CFP Who Gets In Discussion

majent said:
age old question.

do we focus on the losses only or do we also focus on the wins.

sure, they beat us with Mateer's hand in a soft cast but they still beat the brakes off my Sooners.

and they beat A&M

good wins.

they BEAT Vandy too !!

texass at 10-2 gets a major look here

Wins over OU, Vandy, A&M

i mean come on
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Its a fair discussion but they would have a better argument if they lost to say Vandy and not Florida who was quite bad.
 
the weekly shows which started early Nov and the transparency of sharing them allowed the masses to speak about ND being ahead of MIAMI despite the H2H and the committee heard it (they will never admit it swayed them) and decided to shift the two schools.

in this way, the weekly shows are good.
 
Wonder why Miami didn't just go ahead and WIN, that shit conference they're in?

So let's reward them for failure? Weird.

Really don't have much of a problem with ND getting left out either- join the ACC, you're probably in....
 
CPA-hole said:
More so than other two games that will be blowouts
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The TV folks must have data that the Saturday night primetime slot right before Christmas does not get the most viewers.

People Christmas shopping and holiday parties ?

One thing for sure is that on that saturday morning at 9 am pacific time I'll be watching along w you bro !!
 
Looking at TNT getting the afternoon and night games, ESPN wanted Miami/A&M I'm sure for their only playoff slot which is early on Saturday. W/o looking I'm guessing ESPN has other smaller bowl commitments the rest of the day.
 
bookieassassin said:
Wonder why Miami didn't just go ahead and WIN, that shit conference they're in?

So let's reward them for failure? Weird.

Really don't have much of a problem with ND getting left out either- join the ACC, you're probably in....
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Blame the ACC for their ridiculous tiebreaker that puts a 5 loss Duke team in the championship game.
 
majent said:
The TV folks must have data that the Saturday night primetime slot right before Christmas does not get the most viewers.

People Christmas shopping and holiday parties ?

One thing for sure is that on that saturday morning at 9 am pacific time I'll be watching along w you bro !!
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Friday Night is worse than Saturday Night for TV viewership IMO. Yet they roll the "best" game out for it again this year. Last year it was Tenn/ND.

I'm just saying your 2nd 'best" game should be primetime Saturday night.
 
I heard on the radio just now that ESPN/ABC gets first pick of the 2 games they will air
 
CPA-hole said:
Friday Night is worse than Saturday Night for TV viewership IMO. Yet they roll the "best" game out for it again this year. Last year it was Tenn/ND.

I'm just saying your 2nd 'best" game should be primetime Saturday night.
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Again, TNT has the afternoon and night games on Saturday. That's what decided it. ESPN has the first game of the day only and I'm sure they got to pick which one between Ole Miss or A&M which is obvious. Naturally Oregon couldn't play in the first game.

That's really what it came down to I'm sure.
 
KJ said:
Again, TNT has the afternoon and night games on Saturday. That's what decided it. ESPN has the first game of the day only and I'm sure they got to pick which one between Ole Miss or A&M which is obvious. Naturally Oregon couldn't play in the first game.

That's really what it came down to I'm sure.
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I forgot they "leased this shit out to tnt
 
Actually no bowl games on Sat the 20th which is odd. Is there Saturday NFL that day?
 
Ah there are NFL games at 3 and 6:30 on 12/20 that those two playoff games will go against so guessing ESPN leased out those two slots
 
So basically TNT gets Tulane/Ole Miss up against the Eagles/Washington game and JMU/Ducks against Packers/Bears

It all comes together
 
Notre dame needs to join a conference. Period. No matter if they got in or not.

I personally would be more a fan of a playoff system where only conference winners get in. By allowimg teams like miami, oregon, and bama in, for example, you are handing out participation trophies for teams that dont win their conference.

Make conference championships great again. Win that and you get the opportinity to be a champion.

Can those that are in that didnt win their conference win the national championship, sure. By allowing the non-winners in, you devalue the conference championship.

So if thats the way its going to be, why play them? Oh, the money factor.

The highest rated athletes now flock to the schools with the most money. The return on that investment wouldnt be there if western michigan were in...or kennesaw state...or duke even. For some, they won when it mattered, and they still dont get the shot.

There is no debate the top 4 conferences have much better top to bottom competition than the rest, but isnt that just diluting the product and making it top heavy?

And most of these prima donna portal jumpres will make lousy pros because tjey lack discipline and development and a team first attitude. The xfl and the arena leage will be glad to have them on the roster.

Ill shut up now.
 
CPA-hole said:
Friday Night is worse than Saturday Night for TV viewership IMO. Yet they roll the "best" game out for it again this year. Last year it was Tenn/ND.

I'm just saying your 2nd 'best" game should be primetime Saturday night.
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the numbers agree with you but watch the ratings on Friday 12/19 for Alabama at Oklahoma in primetime.

they will be massive.

First Round (December 2024)
 
slim5150 said:
Notre dame needs to join a conference. Period. No matter if they got in or not.

I personally would be more a fan of a playoff system where only conference winners get in. By allowimg teams like miami, oregon, and bama in, for example, you are handing out participation trophies for teams that dont win their conference.

Make conference championships great again. Win that and you get the opportinity to be a champion.

Can those that are in that didnt win their conference win the national championship, sure. By allowing the non-winners in, you devalue the conference championship.

So if thats the way its going to be, why play them? Oh, the money factor.

The highest rated athletes now flock to the schools with the most money. The return on that investment wouldnt be there if western michigan were in...or kennesaw state...or duke even. For some, they won when it mattered, and they still dont get the shot.

There is no debate the top 4 conferences have much better top to bottom competition than the rest, but isnt that just diluting the product and making it top heavy?

And most of these prima donna portal jumpres will make lousy pros because tjey lack discipline and development and a team first attitude. The xfl and the arena leage will be glad to have them on the roster.

Ill shut up now.
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ND gets to keep all of their money to themselves

they made the playoff last year without a conference

they made the 4 team playoff twice under Brian Kelly

they will not be making a kneejerk reaction to join a conference

this is about money. money money money

their football money they get to keep with the exclusive deal with NBC is way too much

all their merch, their brand, everything.

they do not need to join a conference and they will not.

this was an aberration year that they were left out.

go 11-1 and they are in.
 
Preseason rankings are not going anywhere.

CFB wants airtime in July and August.

they don't it all to be about baseball in July and NFL preseason in August.

preseason rankings are good for business.

so are conference championship games.

this is a business first and foremost.

that means money money money rules the day.
 
ND will not be joining a conference anytime soon............

The athletic director told Yahoo! Sports, and The Athletic confirmed, that Notre Dame and the CFP have agreed to a clause in future years that the Irish would automatically be included in any 12-team field if it finished in the top 12 of the final rankings.
 
- Take your toys and go home, Notre Dame. Get in to a conference if you're not happy. Or, how about beating Miami head to head when you had a chance.
- Alabama nonsense is just that. It won the regular season title in the sport's toughest league. It also beat Georgia already but had to play in one of these dumb conference title games, all of which need to be kicked to the curb.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
I used to be a lot more sympathetic toward fans of schools who argue that their team was excluded from the CFP because it‘s not a big enough “name” or “brand,” or whatever. We‘re hearing this especially with BYU now.

Then this happened:

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Now I think that a team like BYU, who got blown out by Texas Tech btw, wouldn‘t even be in the playoff conversation if they were an SEC school and had a schedule like Georgia‘s.

So, Roll Tide. Go Irish.
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... exactly!

Cascade down from that to discussing a superimposed exigency of using Teams' Pointspread W/L Records to determine eligibility.

Many have raised this topic before and included the information presented below before

Therefore this is just a slight nuance that came to mind

It CERTAINLY DOES NOT render it a perfectly even playing field but at least somewhat more representative of the entire college landsccape over the course of a season as well as portions of a season

It was TCU in 2014 that had a great pointspread record and yet Ohio State got chosen after demolishing a strong Wisconsin team in the Big 10 Championship.

Ohio State beat Alabama 42 - 35 as 9-point underdogs & beat Oregon 42 - 20 as 7'-point underdog for the national championship
TCU too demolished Ole Miss 42 - 3 as 3'-point favorites (TCU and Baylor were BIG 12 co-champions since there was no conference championship game).

Baylor was ranked #5 by the CFP and TCU was right behind at #6
Baylor lost as a slight favorite to Michigan State

Wonder if any of Phil Steele's Cappers Free Phone Line have an NCAA FB "boatracing" index... exceptional for TCU to come out determined to overcome the snub*) and show their betting supporters they could thrash the third- or fourth-best team in the SEC without having to sweat a trip to the Sportsbook's Cashier window.

* There may be some kind of bias against both Baylor and TCU if the excellent overall w/l records in beating similar opponents caused a reduction in whatever power metrics were used by the schools ... and again, many others have raised this topic before and I suppose many BIG12 supporters of TCU & Baylor may have felt the same way

(Co-Pilot Ai provided data)
 
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It's one thing to not take every conference champion, which should be the case....

BUT

If you aren't going to do that, then there has to be a rule that if the conference champion does not make it, no other team from that conference can make it. That should be easy. That should be a no-brainer.

Miami, FL is better than Duke but not as deserving as Duke to be in the playoff.

Worst Loss: 5-7 team who finished 13th in their conference for bama, 4-8 team who finished 11th in their conference for Texas. Per Sagarin the 4-8 team played the toughest schedule in the country. They also played in a tougher conference than the 5-7 team. They also beat the 5-7 team by 19 points in a rivalry game. The bad loss to the 5-7 team by bama was first game of the year, the bad loss to the 4-8 team by texas was first week of october. Advantage Texas

Strength of Schedule: Per Sagarin Bama 3rd hardest, Texas 12th hardest. Advantage Bama but kind of splitting hairs there.

Best Win: Bama beat Georgia, Texas beat TAMU. Edge to Bama there for sure.

Recency - Texas won 6 of their last 7 with only loss to Georgia and in a more competitive game with Georgia than the SEC championship finale Georgia had with Bama. Alabama won 5 of last 7 with both losses to quality opponents: Small edge to Texas.

Ownership of the Committee: Big edge to Bama.




As for Miami vs ND, it should be moot due to Duke winning the conference but I think the following if you look at them head up ... Miami beat them. That should take precedence over almost everything once there is a reasonable debate between two teams.
 
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