De La Hoya Vs. Pacquiao
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c.r.e.a.m.
Pretty much a regular
unofficial score cards has manny leading after the fourth
c.r.e.a.m.
Pretty much a regular
i think odlh goes down in the 9th or 10th. either that or he simply doesn't get out of his corner before the 11th.
MrMulligan
Pretty much a regular
Time for Oscar to RETIRE...
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signalcaller
Guest
Man would I kill to see a Hatton/Pac fight. They were talking about that on the ESPN.com coverage. Would be the most damn entertaining fight I have seen no doubt
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signalcaller
Guest
Wow. He throws it in. Could go down as worst big fight performer in boxing history. Lost so many big fights.
Throwback420
Diehard L.A. fan
i knew pacman would dominate wish I had the balls 2 bet him.
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signalcaller
Guest
So glad I stayed off ODLH. Thought for sure the size would be the factor, however speed and heart proved to be a bigger one.
MrMulligan
Pretty much a regular
c.r.e.a.m.
Pretty much a regular
winner!!!
let's bring in hatton!!!
let's bring in hatton!!!
MrMulligan
Pretty much a regular
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signalcaller
Guest
Already cant wait for this Hatton/Pac fight. Talk about punches thrown. And congrats Bjorks on the fight. You have been harping Pac for a while now
Throwback420
Diehard L.A. fan
If ODH would have been a Dog I would have pounded the fuck out of him.
expected him at +200 when the line came out I was shocked.
Thank god I didnt bet on this shitfest.
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
Agreed. Pac/Hatton is going to be a battle. ODLH was absolutely destroyed in every way tonight. I haven't seen that big of a mismatch in a major prize fight in years. Maybe back to the Tyson days when he was routinely whooping that ass.
bjorks
Secretary of Fondy Fanclub
thanks signal. I wish you guys could experience the atmosphere right now. One of the biggest boxing bets I've ever won in my life.
I'm so jacked and rdunk right now it's insane
it's unreal.
Peoplew will say it's a bad vifght but if you got it on ppv i'd say it was awseome to see ODLH get pounded laike that. what a night, what a night!]
Off to TAO for Manny's after party party!!! VIP babye
I'm so jacked and rdunk right now it's insane
it's unreal.
Peoplew will say it's a bad vifght but if you got it on ppv i'd say it was awseome to see ODLH get pounded laike that. what a night, what a night!]
Off to TAO for Manny's after party party!!! VIP babye
Throwback420
Diehard L.A. fan
man I still havent been to a fight in vegas been really wanting to go. almost went to the Cotto/Margarito fight.
Winning a huge bet in boxing is the best especially when it dont go to the judges. :shake:
Throwback420
Diehard L.A. fan
Oscar is a bitch thats why alot of Mexicans hate him.
Juan Manuel Marquez put it down against pacman but got robbed by the refs twice those motherfuckers.
Juan Manuel Marquez put it down against pacman but got robbed by the refs twice those motherfuckers.
cinderfella
waiting for the clock to strike midnight
Congrats Bjorks I couldnt have been more wrong... OLDH is done he found another way to lose big fight didnt even bother to try & have the size advantage came in at 147 he had no stamina or strength.
Greencastle
The Doc
Manny vs Hatton is gonna be an amazing fight. Both have a brawler type mentality and should put on a hell of a show.
Looking forward to Mosley-Margarito in January.
:cheers:
Looking forward to Mosley-Margarito in January.
:cheers:
Greencastle
The Doc
I dont understand how people in here were calling Pacman a clown and were predicting a De la Hoya knock out.
Must be the type of guys who instead of watching the actual fight, they're more interesting in looking at the celebs sitting in the front row.
Must be the type of guys who instead of watching the actual fight, they're more interesting in looking at the celebs sitting in the front row.
MrMulligan
Pretty much a regular
CLASSIC...........:cheers:
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
That was a horrible fight. Oscar clearly realized in the first minute that he was well past his prime. He really gave his all vs. Floyd in a close, split decision loss. He should have been the bully, but he is extremely slow compared to what he once was and looked extremely tired, glazed over at that weight. Forbes would have beaten DLH in that fight.
With that being said, please Floyd come out of retirement and show this Pacquio a thing or two. He's shown now he can fight at this weight, we all want it, I'd be surprised if he hits you once a round.
With that being said, please Floyd come out of retirement and show this Pacquio a thing or two. He's shown now he can fight at this weight, we all want it, I'd be surprised if he hits you once a round.
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Greencastle
The Doc
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Did I not just say though that Stevie Forbes in a rematch could have called an end to DLH? I was shocked by the poor shape DLH was in and how poorly trained he was. I thought he fought amazing vs. Floyd and IMO should have won. If you can get a split vs. Floyd, you can beat Paq at this weight.
However, he couldn't have beat me Sat. night. Clearly, hit his wall with the Floyd fight.
However, he couldn't have beat me Sat. night. Clearly, hit his wall with the Floyd fight.
bjorks
Secretary of Fondy Fanclub
You're showing your lack of knowledge about the sport, Inspekdah.
1) ODLH should've lost to Forbes the FIRST time they fought. Many people were amazed the judges had Oscar winning that fight.
2) You recognize Mayweather's talent, but you seem to refuse to acknowledge Pacquiao's unique style of fighting. He's now beaten all the top Mexican fighters of his generation in 5 weight classes. I believe he is 49-3-1 now in his career. How can you say he's overrated? That's ignorance.
3) I'm not sure which fight you were watching, but the fact people even say ODLH was in it versus Mayweather is a joke. He never had a legitimate shot at winning that fight, nor was he ever in it.
4) The one thing I agree with you is this, if Pacquaio fights Hatton and wins, a Mayweather Pacquaio fight would be bigger than anything the sport has seen since...ODLH/Mayweather probably.
1) ODLH should've lost to Forbes the FIRST time they fought. Many people were amazed the judges had Oscar winning that fight.
2) You recognize Mayweather's talent, but you seem to refuse to acknowledge Pacquiao's unique style of fighting. He's now beaten all the top Mexican fighters of his generation in 5 weight classes. I believe he is 49-3-1 now in his career. How can you say he's overrated? That's ignorance.
3) I'm not sure which fight you were watching, but the fact people even say ODLH was in it versus Mayweather is a joke. He never had a legitimate shot at winning that fight, nor was he ever in it.
4) The one thing I agree with you is this, if Pacquaio fights Hatton and wins, a Mayweather Pacquaio fight would be bigger than anything the sport has seen since...ODLH/Mayweather probably.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
Let me find out which round that was and send you the youtube of it.
I've reneged my statement about Paq being overrated, didn't mean that. Perhaps implying that this victory should do nothing to help his legacy because... well DLH would have lost to you Sat.
I've reneged my statement about Paq being overrated, didn't mean that. Perhaps implying that this victory should do nothing to help his legacy because... well DLH would have lost to you Sat.
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Throwback420
Diehard L.A. fan
Juan Manuel Marquez owns Pac Man
Throwback420
Diehard L.A. fan
It always seems customary for the standard "fix" conspiracy theories to cultivate soon after big fights and for the most part there is absolutely no merit to any of these fantastic tales.
After watching Pac-man's lopsided victory against a seemingly washed up Goldenboy, even the most casual fans could feel something was not quite right. As someone whos worked in the Vegas Sportsbook industry for nearly 20 years, its not unusual to hear things before big sporting events, someones on the take, someones laying down, a ref here or there may be favoring a certain team. All these things we take with a grain of salt, though many times some invariably end up being true.
When this fight was first announced it was met with a whirlwind of responses, most of them negative. Was this a joke? Why would a larger Delahoya want to fight the much smaller Pacquiao? Was he looking for an easy way to cement his legacy before retiring, all the while cashing out in a big way? Was this Oscars last attempt at winning over Mexican fans who never forgave him for pelting their hero 10 years ago or for simply living a posh lifestyle? After all, Oscars size advantage, superior boxing technique, powerful left hook and big fight experience all seemingly swung in his favor. Even the most devout Pac fans, couldnt help but feel worried about how the fight would go. Filipinos, some of the most avid and enthusiastic gamblers were throwing action on Oscar in droves. Despite national bias, most had no problem seeing green and seeing value in taking Oscar. Consesus was Delahoya was going to win, Vegas agreed and set the odds appropriately.
Then the whispers began....
Every moment fight day moved closer, the whispers grew louder. There was something funny going on it seemed. Rumors ran rampant within certain circles here in Vegas. A backroom deal had been made. Someone was going to lay down. In late October, the rumors became more concrete as people linked pieces of the puzzle together. Pacquiao had been crowned the new forebearer for the sport. He certainly wasnt golden and he definitely lacked the hollywood good looks of his counterpart, but Oscar isnt stupid, in fact he is an incredibly brilliant businessman and promoter.. So why were certain people whispering that Oscar may be taking a fall against Pacquiao? He definitely didnt need the money. Was Oscar battling the downturned economy?
Was boxing battling the economy? Something much larger was at play...
Who would benefit from this? Bookies? Vegas? Offshore gambling? Sure there was money to be made, but this wasnt about money. This was about fighting to live, about a sport on the brink of death. Boxing greatest hero was now 35, Pretty Boy was retired and name association was stark with many of the countless names and belts that the sport was now home to. Americas youth was now hypnotized by the newest flavor of the month. Mixed Martial Arts and the UFC brand is on the rise and on the brink of relegating the sweet science to a minimal niche. Oscar was well aware. In fact Oscar had already been in negotiations with UFC rival Affliction for months about the possibility of co-promoting hybrid boxing/mma events. So why was Oscar taking a dive? it was simple and obvious. A Pacquiao loss, would essentially be the deathblow. The #1 pound for pound fighter needed a victory that would define him as just that. A Pacquiao victory was the only option for the sport of boxing. A Pacquiao victory sets up a Pretty Boy comeback. A Paquiao victory keeps one of the sports newest and biggest rivalries between Mexicans and Filipinos alive and well, in turn helping uplift and even allowing boxing to thrive once again. A Pacquiao victory opens our eyes to the possibilities and matchups that beating a household name and bigger Delahoya can bring. A Pacquiao victory would be the best possible thing that could ever happen to the sport of boxing and a business man like Delahoya.
Then fight night came. A Delahoya, only a year and 6 months removed from matching Pretty Boy Floyd suddenly looked old and washed up. He suddenly looked reluctant to engage. He suddenly looked fearful and expired. Pacquiao was fast, but when did Oscar become so slow? Looking at the faces of those around me in the arena last night, it was obvious something was wrong. Most deduced that his age and weght loss had taken a toll. Some postulated that Pacquiao was simply that great, but for some of us there, we knew exactly what was happening. The very thing we had been hearing for months was now manifesting itself into a onesided pouncing before millions. The torch was being passed. This was the first time wed seen someone quit on the stool. Ten years earlier Oscar had been passed that torch by an older Chavez in an eerily similar fashion and in doing so, reinvigorating the sport in a way that most never saw coming.
I happend again, although orchestrated, lets just hope Oscar was right and that his beloved sport of boxing will respond, but even hes smart enough to hedge his bets, which is why hes already making plans to plant his seed in MMA promotion already.
- Anonymous
After watching Pac-man's lopsided victory against a seemingly washed up Goldenboy, even the most casual fans could feel something was not quite right. As someone whos worked in the Vegas Sportsbook industry for nearly 20 years, its not unusual to hear things before big sporting events, someones on the take, someones laying down, a ref here or there may be favoring a certain team. All these things we take with a grain of salt, though many times some invariably end up being true.
When this fight was first announced it was met with a whirlwind of responses, most of them negative. Was this a joke? Why would a larger Delahoya want to fight the much smaller Pacquiao? Was he looking for an easy way to cement his legacy before retiring, all the while cashing out in a big way? Was this Oscars last attempt at winning over Mexican fans who never forgave him for pelting their hero 10 years ago or for simply living a posh lifestyle? After all, Oscars size advantage, superior boxing technique, powerful left hook and big fight experience all seemingly swung in his favor. Even the most devout Pac fans, couldnt help but feel worried about how the fight would go. Filipinos, some of the most avid and enthusiastic gamblers were throwing action on Oscar in droves. Despite national bias, most had no problem seeing green and seeing value in taking Oscar. Consesus was Delahoya was going to win, Vegas agreed and set the odds appropriately.
Then the whispers began....
Every moment fight day moved closer, the whispers grew louder. There was something funny going on it seemed. Rumors ran rampant within certain circles here in Vegas. A backroom deal had been made. Someone was going to lay down. In late October, the rumors became more concrete as people linked pieces of the puzzle together. Pacquiao had been crowned the new forebearer for the sport. He certainly wasnt golden and he definitely lacked the hollywood good looks of his counterpart, but Oscar isnt stupid, in fact he is an incredibly brilliant businessman and promoter.. So why were certain people whispering that Oscar may be taking a fall against Pacquiao? He definitely didnt need the money. Was Oscar battling the downturned economy?
Was boxing battling the economy? Something much larger was at play...
Who would benefit from this? Bookies? Vegas? Offshore gambling? Sure there was money to be made, but this wasnt about money. This was about fighting to live, about a sport on the brink of death. Boxing greatest hero was now 35, Pretty Boy was retired and name association was stark with many of the countless names and belts that the sport was now home to. Americas youth was now hypnotized by the newest flavor of the month. Mixed Martial Arts and the UFC brand is on the rise and on the brink of relegating the sweet science to a minimal niche. Oscar was well aware. In fact Oscar had already been in negotiations with UFC rival Affliction for months about the possibility of co-promoting hybrid boxing/mma events. So why was Oscar taking a dive? it was simple and obvious. A Pacquiao loss, would essentially be the deathblow. The #1 pound for pound fighter needed a victory that would define him as just that. A Pacquiao victory was the only option for the sport of boxing. A Pacquiao victory sets up a Pretty Boy comeback. A Paquiao victory keeps one of the sports newest and biggest rivalries between Mexicans and Filipinos alive and well, in turn helping uplift and even allowing boxing to thrive once again. A Pacquiao victory opens our eyes to the possibilities and matchups that beating a household name and bigger Delahoya can bring. A Pacquiao victory would be the best possible thing that could ever happen to the sport of boxing and a business man like Delahoya.
Then fight night came. A Delahoya, only a year and 6 months removed from matching Pretty Boy Floyd suddenly looked old and washed up. He suddenly looked reluctant to engage. He suddenly looked fearful and expired. Pacquiao was fast, but when did Oscar become so slow? Looking at the faces of those around me in the arena last night, it was obvious something was wrong. Most deduced that his age and weght loss had taken a toll. Some postulated that Pacquiao was simply that great, but for some of us there, we knew exactly what was happening. The very thing we had been hearing for months was now manifesting itself into a onesided pouncing before millions. The torch was being passed. This was the first time wed seen someone quit on the stool. Ten years earlier Oscar had been passed that torch by an older Chavez in an eerily similar fashion and in doing so, reinvigorating the sport in a way that most never saw coming.
I happend again, although orchestrated, lets just hope Oscar was right and that his beloved sport of boxing will respond, but even hes smart enough to hedge his bets, which is why hes already making plans to plant his seed in MMA promotion already.
- Anonymous
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signalcaller
Guest
bullshit. Hes old plain and simple.
bjorks
Secretary of Fondy Fanclub
Best pound-for-pound ever was Sugar Ray Robinson.
89-0 as an amateur with 69 KO's, 40 in first round.
As a pro he was 128-1-2 with 84 KO's. Fighting during a time when blacks had to win "convincingly". His career record was officially 175-19-6 with 108 KO's.
Associated press named him greatest fighter of 20th century and ESPN named him greatest ever in 2007.
The guy was used and abused, but he was a machine winning belts in I think 5 divisions.
89-0 as an amateur with 69 KO's, 40 in first round.
As a pro he was 128-1-2 with 84 KO's. Fighting during a time when blacks had to win "convincingly". His career record was officially 175-19-6 with 108 KO's.
Associated press named him greatest fighter of 20th century and ESPN named him greatest ever in 2007.
The guy was used and abused, but he was a machine winning belts in I think 5 divisions.
RambleOn
The Law of Winning
The word is actually "renegged" if you would like to be un-offensive. :shake: Not saying you were but you know how people take things around here.
Inspekdah
My man, Michael Jordan!
I am so not a racist that I when I use that word I don't even think about the word it resembles.
It's actually "Reneged" and it won't happen again.
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