CASH
Pretty much a regular
crap...
Friday 02/07/14 NBA discussion thread
- Thread starter divol
- Start date
L
Lareux
Guest
It shouldn't be something you believe in or not though, we're talking about gambling, not religion or astrology. It should be whether or not it works and is profitable. You can 'believe in it' all you want, but if it isn't profitable what is the point? I'm not picking on you nbafan either, just talking about this topic in general.
L
Lareux
Guest
College teams typically only play on 2 or 3 days out of the week though (each conference is different days for the most part), completely different in the NBA. Hawaii isn't a good example when this is the NBA forum.
I say show the results that you have had using the day of the week to make wagers.
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
Don't really know how you want to "prove it"..... and there are plenty of beliefs in handicapping...
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
is what is posted above not enough?
betman4ever
Pretty much a regular
Like a lot 1st half over in NO game.. I also took earlier 1st hlaf over in Orlando game , Detroit, Sacarmento and Portland tt over for the 1st half
Can Lakers score enough points for the game to go over if Blake doesn't play ?
Can Lakers score enough points for the game to go over if Blake doesn't play ?
L
Lareux
Guest
Prove it with stats showing the results that it makes sense to use the day of the week as a system. What do you mean you don't know how to prove it? When you said 6 pt teasers in the NFL were sucker bets a few weeks ago (that was your belief), we showed you stats and results that proved they were anything but sucker bets (it's not a belief that they work, stats and evidence showed they really are profitable...that's no longer a belief, it's a fact). This isn't a tough concept...someone made a claim that using days of the week matters and can get you results...show the results.
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
[h=1]Tristan Thompson’s Defense Contributing to Cavaliers Collapse[/h]
By Trevor Magnotti - <time datetime="2014-02-05">Feb 5th, 2014 at 10:00 am</time>
<nav role="navigation" id="nav-below" class="navigation-post"> Previous
Next
</nav> <article itemscope="" itemtype="http://nik.io/v1/schema/Article">
With the chaos surrounding the Cavaliers right now, a majority of the conversation is focused on two of the Cavs’ young talents. Kyrie Irving is taking heat for not caring, not being a leader, and possibly not wanting to be here. Dion Waiters is taking heat for being an outlaw of sorts, speaking in the third person, and doing all of the things that lead some to believe he’s destined to be the next J.R. Smith or Nick Young. Talking about these two is the hot topic, and an important one. After all, much of the immediate and distant future of the franchise rests in the decisions that will resolve the issues surrounding these two. However, right now, the spotlight on Kyrie and Dion has kept it away from the player who is definitely struggling more than either of them on this spiral into the cellar, and is arguably the most disappointing of the three young core pieces on the Cavs this season. And while it’s no hot topic like the Kyrie/Dion rift has been, Tristan Thompson, and particularly his defense, has been very concerning lately.
Opposing power forwards have shredded the Cavs over the course of this five-game losing streak. Here’s how bad it’s been:
This performance on the streak has been indicative of some of the major red flags with how Thompson has played this season. We applauded Thompson for his massive progress in his sophomore season, transforming from bewildered rookie to potential stud rebounder, blooming defender, and locker room rubber cement. This season, that growth has evaporated. Thompson switched shooting hands this offseason, to little effect on his offensive game other than a slight uptick in free throw percentage. His rebounding rate is down, as is his assist rate. And defensively, we’ve seen zero improvement from Thompson. This is perhaps the most concerning piece of the lack of development.
Thompson made us hopeful last season by demonstrating a strong post presence on defense, and also flashing the capability to guard some perimeter guys. However, we haven’t seen that this year. While Thompson is still a decent post defender, only allowing 0.86 points per possession according to Synergy, he still has his struggles here. He doesn’t deny post position well at all, and he really struggles with guys who have quick moves or strong fadeaway shots. His pick-and-roll defense and isolation defense are his real weak points, because while he has good length to contenst shots, Thompson really just doesn’t have the quickness to keep up with mobile forwards or point guards. The pick-and-roll defense is somewhat of a stylistic problem, because the way the Cavs attempt to defend pick-and-rolls doesn’t really even make sense in theory. However, the isolation issues are prevalent, particularly against these mobile forwards. The Knicks shredded Thompson with ISO plays, particularly when Thompson got switched onto J.R. Smith, a nightmare matchup for him.
When Thompson is defending one-on-one, he primarily relies on his length instead of foot speed. Thompson has fairly long arms, and this allows him to contest jumpers easily. He had a lot of success with this against Dallas, because the Mavericks kept pulling up against him. However, when guys (like J.R. Smith or Melo) attempt to take him off the dribble, he still relies on length, which leads to him either getting beat or fouling. Both occur quite often. Quite simply, Thompson isn’t quick enough to defend guys with any mobility outside of the paint, which seems like an issue given the high number of stretch-fours and quick, athletic power forwards currently in the NBA. For every Greg Monroe that Thompson gets to guard, there are two or three Terrence Jones’s or Josh Smiths. If Thompson is going to be a plus defender, he needs to get quicker. That’s the next step here.
Realistically, Thompson’s probably going to be alright defensively. He’s still got time to develop that quickness, and to develop a better understanding of positioning, which is something that comes with time in the NBA. However, I’m not sure that happens here, and under Mike Brown. It’s somewhat concerning that Thompson took a huge leap forward last year under Byron Scott, whose defense was a comedy of errors, and under a so-called defense-minded coach, has actually regressed. Maybe it is because he and Anderson Varejao are incongruent pieces defensively, because they do much of the same things well and have similar flaws. Maybe it’s because he took so much time to attempt to fix his offensive game this off-season, and didn’t give his defense enough focus to blossom. Either way, it’s important to note that Thompson’s defense is an important piece of the Cavaliers’ issues this season, and he needs to fix his defensive game if the Cavs are going to commit to him long-term.
</article>
By Trevor Magnotti - <time datetime="2014-02-05">Feb 5th, 2014 at 10:00 am</time>
<nav role="navigation" id="nav-below" class="navigation-post"> Previous
Next
</nav> <article itemscope="" itemtype="http://nik.io/v1/schema/Article">
With the chaos surrounding the Cavaliers right now, a majority of the conversation is focused on two of the Cavs’ young talents. Kyrie Irving is taking heat for not caring, not being a leader, and possibly not wanting to be here. Dion Waiters is taking heat for being an outlaw of sorts, speaking in the third person, and doing all of the things that lead some to believe he’s destined to be the next J.R. Smith or Nick Young. Talking about these two is the hot topic, and an important one. After all, much of the immediate and distant future of the franchise rests in the decisions that will resolve the issues surrounding these two. However, right now, the spotlight on Kyrie and Dion has kept it away from the player who is definitely struggling more than either of them on this spiral into the cellar, and is arguably the most disappointing of the three young core pieces on the Cavs this season. And while it’s no hot topic like the Kyrie/Dion rift has been, Tristan Thompson, and particularly his defense, has been very concerning lately.
Opposing power forwards have shredded the Cavs over the course of this five-game losing streak. Here’s how bad it’s been:
- Sunday vs. Phoenix: Markieff Morris – 27 points, 15 rebounds
- Tuesday vs. New Orleans: Anthony Davis – 30 points, seven rebounds, three assists, eight blocks
- Thursday at New York: Carmelo Anthony – 29 minutes, five rebounds
- Saturday at Houston: Terrence Jones – 17 points, seven rebounds
- Monday at Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki – 23 points, eight rebounds
This performance on the streak has been indicative of some of the major red flags with how Thompson has played this season. We applauded Thompson for his massive progress in his sophomore season, transforming from bewildered rookie to potential stud rebounder, blooming defender, and locker room rubber cement. This season, that growth has evaporated. Thompson switched shooting hands this offseason, to little effect on his offensive game other than a slight uptick in free throw percentage. His rebounding rate is down, as is his assist rate. And defensively, we’ve seen zero improvement from Thompson. This is perhaps the most concerning piece of the lack of development.
Thompson made us hopeful last season by demonstrating a strong post presence on defense, and also flashing the capability to guard some perimeter guys. However, we haven’t seen that this year. While Thompson is still a decent post defender, only allowing 0.86 points per possession according to Synergy, he still has his struggles here. He doesn’t deny post position well at all, and he really struggles with guys who have quick moves or strong fadeaway shots. His pick-and-roll defense and isolation defense are his real weak points, because while he has good length to contenst shots, Thompson really just doesn’t have the quickness to keep up with mobile forwards or point guards. The pick-and-roll defense is somewhat of a stylistic problem, because the way the Cavs attempt to defend pick-and-rolls doesn’t really even make sense in theory. However, the isolation issues are prevalent, particularly against these mobile forwards. The Knicks shredded Thompson with ISO plays, particularly when Thompson got switched onto J.R. Smith, a nightmare matchup for him.
When Thompson is defending one-on-one, he primarily relies on his length instead of foot speed. Thompson has fairly long arms, and this allows him to contest jumpers easily. He had a lot of success with this against Dallas, because the Mavericks kept pulling up against him. However, when guys (like J.R. Smith or Melo) attempt to take him off the dribble, he still relies on length, which leads to him either getting beat or fouling. Both occur quite often. Quite simply, Thompson isn’t quick enough to defend guys with any mobility outside of the paint, which seems like an issue given the high number of stretch-fours and quick, athletic power forwards currently in the NBA. For every Greg Monroe that Thompson gets to guard, there are two or three Terrence Jones’s or Josh Smiths. If Thompson is going to be a plus defender, he needs to get quicker. That’s the next step here.
Realistically, Thompson’s probably going to be alright defensively. He’s still got time to develop that quickness, and to develop a better understanding of positioning, which is something that comes with time in the NBA. However, I’m not sure that happens here, and under Mike Brown. It’s somewhat concerning that Thompson took a huge leap forward last year under Byron Scott, whose defense was a comedy of errors, and under a so-called defense-minded coach, has actually regressed. Maybe it is because he and Anderson Varejao are incongruent pieces defensively, because they do much of the same things well and have similar flaws. Maybe it’s because he took so much time to attempt to fix his offensive game this off-season, and didn’t give his defense enough focus to blossom. Either way, it’s important to note that Thompson’s defense is an important piece of the Cavaliers’ issues this season, and he needs to fix his defensive game if the Cavs are going to commit to him long-term.
</article>
CASH
Pretty much a regular
added pistons tt over 103 and 1st half over 51
kings over 1st half over 51
mavs over 53.5
2nd qtr over 50.5
Pelicans over 49.5 1st half
:shake:
Really like this Utah team when pieces on the floor. Away? Not so sure.
nbafan88
Pretty much a regular
Well considering the newer is there they might be playing to save their jobs
CASH
Pretty much a regular
Typical 4th for them...
Which is why I usually stay away from a full game team total...
CASH
Pretty much a regular
nice job!
CASH
Pretty much a regular
Discuss in Saturdays thread please
Similar threads
