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Woj and shams both saying it's almost done
Thomas, Crowder, zizic, and pick(s) woj saying most likely
Thomas, Crowder, zizic, and pick(s) woj saying most likely
Kyrie to the Celtics
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The unprotected Brooklyn pick next year
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Is Cleveland not better next year with IT doing Kyrie's scoring, both are turnstyles on d
And Crowder being a massive upgrade...
Then long term you get bagley or Porter prolly, Plus whatever trading Love gets you
Decent blank slate for the future
And Crowder being a massive upgrade...
Then long term you get bagley or Porter prolly, Plus whatever trading Love gets you
Decent blank slate for the future
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Ha ya but for LeBron he beats Kyrie
That can be his title next year and then he goes to LA anyway
That can be his title next year and then he goes to LA anyway
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Cavs won that trade
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Very true on not having to pay Thomas - also his hip injury still hasn't healed and/or if it will completely...
The Nets pick hurts. won't know how this turns out for a few years.
The longest tenured players on the Celtics are now Smart and Rozier. These two plus horford and Brown are the only players from last years team still on this years..
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I think it's a win-win situation for everyone involved.
Everyone (including myself) said that Ainge is holding out and not making any major play and just keeps stacking chips and when he finally makes a move, you criticize him for that?
Bottom line, Kyrie is a superstar and a player that I think is amazing and by far the best player that wore green jersey in the last 5 years. He is better than IT, better than GH and better than Horford. Yes, Ainge gave up a lot, but Boston can afford that. IT probably gave the best season of his career till the rest of his career, Nets pick can easily be Top 5 and not Top 1/2 pick and yes, Crowder is a very good and cheap player, but still... you have to give something of value to get a superstar...
IT off an injury, much much worse defender than Kyrie that struggled against Wizards, when they really focused on him and against Cleveland as well. Kyrie is also much younger and for 18/19 season, much cheaper as well.
Cleveland couldn't have done better, that's for sure, but Ainge made the right decision without a doubt in my opinion.
I also think that Boston now can easily be even to Cleveland, with Hayward, Kyrie and Horford against Bron, Love and IT... Boston still has few very good young players on paper, still has a good and valuable pick and still has multiple options...
Everyone (including myself) said that Ainge is holding out and not making any major play and just keeps stacking chips and when he finally makes a move, you criticize him for that?
Bottom line, Kyrie is a superstar and a player that I think is amazing and by far the best player that wore green jersey in the last 5 years. He is better than IT, better than GH and better than Horford. Yes, Ainge gave up a lot, but Boston can afford that. IT probably gave the best season of his career till the rest of his career, Nets pick can easily be Top 5 and not Top 1/2 pick and yes, Crowder is a very good and cheap player, but still... you have to give something of value to get a superstar...
IT off an injury, much much worse defender than Kyrie that struggled against Wizards, when they really focused on him and against Cleveland as well. Kyrie is also much younger and for 18/19 season, much cheaper as well.
Cleveland couldn't have done better, that's for sure, but Ainge made the right decision without a doubt in my opinion.
I also think that Boston now can easily be even to Cleveland, with Hayward, Kyrie and Horford against Bron, Love and IT... Boston still has few very good young players on paper, still has a good and valuable pick and still has multiple options...
Kyrie is one of the worst defensive players I've ever seen. He is a gifted scorer for sure and when he gets hot is very fun to watch but he is by no means a "superstar". Not even close. Superstar is reserved for about 4-5 guys in the league. He is not one of those.
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This is one of the most bizarre trades in all of sports that I can remember in recent history. Trade to your primary rival?
And what did Cleveland really gain? Do they think the pick is enough to keep Lebron around? I doubt it, think he just can't stand Gilbert and can't wait to dart.
And what did Cleveland really gain? Do they think the pick is enough to keep Lebron around? I doubt it, think he just can't stand Gilbert and can't wait to dart.
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Age though is a factor, plus contract, IT is basically a one and done with the cavs situation, maybe a sign and trade next summrr
I think because of that Crowder added would have been fair, maybe a Boston 1st or that Lakers 1st top 10 protected they have
The Brooklyn pick is insane though, especially in next year's draft which seems loaded in the top 3
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Kyrie did a hell of a defensive effort on Curry in Game 1 in 2015 Finals. He at least can defend. IT is much worse as a defender and off an injury...
If superstar is Top 5, he is probably not it, but I would say that Superstar is Top 20 player in the league and he is easily that... Probably even Top 15...
I am not agreeing with the premise here about this player comparison but get to the nuts and bolts of it and it shows how overrated Kyrie is.
Two things.
1. Kyrie cannot defend. I don't care if he tried hard one game 3 years ago he is simply awful.
2. There are 20 'superstars' in the league. That is basically saying almost both All-Star rosters have all superstars. That is just incorrect. That is the most overused term in sports.
I doubt Love will be there.
Crowder is a nice piece.
Who knows with IT.
Throw away IT and you still got a potential high draft pick, Crowder and filler for Kyrie. That isn't awful in itself.
If IT is healthy for playoffs, the Cavs are better now because they picked up some defense with Crowder. IT and Kyrie cancel each other out as defensive players.
Crowder is a nice piece.
Who knows with IT.
Throw away IT and you still got a potential high draft pick, Crowder and filler for Kyrie. That isn't awful in itself.
If IT is healthy for playoffs, the Cavs are better now because they picked up some defense with Crowder. IT and Kyrie cancel each other out as defensive players.
Irving won’t come cheap, and before any team turns over the reins to the four-time all-star it should be aware he has yet to prove he is up to the task of elevating the players around him.
Before James’s return in 2014, the Cavaliers were outscored by at least 5.1 net points per 100 possessions with Irving on the court, roughly the same production we expect from a team that wins 25 to 27 games a season. In 2014-15 Cleveland had a net rating of plus-0.9 with Irving on the court and James on the bench. The next season that declined to minus-0.5 and then again to minus-8 in 2016-17, a mark lower than the 26-win Los Angeles Lakers(minus-7.2 net rating) last season. When Irving was without the services of James and Kevin Love, the team’s net rating dropped even further to minus-12.8.
Before James’s return in 2014, the Cavaliers were outscored by at least 5.1 net points per 100 possessions with Irving on the court, roughly the same production we expect from a team that wins 25 to 27 games a season. In 2014-15 Cleveland had a net rating of plus-0.9 with Irving on the court and James on the bench. The next season that declined to minus-0.5 and then again to minus-8 in 2016-17, a mark lower than the 26-win Los Angeles Lakers(minus-7.2 net rating) last season. When Irving was without the services of James and Kevin Love, the team’s net rating dropped even further to minus-12.8.
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https://nesn.com/2017/08/nba-rumors-some-celtics-players-werent-that-fond-of-isaiah-thomas/amp/
Can't remember the last player who left Boston outside PP in any sport who didn't get trashed from 'leaks' on the way out
Can't remember the last player who left Boston outside PP in any sport who didn't get trashed from 'leaks' on the way out
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They don't cancel each other out, while they both suck on defense, Kyrie being 6 inches taller makes a difference, it also gives Stevens a chance with the team defense. He doesn't have to send a help defender every single time.
Lot more positive than your comment above..
Getting a younger, taller player entering the prime of his career under contract for 2+ years in exchange for an undersized injured guard who is going to demand a big contract at the end of this year.
On a side note I don't know much about Morris. If he doesn't go to jail, can he play defense?
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Never heard any whispers of this., I wouldn't trust Broussard he hates Boston.
KG, Ray Bourque, Avery Bradley no one trashed them, though I wouldBradley
The leaks aren't leaks. It is sports radio looking for ratings and the vindictive sports writers trying to get clicks...both lead with "sources" and that makes it ok for them to spew these stories..
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They don't cancel each other out, while they both suck on defense, Kyrie being 6 inches taller makes a difference, it also gives Stevens a chance with the team defense. He doesn't have to send a help defender every single time.
Lot more positive than your comment above..
Getting a younger, taller player entering the prime of his career under contract for 2+ years in exchange for an undersized injured guard who is going to demand a big contract at the end of this year.
On a side note I don't know much about Morris. If he doesn't go to jail, can he play defense?[/QUOTE]
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Boston did ok on this, let's not sugar coat it...they are going to be a fun watch. And the defense will absolutely suck.
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