AFC Second Round Discussion Thread

And throwing Wilson on the list may have been harsh but keeping him off just highlights the point that much more.
 
RetroRetrovk said:
I think they would do well but would they win it all? That defense probably the second best (85 bears) that I can remember
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It's funny in that in middle Iowa before cable and satellite we got Bears football rammed down our throats so I watched a ton of that 1985 team on CBS. I really don't know how to compare teams 15 years apart, that's a full generation. I enjoyed watching the 2000 Ravens and I think I owned them in a fantasy league but the ball hawking was insane. Was so much easier in 2000 to watch a team than the mid-80s and obviously a different game, but that team got me loving hard hitting football as opposed to video game football.
 
KJ said:
Shorting is what interests me the most about this whole thing

The apps that do this and cater to daily fantasy stuff are all over the place and daily fantasy is illegal in AZ so Underdog is fighting to stay alive here. If they fail so will Prizepicks, Chalkboard, Perplexity, etc. But these joints that are doing broad futures on an exchange market don't seem to be under scrutiny. Even if a no at 97 cents is virtually guaranteed, it's got my attention and quite the spin on sports wagering.

Using L2KA fading Steez for example. If it was 98 cents to bet no on the Steez to win the SB, so $9800 yields a $200 gain, it's fair to compare that to whatever books offered on that bet if any did so. Kinda where I was going with all of this.

I mean on Kalshi you can bet on whether a word will or won't be said in an interview lol
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I think you meant fading Houston.

I'm glad you mentioned the topic. I think is very interesting and I'm intrigued.
 
Loves2kickass said:
I think you meant fading Houston.

I'm glad you mentioned the topic. I think is very interesting and I'm intrigued.
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Naw you mentioned betting your personal wealth on the Steelers not winning the Super Bowl and I'm quite certain that was available on Kalshi but likely at a cent. I don't know who's taking that but it is an exchange market and have no clue the limitations and fees.
 
RetroRetrovk said:
I dunno ... in recent history it seems to be a VERY large indicator of super bowl success.

You have a couple of bad QBs in there like Foles, Hurts, Brad Johnson, Russell Wilson, and Joe Flacco ... that is since 2001. I mean, the QB means a lot. Even the nineties you had Dilfer, Hostetler and Rypien where they were definitely not very good ... eighties McMahon, and Doug Williams... Not many wins for non-elite QBs the last 50 plus years.
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I’ve used it and it works sometimes

Just did it vs Jax w/Bills
 
KJ said:
Naw you mentioned betting your personal wealth on the Steelers not winning the Super Bowl and I'm quite certain that was available on Kalshi but likely at a cent. I don't know who's taking that but it is an exchange market and have no clue the limitations and fees.
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DOUBLEUP4LIFE said:
I would put my net worth on the STEELERS to NOT win the SB at anything less than -1000

Steelers win and it's divorce court 🙃
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It wasnt me KJ. The only team I've mentioned to fade in my Tiers thread was Houston Texans.
 
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RetroRetrovk said:
I dunno ... in recent history it seems to be a VERY large indicator of super bowl success.

You have a couple of bad QBs in there like Foles, Hurts, Brad Johnson, Russell Wilson, and Joe Flacco ... that is since 2001. I mean, the QB means a lot. Even the nineties you had Dilfer, Hostetler and Rypien where they were definitely not very good ... eighties McMahon, and Doug Williams... Not many wins for non-elite QBs the last 50 plus years.
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What's "it?" I'm saying that games aren't just quarterbacks squaring off against each other. Now you're saying that you need a good quarterback. I don't disagree with you -- having a good quarterback is important. But there's also a matter of offensive coordinator, pass protection, wide receivers, defense, etc. It's not just pitchers dealing their stuff and seeing who's better. The Eagles surely did not win the Super Bowl because Hurts is better than Mahomes - Mahomes is undoubtedly better, but the game result didn't come close to reflecting that.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
What's "it?" I'm saying that games aren't just quarterbacks squaring off against each other. Now you're saying that you need a good quarterback. I don't disagree with you -- having a good quarterback is important. But there's also a matter of offensive coordinator, pass protection, wide receivers, defense, etc. It's not just pitchers dealing their stuff and seeing who's better. The Eagles surely did not win the Super Bowl because Hurts is better than Mahomes - Mahomes is undoubtedly better, but the game result didn't come close to reflecting that.
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Sometimes you say the QB names out loud and say “Will this guy lose?”

Houston vs Pitt is a great example
Texans win and the WB was a huge liability going vs a HOF. I had Houston.
I’m just saying it makes sense and it’s not an analysis by paralysis kinda play 🤘🏻
 
twinkie13 said:
Sometimes you say the QB names out loud and say “Will this guy lose?”

Houston vs Pitt is a great example
Texans win and the WB was a huge liability going vs a HOF. I had Houston.
I’m just saying it makes sense and it’s not an analysis by paralysis kinda play 🤘🏻
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Are you advocating for the NASCAR system where we just call them by number?

I could get on board with this
 
KJ said:
Do you disagree that often it's been him failing in the spotlight he's paid handsomely for though? Others have succeeded in match moments on that stage and he hasn't. Not sure it's so much a knock but more an observation and I think many people would be cool if he gets passed it.

Hell it's not even the Super Bowl, it's just getting through the AFC first.
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I would totally & unequivocally disagree that he's failed in the spotlight. In fact, he's excelled for the most part.
 
Really bummed Nico is out. I'd probably have a play on them already. I also think CJ doesn't shit his pants this weekend, despite everyone thinking he will. I have zero evidence for that, lol, but that's what I'm seeing.
 
KJ said:
I appreciate the different perspective. Obviously I disagree.
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Not sure how anyone can objectively say he's failed. These are his playoff game stats;
  • Games: 13
  • Record: 7-6
  • Pass Attempts: 460
  • Pass Completions: 302
  • Completion Percentage: 65.7%
  • Passing Yards: 3,359
  • Passing TDs: 25
  • Interceptions: 4
  • Sacks: 28
  • Carries: 112
  • Rushing Yards: 668
  • Rushing TDs: 7
 
dg84 said:
Not sure how anyone can objectively say he's failed. These are his playoff game stats;
  • Games: 13
  • Record: 7-6
  • Pass Attempts: 460
  • Pass Completions: 302
  • Completion Percentage: 65.7%
  • Passing Yards: 3,359
  • Passing TDs: 25
  • Interceptions: 4
  • Sacks: 28
  • Carries: 112
  • Rushing Yards: 668
  • Rushing TDs: 7
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If he had a better defense, people would think way more highly of him even though he doesn‘t play defense. It‘s hard to do more to win games than those stats, but it‘s just one player in an NFL game
 
VirginiaCavs said:
If he had a better defense, people would think way more highly of him even though he doesn‘t play defense. It‘s hard to do more to win games than those stats, but it‘s just one player in an NFL game
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Couple key plays in key situations. Christ sakes I like the guy, spending seconds of my life doing this isn't fun. Not sure how it went down this rabbit hole. He's had moments many never get and he hasn't delivered. Why is that controversial?
 
KJ said:
Couple key plays in key situations. Christ sakes I like the guy, spending seconds of my life doing this isn't fun. Not sure how it went down this rabbit hole. He's had moments many never get and he hasn't delivered. Why is that controversial?
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Because no quarterback delivers in every crucial moment and Allen‘s performances are pretty uniquely awesome but certain quarterbacks disproportionally get called great (greater than Allen) because they have supports (head coach, defense, etc.) that Allen doesn‘t which is not Allen‘s fault
 
VirginiaCavs said:
Because no quarterback delivers in every crucial moment and Allen‘s performances are pretty uniquely awesome but certain quarterbacks disproportionally get called great (greater than Allen) because they have supports (head coach, defense, etc.) that Allen doesn‘t which is not Allen‘s fault
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That's not true unless you hate history and actualy moments
 
KJ said:
That's not true unless you hate history and actualy moments
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For starter’s threre’s a reason coaches draw up their best play for the most important moment, the opposing coach calls timeout after seeing it, etc,. It‘s a coaches chess match. Quarterbacks are very important but they‘re also just a single cog in the machine. As for Allen, the obvious example is when he had Buffalo 13 seconds from the Super Bowl. He deserves every adulation for that because it‘s not at all his fault that his team didn‘t win
 
VirginiaCavs said:
For starter’s threre’s a reason coaches draw up their best play for the most important moment, the opposing coach calls timeout after seeing it, etc,. It‘s a coaches chess match. Quarterbacks are very important but they‘re also just a single cog in the machine. As for Allen, the obvious example is when he had Buffalo 13 seconds from the Super Bowl. He deserves every adulation for that because it‘s not at all his fault that his team didn‘t win
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Mate I just woke up after a hard night crash
Was trying to engage

Want to knock a couple teef out and say Fuck United at the 5:30am punt an just tyring to make it
 
also one tidbit I noticed from a few weeks ago, and it came from Collinsworth during a broadcast so FWIW, said that Sean Payton been using real game situations to purposefully put Bo Nix in certain situations as a means to coach him up/see how he responds to having to struggle in games. anyway on paper these Broncos games might not be as straightforward as they seem; especially w the comeback culture they've cultivated, may not be as organic as it seems. Anyway we may never know, the game is still yet to be played, this is why they play the games, etc, all that shit..
 
austinhous said:
L2 seasons dogs catching less than 7 vs denver, full games went 8-1-1 ou and the one loss was by the hook. Also - this only happened four times this season, but L5 seasons when you score 3+ TDs on the broncos the games went 24-3 ou
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as someone on the Under, this does not make me feel good
 
jimmymo said:
FWIW, I think Stroud balls today and Houston wins.......gut feeling and going with it
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Agreed. Already been on houston but just added stroud ov 211.5 passing. If this your line of thinking check out Hutchison ov 30.5 rec, both games Nico been out this year he has pretty much slid into the Nico spot and had 5 catches both games going for 69 and 84.,
 
Cj continues to kill his own team 😂😂😂

This really should have been the bills year in the AFC , but they always find a new way to choke 🤬🙃😂😂😂
 
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