BH, I know you're busy, but if you don't mind on each game can you give a rough opinion as to how far up you are willing to play a line? I know you mentioned a few here, but my local lines are a bit fucked lol.
Thanks for your insights, been fun rolling with you.
Gosh Mike, I go to all of this trouble to get the Best line I can and now u put me on the spot asking for those kind of #s.
I said this earlier in this thread
""
If a capper wants to win in college football consistently he should have at least 80% of his home work done by opening lines. And most of the time that means staying up into the wee hours of SatNite reviewing the games of the day making notes And he must be in front of the computer or on the phone when the lines come out to catch the bad /or good #s. The #s are very important when playing for more than a few coins and as many games that I play.''''
If ur book does not take action until 2 days before the game, like a lot of locals do, please, please get u an ofshore book!! But keep ur local as he is the foundation of this thing that we do. And good to bounce late line moves off of as they may be late to catchup.
If U are putting any kind of serious coin on ur plays it probably better to ask about specific plays and I will be glad to give u a #. I say that because I dont want to be the single cause of U losing by throwing out some #s the the oldhound THINKS a team should win by!!
As said many times before, I try to make plays to key #s and in football. Now I know this is Not popular with the avg player cause they simply cant stand to pay for run/points/goals or what have u. But that 'them, and if they are winners so be it. Hell, I want even play a hook if I love the damn play....but like I said above, I'm old and set in my ways the method that I use has worked well for a long time.
Below are some examples of 'key#s' over 32 yrs of play.
[h=3]
Key Numbers in College Football (1980-2012)[/h]
Scoring Margin | Occurrences | % of Games |
1790 | 8.11% | |
1419 | 6.43% | |
914 | 4.14% | |
910 | 4.13% | |
876 | 3.97% | |
836 | 3.79% | |
799 | 3.62% | |
790 | 3.58% | |
668 | 3.03% | |
648 | 2.94% | |
640 | 2.90% | |
601 | 2.72% | |
587 | 2.66% | |
572 | 2.59% | |
535 | 2.43% | |
515 | 2.33% | |
478 | 2.17% | |
471 | 2.14% | |
467 | 2.12% | |
414 | 1.88% | |
406 | 1.84% | |
405 | 1.84% | |
405 | 1.84% | |
93 | 1.78% | |
67 | 1.66% | |
33 | 1.51% | |
31 | 1.50% | |
22 | 1.46% | |
05 | 1.38% | |
296 | 1.34% | |
294 | 1.33% | |
286 | 1.30% | |
286 | 1.30% | |
284 | 1.29% | |
242 | 1.10% | |
240 | 1.09% | |
222 | 1.01% | |
173 | 0.78% | |
171 | 0.78% | |
156 | 0.71% | |
151 | 0.68% | |
143 | 0.65% | |
138 | 0.63% | |
127 | 0.58% | |
115 | 0.52% | |
114 | 0.52% | |
94 | 0.43% | |
88 | 0.40% | |
86 | 0.39% | |
64 | 0.29% | |
50 | 0.23% | |
42 | 0.19% | |
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now, using those #s here are the % u get by buying
[h=6]Off of Key Numbers[/h]
| | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
3 | 879 | 50 | 5.69% | 3895 | 5000 | +1105 | -2790 | -4737.5 |
7 | 832 | 34 | 4.09% | 3820 | 3400 | -420 | -4240 | -6150 |
10 | 503 | 18 | 3.58% | 2335 | 1800 | -535 | -2870 | -4037.5 |
4 | 550 | 19 | 3.45% | 2560 | 1900 | -660 | -3220 | -4500 |
14 | 482 | 6 | 1.24% | 2350 | 600 | -1750 | -4100 | -5275 |
17 | 356 | 17 | 4.78% | 1610 | 1700 | +90 | -1520 | -2325 |
21 | 274 | 6 | 2.19% | 1310 | 600 | -710 | -2020 | -2675 |
1 | 613 | 20 | 3.26% | 2865 | 2000 | -865 | -3730 | -5162.5 |
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Cost to Buy a Half Point:
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10 Cents
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20 Cents
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25 Cents
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Line
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#
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Pushes to Win
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% Hits
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Added Losses
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Profit/Loss
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Profit/Loss
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Since buying a half point at three is profitable, let’s keep that as our example. In our 13,000+ college football game sample there were 879 games that had a line of exactly three. 50 of those games ended up landing on three exactly. This means if you would have bought a half point (to -2.5 on the favorite or +3.5 on the underdog), you would have won your bet instead of pushing it. Using 100 units per wager, we compared buying points to 10, 20, and 25 cent juice costs to see if it is actually worth paying for that half point. As you can see, there are only a two situations where it makes sense – buying off of 3 points and buying off of 17 points. Even then it is only profitable if you can find the half point at a 10 cent price (e.g. -3 (-110) and you can buy down to -2.5 at -120).
[h=6]Onto Key Numbers[/h]
| | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
+3 | 7.50% | 640 | 48 | 2720 | 4800 | +2080 | -640 | -2000 |
-3 | 5.92% | 743 | 44 | 3275 | 4400 | +1125 | -2150 | -3787.5 |
+7 | 5.56% | 666 | 37 | 2960 | 3700 | +740 | -2220 | -3700 |
-7 | 5.66% | 495 | 28 | 2195 | 2800 | +605 | -1590 | -2687.5 |
+10 | 4.56% | 307 | 14 | 1395 | 1400 | +5 | -1390 | -2087.5 |
-10 | 4.89% | 327 | 16 | 1475 | 1600 | +125 | -1350 | -2087.5 |
-4 | 3.41% | 411 | 14 | 1915 | 1400 | -515 | -2430 | -3387.5 |
+4 | 4.31% | 743 | 32 | 3395 | 3200 | -195 | -3590 | -5287.5 |
-14 | 4.19% | 358 | 15 | 1640 | 1500 | -140 | -1780 | -2600 |
-14 | 5.92% | 304 | 18 | 1340 | 1800 | +460 | -880 | -1550 |
+17 | 4.52% | 221 | 10 | 1005 | 1000 | -5 | -1010 | -1512.5 |
-17 | 5.03% | 199 | 10 | 895 | 1000 | +105 | -790 | -1237.5 |
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Cost To Buy a Half Point:
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10 Cents
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+6.5
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The numbers tell us that buying up or down from several numbers would be profitable (at the right price). For example, when buying down from -3.5 to -3, there have been 743 games where the line was 3 points and 44 that ended on exactly 3 points.
This means if you bought a half point, you would have had 44 pushes instead of 44 losses. We based the results on 100 units per bet and the results showed that as long as buying the half point only cost you 10 cents (e.g. original line was -3.5 (-110) and you were able to get -3 (-120), or better, you would end up turning a profit).
While we're at it, here are some Total key #s
[h=3]Key Numbers for College Football Totals[/h]
Points Scored | Occurrences | % of Games |
653 | 2.99% | |
650 | 2.97% | |
627 | 2.87% | |
613 | 2.80% | |
610 | 2.79% | |
603 | 2.76% | |
596 | 2.73% | |
579 | 2.65% | |
548 | 2.51% | |
532 | 2.43% | |
509 | 2.33% | |
508 | 2.32% | |
489 | 2.24% | |
470 | 2.15% | |
427 | 1.95% | |
423 | 1.94% | |
409 | 1.87% | |
403 | 1.84% | |
383 | 1.75% | |
382 | 1.75% | |
377 | 1.72% | |
375 | 1.72% | |
372 | 1.70% | |
361 | 1.65% | |
360 | 1.65% | |
355 | 1.62% | |
353 | 1.62% | |
347 | 1.59% | |
331 | 1.51% | |
326 | 1.49% | |
322 | 1.47% | |
320 | 1.46% | |
310 | 1.42% | |
304 | 1.39% | |
270 | 1.24% | |
258 | 1.18% | |
253 | 1.16% | |
244 | 1.12% | |
240 | 1.10% | |
235 | 1.08% | |
221 | 1.01% | |
220 | 1.01% | |
213 | 0.97% | |
212 | 0.97% | |
199 | 0.91% | |
197 | 0.90% | |
191 | 0.87% | |
187 | 0.86% | |
186 | 0.85% | |
177 | 0.81% | |
173 | 0.79% | |
164 | 0.75% | |
160 | 0.73% | |
155 | 0.71% | |
153 | 0.70% | |
143 | 0.65% | |
139 | 0.64% | |
126 | 0.58% | |
117 | 0.54% | |
104 | 0.48% | |
104 | 0.48% | |
103 | 0.47% | |
91 | 0.42% | |
91 | 0.42% | |
87 | 0.40% | |
81 | 0.37% | |
79 | 0.36% | |
74 | 0.34% | |
73 | 0.33% | |
67 | 0.31% | |
63 | 0.29% | |
63 | 0.29% | |
62 | 0.28% | |
55 | 0.25% | |
55 | 0.25% | |
55 | 0.25% | |
45 | 0.21% | |
43 | 0.20% | |
35 | 0.16% | |
35 | 0.16% | |
34 | 0.16% | |
30 | 0.14% | |
29 | 0.13% | |
28 | 0.13% | |
27 | 0.12% | |
25 | 0.11% | |
23 | 0.11% | |
20 | 0.09% | |
20 | 0.09% | |
20 | 0.09% | |
16 | 0.07% | |
15 | 0.07% | |
14 | 0.06% | |
13 | 0.06% | |
9 | 0.04% | |
3 | 0.01% | |
1 | 0.00% | |
1 | 0.00% | |
1 | 0.00% | |
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45
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31
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40
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54
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30
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43
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50
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66
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35
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56
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63
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69
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53
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36
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46
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24
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23
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73
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64
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68
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39
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29
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76
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72
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60
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70
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26
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77
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28
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71
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32
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67
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75
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20
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79
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80
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>100
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17
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83
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21
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74
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19
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16
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82
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22
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25
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87
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78
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84
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85
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13
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91
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81
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86
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89
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90
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10
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93
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12
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88
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14
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97
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94
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9
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15
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18
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92
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95
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98
[/TD]
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99
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96
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7
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6
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100
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[TD="bgcolor: #e5e5e5"]
3
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #e5e5e5"]
5
[/TD]
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8
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11
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0
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