I am shocked .. (ND vs GT thread)

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I am really suprised that we havent had a thread started on this game. Obviously i hate Tech. They are very Jeckyl and Hyde. Win at Miami then lose at home to NC State. This is an interesting game, being on National TV.. Anyone have any leans??

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I'd lean on GTech but probably not playing it because of Jeckyl and Hyde factor.

Have fun with your "meteor game".
 
I Love GA TECH. Catching 8.5 at home,against a team that can't stop the run.Should be a tight game.If BALL doesn't do something stupid, TECH might win out right.
 
this is probably one of the first games I scratched off the list. Both teams have an equal chance of covering and this one will have too much public attention for my liking.
 
MistaFlava said:
this is probably one of the first games I scratched off the list. Both teams have an equal chance of covering and this one will have too much public attention for my liking.

huh? how is too much public attention a bad thang? u really think many people wit all tha hype ND is gettin will be all over tech here in this spot? many people are already sayin ND has a great shot at goin 12-0. so if there will be too much public attention on this game, much more so towards ND, an u sayin "both teams have an equal chance of covering" how is tech not tha play gettin 8.5 points at home?
 
trupicker said:
huh? how is too much public attention a bad thang? u really think many people wit all tha hype ND is gettin will be all over tech here in this spot? many people are already sayin ND has a great shot at goin 12-0. so if there will be too much public attention on this game, much more so towards ND, an u sayin "both teams have an equal chance of covering" how is tech not tha play gettin 8.5 points at home?


you tell me how they are not the play with a detailed writeup...thanks
 
Im still waitin for his writeup on how arkansas is better than last years arkansas team, especially now that Mcfadden who was the main focuse is out!
 
i asked u a question, u contradicted yourself. dont get pissy flava i was simply askin if u think this will be a big public game, public will no doubt side wit ND here, an u see that both sides have an equal shot at coverin. then how is takin tha home dog not tha spot to be in if u feel both have an equal shot to cover this? simple questin, im not bustin ur balls about nothin here.
 
trupicker said:
i asked u a question, u contradicted yourself. dont get pissy flava i was simply askin if u think this will be a big public game, public will no doubt side wit ND here, an u see that both sides have an equal shot at coverin. then how is takin tha home dog not tha spot to be in if u feel both have an equal shot to cover this? simple questin, im not bustin ur balls about nothin here.

bottom line is that I am not going against the Quinn-Weiss connection this year...so no play for me.
 
Injuries test depth on defensive line
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[FONT=geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Tuesday, August 15, 2006[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The suggestion that Georgia Tech has good defensive line depth is being tested as starting end Darrell Robertson's sore neck sent him to the sideline with top backup end Michael Johnson on Monday.
That bumped starting tackle Joe Anoai to one end spot with Adamm Oliver at the other when starters worked. Darryl Richard remained at tackle, and backup Vance Walker filled Anoai's spot.
"Injuries happen," defensive line coach Giff Smith said. "Everybody's got to know every position, and we're going to put the best four out there. We'll move Joe to end if we have to. Obviously, we want to get Robertson and Johnson back, and we will, and we'll be that much better for it."
Anoai, a senior, has played some end before.
Coach Chan Gailey said Robertson's neck "stiffened up," after Saturday's scrimmage, and now he's wearing a precautionary collar. Robertson said little more than, "I'll be back out there."
Johnson plays with 'no limitations'
Wide receiver Calvin Johnson, who missed several practices last week with a left leg injury, looked fine in Monday morning's practices. "I'm in on every play," he said. "I have no limitations; I'm doing everything."
Gailey bites tongue after scrimmage
Gailey didn't overheat after the offense struggled in the scrimmage, but he suggested that several players learn from a tape of it.
"The worst thing in the world is to have a total knee-jerk reaction," he said. "I think what you have to do is demand better execution. I would've yelled and screamed before if that was the answer. Better execution is the answer. If you're a competitor a lick, it better make you a little upset."
Wrotto, Johnson miss early practice
Starting right tackle Mansfield Wrotto, who injured his left foot late in Saturday's scrimmage, and reserve defensive end Michael Johnson (undisclosed injury) were not at practice Monday morning as they visited a doctor.
Both were at the evening practice, but did not participate. "[Wrotto's] going to be fine," Gailey said. "[Johnson's] still seeing [specialists]."
Gailey said he expects Johnson to play Sept. 2 against Notre Dame.
Competition gets hot at cornerback
Jahi Word-Daniels (right knee) returned to cornerback after missing a couple of practices and made nice plays on some deep balls.
Avery Roberson is pushing him for playing time and competing with starting safety Djay Jones, who Gailey said "is nursing" an injury or more.
Cox mentors his young teammates Fullback Mike Cox, out nearly a week with a shoulder injury, said, "I've got to teach the young fullbacks, so I've become like a player-coach."
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Well now.

Let me give this scenario.

I dont usually write up much about my capping habits but this one I'll share.

Turn back the clock to last year.

Lets pretend that GT is playing Notre Dame in a bowl game on a neutral site. As you know GT was beaten by UTAH 38-10 . I think the Closing Line was - Gt was favored by 8.5

NDame lost to Ohio State 34-20. Dame CL was the dog getting 5.5

What do you think the line would have been for that game? I would say that at the very least GT would have been a 10 point dog to Notre Dame.


Fast forward to now.

ND is returning 16 starters and a Heismann-level QB. They were battle tested against good bunch of bowl teams during the season

GT was ranked 104 in the nation in offensive scoring last year. NOT good and its one reason why they are barely in the top 25 and may not be there very long.
Even with Reggie Ball they wont be able to score much on the Irish, IMO.

With second year coach Charlie Weis working out the bugs at ND this team is going to really shine on both sides of the ball this season. Remember that they only lost to UCS by three.

This one will be a walk - quarter by quarter, as Dame wins by enough to cover.

GLTA
 
Notre Dame is looking more and more like a play:

Offensive line takes beating from injuries
[SIZE=-2]Matt Winkeljohn - Staff[/SIZE]

[FONT=geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Thursday, August 17, 2006[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]It's clear that Georgia Tech's football team is quite beat up, especially along both lines, and that the offensive line is in dreadful shape as starting guards Nate McManus and Matt Rhodes weren't even at practice Wednesday.
Beyond that, it's shades of gray, although coach Chan Gailey said, "I think this is the most [injured players] we've ever had [in his four-plus years at Tech]," and he admitted that an offensive line missing three starters is "a little tenuous, and that's probably being positive."
McManus (left leg) and Rhodes were injured in Tuesday's scrimmage. Their absence and those of starting right tackle Mansfield Wrotto (left ankle) and top backup guard Jacob Lonowski (shoulder) made it tough on the entire offense in a week where two defensive linemen have switched to offense.
"We just have to continue to practice like those guys [McManus and Rhodes] aren't going to be back, but hopefully they will be," center Kevin Tuminello said.
Gailey most often speaks of injured players in terms of whether they're expected to be out long- or short-term.
When asked if he knew enough to predict that McManus or Rhodes --- who visited doctors Wednesday --- might return short-term, the coach said, "I don't know that much yet."
It got worse Wednesday after backup center Trey Dunmon moved to No. 1 right guard and backup right guard LeShawn Newberry moved to No. 1 left guard.
Dunmon went down screaming late in practice and was taken from the field. He was replaced by Dan Voss. "It was a leg, but I don't know what part," Gailey said of Dunmon.
Monday, the Jackets moved sophomore defensive linemen David Brown and Andrew Folkner, a walk-on, to right tackle and center. Also, Will Miller, who has been injured, has moved from tackle to guard.
Wednesday, Brown and Folkner were second-teamers.
"It's extremely hard [to practice], especially when you went into the season thinking [the offensive line] was a strength, and now all of the sudden we're really scrambling," Gailey said. "We've got guys playing in that second offensive line that have been in the offensive line for two days."
Anyaibe fills in at end
Starting defensive ends Darrell Robertson (who is no longer wearing a precautionary collar on his neck) and Adamm Oliver (sprained ankle) and top reserve Michael Johnson were out, so backup tackle Elris Anyaibe moved to starting end.
Two days earlier, starting tackle Joe Anoai moved to the other end. Regarding injured defenders, including safety Djay Jones, Gailey said, "I don't see them out past the middle of next week."
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Weiss is too good a coach to not be able to score on this GT team. They battled a NFL esk defense in Ohio State last year.. and now he's had a weeks to prepare for GT. I'm jumping on this one with the public... even though I think 8 keeps the average Joe gambler a little skeptical...
 
Gailey covers as Ball passes
[SIZE=-2]Mike Knobler - Staff[/SIZE]

[FONT=geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Sunday, August 20, 2006[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Reggie Ball and Georgia Tech's offense have struggled in scrimmages this preseason, and Saturday's was no exception.
But Tech coach Chan Gailey has seen enough in the other practices to not read too much into just 60 yards passing on a 7-for-17 day, with one touchdown and one interception. Ball looked sharp on Thursday and Friday.
"I feel like Reggie's going to have the best year he's ever had," Gailey said. "I think he's going to take another good jump. How high that is I don't know, but I think he's going to take a good jump this year and be a good leader for this football team."
You'll have to guess what Ball thinks of his preseason and what it bodes for his senior year. He hasn't spoken with reporters since Tech's news conference before the first practice.
"He said, 'Hey, can I wait until after [the opener against] Notre Dame before I start talking to the press?' And I said, 'Why?' And he said, 'You know.' And I said, 'You're right, I know.' Because things get twisted and something gets said, and he just wants to focus on playing quarterback," Gailey said. "And I said, 'Fine, I'll cover for you.' "
So, Gailey was asked, "Does that mean we can ask you questions and you'll give us a Reggie Ball answer?"
Gailey played along.
"What happened on the interception?"
"I just threw it a little bit late, but I wouldn't have done that in a ballgame," Gailey/Ball answered. "I was trying to see if I could get it into somebody down there, but I'd never do that in a game."
Greg Smith closing fast on receiver job
Tech's receiver rotation appeared set coming out of spring practice. James Johnson, who missed the spring because of injury, was expected to start opposite Calvin Johnson. Senior Chris Dunlap would be the third receiver in the three-receiver set. But two weeks before Tech's opener, another name has entered the picture. Redshirt freshman Greg Smith has had such a strong preseason he's contending for one of those jobs.
"He's made a real big jump. If he keeps getting reps out there, he's going to play a lot, and he could be in the first three before we get to the first game," Gailey said. "He's made some big plays, almost one a scrimmage.
"He's an elusive guy. He's a long strider, but he's elusive for a long strider. Most long striders are one-dimensional; they're straight-ahead guys. But he's got some sideways to him that allows him to be elusive."
Smith made one catch Saturday, but it was a big one. On fourth-and-11 he caught a pass from Taylor Bennett short of the first down marker, put a hand down to keep his balance and crossed the field ahead of safety Djay Jones to complete a 13-yard play.
James Johnson has been in and out of practice this preseason, and Xavier McGuire has been out, and that's given a lot of plays to Smith with the first and second teams.
A.J. Smith tries on line position switch
Yes, that was A.J. Smith playing at right guard with the first team offense in the second half of the scrimmage. Tech fans might have been surprised to see the 6-foot-7 1/2, 300-pounder lined up anywhere but tackle. Smith was surprised, too. He learned about the possibility in meetings before the scrimmage.
"It was an experience," he said. "I like playing, so wherever I can help the team and compete and play, I'm down for it."
Smith worked with the first team at tackle when Mansfield Wrotto was hurt. With guards Matt Rhodes, Nate McManus and Jacob Lonowski hurt, Tech wanted to see what Smith could do there. McManus, who attended the scrimmage on crutches, and Rhodes are both expected to be able to play against Notre Dame, as are injured defensive ends Darrell Robertson and Michael Johnson.)
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You know, all I ever read anymore is bad reports coming out of Georgia Tech's fall camp! I'm really starting to warm up to Notre Dame in this game as a play.
 
I originally liked GT, but TJ is making GT his biggest play fo the year and I can't back Reggie Ball, he always finds a way to fuck a game up.
 
I think both GT and Arkansas are shaping up to be public dogs. I am hearing just as many people talking about taking GT as Notre Dame.

I think the sharp play is wait and see what the line does and if it goes beneath 7 somehow then take ND. Otherwise just watch and enjoy...
 
Garf--With you on that one. I think ND wins by at least 7 but public is on the dog.

Not much action on Mansion but the first big play was on GTech +7.5 (+100) for $4K.
 
UTSUX said:
I Love GA TECH. Catching 8.5 at home,against a team that can't stop the run.Should be a tight game.If BALL doesn't do something stupid, TECH might win out right.


I agree with everything u said here. Domers cannot stop the run and which Ball will show up. those are the questions. i'll drop some small action on Tech and pray Ball shows up.
 
ND Defense is getting a lot of shit...hell, their defensive woes from last year was on the front page of ESPN yesterday..they will show up and score on almost every series..Tech having a good D is a misnomer, they have 4 returning starters...the only person that scares me is Calvin Johnson...I know Ball will throw a pick or 2....no PJ Daniels either.
 
TheGarfather said:
I think both GT and Arkansas are shaping up to be public dogs. I am hearing just as many people talking about taking GT as Notre Dame.

I think the sharp play is wait and see what the line does and if it goes beneath 7 somehow then take ND. Otherwise just watch and enjoy...

I think most of us will be utterly shocked if that happens, and I'll play ND at that point. I have a lot of trouble believing GT can keep up offensively with ND. My thinking leads me to a 2 or 3TD ND win....if I HAD to make a choice.

I don't have to. I think there's a lot of value elsewhere without contemplating GT's ups and downs last year...wins at Auburn & Miami and a bizarre home loss to NCSU. I think perhaps at Virginia Tech on Sept 30th might make for some better value...at least for a GT cover.
 
Pat Jones, former Oklahoma State head coach and Miami Dolphins assistant coach now gives commentary on his own talk show in Tulsa Oklahoma. He was talking about the Notre Dame game yesterday and he believes, from a coaching perspective, that Notre Dame will lose SU against Georgia Tech.

His two criteria are defense and last year's strength of schedule. He pointed out the same thing we have acknowledged in here -- last season, Notre Dame's defense stopped very few teams. He doesn't believe they will be very much improved this season.

He had an interesting point on Strength of Schedule played. Notice the overall season records for teams Notre Dame beat last season:

Pittsburgh 5-6
Michigan 7-5
They got beat by Mich St a 5-6 team last year
Washington 2-9
Purdue 5-6
BYU 6-6
Tennessee 5-6
Navy 8-4
Syracuse 1-10
Stanford 5-6

Guys, Michigan and Navy were the only two teams they beat last year with winning records, so why is the public so high on this team to win the National Championship?

Georgia Tech has a strong defense -- they almost always do, but their offense is inconsistent. Still, after considering that Notre Dame is probably not all they are blown up to be, I'm not considering playing this game anymore.
 
What makes Pat Jones think GT has a strong defense this year?

I always cap a game saying last year is last year, fuck it....no team is the same year in and year out. I just do not see ND losing this one...and they should cover. THey have a good leader on defense in zbikowski and even if GT scores, ND will score more.

I see a lot of people saying this is a no play and it is a public ND play blah blah, and GT is tough..tell me why? just becasue they notoriously are? Ball will make mistakes. What good is Calvin Johnson if the QB can't get him the ball? this has blowout all over it IMO.
 
Hunt, G Tech only graduated less than 50% of their defensive production and they have always emphsized strong aggressive defensive play. I don't see any different that even with only 5 players returning. Out of those 5, there was 52% of defensive production from last year's season.

Who did Notre Dame really beat last year? Is everyone remembering the USC/ND game and predicting ND to be so much better this season? Their schedule is tougher this year and I look for them to lose at least 2 games. I didn't see enough production from their defense last year to warrant giving them the National Title this year. I thought about playing them this game because the line looked so low. However, after reconsidering these facts, I think the line is about right.
 
Tech is strange how do you beat miami and auburn then lose to nc state at home.. f this game.. more important f tech
 
den..

I do agree that ND will not win it, but they should win this particular game comfortably, especially with Weiss in his second year. Although Gt's defense is usually strong I jsut think ND offense is particularly strong this year...maybe even better than OSU's.
 
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