgers, Luck, Brees, I could go on. Which three do you bump off the island to make room for the ultimate choke?
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I love Andrew Luck (he's in my top 5 of QBs I like), but you can't possibly have him on this list, he's never won anything either. Neither has Cam (yet, as he could this year). Now you're being hypocritical on top of foolish.

And unless YOU have proof for the word choke, you can't use that seriously anymore. I realize you're never serious to begin with as you're clouded with alcohol, but we literally just proved that Romo is not a choke and you were not even close with what you thought.
 
You'd think a team in the ultimate team sport in a quarterbacks league might elevate its "top 5 QB" (to quote NBAfan) to a conference championship game appearance once in a lengthy career. I guess he's merely the unluckiest quarterback in the history of the sport.
 
Andrew Luck has advanced deeper into the playoffs. It didn't take long either.
 
I'll say this about Romo. He's the best NFL quarterback to never play himself into an opportunity to lose in the semifinals. Dan Marino and Jim Kelly lost at the high roller table. Romo loses at the slots.
 
Romo is a fucking choke, Lar. I'll use whatever word fits. I love words.
 
maybe another thread. what does 2 pages of useless shit have to do with this SB 50???

start a homo thread or a football players who i hate thread!

jeebus!



NM.. thanks, just saw the title and the real SB thread!


ENJOY
 
I love it when dudes defend a quarterback who never wins the last game with "empirical evidence".

I'll respond when my team of scientists can calculate Romo's 4th-quarter QB rating X his undraftedness minus his owner's IQ divided by pi.
 
tipyerbartender said:
I love it when dudes defend a quarterback who never wins the last game with "empirical evidence".

I'll respond when my team of scientists can calculate Romo's 4th-quarter QB rating X his undraftedness minus his owner's IQ divided by pi.
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I'm simply defending him as not being a choke. You're moving the goalposts with this comment (one thing you are good at). You can't prove he's a choker because he clearly isn't. Unless you have a different definition of that word.
 
You can have the opinion all you'd like Tip too. But again, there's no need for anyone to ever take your football comments seriously for the rest of time if that's your opinion. No one is mad about it, it's just a fact. I realize no one takes your football comments seriously to begin with, just pointing it out. Your ignorance is showing right through the screen.
 
One of the many definitions of choke, off the top of my head, clear my throat ...

(noun) A man who handles the ball on every play, puts up eye-popping, ultimately meaningless numbers, but always, always, always loses the most important game of his season, at least two rounds and sometimes two months before other players' even more important games.
 
tipyerbartender said:
One of the many definitions of choke, off the top of my head, clear my throat ...

(noun) A man who handles the ball on every play, puts up eye-popping, ultimately meaningless numbers, but always, always, always loses the most important game of his season, at least two rounds and sometimes two months before other players' even more important games.
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I guess we've found the problem. That's a horrible definition. Is this a new comedy bit? I'd hope so, aren't you writing a novel? How's that novel going by the way? Been a while since you worked, no headway made on the novel? Are you secretly a talking dog from an animated show?
 
twinkie13 said:
I think the truth lies in between
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In between what? He's calling him a choke, I've proven he isn't. It's a yes or no answer Twinkie, he's either a choke or he's not. The numbers pretty clearly show he is not a choke. Tip was clamoring for the numbers for a while, when he got them, it became only about the record. We knew the record...football is a team game though. No one can dispute THEY haven't won anything, but it's pretty clearly not because of Tony Romo.
 
To get lar off my back, I'll just call him Romo the Unlucky. I think I remember him from The Hobbit.
 
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