Dll football playoffs

[s--k]

All games on ESPN+

Saturday, November 29, 2025

MATCHUP​	TIME​	tickets​	Location / Weather​
Assumption	@ 1 Kutztown	12:00 PM		Andre Reed Stadium, Kutztown, PA
Frostburg State	@ California (PA)	12:00 PM		Adamson Stadium, Brownsville, PA
Ashland	@ 1 Ferris State	1:00 PM		Top Taggart Field, Big Rapids, MI
Benedict College	@ 1 Albany State	1:00 PM		Albany State University Coliseum, Albany, GA
Newberry	@ West Florida	1:00 PM		Pen-Air Field, Pensacola, FL
Pittsburg State	@ 1 Harding University	2:00 PM		First Security Stadium, Searcy, AR
Minnesota State	@ Indianapolis	2:00 PM		Key Stadium, Indianapolis, IN
UT Permian Basin	@ Western Colorado	3:00 PM		Mountaineer Bowl, Gunnison, CO

Last year MyBookie did not post ANY Dll playoff games. And right now I'm pessimistic they will this year. We believe they base their releases from Massey odds and yesterday Massey did not have any Dll playoff matchups on their site and this morning their site is down. I will wait to message MB until I know Massey lines are available.

So this could be a whole bunch of nothing, as it was last year. I'd like to follow along a bit so hopefully there will be some betting action to be had.

 

[CPA-hole]

Earlier this morning before Massey crashed, it had only the Nov 27th Tuskeegee/Alabama St game listed. So not inspiring confidence at this point.

I'll continue to treat it like a normal week and post my thoughts.

 

[CPA-hole]

Valdosta, Duluth, and Mankato are the 3 road teams that should actually be favored.

 

[s--k]

I will disclaim once for the rest of the thread, I have not seen almost all these teams play and have not followed this subdivision other than for a couple hours while lines are released Saturday morning and then checking final scores. I do try and bet it by comparing other PRs to the odds available and briefily looking at some recent history. CPA has been helpful to my understanding of who these teams are.

With that said, Valdosta has had a good finish to the season and I guess that is who we should believe they are at the moment. But are they that much better than Albany or do you think they should be favored in terms of perception and name/brand people know which will effect the betting line?

 

[CPA-hole]

I will disclaim once for the rest of the thread, I have not seen almost all these teams play and have not followed this subdivision other than for a couple hours while lines are released Saturday morning and then checking final scores. I do try and bet it by comparing other PRs to the odds available and briefily looking at some recent history. CPA has been helpful to my understanding of who these teams are.

With that said, Valdosta has had a good finish to the season and I guess that is who we should believe they are at the moment. But are they that much better than Albany or do you think they should be favored in terms of perception and name/brand people know which will effect the betting line?

I was going by Massey numbers. If you go by his numbers, Valdosta is 4.53 points higher but im not sure how the hfa for Albany would be quanified in that.

 

[CPA-hole]

Massey seems to be back up now.

 

[CPA-hole]

But going back to Valdosta, it also goes back to them playing in a better league, (even though its only 3 other teams). Same goes for Duluth and Mankato who play in the NSIC. That is traditionally a better league than the Great Lakes that Findlay and Ashland play in.

 

[Marlo]

I follow UMD-Duluth, they are legit. Dont know if they can get past Ferris in the 2nd round though.

 

[CPA-hole]

Ferris has been really sloppy the last couple of weeks turning over the ball. Seems like if you can spread them out on defense, they've had some issues

 

[s--k]

Massey has lines this morning

Massey Ratings - CF Games

CF,College Football,NCAA D2, game scores, schedules, and predictions

masseyratings.com

 

[CPA-hole]

Yes, Sir. One step down. One long one to go.

 

[s--k]

I sent them a message. Previously I have chatted with them on suggestions or whatever. Maybe the message/email thing will get to the right person.

 

[CPA-hole]

I shall do the same.

 

[s--k]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

Concerning the Division 2 Football games this Saturday, unfortunately we will not have those lines available.

I don't know if more people requested them it could change their mind, but probably not. Who's got the Dll local connection, haha

 

[s--k]

I thought I could create a pick'em like I did before with FCS, the officefootballpool thing changed to something called splash and another name runyourpool, it's all the same, but they don't have any Dll games. I don't know how to do a google form style pick'em. Likely not enough interest here anyway, but would be nice to be involved somehow

 

[carolinablue]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:



I don't know if more people requested them it could change their mind, but probably not. Who's got the Dll local connection, haha

Not sure if it will make a difference but I just shot them a long detailed request about it so will keep you posted once they respond to my ticket.

 

[CPA-hole]

I got the same response @s--k got.

 

[carolinablue]

Reads like a copy and paste but at least they didn’t give a firm no, so there’s hope haha.


Rest assured, we will add the lines for this market, once we have information on the odds from our official sources.


Thank you for your patience during this time. We hope you continue to enjoy our currently available markets.

 

[s--k]

Maybe more people asking they are like 'ok maybe' or just different people responding in different ways without actually knowing

 

[CPA-hole]

Lines from Massey. I made the moneyline ones.

Bentley 48.5. +1700
Kutztown -28.5. -3500

Assumption 53.5. +550
IUP -16.5. -800

Frostburg St. 49.5 +190
JC Smith -6.5. -240

Cal PA 57.5. +225
Virginia Union -5.5. -285

Valdosta St -2.5. -140
Albany St. 57.5. +120

Benedict 49.5. +800
Wingate -20.5. -1500

North Greenville 56.5 +575
West Florida -17.5. -850

Kentucky St. 59.5. +255
Newberry -7.5. -7.5

Northwood 58.5. +2500
Ferris St -31.5. -5000

MN Duluth -3.5. -185
Ashland 48.5. +160

MN Mankato -3.5. -170
Findlay 48.5. +150

Truman St 62.5. +360
IU Indy -11.5. -475

NW Mizzu St 53.5. +255
Harding -7.5. -340

Chadron St. 48.5. +1250
Pittsburg St -24.5. -2800

UTPB. 56.5. +190
CSU Pueblo -6.5. -240

Western Colorado 53.5. +255
Central Washington -7.5 -350

 

[CPA-hole]

Yeah we probably can't bet them, but I'm still excited for them. Allegedly they are all on ESPN+. 12 kick at 1:00. Quick thoughts.

*Bentley and Assumption seem outclassed
*JC Smith probably my favorite play. (-6.5)
*Virginia Union/ California PA seems like more of a rock fight for a 58.5 total.

*Valdosta/Albany probably 2nd most intriguing matchup for me. I keep going back and forth on this one. Can Valdosta keep their MOJO?
*Wingate -20.5 seems aggressive. Like the points and maybe the under here.
*West Florida has all the tools to win this region. Superb talent. Negatives are their secondary is a sieve and unreliable kicking game. North Greenville can throw. This is a rematch. West Florida had 7 sacks. Big key to this game is if NG can keep the QB upright. If so, shootout here we come.
*Newberry/Kentucky St. Honestly no feel at all fir this game.

*Northwood/Ferris. Ferris D has been a little shaky lately. But Northwood doesn't have the personnel exploit Ferris.
*Duluth/Ashland. Duluth road favorite and I just dont see Duluth losing here.
*Mankato/Findlay. Mankato another road favorite. I'm not as high on them as Duluth. But they have the playoff pedigree in their corner
*Truman/Indy. Another rematch. Indy just has too much firepower.

*NW Mizz St/Harding. Definitely best matchup 1st round. Harding untested all year. No real opinion either way, just gonna sit back and watch Harding and their flex bone.
*Chadron St/Pitt. This line seemed high to me. Pitt off huge emotional win over NWMSt. I don't think Chad can score enough to win, but I think I like them to cover.
*UTPB/Pueblo. Pueblo living the charmed life. Falling behind and playing catchup and pulling out wins. I think UTPB has the ammo to pull off the upset.
*CentWash/Western Colorado. Kind of down on WC. Think UCW handles business here relatively easy.

 

[s--k]

Here are the Reddit and S&P+ numbers

Reddit

11/22: Assumption @ Indiana PA -12.5 (O/U 54.5)

11/22: Benedict @ Wingate -16.5 (O/U 51.5)

11/22: Bentley @ Kutztown -30 (O/U 52)

11/22: California PA @ Virginia Union -11 (O/U 55.5)

11/22: Chadron St @ Pittsburg St -16 (O/U 52)

11/22: Frostburg St @ Johnson C. Smith -15 (O/U 53)

11/22: Kentucky St @ Newberry -4 (O/U 55)

11/22: Minn St-Mankato -1 @ Findlay (O/U 49.5)

11/22: Minnesota-Duluth @ Ashland -1 (O/U 52)

11/22: North Greenville @ West Florida -18 (O/U 54.5)

11/22: Northwood @ Ferris St -22 (O/U 56.5)

11/22: NW Missouri St @ Harding -4 (O/U 52.5)

11/22: Texas-Permian Basin @ Colorado St-Pueblo -4 (O/U 56)

11/22: Truman St @ Indianapolis -15.5 (O/U 58.5)

11/22: Valdosta St @ Albany St GA -9 (O/U 53.5)

11/22: Western Colorado @ Central Washington -12 (O/U 56.5)

S&P+

Albany State 33.3, Valdosta State 20.7

Central Washington 32.0, Western Colorado 31.1

Colorado State-Pueblo 32.6, Texas-Permian Basin 31.3

Ferris State 39.7, Northwood 20.0

Harding 35.3, NW Missouri State 14.8

Indiana (PA) 28.4, Assumption 21.9

Indianapolis 39.2, Truman State 25.8

Johnson C. Smith 32.3, Frostburg State 23.8

Kutztown 39.4, Bentley 11.8

Minnesota State 24.8, Findlay 23.1

Minnesota-Duluth 26.2, Ashland 24.7

Newberry 28.2, Kentucky State 25.4

Pittsburg State 30.9, Chadron State 20.7

Virginia Union 35.1, California (PA) 26.0

West Florida 42.3, North Greenville 13.0

Wingate 32.4, Benedict 16.3

 

[CPA-hole]

Very differing opinions of Valdosta between Massey and the other two. Massey less high on JC Smith and Virginia Union

 

[s--k]

Very differing opinions of Valdosta between Massey and the other two. Massey less high on JC Smith and Virginia Union

In your view does that align with the belief that historical trend on teams is more invovled with Massey odds? I have no reference on any of these teams to know if they have been good or have been not good which could effect some odd calculations but not be factored in other power ratings

 

[CPA-hole]

You hear handicappers talk about teams they've adjusted either up or down in a season based on what their numbers were to start a season. From what I've seen this season, Massey seems a bit more historical and takes longer to adjust his "number" on teams.

Earlier in the year, we were fading Valdosta, because their numbers were super inflated week in and week out. I felt the same with Colorado Mines.

Now Valdosta rebounded midway through the season. And does their "number" now reflect more history or more merit based? Interesting. Because I see them more as a small favorite than a 13 point dog that SP has or 9 that Reddit has.

 

[CPA-hole]

Virginia Union is a perennial power in their league, while JC Smith is a relative newcomer to being year in, year out a factor in their league.

I'm going to do a lot of research this off-season and see if I cam have a better answer for this question next season.

 

[s--k]

Post-regular season S&P+ Dll rating

team	conference	Rec.	2025 SP+	Rk	Off. SP+	Rk	Def. SP+	Rk	Last Wk	Chg
Harding	Great American	11-0	35.8	1	44.8	3	9.0	1	1	0
Kutztown	PSAC	11-0	32.2	2	43.6	6	11.4	3	2	0
Ferris State	GLIAC	11-0	29.7	3	53.9	1	24.3	62	3	0
West Florida	Gulf South	9-1	27.7	4	44.1	5	16.3	10	4	0
Indianapolis	Great Lakes Valley	10-1	26.6	5	46.9	2	20.4	36	5	0
Western Colorado	RMAC	9-2	22.9	6	41.0	12	18.1	19	7	1
Grand Valley State	GLIAC	7-3	22.5	7	41.9	9	19.4	27	12	5
Emory & Henry	South Atlantic	8-3	22.2	8	38.6	21	16.3	11	18	10
Albany State	SIAC	10-1	21.6	9	33.7	43	12.1	6	14	5
Wingate	South Atlantic	9-2	21.5	10	38.8	18	17.3	17	13	3
Central Washington	Lone Star	10-1	21.3	11	44.2	4	22.9	49	9	-2
Delta State	Gulf South	7-3	20.9	12	40.7	13	19.8	28	8	-4
Minnesota State	Northern Sun	8-3	20.4	13	39.1	17	18.7	24	6	-7
Minnesota-Duluth	Northern Sun	10-1	20.4	14	41.4	10	21.0	38	16	2
Texas-Permian Basin	Lone Star	9-2	18.5	15	43.0	7	24.5	63	23	8
Virginia Union	CIAA	9-2	18.2	16	41.0	11	22.8	47	11	-5
NW Missouri State	Mid-America	9-2	17.8	17	32.1	54	14.3	7	15	-2
Colorado State-Pueblo	RMAC	9-2	17.4	18	38.8	19	21.5	39	10	-8
Johnson C. Smith	CIAA	10-1	17.0	19	36.1	30	19.1	25	29	10
Carson-Newman	South Atlantic	8-3	17.0	20	29.0	72	12.1	5	21	1
Pittsburg State	Mid-America	9-2	16.9	21	31.7	58	14.8	9	22	1
Indiana (PA)	PSAC	7-3	16.6	22	35.1	34	18.5	22	19	-3
Ashland	Great Midwest	9-2	16.4	23	28.0	80	11.6	4	26	3
Findlay	Great Midwest	10-1	16.3	24	27.2	87	10.9	2	20	-4
Truman State	Great Lakes Valley	8-3	15.6	25	39.2	16	23.6	56	30	5
Northeastern State	Indies	9-2	14.3	26	32.6	50	18.3	21	52	26
Ouachita Baptist	Great American	7-4	14.0	27	34.1	40	20.0	30	17	-10
Tiffin	Great Midwest	7-4	14.0	28	30.9	65	16.9	14	28	0
Henderson State	Great American	8-3	13.7	29	33.8	42	20.1	31	33	4
Slippery Rock	PSAC	6-4	13.5	30	36.1	29	22.7	45	24	-6
West Alabama	Gulf South	5-4	12.8	31	37.7	24	24.9	67	25	-6
Charleston (WV)	Mountain East	8-3	12.6	32	38.3	22	25.7	74	32	0
Augustana (SD)	Northern Sun	9-2	12.6	33	36.0	31	23.4	54	27	-6
Assumption	Northeast 10	8-2	12.6	34	29.8	70	17.2	16	37	3
Northwood	Great Midwest	9-2	12.5	35	26.9	90	14.3	8	44	9
Upper Iowa	Great Lakes Valley	8-3	12.4	36	35.0	35	22.6	44	39	3
Michigan Tech	GLIAC	7-4	12.1	37	36.6	28	24.6	64	35	-2
Wayne State (NE)	Northern Sun	7-4	11.8	38	32.2	53	20.4	35	41	3
Colorado Mines	RMAC	8-3	11.8	39	37.1	25	25.3	68	50	11
California (PA)	PSAC	8-3	11.5	40	35.0	36	23.4	53	38	-2
Catawba	South Atlantic	7-4	11.5	41	36.9	26	25.4	71	47	6
Valdosta State	Gulf South	6-4	11.5	42	36.8	27	25.4	70	34	-8
Frostburg State	Mountain East	9-2	11.0	43	33.9	41	22.9	50	49	6
Fayetteville State	CIAA	6-4	10.8	44	33.3	44	22.4	43	40	-4
Minnesota-Moorhead	Northern Sun	8-3	10.2	45	40.2	14	29.9	95	53	8
UNC Pembroke	Carolinas	8-3	10.2	46	29.6	71	19.4	26	31	-15
Newberry	South Atlantic	9-1	9.5	47	31.5	62	21.9	41	45	-2
East Stroudsburg	PSAC	8-3	9.3	48	32.7	48	23.3	51	46	-2
Kentucky State	SIAC	8-2	9.3	49	31.6	60	22.2	42	48	-1
Chadron State	RMAC	8-3	9.2	50	32.9	47	23.7	58	55	5
Angelo State	Lone Star	6-5	9.2	51	38.8	20	29.6	93	36	-15
Southern Arkansas	Great American	8-3	8.7	52	29.0	74	20.2	33	56	4
Davenport	GLIAC	5-5	8.6	53	35.4	33	26.7	79	42	-11
Lenoir-Rhyne	South Atlantic	6-5	8.3	54	31.9	55	23.5	55	43	-11
SW Oklahoma State	Great American	6-5	8.2	55	31.8	57	23.6	57	74	19
Benedict	SIAC	9-2	7.9	56	24.6	103	16.7	12	57	1
Western Oregon	Lone Star	8-3	7.8	57	34.7	37	26.9	83	58	1
Saginaw Valley	GLIAC	6-5	7.3	58	37.9	23	30.7	102	51	-7
Central Oklahoma	Mid-America	6-5	7.2	59	31.0	64	23.8	59	60	1
Shepherd	PSAC	7-4	7.1	60	32.6	51	25.5	72	54	-6
Bentley	Northeast 10	7-3	7.1	61	27.3	86	20.2	32	59	-2
Texas A&M-Kingsville	Lone Star	5-6	6.0	62	39.6	15	33.6	121	62	0
West Texas A&M	Lone Star	7-4	5.9	63	42.9	8	37.0	139	64	1
Sioux Falls	Northern Sun	7-4	5.5	64	32.4	52	26.9	82	63	-1
Franklin Pierce	Northeast 10	6-4	5.1	65	23.7	108	18.6	23	67	2
Virginia State	CIAA	6-4	4.5	66	31.4	63	26.9	81	66	0
Northern State	Northern Sun	7-4	4.3	67	34.4	38	30.0	97	69	2
Nebraska-Kearney	Mid-America	6-5	4.1	68	22.2	113	18.1	20	61	-7
Hillsdale	Great Midwest	6-5	4.1	69	21.5	116	17.4	18	73	4
Edinboro	PSAC	7-4	3.7	70	27.9	81	24.1	61	84	14
Central Missouri	Mid-America	5-6	3.1	71	33.1	45	30.0	96	72	1
Clarion	PSAC	6-5	3.0	72	34.1	39	31.1	107	78	6
Colorado Mesa	RMAC	6-5	3.0	73	30.0	69	27.0	84	65	-8
East Central (OK)	Great American	6-5	2.9	74	28.8	76	25.9	76	71	-3
Arkansas Tech	Great American	7-4	2.6	75	26.0	93	23.4	52	68	-7
Walsh	Great Midwest	6-5	2.5	76	19.4	121	16.9	13	80	4
Anderson	South Atlantic	5-6	2.1	77	24.8	102	22.7	46	75	-2
Winston-Salem State	CIAA	4-6	1.9	78	30.9	66	29.0	90	76	-2
North Greenville	Carolinas	7-4	0.9	79	25.6	95	24.7	65	83	4
Mars Hill	South Atlantic	5-6	0.6	80	26.9	88	26.3	77	70	-10
Glenville State	Mountain East	6-5	0.5	81	31.5	61	31.0	105	87	6
Emporia State	Mid-America	5-6	-0.1	82	25.3	99	25.5	73	77	-5
Ohio Dominican	Great Midwest	5-5	-1.1	83	15.8	141	16.9	15	81	-2
Fort Hays State	Mid-America	6-5	-1.4	84	18.5	126	19.9	29	82	-2
Lock Haven	PSAC	6-5	-1.6	85	25.2	101	26.8	80	94	9
Fairmont State	Mountain East	6-5	-1.7	86	35.7	32	37.4	142	79	-7
Missouri S&T	Great Lakes Valley	6-5	-1.9	87	29.0	73	30.9	104	86	-1
Bloomsburg	PSAC	3-8	-2.0	88	30.1	68	32.1	114	91	3
Edward Waters	SIAC	5-5	-2.5	89	28.6	77	31.1	106	88	-1
Fort Valley State	SIAC	4-6	-2.6	90	17.8	130	20.3	34	89	-1
St. Anselm	Northeast 10	5-5	-2.9	91	21.3	117	24.1	60	92	1
Allen	SIAC	6-4	-3.4	92	25.5	98	28.9	89	93	1
West Chester	PSAC	4-7	-3.7	93	26.9	89	30.6	101	85	-8
West Virginia State	Mountain East	5-6	-4.3	94	30.3	67	34.5	128	90	-4
Tuskegee	SIAC	4-6	-4.3	95	17.3	133	21.6	40	96	1
Savannah State	SIAC	4-6	-4.3	96	16.2	139	20.6	37	95	-1
Winona State	Northern Sun	6-5	-4.8	97	25.6	96	30.4	100	103	6
Livingstone	CIAA	5-5	-5.2	98	23.6	109	28.8	88	100	2
Quincy	Great Lakes Valley	6-5	-5.3	99	27.4	85	32.6	115	98	-1
Wheeling	Mountain East	6-5	-5.3	100	27.5	82	32.8	116	102	2
SE Oklahoma State	Great American	4-7	-5.3	101	17.6	131	22.9	48	99	-2
Bowie State	CIAA	3-7	-5.3	102	24.1	107	29.4	91	101	-1
Mary	Northern Sun	4-7	-5.4	103	28.2	78	33.6	120	104	1
Bemidji State	Northern Sun	4-7	-6.4	104	25.2	100	31.6	113	97	-7
Black Hills State	RMAC	3-8	-6.6	105	28.2	79	34.8	129	111	6
Washburn	Mid-America	4-7	-7.4	106	18.3	128	25.7	75	106	0
Southwest Baptist	Great Lakes Valley	3-7	-7.5	107	27.5	83	35.0	131	107	0
Northern Michigan	GLIAC	3-8	-7.8	108	33.0	46	40.9	150	125	17
Elizabeth City State	CIAA	4-6	-7.9	109	23.5	110	31.4	111	108	-1
Seton Hill	PSAC	4-7	-8.0	110	17.4	132	25.4	69	105	-5
William Jewell	Great Lakes Valley	3-8	-8.0	111	25.6	97	33.5	119	122	11
Clark Atlanta	SIAC	3-7	-8.1	112	27.4	84	35.5	134	109	-3
New Mexico Highlands	RMAC	6-5	-8.4	113	28.9	75	37.4	140	110	-3
Missouri Southern	Mid-America	3-8	-9.7	114	17.0	135	26.7	78	115	1
Central State (OH)	SIAC	3-7	-9.8	115	15.0	148	24.8	66	116	1
Post	Northeast 10	4-6	-10.3	116	24.1	106	34.4	127	118	2
Concord	Mountain East	4-7	-10.3	117	26.1	92	36.4	137	129	12
Minot State	Northern Sun	3-8	-10.7	118	23.2	111	33.9	125	114	-4
Morehouse	SIAC	3-7	-11.2	119	19.0	124	30.2	99	121	2
Shorter	Carolinas	2-8	-11.3	120	18.2	129	29.6	92	120	0
Midwestern State	Lone Star	3-8	-11.5	121	31.7	59	43.2	152	126	5
Southern Connecticut	Northeast 10	4-6	-11.8	122	23.1	112	34.9	130	127	5
McKendree	Great Lakes Valley	5-6	-11.8	123	24.2	105	36.1	135	113	-10
Eastern New Mexico	Lone Star	3-8	-12.3	124	32.6	49	44.9	155	119	-5
Miles	SIAC	3-8	-12.4	125	15.9	140	28.3	87	124	-1
UVA-Wise	South Atlantic	2-9	-12.5	126	21.0	118	33.5	118	117	-9
Missouri Western	Mid-America	3-8	-12.9	127	15.1	146	28.0	86	112	-15
American International	Northeast 10	2-8	-13.2	128	14.8	149	28.0	85	128	0
West Liberty	Mountain East	3-8	-13.8	129	26.8	91	40.6	148	133	4
Shippensburg	PSAC	3-8	-14.7	130	16.6	137	31.3	109	123	-7
Tusculum	South Atlantic	1-9	-15.6	131	17.3	134	32.9	117	132	1
South Dakota Mines	RMAC	3-8	-15.9	132	19.3	122	35.3	133	137	5
Barton	Carolinas	3-7	-16.0	133	15.2	145	31.2	108	136	3
Southern Nazarene	Great American	2-9	-16.2	134	15.1	147	31.3	110	145	11
Shaw	CIAA	2-8	-16.4	135	19.7	120	36.2	136	138	3
Roosevelt	GLIAC	2-8	-16.8	136	24.3	104	41.1	151	134	-2
Chowan	Carolinas	3-7	-17.4	137	16.6	136	34.0	126	139	2
Gannon	PSAC	1-10	-17.6	138	22.0	115	39.6	145	130	-8
Arkansas-Monticello	Great American	3-8	-17.8	139	15.8	142	33.6	122	131	-8
Oklahoma Baptist	Great American	2-9	-18.3	140	15.5	143	33.8	123	135	-5
Lake Erie	Great Midwest	2-9	-18.7	141	11.5	155	30.2	98	142	1
Fort Lewis	RMAC	2-9	-18.9	142	16.3	138	35.2	132	143	1
Thomas More	Great Midwest	1-10	-19.0	143	10.7	159	29.7	94	140	-3
Bluefield State	CIAA	3-7	-19.1	144	25.9	94	45.0	156	147	3
Pace	Northeast 10	0-11	-19.4	145	11.3	158	30.7	103	141	-4
Lincoln (MO)	Great Lakes Valley	2-9	-19.8	146	20.9	119	40.7	149	146	0
Western New Mexico	Lone Star	2-9	-20.5	147	31.8	56	52.4	160	144	-3
Lane	SIAC	0-10	-22.1	148	11.8	154	33.9	124	151	3
Jamestown	Northern Sun	1-9	-22.2	149	18.4	127	40.6	147	153	4
NW Oklahoma State	Great American	2-9	-22.7	150	14.8	150	37.4	141	149	-1
Concordia-St. Paul	Northern Sun	2-9	-23.9	151	13.0	153	36.9	138	150	-1
Ferrum	Carolinas	4-7	-24.3	152	13.7	151	38.0	144	154	2
Wayne State (MI)	GLIAC	0-11	-24.7	153	18.8	125	43.6	153	148	-5
Kentucky Wesleyan	Great Midwest	0-11	-25.2	154	6.2	161	31.4	112	155	1
Millersville	PSAC	0-11	-26.0	155	19.2	123	45.2	157	152	-3
Erskine	Carolinas	1-9	-26.5	156	11.5	156	38.0	143	157	1
SW Minnesota State	Northern Sun	1-10	-27.3	157	13.2	152	40.6	146	156	-1
Lincoln (PA)	CIAA	0-10	-28.3	158	15.3	144	43.6	154	158	0
Sul Ross State	Lone Star	0-11	-31.8	159	22.1	114	53.9	161	159	0
Adams State	RMAC	0-11	-36.1	160	11.3	157	47.4	159	160	0
WV Wesleyan	Mountain East	0-11	-36.6	161	10.6	160	47.2	158	161	0

 

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Pre-season S&P+ ratings

team

conference

2025 SP+

Rk

Off. SP+

Rk

Def. SP+

Rk

Ferris State	GLIAC	35.2	1	43.9	3	8.7	2
Harding	Great American	29.4	2	45.0	2	15.6	20
Grand Valley State	GLIAC	27.7	3	37.9	11	10.2	3
West Florida	Gulf South	25.7	4	38.7	9	13.0	10
Slippery Rock	PSAC	22.9	5	33.3	24	10.4	4
Kutztown	PSAC	20.8	6	28.6	52	7.8	1
Angelo State	Lone Star	20.6	7	32.0	31	11.4	6
Valdosta State	Gulf South	20.4	8	35.3	19	14.9	13
Colorado State-Pueblo	RMAC	20.3	9	43.4	5	23.1	64
Ouachita Baptist	Great American	19.3	10	37.0	13	17.7	27
Minnesota State	Northern Sun	19.2	11	34.7	20	15.5	19
Western Colorado	RMAC	18.8	12	41.7	7	22.8	61
Charleston (WV)	Mountain East	18.6	13	45.7	1	27.1	96
Lenoir-Rhyne	South Atlantic	17.9	14	31.3	34	13.4	11
Pittsburg State	Mid-America	17.3	15	32.3	29	15.0	15
Indianapolis	Great Lakes Valley	16.7	16	36.2	16	19.5	36
Augustana (SD)	Northern Sun	16.5	17	28.3	58	11.8	7
Wingate	South Atlantic	16.2	18	29.0	50	12.8	9
California (PA)	PSAC	16.1	19	30.4	40	14.3	12
Central Oklahoma	Mid-America	16.1	20	42.2	6	26.1	87
Virginia Union	CIAA	16.0	21	36.1	17	20.2	40
Delta State	Gulf South	15.1	22	35.3	18	20.2	41
Colorado Mines	RMAC	15.1	23	37.6	12	22.5	57
Saginaw Valley	GLIAC	15.0	24	31.0	37	16.0	21
Tiffin	Great Midwest	14.6	25	32.4	28	17.8	28
Central Washington	Lone Star	14.6	26	30.1	43	15.5	18
Indiana (PA)	PSAC	14.5	27	26.7	67	12.2	8
Bemidji State	Northern Sun	14.5	28	25.6	75	11.1	5
Henderson State	Great American	14.3	29	36.5	15	22.2	55
Minnesota-Duluth	Northern Sun	14.0	30	32.3	30	18.3	30
Southern Arkansas	Great American	13.7	31	38.3	10	24.6	75
Findlay	Great Midwest	13.2	32	33.5	23	20.4	43
West Alabama	Gulf South	13.0	33	28.4	56	15.4	17
Carson-Newman	South Atlantic	12.4	34	29.6	46	17.2	25
Truman State	Great Lakes Valley	12.3	35	32.7	26	20.5	44
Fort Hays State	Mid-America	11.9	36	30.3	42	18.4	31
Ashland	Great Midwest	11.3	37	30.5	39	19.2	32
East Stroudsburg	PSAC	11.1	38	28.4	57	17.3	26
Central Missouri	Mid-America	11.1	39	43.4	4	32.3	128
Sioux Falls	Northern Sun	10.7	40	31.1	36	20.3	42
Davenport	GLIAC	10.5	41	27.1	65	16.6	22
Bentley	Northeast 10	10.0	42	30.8	38	20.8	48
Albany State	SIAC	9.5	43	32.0	32	22.4	56
Texas-Permian Basin	Lone Star	9.4	44	30.1	44	20.7	46
Virginia State	CIAA	9.1	45	28.5	53	19.4	35
NW Missouri State	Mid-America	8.8	46	31.5	33	22.7	58
Shepherd	PSAC	8.2	47	23.6	97	15.4	16
Emporia State	Mid-America	7.9	48	33.7	22	25.8	84
Colorado Mesa	RMAC	7.8	49	25.8	74	17.9	29
Johnson C. Smith	CIAA	7.4	50	22.4	108	15.0	14
Texas A&M-Kingsville	Lone Star	7.4	51	24.1	90	16.8	23
Fairmont State	Mountain East	7.4	52	40.5	8	33.2	130
Miles	SIAC	7.3	53	27.9	60	20.7	47
Mars Hill	South Atlantic	7.2	54	27.3	63	20.1	38
UNC Pembroke	Carolinas	6.7	55	36.9	14	30.3	118
West Chester	PSAC	6.0	56	27.6	61	21.6	51
Michigan Tech	GLIAC	5.9	57	25.2	81	19.3	33
Wayne State (NE)	Northern Sun	5.9	58	25.5	76	19.6	37
Assumption	Northeast 10	5.6	59	24.9	83	19.4	34
Emory & Henry	South Atlantic	5.3	60	25.5	77	20.2	39
Frostburg State	Mountain East	5.2	61	33.3	25	28.1	101
Bowie State	CIAA	4.9	62	27.9	59	23.0	63
Fayetteville State	CIAA	4.4	63	28.5	55	24.0	74
Hillsdale	Great Midwest	4.0	64	25.3	79	21.3	49
North Greenville	Carolinas	3.7	65	29.4	48	25.7	83
Missouri Western	Mid-America	2.6	66	31.2	35	28.6	106
Fort Valley State	SIAC	2.5	67	29.5	47	27.0	95
Nebraska-Kearney	Mid-America	2.0	68	22.5	105	20.5	45
Winston-Salem State	CIAA	1.9	69	24.0	93	22.1	54
Glenville State	Mountain East	1.9	70	27.3	64	25.5	80
SE Oklahoma State	Great American	1.4	71	24.3	88	22.8	60
West Texas A&M	Lone Star	1.2	72	24.4	87	23.2	66
St. Anselm	Northeast 10	1.2	73	24.9	84	23.7	69
Winona State	Northern Sun	1.2	74	26.3	73	25.2	78
Ohio Dominican	Great Midwest	0.9	75	18.0	139	17.0	24
Minnesota-Moorhead	Northern Sun	0.6	76	26.5	70	25.9	86
Newberry	South Atlantic	0.4	77	23.7	95	23.3	67
Tuskegee	SIAC	0.3	78	24.1	89	23.8	71
Western Oregon	Lone Star	0.2	79	23.9	94	23.7	70
South Dakota Mines	RMAC	0.0	80	29.9	45	29.8	116
Northern State	Northern Sun	-0.3	81	21.4	116	21.7	53
Benedict	SIAC	-0.7	82	25.1	82	25.8	85
Washburn	Mid-America	-0.8	83	28.8	51	29.6	112
Midwestern State	Lone Star	-1.1	84	24.0	92	25.1	77
East Central (OK)	Great American	-1.1	85	22.0	113	23.1	65
West Virginia State	Mountain East	-1.3	86	34.3	21	35.7	146
Savannah State	SIAC	-1.5	87	22.5	106	23.9	72
Shaw	CIAA	-1.7	88	24.6	86	26.4	90
Quincy	Great Lakes Valley	-1.8	89	26.4	71	28.2	103
Bloomsburg	PSAC	-2.1	90	19.5	130	21.6	50
McKendree	Great Lakes Valley	-2.9	91	26.6	69	29.5	111
Black Hills State	RMAC	-2.9	92	25.3	80	28.2	102
Missouri S&T	Great Lakes Valley	-3.0	93	26.7	66	29.7	114
Arkansas Tech	Great American	-3.1	94	23.7	96	26.7	93
Upper Iowa	Great Lakes Valley	-3.4	95	23.4	99	26.8	94
Northwood	Great Midwest	-3.5	96	20.4	119	24.0	73
Franklin Pierce	Northeast 10	-3.9	97	27.4	62	31.3	122
Clark Atlanta	SIAC	-3.9	98	30.4	41	34.3	142
Gannon	PSAC	-4.0	99	18.7	135	22.7	59
Wheeling	Mountain East	-4.1	100	32.5	27	36.7	148
Wayne State (MI)	GLIAC	-4.4	101	24.7	85	29.0	110
Barton	Carolinas	-4.5	102	22.0	112	26.5	91
Chadron State	RMAC	-5.0	103	20.3	121	25.2	79
Catawba	South Atlantic	-5.2	104	28.5	54	33.7	135
Tusculum	South Atlantic	-5.7	105	23.2	102	28.8	108
Thomas More	Great Midwest	-6.2	106	19.9	126	26.2	88
Seton Hill	PSAC	-6.6	107	15.0	150	21.6	52
Southern Connecticut	Northeast 10	-6.9	108	26.7	68	33.5	134
Shorter	Carolinas	-7.4	109	22.4	107	29.8	115
Livingstone	CIAA	-7.6	110	15.4	147	23.0	62
Lock Haven	PSAC	-7.8	111	19.9	127	27.6	98
Shippensburg	PSAC	-7.9	112	15.8	146	23.6	68
Edward Waters	SIAC	-7.9	113	25.4	78	33.3	132
Pace	Northeast 10	-8.3	114	22.4	109	30.7	119
Chowan	Carolinas	-8.4	115	19.0	133	27.4	97
Kentucky State	SIAC	-8.6	116	20.2	123	28.8	107
Eastern New Mexico	Lone Star	-8.7	117	26.3	72	35.1	143
Edinboro	PSAC	-8.9	118	16.6	142	25.5	81
Missouri Southern	Mid-America	-9.1	119	24.1	91	33.2	131
Walsh	Great Midwest	-9.4	120	21.6	114	31.1	121
Minot State	Northern Sun	-9.5	121	16.8	141	26.3	89
Arkansas-Monticello	Great American	-9.9	122	22.1	111	32.0	124
Oklahoma Baptist	Great American	-10.0	123	23.0	103	33.0	129
Anderson	South Atlantic	-10.0	124	18.5	136	28.5	105
Southern Nazarene	Great American	-10.0	125	21.6	115	31.6	123
William Jewell	Great Lakes Valley	-10.1	126	20.9	118	30.9	120
Lane	SIAC	-10.4	127	23.4	98	33.8	136
Allen	SIAC	-11.0	128	23.2	101	34.2	141
American International	Northeast 10	-11.2	129	22.3	110	33.4	133
UVA-Wise	South Atlantic	-11.6	130	18.1	138	29.7	113
Southwest Baptist	Great Lakes Valley	-11.6	131	14.0	153	25.6	82
SW Oklahoma State	Great American	-12.4	132	19.7	128	32.2	126
Roosevelt	GLIAC	-12.9	133	11.8	157	24.7	76
Clarion	PSAC	-13.0	134	15.1	148	28.0	99
Concordia-St. Paul	Northern Sun	-13.3	135	15.0	149	28.3	104
New Mexico Highlands	RMAC	-13.8	136	29.0	49	42.8	160
Northern Michigan	GLIAC	-14.2	137	19.7	129	33.9	137
West Liberty	Mountain East	-14.3	138	23.3	100	37.6	153
Morehouse	SIAC	-15.4	139	16.8	140	32.2	127
Mary	Northern Sun	-15.7	140	13.3	154	29.0	109
Kentucky Wesleyan	Great Midwest	-15.7	141	18.4	137	34.1	140
Millersville	PSAC	-15.9	142	16.2	144	32.1	125
Elizabeth City State	CIAA	-16.4	143	10.1	160	26.6	92
Western New Mexico	Lone Star	-16.7	144	20.4	120	37.2	149
Concord	Mountain East	-16.9	145	21.1	117	37.9	154
Central State (OH)	SIAC	-17.5	146	10.6	158	28.1	100
Bluefield State	CIAA	-17.6	147	16.4	143	34.1	139
Lake Erie	Great Midwest	-18.4	148	19.1	132	37.4	152
Northeastern State	Indies	-19.1	149	20.2	122	39.3	155
NW Oklahoma State	Great American	-19.3	150	16.1	145	35.4	145
SW Minnesota State	Northern Sun	-19.6	151	10.3	159	30.0	117
Post	Northeast 10	-20.1	152	22.6	104	42.7	159
Lincoln (PA)	CIAA	-20.6	153	14.7	152	35.2	144
Erskine	Carolinas	-21.2	154	12.8	155	34.0	138
Fort Lewis	RMAC	-21.2	155	19.2	131	40.4	156
Sul Ross State	Lone Star	-21.4	156	20.1	124	41.5	157
Adams State	RMAC	-22.0	157	20.0	125	42.0	158
Lincoln (MO)	Great Lakes Valley	-22.5	158	14.8	151	37.3	150
Ferrum	Carolinas	-24.7	159	12.6	156	37.4	151
Jamestown	Northern Sun	-27.5	161	8.7	161	36.2	147
WV Wesleyan	Mountain East	-27.4	160	18.9	134	46.4	161

 

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I downloaded the weekly S&P+ and Reddit spreadsheets. If those might be of use to you this offseason let me know, I might be able to share them with you easier than if you were to try and track them down if you had the desire to do so.

 

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I do not have the preseason Massey Dll rankings for comparison

 

[CPA-hole]

My Final Four.

Kutztown
West Florida
Ferris
Pitt St

 

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I'm not following without skin in the game, but feel like should keep the thread current

 

[KJ]

Well that finish by Benedict to come back from down 0-24 was certainly ridiculous

 

[CPA-hole]

Just as well MB didn't post lines last week. Would've been bad for me. JC Smith, Duluth, and Central Wash all losing would've buried me. UTPB winning wouldn't have salvaged the day.

Anyway. We won't be able to bet these, but I'll still post lines from Massey for the rest of the playoffs and give my thoughts on the games.

Looks like Ferris St and Harding will be on a collision course. Kutztown has no threat until the semis. Only real drama not set is the winner of SR 2. But I still think it's West Florida to lose.

A final four of Kutztown, West Florida, Harding, Ferris St wouldn't be bad.

 

[CPA-hole]

Lines for Saturday:

Assumption 49.5
Kutztown -27.5

Frostburg 51.5
Cal PA. -3.5

Benedict. 47.5
Albany St. -17.5

Newberry. 60.5
West Florida. -17.5

Ashland. 58 5
Ferris St. -27.5

Mankato. 61.5
Indy. -4.5

Pitt St. 53.5
Harding. -16.5

UTPB. 52.5
Western Colorado -3.5

 

[CPA-hole]

Should have some weather at Indy and Ferris today. 3 rematches today.

Kutztown rematch with Assumption. Assumption might be playing with a 3rd string qb. Kutztown won 52-0 last week. I can't see much of a difference today. Kutztown -27.5 for me.

Frostburg/Cal. Another rematch. Funky 1st game. I think I like the under best, with Frostburg covering

Albany/Benedict part 3. Benedict off an improbable win. Seems like a big letdown today. Albany won both meetings. 31-3 and 22-6.

Mankato/Indy probably best game on paper today. Can Mankato and their playoff history shut down Indy?

UTPB goes to Gunnison off a big win at Pueblo. Gonna be cold. But UTPB would be my best bet of the day.

 

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[CPA-hole]

UTPB came through despite being down 15-0 in the 4th and having 3 fgs blocked and an Xtra point blocked in OT.

Ferris rolled after trailing 14-0 in a snowstorm.

Mankato and their playoff experience was too much for Indy.

Kutztown was basically a scrimmage. Frostburg is their next victim.

Newberry was impressive. They probably get it done at Albany next week

Harding just overwhelmed Pitt. Score wasn't as close as the final score.

 

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FAQ: Harlon Hill Trophy, An essential guide to the DII football award

The Harlon Hill finalists​

Two players from each of the four super regions made up the 2025 Harlon Hill Trophy finalists. Curtis Allen, a senior running back from Virginia Union, and Kutztown quarterback Judd Novak advanced from Super Region One. Two that shared the field on Saturday in the second round of the playoffs, Newberry College's quarterback Reed Charpia and West Florida quarterback Marcus Stokes, moved on from Super Region Two.

From Super Region Three, two quarterbacks, MSU Moorhead's Jack Strand and UIndy's Gavin Sukup, claimed the two finalist spots. Harding's running back Andrew Miller and Western Colorado's quarterback Drew Nash garnered the two finalist slots from Super Region Four.

Harlon Hill 2025 breakdown​

• The odds are likely that yet another quarterback will win the award. There is just two running backs and no wide receivers or defenders among the finalists. The previous 10 winners have all been quarterbacks.
• Only MSU Moorhead's Jack Strand did not make the 2025 DII football championship. However, Strand led the Dragons to an 8-3 mark, their best record since 2018.
• Novak, Charpia and Miller are all still playing in the DII football championship quarterfinals on Dec. 6.
• We will have history in 2025 as none of the finalists hail from a school that has previously won a Harlon Hill Trophy.
• VUU's Allen is second in all of college football with 2,386 yards rushing, winning the DII football rushing title by more than 600 yards. His 30 rushing touchdowns are the most at any level.
• Sukup, Strand, Charpia and Stokes all threw for more than 3,200 yards, landing each in the top 10 of DII for the season.
• Strand led the division with 42 touchdown passes while Sukup was right behind at 41. They are two of three quarterbacks at any level (trailing Division III's Jaxon Schreiber's 47) to throw for 40 touchdowns this season.
• Sukup and Strand became the first Harlon Hill finalists from their respective schools.

Great American Conference

MATCHUP
Frostburg State	@ 1 Kutztown	12:00 PM	Andre Reed Stadium, Kutztown, PA
Minnesota State	@ 1 Ferris State	1:00 PM	Top Taggart Field, Big Rapids, MI
Newberry	@ 1 Albany State	1:00 PM	Albany State University Coliseum, Albany, GA
UT Permian Basin	@ 1 Harding University	2:00 PM	First Security Stadium, Searcy, AR

Interesting that Dll and Dlll play a couple 'bowl' games.

West Texas A&M	@ Arkansas Tech	1:00 PM		Community National Bank and Trust Stadium, Corsicana, TX
Upper Iowa	@ Hillsdale	2:00 PM		Brickyard Stadium, Hobart, IN

 

[CPA-hole]

Hadn't got around to this yet. Obviously will be no lines to bet. Looks like 3 blowouts with Kutztown, Ferris, and Harding all should win comfortably.

The other game, Albany and Newberry, I think Newberry wins outright as a 6.5 pt dog at Albany.

Actually there is another bowl game. NE Oklahoma and East Central play in a bowl as well.

As far as the Harlon Hil, Curtis Allen is a slam dunk winner. A QB will not win this, as that article eluded to doing so.

 

[CPA-hole]

They'll lose today, but remember the name, Kris McCullough, HC at UTPB. Don't be surprised if you seeing him as a HC at a D1 program in the not so distant future.

 

[Rjdbruin]

Hadn't got around to this yet. Obviously will be no lines to bet. Looks like 3 blowouts with Kutztown, Ferris, and Harding all should win comfortably.

The other game, Albany and Newberry, I think Newberry wins outright as a 6.5 pt dog at Albany.

Actually there is another bowl game. NE Oklahoma and East Central play in a bowl as well.

As far as the Harlon Hil, Curtis Allen is a slam dunk winner. A QB will not win this, as that article eluded to doing so.

Bet365 at times puts DII football lines up and definitely put DII and sometimes DIII basketball lines up

 

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[CPA-hole]

Would've been nice to get to bet Newberry as a dog yesterday. Oh well.

Semis are set

Newberry at Ferris St
Harding at Kutztown St.

Harding kind of got done dirty having to go to Kutztown, but I don't think it matters anyway. Setting up for a monster showdown of Harding/Ferris.

UTPB had a shot to beat Harding, but their kicking game failed them again.

 

[CPA-hole]

Semis today:

12:00 pm Newberry at Ferris St. Ferris is -34.5 on Massey with a total of 66.5. Gonna be 10° a kickoff with windchill below zero. Newberry can't run the ball. I can't see them throwing either in the cold today being from South Carolina, they've never experienced anything close to the conditions they'll face today.

3:30 pm Harding at Kutztown St. Harding is -6.5 with a total of 57.5. Harding feels slighted having to go on the road for this one. Its so hard to prepare for Harding's flexbone offense on 1 week prep time. This line seems short. Kutztown hasn't been tested all year. This is Harding's 15th game in 15 weeks.

Both games are on ESPN+. If you have it, do yourself a favor a flip over for a minute just to watch Harding on offense. It's fun to watch

 

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1 Harding University	v 1 Ferris State	4:00 PM			McKinney ISD Stadium, McKinney, TX
Division II Championship

 

[CPA-hole]

Massey has Ferris -2.5 with a total of 71.5

We get the game we've been clamoring for all season. Consensus #1 all season, Ferris St, vs Consensus #2 all season, Harding.

Thankfully with them realigning the regions, we are able to have these 2 play for a title. Last year they were in the same region and met in the quarters with Ferris winning 41-7.

Seems like a cheap price on Ferris. They seem to have the blueprint on stopping the flexbone. Harding was done no favors going to Kutztown last week now to McKinney TX this week. Should be a closer game than last year, but I'll go Ferris 35-24.

 

[jk16]

Go Dawgs!

 

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I have no idea if S&P or Reddit have been accurate with their PR predictions

team	conference	Rec.	2025 SP+	Rk	Off. SP+	Rk	Def. SP+	Rk	Last Wk	Chg	date	D2 finals
Harding	Great American	15-0	33.4	1	45.4	4	12.0	2	1	0		Harding 36.0, Ferris State 34.6
Ferris State	GLIAC	15-0	32.0	2	58.0	1	26.0	71	3	1

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Reddit

12/20: Ferris St -8.5 vs. Harding (O/U 59.5)

 

[CPA-hole]

I have no idea if S&P or Reddit have been accurate with their PR predictions

team	conference	Rec.	2025 SP+	Rk	Off. SP+	Rk	Def. SP+	Rk	Last Wk	Chg	date	D2 finals
Harding	Great American	15-0	33.4	1	45.4	4	12.0	2	1	0		Harding 36.0, Ferris State 34.6
Ferris State	GLIAC	15-0	32.0	2	58.0	1	26.0	71	3	1

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Reddit

12/20: Ferris St -8.5 vs. Harding (O/U 59.5)

For me, I'd have somewhere between Massey -2.5 and the -8.5 with reddit