Big 12 Championship - Discussion

Frank Costanza

Frank Costanza

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Figured I'd go ahead and get discussion started on this game with probably the biggest issue surrounding it - Ehlinger's health. His throwing shoulder clearly isn't right. He came into Friday having thrown 300 +/- passes without a pick - pretty much the model of accuracy. He threw 2 picks Friday, 2 more that should have been intercepted and missed badly on other throws. It could well be that he's just going to need the offseason for the shoulder to completely heal. It certainly doesn't help that he's just not going to stop playing QB with a LB mentality - certainly doesn't help the issue.

Texas obviously goes as Ehlinger goes, and right now he's not 100%. Just something to keep in mind if you're looking at this game.
 
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Certainly can't look at this game without pointing out how outstanding Herman is as a dog at Houston and Texas - 12-1 ATS and won 9 of the games outright. When Herman was an OC at Ohio State and they were dogs, OSU was 6-0.

Listening to the presser earlier today, I like what I am hearing. The nation-wide talk is whether OU will be in the Final Four, after they win Saturday. Just exactly what Herman is eating up.

I really, really wish I had more confidence in Ehlinger's health as I would be all over this game.
 
as a Sooner fan i am very unbiased and objective about this LOL

seriously, though, i do not trust our D at all but i know our O will move up and down that field just like they did in the Cotton Bowl.

if texas looks anything on O like they did vs iowa state and kansas, it plays into our D strengths because everything will be right in front of them and that's when they excel (which is rarely).

if ehlinger still has the bum shoulder, i see us loading 8 in the box and daring texas to beat us through the air and we take our chances.
 
If OU are gonna play 8 in the box they might as well just go all in and play 11 ITB, not like those safeties are covering anything anytime soon

That said I refuse to play on a team that upset said other team earlier in the season
 
I said earlier on another thread that Texas should just run the ball every play and run over Oklahoma, make long drives, and keep the Oklahoma offense on the pine.

Texas ran over OU last time--especially on carries by Ehlinger--and I see no improvement on the OU run defense since then.

W Virginia averaged over 5 YPC and that included half a dozen or more goal line runs when they only had a yard or two to go. On that one goal line play--I think it was fourth an goal from the one--Grier ran a sneak and they put some big guys in the backfield with him to push him and every OU D-lineman and LB who were in the scrum got pancaked and were flat on their backs as Grier scored.

The one problem is if Ehlinger's shoulder is as bad as they say Texas may not want to run him as much as they did in the first game.

OU's offense is playing better than any O in the country and the O-line is playing the best they have all year, but they had Anderson the first time around with Sermon and Sutton backing him up and now all three RBs are on the sideline.
 
majent said:
as a Sooner fan i am very unbiased and objective about this LOL

seriously, though, i do not trust our D at all but i know our O will move up and down that field just like they did in the Cotton Bowl.

if texas looks anything on O like they did vs iowa state and kansas, it plays into our D strengths because everything will be right in front of them and that's when they excel (which is rarely).

if ehlinger still has the bum shoulder, i see us loading 8 in the box and daring texas to beat us through the air and we take our chances.
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Fair assessment of things. I fully expect, shockingly, to see Murray take the team up and down the field. Under normal circumstances I think we'd be able to throw all over the OU defense and go point for point. But the injury / accuracy issue renders that null and void. If you watched the game against Kansas, on his first drive Ehlinger was really sharp. But in drives 2 and 3 he went back to LB mode, started running, and running into KU players, and his shoulder was never the same. We'll see how much a week+ does for him. Fingers are crossed that the rest will help (me, not you).
 
TahoeLegend said:
I said earlier on another thread that Texas should just run the ball every play and run over Oklahoma, make long drives, and keep the Oklahoma offense on the pine.

Texas ran over OU last time--especially on carries by Ehlinger--and I see no improvement on the OU run defense since then.

W Virginia averaged over 5 YPC and that included half a dozen or more goal line runs when they only had a yard or two to go. On that one goal line play--I think it was fourth an goal from the one--Grier ran a sneak and they put some big guys in the backfield with him to push him and every OU D-lineman and LB who were in the scrum got pancaked and were flat on their backs as Grier scored.

The one problem is if Ehlinger's shoulder is as bad as they say Texas may not want to run him as much as they did in the first game.

OU's offense is playing better than any O in the country and the O-line is playing the best they have all year, but they had Anderson the first time around with Sermon and Sutton backing him up and now all three RBs are on the sideline.
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watching WVA move the ball for 700 yds against OUr D was extremely painful
 
majent said:
it will be very strange to see OU and tex-ASS play at Jerry's World instead of the cotton bowl
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No kidding. I've been fortunate enough to attend the last 27 in a row at Fair Park. Won't be the same w/o the buses coming in, the wax cups, the Tunnel, etc.

It should be an incredible atmosphere. Just wish it wasn't at 11 AM.
 
Buy fair tickets early ... go to back of ticket line and sell at a premium to the people that didn't want to wait ... ahhhh

All the fried food ... destroyed hammered before the game started ....

Good times.

Was usually pretty cold when I went .. really wet and cold one year (don't want to discuss that outcome). I went a bunch of times and I don't think I ever saw one of the Texas wins, now that I think about it.
 
Also, got an understanding of why Sooners are so stupid. After 3.5 hours of hearing boomer sooner, I felt dumber. I can only imagine what a lifetime of hearing that does to a human.
 
RetroVK said:
Buy fair tickets early ... go to back of ticket line and sell at a premium to the people that didn't want to wait ... ahhhh

All the fried food ... destroyed hammered before the game started ....

Good times.

Was usually pretty cold when I went .. really wet and cold one year (don't want to discuss that outcome). I went a bunch of times and I don't think I ever saw one of the Texas wins, now that I think about it.
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was that 1988 when OU won 28-13 or you talking 1984 when it was a tie?
 
2000 was cold and rainy in the 40's. It was also 63-14. One of four Black Saturdays under Brown's watch. 50+ point beatdowns by OU. He'll never lose that stain, and justifiably so for a coach that treated a game against your biggest rival like a picnic in the park.

Fucking clown.
 
I just saw the following on Pointwise and it's fairly jaw-dropping: OU has 3,321 yards in its last 5 games, 664 ypg.

Knew their #s were big, but not quite that.
 
RetroVK said:
Buy fair tickets early ... go to back of ticket line and sell at a premium to the people that didn't want to wait ... ahhhh

All the fried food ... destroyed hammered before the game started ....

Good times.

Was usually pretty cold when I went .. really wet and cold one year (don't want to discuss that outcome). I went a bunch of times and I don't think I ever saw one of the Texas wins, now that I think about it.
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When my wife and I got married her family would go to the fair on the Saturday of the game. I brought up the game and the fact of there being that many more people at the venue. Their take was the place emptied out because most would go to the game.
Having done it a couple of times, I'm still not sold on that logic.
I'm not a fan of the Grand Ave area anyway.
 
RetroVK said:
Buy fair tickets early ... go to back of ticket line and sell at a premium to the people that didn't want to wait ... ahhhh

All the fried food ... destroyed hammered before the game started ....

Good times.

Was usually pretty cold when I went .. really wet and cold one year (don't want to discuss that outcome). I went a bunch of times and I don't think I ever saw one of the Texas wins, now that I think about it.
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If that is the case, could you please attend this year?
 
Joe Cook@josephcook89

Herman says Ehlinger’s shoulder is “not great, but it hasn’t been since the Baylor game.”

“It’s a pain tolerance thing, and if it’s a pain tolerance thing my money is on Sam Ehlinger. He’s going to be fine for the game, but it’s definitely something that bothers him.”
 
Frank Costanza said:
2000 was cold and rainy in the 40's. It was also 63-14. One of four Black Saturdays under Brown's watch. 50+ point beatdowns by OU. He'll never lose that stain, and justifiably so for a coach that treated a game against your biggest rival like a picnic in the park.

Fucking clown.
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2001 and 2003 were the beatdown games. Best not talk about it. 2001 was the freezing rain game and it was just a demolition from the first whistle. I was there for both but also for 2009 when Shipley stole Sooner hearts. And 2005 for the Ramonce Taylor spin move 80 yard TD run. And a few of Mack and Charlie’s unlikely triumphs despite being at the end of their coaching ropes.

This game has the feel of a possible one sided win either way but it’s hard to overlook the team with the better D (relatively...both have weaknesses) and Herman’s record as a dog. Texas and OU haven’t played each other twice in the same season since 1903. Uncharted territory and the septic vanity of Jerry World wont be anything like the Cotton Bowl which is a raw hunk of aging stone and metal that equates to a cauldron of emotion.

I am flying up early Saturday for the game and will likely lay off the side and play the under that @RetroVK is rightly on.

I think it hits around 70-72 in a 38-34 type game. Or 48-24 preferably to the burnt orange side. I am emotionally prepared for any outcome. Just happy Texas is back in contention after wandering the college football desert for the last 9 years. I’m fucking thirsty.
 
2000 63-14
2003 65-13

2000 was miserable - cold, in the 40s, rainy and a disemboweling.

2001 was a sunny, cool, windy day. Just a few weeks after 9/11, surreal - three levels of security to get into the Bowl that day. Roy Williams went apeshit over Brett Robin in the 4th quarter to force the pick and give OU the 14-3 win.

2008 was the Shipley year, 1st year of the Cotton Bowl expansion. Incredibly good game.
 
Lincoln Riley was notified by the conference that they would be penalized if caught flashing "Horns Down" :rofl:
 
Exhibit 97 in how ridiculously biased the big 12 is towards Texas. Go look up the kansas kick return from last week for exhibit 98.
 
KJ said:
Lincoln Riley was notified by the conference that they would be penalized if caught flashing "Horns Down" :rofl:
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Yeah, I heard this. Ridiculous and pathetic, and most of you know where I went to school.

I'm for anything that adds more venom to this rivalry.
 
y'all should head to Denton on Friday, while in town.
Trinity vs. Southlake
Apogee Stadium
Seats 30,000 might hold everyone

Scout a quarterback somewhere.
Not sure what Herman has recruited.
You could probably go defense , run the wishbone and win the conf.
 
pressitup said:
y'all should head to Denton on Friday, while in town.
Trinity vs. Southlake
Apogee Stadium
Seats 30,000 might hold everyone

Scout a quarterback somewhere.
Not sure what Herman has recruited.
You could probably go defense , run the wishbone and win the conf.
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Katy and North Shore tomorrow night going to be lit at NRG wish I was going
 
KJ said:
I'm just curious who even drove this effort, like what the point even was
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I don't know. Multiple bodies with their panties in a wad.

I like the fact that we've got a (almost) universally-recognized hand symbol, so much so that other teams / fans choose to take it to a different level. On a related note, I learned the hard way that the Hook 'Em sign doesn't work so well when you're touring the Vatican and adjacent area.
 
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aplous said:
Katy and North Shore tomorrow night going to be lit at NRG wish I was going
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Yeah Jerruh having all this college games last two weekends.
Doesn't he know that stadium is for high school games? His team plays like it sometimes.

We do get state games here this year
 
Frank Costanza said:
I don't know. Multiple bodies with their panties in a wad.

I like the fact that we've got a (almost) universally-recognized hand symbol, so much so that other teams / fans choose to take it to a different level. On a related note, I learned the hard way that the Hook 'Em sign doesn't work so well when you're touring the Vatican and adjacent area.
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Works good at a Metallica concert
 
Saw this on Facebook and got a chuckle. Thought I would pass it along.


New anti-taunting rules for the Big 12:

1. Players cannot throw the horns down sign. That's mean and makes Coach Herman sad. Also, all players, regardless of their team, are not allowed to refuse a congratulatory man-kiss from Coach Herman for the same reason.

2. Players cannot refer to OU as Gooners, Chokelahoma, Land Thieves or any other similar term. That's mean. Also, the mascots, Boomer and Sooner, are not horse-pigs. Any such reference will result in a free touch down.

3. OSU cannot be referred to as Pukes, Gaggies, Little Brother, or Booger Pickens U. Way too mean. Also, Mike Gundy must trim his aggressive hair before every game, or forfeit his right to dance in the locker room.

4. Iowa State must remove the bird from the middle of the Cyclone logo. Not all birds identify as cyclones. However, for those that do, this rule is an exception so as not to offend the pan-bird-cyclone group.

5. Baylor may no longer use the bear claw gesture. That's scary.

6. Texas Tech may no longer use that pistols/guns up gesture. OSU does that, so it's not fair. Also, no more throwing tortillas. That's dangerous, and could poke someone's eye out. Also, tortillas don't grow in trees.

7. Kansas State is in the clear. Nothing interesting going on there.

8. Kansas, see rule #7.

9. TCU must change their mascot to just "Frogs" or something else completely child friendly. The addition of "Horned" is just too sexy and risque.

10. Finally, the mascot for West Virginia can no longer wear a raccoon or beaver hat, whatever that thing is on his head. Animals are people too! A construction hat with a beer bong attached is more appropriate (with non-alcoholic beer of course).
 
This is one of my favorite games every year. Never been but would love to sometime. Excited we get a rematch this year.
 
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