DFS/Props Week 16 Discussion

ScopeY

Pretty much a regular
Week 1: 8-3
Week 2: 14-14
Week 3: 10-9
Week 4: 6-8
Week 5: 2-0
Week 6: 13-11
Week 7: 6-11
Week 8: 14-9
Week 9: 9-7
Week 10: 7-8
Week 11: 4-2
Week 12: 7-10
Week 13: 8-11
Week 14: 12-13
Week 15: 7-8

Total: 127-124, 50.6%

unposted but if you read my notes, I did hit on gainwell prop. Lets head into the holidays by ending on a very high note this week
 
Thursday Night/Showdown Slate

LAR@SEA


Rams have a bad P/RB matchup.
Seahawks have a bad P/RB matchup.
Stafford has a good pressure rate situation.
Darnold has a great pressure rate situation. Walker~~ has a bad rush potential.
Pace of play is T-10th (meh).

- I know Kyren has TD equity, but how can we pay top dollar for a guy with practically no PPR floor (0-2 catches in L9, over 13 rec yards just once in those L9), capped opportunities (17 or fewer over L6), and saw his 2 lowest snap counts for the year over his L2 (although 1 was a blowout, but still it has been trending that way). I can't. I am going to assume Adams is out --- we haven't had that scenario this year, but we did have Puka miss one game, and Whittington/Smith/Mumpfield played 60%/47%/40%, but it was a blowout, and Mumpfield has been the guy to maintain that kind of role since (although he is just running empty-less routes, which is kind of crazy when you take a deeper look), So while I lean Mumpfield, I can't deny that Whittington/Smith were the 2 guys that actually got some type of volume with no Puka. I think I go Whittington > Mumpfield > Smith. In that game TEs had 11 total targets (39%), and the majority were Higbee who is no longer with the team. Which points us squarely at parkinson, Since higbee has been out, he has a 16% target share, with a poor 3.9 aDOT, but he has 10 RZ targets across 4 games, more than the RZ king Adams, and with him not suiting up, Staffrd will be forced to just Him/Puka (plus a dot of ancillary guys I guess), Imo if Rams get close to RZ/score, he is one of the best bets to do so. If you want a cheap option that isn't a WR, then I guess Allen/Ferguson are fine options, they do see their fair share of the field, and there are targets opened up on this offense. And I haven't even gotten to Puka, looking at his 3 year career, he actually has not played in a game without Kupp or Adams except for his 4 game breakout to start his career back in 2023 ---- in those games he had a 32.5% target share/9.1 aDOT --- he will get his.

These RBs are just a mess, I am actually benching walker in my semis of one of my year longs (a bit of a humble brag, still in final 3 of a guillotine league, made playoffs in 6 of 8 fantasy leagues, in semis of 5 of them --- 1 of the 2 leagues I didn't make playoffs I split with an old co-worker of mine who drafted alone this year, just saying --- anyways). He and Charb get between 10 to 14 opps, with a very low PPR floor, neither guy has hit even 10 FPs in L2 weeks. Even with the arrival of Shaheed, JSN has a 31% target share/10.5 aDOT across those 6 weeks, he (and puka) are really the other capt. candidates to consider unless you think the QBs spread the ball out/multi TD scorers. Barner reminds me a lot of Parkinson on the other side, but he doesn't have the benefit of a WR like Adams missing, and he gets less RZ targets (although he does get them), I will be underweight, but if mass entering I'd include, maybe as a pivot of parkinson too. That really just leaves us with Kupp/Shaheed, they are kind of identical, Kupp has a bit higher target share, Shaheed has a bit higher aDOT --- I'll post the weather below, but there is possible winds, so I usually like the lower aDOT guy in these scenarios, plus he is more utilized in the RZ.
 
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Saturday/2 Game Slate

PHI@WAS


Eagles have a great P/RB matchup.
Commanders have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Hurts has a great pass potential.
Mariota has a meh pressure rate situation, and a meh pass potential.
Eagles TTR is 1st (good).
Commanders TTR is 4th (meh/last)
Pace of play is T-14th (meh). O/U Rank is 2nd.

- Just one to start and say that in this 2 game slate, we need to find minimum amounts of salary savers, so this may be really about constructing an odd game script, otherwise you are riding with the masses, and will find a hard time climbing the ladder.

Hurts probably has the best range among the QBs on this slate, but my only fear for him and the pass catchers, is that the volume evaporates when they play in a positive rush script --- he only had 15 pass attempts last week, he still managed 23 FPs, thanks to a 25% TD per completion ratio, but that isn't sustainable obviously. Having said that, you have to take your shots in tourneys, because if the script flips, we know not only is their an uptick in volume, but the offense is so concentrated. Since the bye, both Brown/Smith have aDOTs >12.4, Brown has a bigger target share though (30% to 24%), but he also doubles him in RZ targets, he has the higher ceiling, but I think both are viable. Goedert in that same time frame has a 20% target share, which is probably the best amongst TEs on this slate, but he is range-y, and I think I want to play him only in lineups where I get weird (like double TE/PHI onslaught), otherwise, I want to fade the ownership, and get different at this position, as there are definitely outcomes where he is not optimal. I don't see a reason to get cute with Dotson/Cooper, I am sure there are better salary saving plays, with much higher floor/ceiling combos. And to Barkley, he is coming off B2B 22+ opp games (floor of 2 targets), and what really stands out is last week he barely even played into the 3rd quarter, and still have 25 opps (3 targets), he was on pace for a season high 30+ opps IMO, if you believe what vegas is telling us, I'd probably just stick to him and/or hurts here,

In the 2 recent games we have had Mariota + McLaurin (Wk 13 and 15), he has a 29.5% target share/16.11 aDOT, and we already know the most likely script we are going to see.... he is probably my WR1 overall on this slate, and keep in mind Ertz owns a 21% target share, despite playing in just 1 of those games --- Deebo benefitted the most from that (he hit a 31% target share last week). While there is only really 2 TEs left on this team, both really weren't used laast week, and their target/aDOTs were both under 2 yards.... I maybe go here if mass entering in a lineup or 2, but really I am sticking to McLaurin, then Deebo. In general we want to avoid this backfield, but if you are playing Hurts + pass catchers, we may want to take a shot on Rodriguez or JCM, both have shown flashes of being good in terms of YPC, it just usually the script moves away from them, and the fact that both of them are now healthy, nobody will be playing them. My gut says JCM maybe will get the first shot, he was the lead at one point, and he looked good last week in Rodriguez's absence, but I understand if you want to go the other direction.

GBP@CHI

Packers have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Bears have a good P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Love has a great pass potential. Jacobs has a good rush potential.
Caleb has a good pressure rate situation. Swift~ has a good rush potential.
Packers TTR is 2nd (good).
Bears TTR is 3rd.
Pace of play is T-7th. O/U Rank is 1st (good).

- I hope Jacobs suits up, I know he has TD equity, but since getting injured, his PPR floor has been bottomed out, and 2 of the L3 games he didn't even get to 60% of snaps, he is not worth his price, and if it wasn't for a 2 TD game last week, he would have barely even 2x'd this salary. Again, if he is in, I don't think we get cute with Wilson, but if he is out, it is almost impossible to ignore him, he had 30 opps last time out in that situation, and he is almost min priced --- he would allow you to get whoever you want on this slate too. This is probably the make or break for most lineups --- how do we attack the GBP WRs? Obviously Love is one way, and maybe pairing him with any 2 pass catchers. If they all are active, and nobody gets hurt in game, it is hard to trust Golden/Wicks, as Watson/Doubs see 80%+ of snaps, and Reeds #3 on that last, but with an increasing snap count as he gets healthier (we will see if that continues). Of those 3, Reed>Watson>Doubs is the target share breakdown, but don't forget Watson got hurt mid game, and fell just 1 target short, imo he is the #1... but I think Reed needs to be included. I think most peole go to Doubs because of name, but he is just running empty-less routes recently (5 targets across 2 games despite other WR injuries), I'd only have a touch of him if mass entering.

This will be the 3rd game in a row with no Odunze --- in the L2, Moore/Zacchaeus have both played at least 80% of snaps, and their metrics are 14.5%/11%, and 16.4/10.2 aDOTs, The target share seems meh, but not only is Odunze out, we also have no Burden, who had a big time 23.5% target share in those 2 games --- I doubt Duvernay/new WR4/5 see much playing time still. These 2 guys should be out there almost every play, and we may even see a lot more 2+ TE sets. I think both of these WRs are viable. Taking or Burden, it is actually Loveland that leads the team in the 2 games with targets (18%), and he has a good TE aDOT of 9.3 ---- I will have my fair share of him, but I think in tourneys, Kmet may be smarter, he actually plays a bit more, he has an even bigger aDOT (12.7), and they both have RZ work (2 targets a piece), He can very easily finish higher than him, and he will be at a lower ownership --- we want that leverage. Similar to Wilson, if smith is out, we want Monangai, if he is in, I dont mind going there, I just may be a touch underweight
 
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Sunday 1PMs/Main Slate

TBB@CAR


Bucs have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Panthers have a good P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Baker has a good pressure rate situation. Bucky~ has a good rush potential.
Young has a meh pressure rate situation, and a meh pass potential.
Bucs TTR is T-8th (good).
Panthers TTR is T-15th.
Pace of play is T-14th (meh). O/U Rank is T-5th.

- I'm worried about Bucky, as Tucker has been getting the goal line work, and White is still seeing snaps (even if they are empty) --- still, his price is down, and even at about 54%~ of snaps, he had 19 opps (3 targets) last week, I still don't love his price, but I love the concern everyone has on him (lower ownership), and the fact that we are looking for explosive plays in tourneys, and we know he has it (in all 3 games since returning he has both at least 1 carry/1 catch that were each 10+ yards). Evans had limited snaps last week (55%), and he still ended up as an alpha dog, overall WR1 metrics, as he had a 37.5% target share/15.1 aDOT --- that is insane, in a full game of work he would have crushed it even harder, he is a bit to cheap for this at 6K range. Egbuka's aDOT was also just as good at 15.9, and had a decent target share of 22%, the thing with Egbuka, is that he will go un-owned, and is as cheap as he was in week 2, when he was just becoming a name in the NFL. I'll mention Godwin just because he was on the field for like every snap last week, but his aDOT of 3 doesn't get me up at night, and it's not like he is super cheap (wanted 4K~ range). If mass entering, and doing a bigger game stack here, I'd include him, otherwise pass.



BUF@CLV

Bills have a bad P/RB matchup.
Browns have a great RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Sanders has a bad pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential.
Bills TTR is 2nd (great).
Browns TTR is 21st (bad)
Pace of play is T-12th (meh). O/U Rank is 8th (meh).

- Notes

KCC@TEN

Chiefs have a great P matchup, good RB matchup.
Titans have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Minshew has a great pass potential (skewed).
Ward has a meh pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential. Pollard~ has a bad rush potential.
Chiefs TTR is T-17th.
Titans TTR is 20th (meh).
Pace of play is T-3rd. O/U Rank is T-10th (bad/last).

- Notes

NYJ@NOS

Jets have a good RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Saints have a great P/RB matchup.
Cook? has a bad pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential. Hall? has a bad rush potential.
Shough has a good pass potential. Kamara? has a meh rush potential.
Jets TTR is 19th (meh).
Saints TTR is T-12th.
Pace of play is 1st (great). O/U Rank is 9th (meh).

- Notes

MIN@NYG

Vikings have a great RB matchup, good P matchup.
Giants have a good RB matchup, bad P matchup.
McCarthy has a meh pass potential. Jones~ has a great rush potential.
Dart has a bad pressure rate situation.
Vikings TTR is 11th.
Giants TTR is T-17th.
Pace of play is 5th. O/U Rank is 7th.

- Notes

LAC@DAL

Chargers have a great P/RB matchup.
Cowboys have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Herbert has a bad pressure rate situation, but a good pass potential. Hampton~ has a great rush potential.
Dak has a meh pressure rate situation.
Chargers TTR is 10th (good).
Cowboys TTR is T-3rd (good).
Pace of play is T-7th. O/U Rank is 3rd (good).

- Notes

CIN@MIA

Bengals have a great P matchup, good RB matchup.
Dolphins have a great P/RB matchup.
Burrow has a good pass potential.
Achane has a great rush potential.
Bengals TTR is T-3rd (good).
Dolphins TTR is 7th (good).
Pace of play is T-10th (meh). O/U Rank is 2nd (great).

- Notes

Sunday 4PMs/Main Slate (Cont.)

JAC@DEN


Jags have a meh P/RB matchup.
Broncos have a bad P/RB matchup.
Nix has a great pressure rate situation, but a meh pass potential. Harvey has a meh rush potential.
Etienne~ has a meh rush potential.
Jags TTR is T-15th.
Broncos TTR is T-8th (good).
Pace of play is T-3rd. O/U Rank is T-5th.

- Notes

ATL@ARI

Falcons have a good P/RB matchup.
Cards have a great P matchup, meh RB matchup.
Cousins has a good pressure rate situation. Bijan has a great rush potential.
Brissett has a meh pressure rate situation. Carter?~ has a meh rush potential.
Falcons TTR is 6th (good).
Cards TTR is T-12th.
Pace of play is 2nd. O/U Rank is 4th (good).

- Notes

LVR@HOU

Raiders have a meh RB matchup, bad P matchup.
Texans have a great P matchup, meh RB matchup.
Pickett? has a bad pressure rate situation, and a bad pass potential. Jeanty has a bad rush potential.
Stroud has a great pressure pass potential.
Raiders TTR is 22nd (bad/last --- by a lot)
Texans TTR is T-3rd (good).
Pace of play is T-12th (meh). O/U Rank is T-10th (bad/last).

- Notes

PIT@DET

Steelers have a good P matchup, meh RB matchup.
Lions have a great RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Rodgers has a great pressure rate situation, but a meh pass potential. Warren?~ has a meh rush potential.
Goff has a great pressure rate situation. Gibbs~ has a good rush potential.
Steelers TTR is T-12th.
Lions TTR is 1st (great).
Pace of play is 9th (meh). O/U Rank is 1st (great).

- Notes
 
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Sunday Night/Showdown Slate

NEP@BAL


Pats have a good P matchup, meh RB matchup.
Ravens have a good RB matchup, meh P matchup.
Maye has a great pass potential. Henderson?? has a bad rush potential.
Lamar has a bad pass potential. Henry has a good rush potential.
Pace of play is 16th (bad/last).

- Notes
 
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Monday Night/Showdown Slate

SFO@IND


49ers have a meh P matchup, bad RB matchup.
Colts have a great P matchup. meh RB matchup.
Purdy has a good pressure rate situation, and a good pass potential. CMC has a meh rush potential.
Rivers has a great pressure rate situation (skewed), and a good pass potential. Taylor has a great rush potential.
Pace of play is 6th.

- Wks 7-10 this year --- when kittle returned and pearsall was out -- 71% of Purdys targets (16 of the 21 RZ targets) went to/through Kittle/Jennings/CMC. Imo, you want atleast 2 of these guys.... Jennings had a 25.7% target share, with a 10.7 aDOT, 5 RZ targets, Kittle 18.4%/5.9, 5 RZ targets, and CMC had 27.5%/6 RZ targets --- it all comes down to who you can fit in price wise. The tough part is finding the salary saver --- Bourne/Robinson would be an outlet, but they aren't extreme punts in the 4K range, You can try and get cute with Br. Robinson, but you are going to need a TD to hit value, at least Juszcyzk is half the price, and could see a target or 2, and tonges has been irrelevant since Kittles return.

Rivers had just 27 pass attempts, but it was a neutral script, maybe we like him more if SFO plays with a lead --- my problem is 5 players had at least a 15% target share, non higher than 23% (so 5 players were between 4 and 6 targets)....... I just don't think Rivers is chucking the ball deep anymore, which really eliminates Pierce imo. and on top of that, Downs was way better metric-ly, had Rivers only RZ target and is much cheaper --- imo if you captain him, and he hits even 1 TD, it could be optimal with the ability to add in the expensive pieces we need. Pittman is fairly priced, but I have a feeling I just won't be able to fit him in. Warren led in targets, I like him over Pittman --- imo pass catchers to target are Downs >>> Warren > Pittman >>>> Pierce. The only other guy not named Taylor that needs a shoutout is Abdullah, again this was a neutral script, he only played 23%~ of snaps, but he had 9 opps (5 targets), and he is priced between Br. Robinson and Juszyzck --- he may be the only true salary saver on the list. Taylor is to be mentioned --- he had 29 opps (4 targets) in his start with Rivers, those carries was his T-2nd highest for the season and the target count was his 2nd most since week 6, we like to see that despite a difficult 5-6~ game stretch (minus the ATL drubbing).
 
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So, I had a couple of guys I know that asked me for action last Thursday.

I tend to stay away from TNF (except my Lions Dallas game). Anyways, I popped into this thread 45 mins from kick-off and told them your 3 plays.

They hate unders (Joe Public's of the world) so they played Pitts n Sills.

Anyways, they thank you big time as that for their week started nicely (they played those in a few different ways).

Let's have a great week! Four different days of NFL action this week!
 
So, I had a couple of guys I know that asked me for action last Thursday.

I tend to stay away from TNF (except my Lions Dallas game). Anyways, I popped into this thread 45 mins from kick-off and told them your 3 plays.

They hate unders (Joe Public's of the world) so they played Pitts n Sills.

Anyways, they thank you big time as that for their week started nicely (they played those in a few different ways).

Let's have a great week! Four different days of NFL action this week!
Glad I was able to help, and thank you for sharing
 
TNF notes above,

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we will see how this shakes out too, if it looks this way, maybe a 1H under, or wait and get a good number on a 2nd half over?

P. Nacua Receptions O7.5 -118
C. Parkinson TD +240
(a bit smaller, but still good value imo).
J. Smith-Njigba Rec Yds O89.5 -114

May add Kupp receptions but waiting on weather.
 
TNF notes above,

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we will see how this shakes out too, if it looks this way, maybe a 1H under, or wait and get a good number on a 2nd half over?

P. Nacua Receptions O7.5 -118
C. Parkinson TD +240
(a bit smaller, but still good value imo).
J. Smith-Njigba Rec Yds O89.5 -114

May add Kupp receptions but waiting on weather.
Nice card and GL
 
Saturday 2 game slate updated.

2-1 on Thursday. I'll lose the smaller play everyday. Hopefully around to post plays tomorrow.
 
thanks BAR

T. McLaurin Rec Yds O53.5 -112 (I sprinkled some on the alt lines 80+ +255/100+ +520)
S. Barkley Rush Attempts O18.5 -130
D. Swift Rush Yds O54.5 -112



Debating on a GBP player under, just waiting on injury news. I personally like 1st game over, 2nd game under.

Gl all
 
Kinda like the plus money over 1.5 tds on young and shough, like Shough ov 216.5 yards also.

Love Hampton over 50.5 rush, he has hit this both games back and even tho Vidal still getting bout equal carries id think that starts shifting a bit, doesn’t really have to for him clear this tho. I guess the concern is throwing on dallas might be the path of least resistance, that said I can’t imagine chargers not running it 25-30x between the 2 backs.
 
Kinda like the plus money over 1.5 tds on young and shough, like Shough ov 216.5 yards also.

Love Hampton over 50.5 rush, he has hit this both games back and even tho Vidal still getting bout equal carries id think that starts shifting a bit, doesn’t really have to for him clear this tho. I guess the concern is throwing on dallas might be the path of least resistance, that said I can’t imagine chargers not running it 25-30x between the 2 backs.
Agreed, and definite scenarios LAC controls the pace, which we haven't seen a positive rush script post hamptons return, I could see 18+ carries, wouldn't even need 3 YPC to hit.
 
Agreed, and definite scenarios LAC controls the pace, which we haven't seen a positive rush script post hamptons return, I could see 18+ carries, wouldn't even need 3 YPC to hit.

Yea I actually just saw his carries at 12.5 and played a little of that also.
 
1 PMs

Q. Judkins Rush&Rec Yds O80.5 -115
O. Hampton Rush Attempts O12.5 -113
T. McMillan Receptions O4.5 -114
(just stay healthy please)
T. Johnson Rec Yds O34.5 -112 (Jetta rec yds number to low too, but he's burned me to many times)
D. Achane Receptions O3.5 -154
C. Brown Receptions O3.5 -116
C. Olave Rec Yds O64.5 -113
A. Mitchell Rec Yds O42.5 -110


4 PMs

C. Sutton Rec Yds O64.5 -112
B. Robinson Rush&Rec Yds O134.5 -112
(looking for M. Carter reception prop, don't see yet)
A. St. Brown Rec Yds O85.5 -114
K. Gainwell Receptions O4.5 -104
T. Tucker Rec Yds O29.5 -112
(Might add Collins, just worried of a blowout)
 
Here all I ended up playing

Shough over 214.5 pass yards.
Shough ov 1.5 tds +122
Young ov 1.5 td +112
Hampton ov 50.5 rush
Hampton ov 12.5 carries
Tracy ov 53.5 rush
Mcconkey ov 50.5 rec
McMillan ov 56.5 rec
Knox ov 16.5 rec

Think that all for morning, played nix over 247.5 passing for later games, prob add a few more in little bit. Gl everyone
 
Other than the qb td’s everything else crushing it. That young td before half gives a shot at split on those which be just fine. Tracy and McMillan over at half. Lad, Hampton and shough on doorstep of cashing, Shough have to break his leg on 1st play of 2nd not to cash, pretty much same with Hampton.

Adding for the late:

Franklin over 28.5 rec
 
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Other than the qb td’s everything else crushing it. That young td before half gives a shot at split on those which be just fine. Tracy and McMillan over at half. Lad, Hampton and shough on doorstep of cashing, Shough have to break his leg on 1st play of 2nd not to cash, pretty much same with Hampton.

Adding for the late:

Franklin over 21.5 rec.
I have to look up who Franklin even is lol

Nicely done so far
 
Ah Denver RB, no wonder. Used to be a fan but can't stand this luckbox version of that team.
 
Pitts ov 51.5 rec.

Dunno if it the fact he looking for a payday payment cousins but dude has finally been what I been waiting for since he left Florida. Lots of te’s have abused cards this year.
 
Ah Denver RB, no wonder. Used to be a fan but can't stand this luckbox version of that team.

Wr not rb bud. I don’t love Donks offense either but think Nix has been playing better and better plus think you can throw all over jags.
 
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Wr not rb bud. I don’t love Donks offense either but think Nix has been playing better and better plus think you can throw all over jags.
Ha that's how little I watch them, low number for a receiver but figure a low scoring game since teams might see each other again in a few weeks
 
Ha that's how little I watch them, low number for a receiver but figure a low scoring game since teams might see each other again in a few weeks

I dunno bout low scoring, that a pretty high number for donks. I think both teams can have success in air, dunno if it leads to lot of points or not? Franklin super hit or miss, he usually smashes when he does cash so maybe alt numbers be better?
 
13-6 so far this weekend

Quick notes updated ---

J. Jennings Rec Yds O54.5 -112
J. Downs Receptions O3.5 +106



Damn they made Pierce number SO low, was planning on hoping on his under, but passing for now, and I was hoping to see a low reception number on abdullah but currently don't see anything posted. Debated Kittle but his numbers are higher than Jennings, and I actually can see a better performance from him so why not go with the low numbers/higher expectations.
 
13-6 so far this weekend

Quick notes updated ---

J. Jennings Rec Yds O54.5 -112
J. Downs Receptions O3.5 +106



Damn they made Pierce number SO low, was planning on hoping on his under, but passing for now, and I was hoping to see a low reception number on abdullah but currently don't see anything posted. Debated Kittle but his numbers are higher than Jennings, and I actually can see a better performance from him so why not go with the low numbers/higher expectations.
GL bud, thanks for Hampton yesterday! Just the push I needed.
 
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