CFB ML Dogs week 7
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ClevelandsBest
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Can you explain to me why you like the Illini? Personally I see zero value in taking the Illini this week. The last two weeks were the time to take them and this week is the time to fade them IMO The public is always one or two weeks late
redbearde
Pretty much a regular
Iowa doesn't play offense, and they aren't very good on defense...they even made Penn St look good on offense. Illinois has a great rungame, and Iowa won't be able to stop it.
Iowa St outgained them and even coughed up a fumble, but Iowa could only manage 223 total yards. Iowa allowed 3.7 ypc to ISU.
Wisconsin plays the hot knife through butter defense. Iowa managed 228 total yards. Iowa allowed 3.2 ypc, and Wisky even threw a pick and lost 2 fumbles, but Iowa still lost 17-13.
Iowa played Indiana at home. Iowa allowed 322 yards through the air on 26 attempts. They did hold Indiana to 2.1ypc...GJ. But they managed to lose 38-20.
Against Penn st, Iowa managed 195 yards of total offense. Penn St finally let them have their only TD in the 4th Q. Meanwhile, Penn St with an absolute ASSCLOWN in a QB (morelli) gained 490 total yards. Morelli even served up 2 picks. Yet Penn St made Iowa look like an absolute joke. Penn St managed 5.1ypc against this Iowa defense...
Illinois should win this one by DD. Easily. Even when Iowa resoundingly wins the turnover battle, they can't do shit on offense.
and Mendenhall is a stud. Between him and Juice, the rushing game will really pick up. If they stop juice from rushing, he can dump it to Mendenhall. It's going to be ugly for Iowa.
speaking of ugly. Have you checked the injury list for Iowa this week? Some of these kids have been out for a while, but as time has progressed and more of them have been hurt, the team has suffered horrifically....
Iowa Injuries:
Dace Richardson OL Ques Sat - Knee - 10/9/07
Is questionable for Saturday's game against Illinois.
Devan Moylan DB Ques Sat - Concussion - 10/6/07
Missed Saturday's game against Penn State because of a concussion.
Mike Klinkenborg LB Ques Sat - Concussion - 10/6/07
Missed Saturday's game against Penn State because of a concussion.
Tony Moeaki TE Out indefinitely - Hand - 9/25/07
He is suffering from a broken hand and a dsilocated elbow. He is out indefinitely.
Andy Brodell WR out for season - Hamstring - 9/25/07
Expected to miss the rest of the season after tearing his hamstring in Week 4.
Bryan Bulaga OL Out indefinitely - Undisclosed - 9/12/07
He is out indefinitely with an undisclosed injury.
Alex Kanellis OL out for season - Concussion - 8/31/07
Likely out for the season with a concussion.
Karl Klug DE Late Oct - Foot - 8/31/07
He could be sidelined for up to six weeks with a foot injury.
Dominique Douglas WR Out indefinitely - Suspension - 8/20/07
Was suspended from the team after being arrested for unauthorized use of a credit card.
Anthony Bowman WR Out indefinitely - Suspension - 8/20/07
Was suspended from the team after being arrested for unauthorized use of a credit card.
If that bit is a dig, you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't believe in fading the public. I've heard it all before, and I think it's a load of crap. I don't believe you or anyone else really knows what "the public" is betting on...except the books. I think the bookmakers set lines to get 50/50 action, and telling me I'm making a public bet doesn't mean that it's a bad bet.
If you like the Hawkeyes, go to beted and get you a +6. I'm not sure what they might offer on the ML because I don't use that book.
Now, why do you think taking the illini has no value this week...aside from implied crap about "the public"?
Iowa St outgained them and even coughed up a fumble, but Iowa could only manage 223 total yards. Iowa allowed 3.7 ypc to ISU.
Wisconsin plays the hot knife through butter defense. Iowa managed 228 total yards. Iowa allowed 3.2 ypc, and Wisky even threw a pick and lost 2 fumbles, but Iowa still lost 17-13.
Iowa played Indiana at home. Iowa allowed 322 yards through the air on 26 attempts. They did hold Indiana to 2.1ypc...GJ. But they managed to lose 38-20.
Against Penn st, Iowa managed 195 yards of total offense. Penn St finally let them have their only TD in the 4th Q. Meanwhile, Penn St with an absolute ASSCLOWN in a QB (morelli) gained 490 total yards. Morelli even served up 2 picks. Yet Penn St made Iowa look like an absolute joke. Penn St managed 5.1ypc against this Iowa defense...
Illinois should win this one by DD. Easily. Even when Iowa resoundingly wins the turnover battle, they can't do shit on offense.
and Mendenhall is a stud. Between him and Juice, the rushing game will really pick up. If they stop juice from rushing, he can dump it to Mendenhall. It's going to be ugly for Iowa.
speaking of ugly. Have you checked the injury list for Iowa this week? Some of these kids have been out for a while, but as time has progressed and more of them have been hurt, the team has suffered horrifically....
Iowa Injuries:
Dace Richardson OL Ques Sat - Knee - 10/9/07
Is questionable for Saturday's game against Illinois.
Devan Moylan DB Ques Sat - Concussion - 10/6/07
Missed Saturday's game against Penn State because of a concussion.
Mike Klinkenborg LB Ques Sat - Concussion - 10/6/07
Missed Saturday's game against Penn State because of a concussion.
Tony Moeaki TE Out indefinitely - Hand - 9/25/07
He is suffering from a broken hand and a dsilocated elbow. He is out indefinitely.
Andy Brodell WR out for season - Hamstring - 9/25/07
Expected to miss the rest of the season after tearing his hamstring in Week 4.
Bryan Bulaga OL Out indefinitely - Undisclosed - 9/12/07
He is out indefinitely with an undisclosed injury.
Alex Kanellis OL out for season - Concussion - 8/31/07
Likely out for the season with a concussion.
Karl Klug DE Late Oct - Foot - 8/31/07
He could be sidelined for up to six weeks with a foot injury.
Dominique Douglas WR Out indefinitely - Suspension - 8/20/07
Was suspended from the team after being arrested for unauthorized use of a credit card.
Anthony Bowman WR Out indefinitely - Suspension - 8/20/07
Was suspended from the team after being arrested for unauthorized use of a credit card.
If that bit is a dig, you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't believe in fading the public. I've heard it all before, and I think it's a load of crap. I don't believe you or anyone else really knows what "the public" is betting on...except the books. I think the bookmakers set lines to get 50/50 action, and telling me I'm making a public bet doesn't mean that it's a bad bet.
If you like the Hawkeyes, go to beted and get you a +6. I'm not sure what they might offer on the ML because I don't use that book.
Now, why do you think taking the illini has no value this week...aside from implied crap about "the public"?
ClevelandsBest
Pretty much a regular
LOL, wow I say a general comment and you come down on my pretty harsh. UHHHH ok? Moving right along that comment was not at you it was based on the Illini winning two games where the pub was hammering the opponent and the Illini had great value. Now after those people who had Penn st and Wisky lost their money the books know they will come back and try to get it by playing ON the Illini. The books know that most people will be on the Illini, they know Iowas injuries and they aren't in the business of losing money.
Iowas def only allowing 10 tds in 24 quarters sounds pretty solid to me. Also Iowa wins the turnover battle game in and game out which tells me they can control the ball in this game. Iowas pass defense is pretty good so they should have no problem stopping Illinois average passing offense.
Benn and Williams are also a little banged up.
Illinois won both their big games at home and are due for a big letdown game. Lets not forget that Penn st handed that game to them or else this game would be a completely different situation for most.
I will watch next time I disagree with your play to only say really nice things. :shake:
redbearde
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Okay, so the one stat you can point to is allowing 10 TDs in 24 quarters?
Iowa gave up 3 TDs to Penn St. And they lost and didn't cover.
Iowa gave up 5 TDs to Indiana. And they lost and didn't cover.
Iowa gave up 2 TDs to Wisconsin. And they lost and WOW...managed a cover.
That looks to me like giving up 10 TDs in the last 3 games. Prior to that it was syracuse and northern illinois, and if a big 10 defense can't hold them to no TDs, then there's a serious problem on that defense.
I don't mind reasoned disagreement. But trying to divine the books' intentions and telling me, "they aren't in the business of losing money" isn't reasoned disagreement. Iowa is a bad football team, and Illinois is quite a lot better.
Please go talk to someone else about how the books know who "the public" will bet on in a given game. If you know of some reason that Iowa will win the game, I'm happy to hear it, but simply telling me that a side is the public side doesn't hold any sway at all. Navy was apparently the public side too, and everyone, it seemed, but me seemed to know that Pitt's defense was very good. The numbers and the opponents tell a different story, and so it is with Iowa.
GL this weekend.
Iowa gave up 3 TDs to Penn St. And they lost and didn't cover.
Iowa gave up 5 TDs to Indiana. And they lost and didn't cover.
Iowa gave up 2 TDs to Wisconsin. And they lost and WOW...managed a cover.
That looks to me like giving up 10 TDs in the last 3 games. Prior to that it was syracuse and northern illinois, and if a big 10 defense can't hold them to no TDs, then there's a serious problem on that defense.
I don't mind reasoned disagreement. But trying to divine the books' intentions and telling me, "they aren't in the business of losing money" isn't reasoned disagreement. Iowa is a bad football team, and Illinois is quite a lot better.
Please go talk to someone else about how the books know who "the public" will bet on in a given game. If you know of some reason that Iowa will win the game, I'm happy to hear it, but simply telling me that a side is the public side doesn't hold any sway at all. Navy was apparently the public side too, and everyone, it seemed, but me seemed to know that Pitt's defense was very good. The numbers and the opponents tell a different story, and so it is with Iowa.
GL this weekend.
redbearde
Pretty much a regular
Thanks. It was definitely a good start...and it certainly was a contest. I'm still stunned that Navy won on a defensive stand...but I'll take it.
spanishshark
Youngest guy on the forum
Good luck Red. Shootem up and reload baby ! :cheers:
spanishshark
Youngest guy on the forum
:cheers:
JimmyHoffa
Pretty much a regular
FUkC FSU. I hate them. I will not watch another game until they get another quarterback. They suck...XL is a pussy. Go Christian Ponder. Fuch, fukc, FUkc.
redbearde
Pretty much a regular
that defense is fucking stacked, tho...let's give em some credit.
Wake just hit a couple big plays and a few key first downs in the right spots...
you'll get em back later this weekend bro.
:cheers:
sportjunky
Follower of tha truddhist philosophy
fwiw, redbearde, regarding the UCLA injuries....Olson had surgery and he'll be out a month...Cowan will likely not be back for the Cal game....I'm 99% sure Kevin Brown didn't hurt his ankle and is going to play. If Harwell doesn't get back for the Cal game I think he's going to end up redshirting.
As for the QB situation, its between the walkon and true freshman Chris Forcier. Forcier is very athletic but is just 6'3 150 lbs. Ossaar Rashan a RS Soph moved from QB to WR this summer and is considered the best combination of size and athleticism on the team. He's regarded by the fans as clearly the best option if Cowan can't make it back, but there are rumors that politics are involved...Rashaans father was against the move to WR but the coaches convinced the kid to make the switch....so KD doesn't want to make it look like a mistake was made by switching him to WR.
If Cowan does not make it back and Rashaan is relegated to emergency QB status (both of which look very likely at this point in time)...bet against UCLA BIG cuz Dorrell will be commiting coaching :hang: if he plays MaC (the walkon) or Forcier.
As for the QB situation, its between the walkon and true freshman Chris Forcier. Forcier is very athletic but is just 6'3 150 lbs. Ossaar Rashan a RS Soph moved from QB to WR this summer and is considered the best combination of size and athleticism on the team. He's regarded by the fans as clearly the best option if Cowan can't make it back, but there are rumors that politics are involved...Rashaans father was against the move to WR but the coaches convinced the kid to make the switch....so KD doesn't want to make it look like a mistake was made by switching him to WR.
If Cowan does not make it back and Rashaan is relegated to emergency QB status (both of which look very likely at this point in time)...bet against UCLA BIG cuz Dorrell will be commiting coaching :hang: if he plays MaC (the walkon) or Forcier.
redbearde
Pretty much a regular
here's where I am with the prospective plays
Minnesota - value hasn't developed yet like I hoped, and combined with the fact that it's this minny team, and I'm jut not sure I can bring myself to play them.
Louisville - I want to...jeez, I want to. But here's the thing, first, that defense is reeeeeeally bad, and I'm not sure I have enough e's in there. Cinci is more than competent, and Mauk has enough ability to put up 350 yards passing and 5 TDs against these shitstains. ...not to mention cinci's defense should be good for another 2 picks off brohm, and perhaps even another recovered fumble or two. I'm not laying the chalk here, and I guess with a gun to my head I like the value in the ML more than anything else, but this is going to be a DAMNED hard game for Louie to win this year given their serious defensive problems...
Mississippi St - again, I just haven't seen the value I want...and, frankly, the value I expected. Best number is 242 at MB, and I just wanted more for this one. I mean, I'll still need MSU to score for crying out loud...there's still plenty of time for money to come in on the Vols, so we'll see. I certainly haven't shat on this one yet.
San Diego St - upon reflection, I'm just not keen on backing this bunch. ...I was considering laying almost 2 TDs against them last week, and they're the same kids...so I won't be playing SDSU.
Rice - I think Dr Bob is right about this one. Rice will need a shitload of help from Houston like they got from Southern Miss. I still think the value might be there, but I guess I'm not that interested in betting a team that won't stop Houston even once on offense. Houston might stop houston, but Rice sure as hell won't.
Wisconsin - lots of questions here. PJ Hill is a question in my mind because he keeps leaving games with a sore pussy. Swan is out. Can the badgers move the ball? Perhaps some...but if they don't do better than they did versus the Illini last week, they can forget it. Penn St might suspend some kids...I've been hearing that rumor for a few days now, and I'll believe it when I see it. ...it might not have any effect on the starters or primary reserves, anyway. Too many questions to bother with this number. At 310 like I got with Iowa, I might have to re-consider, but as of now it's out of consideration.
Indiana - just..no value.
SMU - just suck as much as S. Miss without all the QB injuries...
Washington - still considering. Bjorks hasn't given the scoop yet...
North Texas - mighta missed the boat on this one. That's really okay as UNT's defensive unit doesn't stop anyone any better than Rice.
LSU chalk - probly won't bother...I don't like laying a ton of chalk, but I seem to be in the minority opinion that LSU will give Woodson more of a fit than South Carolina did.
baffulo chalk - if I was going to play it, it would have to be before dr bob effed it. No chance do I lay 4.5 or 5 in this game.
So out of the prospects that I have left, I guess I'm closest to playing Mississippi St. But I want several cents more. We'll see if I get it. If not, the card looks good to me.
Minnesota - value hasn't developed yet like I hoped, and combined with the fact that it's this minny team, and I'm jut not sure I can bring myself to play them.
Louisville - I want to...jeez, I want to. But here's the thing
Mississippi St - again, I just haven't seen the value I want...and, frankly, the value I expected. Best number is 242 at MB, and I just wanted more for this one. I mean, I'll still need MSU to score for crying out loud...there's still plenty of time for money to come in on the Vols, so we'll see. I certainly haven't shat on this one yet.
San Diego St - upon reflection, I'm just not keen on backing this bunch. ...I was considering laying almost 2 TDs against them last week, and they're the same kids...so I won't be playing SDSU.
Rice - I think Dr Bob is right about this one. Rice will need a shitload of help from Houston like they got from Southern Miss. I still think the value might be there, but I guess I'm not that interested in betting a team that won't stop Houston even once on offense. Houston might stop houston, but Rice sure as hell won't.
Wisconsin - lots of questions here. PJ Hill is a question in my mind because he keeps leaving games with a sore pussy. Swan is out. Can the badgers move the ball? Perhaps some...but if they don't do better than they did versus the Illini last week, they can forget it. Penn St might suspend some kids...I've been hearing that rumor for a few days now, and I'll believe it when I see it. ...it might not have any effect on the starters or primary reserves, anyway. Too many questions to bother with this number. At 310 like I got with Iowa, I might have to re-consider, but as of now it's out of consideration.
Indiana - just..no value.
SMU - just suck as much as S. Miss without all the QB injuries...
Washington - still considering. Bjorks hasn't given the scoop yet...
North Texas - mighta missed the boat on this one. That's really okay as UNT's defensive unit doesn't stop anyone any better than Rice.
LSU chalk - probly won't bother...I don't like laying a ton of chalk, but I seem to be in the minority opinion that LSU will give Woodson more of a fit than South Carolina did.
baffulo chalk - if I was going to play it, it would have to be before dr bob effed it. No chance do I lay 4.5 or 5 in this game.
So out of the prospects that I have left, I guess I'm closest to playing Mississippi St. But I want several cents more. We'll see if I get it. If not, the card looks good to me.
sportjunky
Follower of tha truddhist philosophy
no love for the aggies?
Okstate ended up with 366 rushing yards vs. TTech. I didn't see the game, but damn thats a high number.
Last years A&M - Tech game came down to the wire with an opportunistic play by Tech to crush A&M's soul at the end of the game. Somethin like a 40 yard TD pass with under 30 seconds left. Crazy ending and the home crowd was absolutely crushed. They stfu in a hurry. And this was after thinking the game was locked up. It was classic college football.
So last years game was competitive and TTech apparently has issues stopping the run.
Only thing that worries me is last years game was at A&M, two years ago TTech blew the aggies out at home, so as usual, home field could have an impact.
+340 feels like it has good value. But I've been on a ML binge (started with rice last week
rayer) so maybe im not seeing clearly.
Is TTech really that much better than A&M?
Okstate ended up with 366 rushing yards vs. TTech. I didn't see the game, but damn thats a high number.
Last years A&M - Tech game came down to the wire with an opportunistic play by Tech to crush A&M's soul at the end of the game. Somethin like a 40 yard TD pass with under 30 seconds left. Crazy ending and the home crowd was absolutely crushed. They stfu in a hurry. And this was after thinking the game was locked up. It was classic college football.
So last years game was competitive and TTech apparently has issues stopping the run.
Only thing that worries me is last years game was at A&M, two years ago TTech blew the aggies out at home, so as usual, home field could have an impact.
+340 feels like it has good value. But I've been on a ML binge (started with rice last week
rayer) so maybe im not seeing clearly. Is TTech really that much better than A&M?
JimmyHoffa
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Too many 3 and outs, 2 and out, 1 and out. Defense had no chance. There is no leadership on the offensive side of the ball. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the younger guys in there at QB. Too many turnovers, but yeah, they had their chances...still.
redbearde
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I despise the the aggies right now. It started with the Fresno St game when I had +950 against them...Oklahoma St should have won their game too.
In specific terms to this game, I do think A&M will be stopped a couple or three times. That 3-ton tank they have to run the ball does get stopped on occasion, and their passing game suffers from disuse.
A&M on defense......TTech really is that much better offensively than A&M's secondary. Graham Harrell is going to have a field day...
or I could be completely wrong.
but I am not putting money on the Aggies. I like rushing teams, but I don't like their style. They had off the ball to a lineman and have him pick up 4 yards - it works some, but it's like having Sean Bradley as a center in the NBA. They got exposed at a middle-of-the-road Miami, FL team, and I thoroughly think they should not be ranked.
:shake:
sportjunky
Follower of tha truddhist philosophy
After reading your reply and the other thread on the game, im definitely gonna lay off A&M.
My ML plays for the day are going to be
Louisville
Washington
I'll likely strike out, but a win by either team wouldn't surprise me and with their respective QB's they should be competitive throughout the game.
and also, back to UCLA injures, word is that Cowan will be back for the Cal game. Apparently he was cleared to practice this week but didn't just to be safe. The guy is truly remarkable. I thought he had torn his acl and was done for the season when I saw the injury. His body just bent in a really awkward way. I'm not getting my hopes up but at least the Cal game will be interesting.
My ML plays for the day are going to be
Louisville
Washington
I'll likely strike out, but a win by either team wouldn't surprise me and with their respective QB's they should be competitive throughout the game.
and also, back to UCLA injures, word is that Cowan will be back for the Cal game. Apparently he was cleared to practice this week but didn't just to be safe. The guy is truly remarkable. I thought he had torn his acl and was done for the season when I saw the injury. His body just bent in a really awkward way. I'm not getting my hopes up but at least the Cal game will be interesting.
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redbearde
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I'm evaluating SMU versus Southern Miss.
from here:
http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/SOUTHERNMISS/710100306/1050
and from here:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/SPORTS030104/710100370/1097/SPORTS
and another:
Here, I think the key is for Justin Willis to play well. He needs to throw and run for TDs, and he needs to not turn the ball over. He's certainly better than Reaves was last week. Reaves, btw, is recovering from a strained oblique that messes with his throwing action. Even at full health he threw for 1 TD and 4 INTs. One big problem for SMU is their atrocious defense (almost 500ypg and 38ppg), so in order for SMU to win, they're going to need Smiss's help with turnovers...and that's not an unreasonable expectation at all. I expect an ugly game like Smiss vs Rice, and with the significant QB edge (i think), I just gotta give SMU a shot no matter how bad the offense is...
SMU +295
from here:
http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/SOUTHERNMISS/710100306/1050
and from here:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/SPORTS030104/710100370/1097/SPORTS
and another:
Here, I think the key is for Justin Willis to play well. He needs to throw and run for TDs, and he needs to not turn the ball over. He's certainly better than Reaves was last week. Reaves, btw, is recovering from a strained oblique that messes with his throwing action. Even at full health he threw for 1 TD and 4 INTs. One big problem for SMU is their atrocious defense (almost 500ypg and 38ppg), so in order for SMU to win, they're going to need Smiss's help with turnovers...and that's not an unreasonable expectation at all. I expect an ugly game like Smiss vs Rice, and with the significant QB edge (i think), I just gotta give SMU a shot no matter how bad the offense is...
SMU +295
redbearde
Pretty much a regular
I'm a believer in Cal this year...
offensively
Oregon St, 400ypg, 155.2 rushing, 244.8 passing.
Cal, 428ypg, 201.4 rushing, 227.4 passing
defensively
oregon st, 290.2ypg, 43.5 rushing, 246.7 passing
Cal, 392ypg, 124 rushing, 268 passing
Oregon st
08/30/07 UTAH W 24-7
09/06/07 @CIN L 3-34
09/15/07 IDAST W 61-10
09/22/07 @ARZST L 32-44
09/29/07 UCLA L 14-40
10/06/07 ARZ W 31-16
cinci, AZ st, and UCLA are the telling ones for me when you start talking about playing Cal...
UCLA racked up 349yards, 128 rushing, 221 passing
Cinci gained a mere 229, 30 rushing, and 199 passing, but OSU managed to cough up 6 picks and 1 fumble. The beavers managed 3 points.
AZ st gained 514yards, 190 rushing, and 324 passing.
On the other side of things,
Cal has played a bunch of puff games and then beaten... Oregon @ Autzen, and I find that damned impressive.
Understand that Oregon St has only defeated Arizona and Idaho St...
as far as lines go, Oregon st was -3 while hosting Arizona while Cal was -14 hosting Arizona. So perhaps a more fair line would be -11 for Cal. I certainly wouldn't lay the chalk here, but I most assuredly do think Cal will win it. ...f they can't run, that'll be fine. DeSean Jackson will make the beaver secondary look foolish, I would think...
given Cal's schedule, I can understand the play, but Longshore will have to have a bad day for you to get this win, I think.
GL with this one, bro...
redbearde
Pretty much a regular
I totally get the louisville play...just can't join folks on that one. Cinci's bound to have a bad game at some point, right? Well...I dunno about that. The bearcats defense is very very good, very aggressive, and very opportunistic. Brohm is good too, but he's been prone to mistakes this year, and Louisville's defense has been absolutely pathetic. I just don't see how they are able to stop Mauk today. At All....
I think Syracuse really exposed these guys for what they are this year...offensively, they're great. defensively, they're offensive.
As far as ASU and Washington...I just don't think the huskies can keep up offensively with the Sun Devils. something like 42-17....
GL bro...
macdamn
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GL today red.
I decided to take a chance on Iowa this week. I really like their defense, their offense is garbage though . . . Just think Illinois is in for a letdown after 2 big home wins. Plus I just don't trust a Ron Zook team to know how to handle a pink locker room, LOL. :cheers:
I decided to take a chance on Iowa this week. I really like their defense, their offense is garbage though . . . Just think Illinois is in for a letdown after 2 big home wins. Plus I just don't trust a Ron Zook team to know how to handle a pink locker room, LOL. :cheers:
ClevelandsBest
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redbearde
Pretty much a regular
Plays
Temple +380 - W
Navy +165ish - W
Wake Forest +215 - W
Purdue +200 - L
Colorado +205 - L
Mid TN St +160 - W
Army +450 - L
Air Force +150 - W
Eastern Michigan +170 - L
Oklahoma St +160 - W
SMU +295 - L
ML dogs: 6-5, +7.3 units
overall
ML Dogs: 20-37, 35%, +9.23 units
went 0-2-1 in spreads. Got hosed with BC and South Carolina. When's the last time a Spurrier team didn't score in the 2H...? And Iowa...oh yeah. 10-6 helped with a lot of good luck... Big win them. I wonder if they can manage another...
Temple +380 - W
Navy +165ish - W
Wake Forest +215 - W
Purdue +200 - L
Colorado +205 - L
Mid TN St +160 - W
Army +450 - L
Air Force +150 - W
Eastern Michigan +170 - L
Oklahoma St +160 - W
SMU +295 - L
ML dogs: 6-5, +7.3 units
overall
ML Dogs: 20-37, 35%, +9.23 units
went 0-2-1 in spreads. Got hosed with BC and South Carolina. When's the last time a Spurrier team didn't score in the 2H...? And Iowa...oh yeah. 10-6 helped with a lot of good luck... Big win them. I wonder if they can manage another...
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un kentucky redbearde
when will u listen to hariac
when will u listen to hariac
ClevelandsBest
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Wow, I wrote a whole paragraph about it but JUST BC YOU DIDN'T LIKE MY REASONING you got all flustered. I told you about the Iowa defense and that is exactly why they won. I told you that the line was begging for Illinois money and I told you Illinois won both there big games at home. Sounds like zero reasoning to me. Iowa should have won by 20 but couldn't score on 5 str8 trips into Illinois territory and you say lucky me LOL. If you remember correctly I asked a simple question about the game and you got all pissy with me. Don't try to scare me with banning dude. It is a message board and just bc you lost doesn't mean you have to take it out on me. Good luck next week
redbearde
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actually, I won quite a lot of money this weekend - I rather doubt you did.
Here's what you said:
So I explained it to you. I also told you that I don't believe in this fading the public shit. I don't believe you know who the public is on, I don't believe you CAN know who the public is on, and I think it's delusional horseshit to think you are actually betting *with* the books.
In short, I answered your question and told you I don't care about 'the public' and their wagers.
you responded with this tripe about allowing 10 TDs in 24 quarters. I have news for you. It's a bullshit stat.
as for this defense touting you are doing...
Illinois had 5.2yp play
Iowa had 4.5yp play
Illinois had 3.9yp rush
Iowa had 3yp rush
Illinois had 7.5 yp pass attempt
Iowa had 7.2 yp pass attempt.
The difference in this game was the one interception McGee threw. And that was a gift. I watched it. You can call it great defense if you want. Again, it's a free country, and you can be as wrong as you want (hey, it worked for you this time!), but if you're going to give Iowa credit for great defense, then you should do the same for Illinois.
It was not that I just didn't like your reasoning. It was that your "reasoning" is completely devoid of reason. You claim this is a good defense based on this flawed "10 TDs in 24 quarters" nonsense, and then you give me some hoo-haa about the line begging for money. That's the extent of what you said.
And now you claim Iowa should have won by 20 because they suck ass on offense? Are you fucking kidding me?
I didn't just get pissy with you. I answered your question with actual information, and you ridiculed it and told me again that I'm all over the public side like that has anything to do with anything.
And then you came in here to gloat. Fuck you.
Joe Public
Gabibbo's Finest
I took those same two tough beats with South Carolina and BC, Red. Tough to swallow.
Good job on the dogs this week, congrats.
Good job on the dogs this week, congrats.
ClevelandsBest
Pretty much a regular
Classy response from a moderator. U have no idea what I played beside Iowa yet you doubt if I won money LOL. IF you want I will pm you a site with all my posted picks. I refrain from showing you up on here just bc u might threaten me again....But that isn't the point. I told the line was flawed and that Iowa could play some defense. Fact remains the line was flawed and Iowa played defense. Just bc you don't believe in the public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is easy to tell who the public is on and Illinois was a classic example. No the public doesn't always lose but Illinois' value was in there last two games (when you had Wisky). Im sorry that you can't see that. You can keep trying to be a tough guy (which I fully expect) or you can admit that I gave you a couple reasons to stay off the game. I never said one bad word about you but you keep thinking bc you're some big bad mod that you can say what you want to me. Get over urself bud.
BTW you can see I have 100 posts why do you think banning me would solve anything? Just sounds like ur taking ur loss out on me. Good luck with that anger tough guy
Let it go.....
BTW you can see I have 100 posts why do you think banning me would solve anything? Just sounds like ur taking ur loss out on me. Good luck with that anger tough guy
Let it go.....
ClevelandsBest
Pretty much a regular
And the difference in the game was the INT? LOL You must not have watched Iowa get into Illinois territory all first half and come up empty. Or how about Illinois not be able to move the ball at all in the first half. That rationalization doesn't even make sense.
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