BOB time-INGAME

Rotation #154 Georgia Tech (-13) 3-Stars at -14 or less, 2-Stars from -14 1/2 to -16 points.
Rotation #150 California (-17) 3-Stars at -20 or less, 2-Stars at -20 1/2 or -21.
Rotation #131 Mississippi (-5) 3-Stars at -6 1/2 or less, 2-Stars at -7.
Rotation #142 Utah State (+16 1/2) 3-Stars at +14 or more, 2-Stars down to +10 1/2 points.
Rotation #146 Tennessee (+6) 2-Stars at +4 or more.
Strong Opinion - Rotation #104 West Virginia (-3 1/2) Strong Opinion at -4 or less.
Strong Opinion - Rotation #180 Missouri (-23 1/2) Strong Opinion at -24 or less. 2-Star Best Bet at -23 or less.
Strong Opinion - Rotation #182 Ohio State (+2 1/2) Strong Opinion at +1 or more.
Strong Opinion - Rotation #174 Louisville (+4) Strong Opinion at +4 or more.
Strong Opinion - Rotation #126 Pittsburgh (-9 1/2) Strong Opinion at -10 or less.
Strong Opinion - Rotation #169 Wyoming (+31) Strong Opinion at +28 or more.
 
Looks like that about wraps it up.

Someone feel free to post them when we get an official list so we can look for fraudulent games and/or other moves that could be suspicious.
 
Thanks Kyle.

Whatever games moved that aren't on his list need to be examined more closely to see if they don't end up moving the other way harder on Saturday...
 
He's on the Ville! YEAH BABY!

Might have to put some more dough on USF...although, I'm wishing I would've waited 1 more fuckin hour to bet on the damn game!

:whip:
 
Bob stole my picks . I have everyone except Utah State and on RU not Pitt . Killed so much value though as I had just pieces of some of them .
 
What do you mean by that CKR? You are talking about CMU, AZ, and Troy? Those were big moves that aren't attributed to Bob at this point, you think Toledo, USC, and North Texas will take big money on Saturday?
 
Garfather - That's exactly what I'm saying. Those will be Walters sides, 90 percent sure of it.

He bets on fucking North Texas every week.
 
SportsNut said:
It wont matter ....:pillow:
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lol.

if i lose i sure hope it doesnt matter!!!.

getting the worst of the line is the quickest way to the poorhouse.

Bad work by me in regards to the line. oh well.

And hey bud .. if ( or as you feel when ) i lose that bet atleast i know you are somewhere cashing a winning ticket . :cheers:
 
Thanks VK. The funny part would be if we both lost but think I have -11 . Imagine we wasted all that time and it fell on 12 or 13 and we both had the worst of the line.

Just fucking around abit since we went back and forth on that ...BOL
 
walters on kstate?

down to +18, and i missed the "bob hour" so not sure who hit them, and its not on bobs list of play either
 
TheGarfather said:
Who is Walters? This is the first year I have heard of him.
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Here's a little article from the MGM magazine about him...... Odd that you've never heard of him before.

Story By Jack Sheehan
Illustration by Tim O'Brien Talk to Billy Walters about his favorite charity, Opportunity Village, the Las Vegas organization that helps seriously disabled and disadvantaged people, and his voice grows soft. He gets emotional instantly. Then change the subject to golf course proprietorship, a topic that as the owner of six area courses he knows better than anyone, and he'll alternate between humor and earnest evaluation as he discusses the challenge of developing and operating championship courses in economically uncertain times.
But bring up the subject of sports gambling , and how he finds the edge that will beat the odds makers more than six times out of ten, and his eyes grow colder than the shark in Jaws, just as it was about to bite into Captain Quint. This is dead-serious business for the man who is considered the biggest sports gambler in America.
Walters is so revered in the tight circle of front-line sports gamblers for his ability to choose the right team at the right time, that other prognosticators bow to the East when talking about him. He might be up a little bit in his career, but betting the huge money that Billy bets and moving the odds the way he does, just boggles the mind. In that arena, he is without question the Man.
When Walters is asked for a self-analysis of his sports betting prowess, he says, "We've done pretty good. And I do think it's probably true that my partners and I are the biggest sports bettors in the world. "
Perhaps because we've caught him in a benevolent mood, on a mid- summer morning in his tastefully decorated Las Vegas office sequestered behind Cili Restaurant in the Bali Hai clubhouse, Walters chooses to share a little information with us on how he determines his picks.
"If you compare me to someone in the stock market, I am a value investor," he says. "I'm like a Warren Buffett. I don't like ridiculous long shots. I look at two teams and determine what the projected outcome should be. If the line that's out there shows enough of a differential, then I'll bet on either side. I don't have favorite teams, and I don't care who wins."
Billy says the constraints of his golf course business keep him from being a totally consumed handicapper. "The research time to analyze a game is something I just don't have," he says. "But what I do have is a lot of different people that provide me with various forms of handicapping information. There are 10 or 12 different ones. These are people I've known for a long time. I know their strengths, I know their weaknesses , and when I do an evaluation it's just like a stock market advisor on Wall Street. The guys at these big funds rely on a lot of analysts to give them information, and they have to know the strengths and weaknesses of these evaluators. Many times I may have five guys on one side, and two on the other , and I will bet against the five. After evaluating everything you can, in the end you have to trust your gut."
Walters says that the public most often bets the favorites; the question he always ponders when the line first comes out is which way is it likely to move. Then he keeps a close eye on injuries and late developments before game time.
Billy bets mainly on college and pro football, as well as basketball. He feels if a game is worth betting on, it's worth betting big on. The average bet he and his partners make on a game is $100,000, but that can go up to a million dollars if the numbers look right. "Usually the biggest bets are made on the college bowl games at the end of the year or the Super Bowl," he says. "By the end of a season you have a great feel for what both teams can do, and can't do."
Walters acknowledges that his bets often move the line, but only because so many scouts are watching what he's doing. "There are people surveilling our people all the time," he says. "They are in the casinos sun up to sun down to see what we're betting. That's what causes the line to move, all these people watching us and betting the way we bet. And that includes the tout services, those guys who advertise guaranteed winners. If the guy could pick winners himself, he'd be betting on them, not running a tout service."
With that, Billy Walters wraps up our conversation and rushes out to check on the new greens that have just been installed at his Bali Hai course.
"These are the best greens in town right now," he says. "You can bet on it."
I decide not to ask him what the line is.
 
Also Rexy......

Phil Ivey is getting a lot of respect out there now, and is moving a considerable amount of these line early Thursday mornings.
 
 
hoopsstar22 said:
Also Rexy......

Phil Ivey is getting a lot of respect out there now, and is moving a considerable amount of these line early Thursday mornings.
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phil ivey as in the poker player?

i know hes a big degenerate, but i thought he was mostly golf/poker

didnt even know he dabbled into handicapping.... and even if he did wouldnt think he would be getting enough respect to move lines himself.
 
TheGarfather said:
Hi fellas, sorry, got taken away there for a second.

Louisville plays better at home, especially in this recent series. Mostly I just like the fact that this is the healthiest they have been all year, on both sides of the ball, and they have the DL and LBers to eliminate Grothe and Williams/Ford. USF is still a marginal passing team I think. QB play edge goes to Cantwell, if they can keep him up-right they could very well win. Cardinals have also made some plays on defense and special teams recently which is something USF does well, don't be surprised if its these facets that determine the outcome.
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Appreciate the thoughts - do you think highly of Cantwell?
 
hoops - Yes, Ivey commands some respect. His totals have been money all year. He's certainly got someone to smarten up since his catastrophic years in 2005 and 2006.
 
CollegeKingRex said:
hoops - Yes, Ivey commands some respect. His totals have been money all year. He's certainly got someone to smarten up since his catastrophic years in 2005 and 2006.
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When I was in Vegas for the WSOP, I heard Ivey was moving $ for Walters. Where did u hear he was money on totals?? I also played with one of Walters' beards.
 
AHHHH it all makes sense now.

CHIP REESE (RIP, class act). him and ivey played in the "big game" 5x a week together.

cant believe i never knew ivey was handicapping football.... usually try to stay up on that type of shit. i know a lot of poker players do, and that chip used to, and ivey is as degenerate as they come, just never made the connection

thanks CKR and hoops, you learn something new every day here.
 
Billy Walters: The World's Most Successful Sports Betting Gambler

Who strikes fear to bookmakers in Las Vegas and around the world?? Who can move the line with one bet?? Who is the most respected and successful sports bettor in history?? Ask anyone around a Las Vegas Sportsbook and to a man and woman they will tell you Billy Walters.
Before we delve into Billy’s success let’s begin with his humble beginnings. Billy owned a used car dealership in Kentucky and often gambled away his earnings as a losing gambler. Billy Walters incurred much debt and even though he earned $500,000 a year from his car dealership it had all been gambled away and then some as he was so broke he had to bet on credit and he owed thousands to several bookmakers across the country. Walters left Kentucky for Las Vegas and had visions of being a professional gambler. Some may say he was running away from his debts and problems in Kentucky but Walters just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Walters big break was his move to Las Vegas and hooking up with a 3 year old operation known as “The Computer Group” and began making bets for this newly formed betting syndicate.
Billy Walters was part of the famous “Computer Group” that formed in 1980 that specialized in beating Las Vegas and bookmakers around the country. The Computer Group utilized a personal computer and with some clever programming was able to find bad point spreads on games and was able to win at an amazing win percentage of over 60%. Back in 1980 the personal computer was a very rare appliance and never used in calculating key statistical information toward beating the Las Vegas line. Here was a situation where the bettors using new technology was going up against a lines maker who had no such instrument in calculating the point spread and thus were getting beat and beaten pretty bad to a tune of over 110 million dollars in 1 year. The Computer Group were placing bets through illegal bookmakers across the country and now enter Billy Walters who placed them in 1983 for the group in Las Vegas Sportsbooks. Billy worked placing bets for the Computer Group in Las Vegas and in return he was allowed to use the information for himself and place wagers on the games with his own money. Billy went from being broke to being rich in 1 year’s time.
In 1984 Billy was promoted by the Group to move the entire bankroll for the Group and worked on a percentage of winnings. Billy hired a workforce in Las Vegas whose role was to place bets at sports books for the Group and each employee earned $700 per week. It has been reported that the Computer Group would wager upwards of 4.5 million dollars per week in College Basketball. Billy claims to have bet $500,000 a week of his own money using information from computers. Billy’s computer programmers would calculate the proper point spread of a game and when his line was in variance with the lines maker by 1 ½ points over more he would pound the game. The higher the line variance the more he pounded the game. Linesmakers at the time were not very sophisticated and were in over their heads against the early “computer boys” as they were referred to.
Billy Walters left the Computer Group in 1986 alleging that one of its members cheated him out of $110,000. During Walters’s time with the Computer Group he had to survive a federal inquiry of bookmaking chargers. It was thought Billy was making his fortune bookmaking and not betting. So the Government finally admitted that Walters and the Computer Group were making their money betting on games and he was able to avoid long jail time.
Today Billy is still gambling and still has sophisticated computer programmers calculating point spreads for him so he can attack the sportsbooks. Billy claims to be a lifelong 57% winner on his sports bets. You can still hear one of Billy’s employees Alan Boston over Las Vegas radio during the College Basketball season and especially during March Madness. Often you will hear Allan Boston spar with fellow sports gamblers Steve Fezzik, John Kelly, Teddy Covers Sevransky, Tim Trushell, Jimmy Vaccarro or Brent Crow. But between the rift rafts you will get some solid information and a sports betting education from Allan. Alan Boston is good radio as he holds nothing back and has an outstanding approach to college basketball handicapping and one can see why Billy Walters hired Allan. Billy Walters now is a very successful golf course designer as he spent over $145 million dollars renovating 4 public golf courses in Las Vegas. That led to city deals for land and even more golf courses for Billy. Today he is locked in a battle with the Nevada Attorney General over these deals the Las Vegas City Council made with him. You see Billy is very friendly with the mayor and the local politicians and the Attorney General wants to investigate if Billy was “tipping his dealers” in return for his sweetheart deals with the city.
 
CapTwo said:
phil ivey as in the poker player?

i know hes a big degenerate, but i thought he was mostly golf/poker

didnt even know he dabbled into handicapping.... and even if he did wouldnt think he would be getting enough respect to move lines himself.
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shocked by this as well
 
Just for the record, when someone asks on Thursday 'How did Bob do?' you can tell them:

Plays were 2-3 with losses on Tennessee, Georgia Tech, and a tough one on Mississippi. Wins were Utah State and California. On a star basis it would be -2.8 stars. Bad week.

Opinions were 3-3. Also losing, provided you have to pay a vig.
 
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