why would Detroit make that trade???

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just got home from class and this is the first i heard of this..i know there is a thread but dont feel like reading through it all...det fans cant be happy can they??i mean you give up your core iverson..maybe 5 years ago..iverson is a good ball player still i understand that but he doesnt fit in at all in detroit..i gotta tell ya im more happy with my cle bet to win division..i think det is a great fade their next game..that chemistry will be so screwed up with iverson instead of billups
 
If Detroit needed one thing what was it? Someone that can score at will...







At least...they need it in NBA 2k9
 
I think it's a great trade for Detroit. Why? 2 reasons...

1) Gives them a crunch time go to guy
2) Gives them A LOT of cap space sooner in case it doesn't pan out.

Iverson is off the books sooner than Billups/McNugget are. Dumars clearly thinks it's less risk to have Iverson on board and declining for less time than Billups/McNugget.
 
last thing i wanted was 4 more years of billups's fat ass contract. love the trade, iverson is a one and done. He will keep us competitive and entertaining to watch, but this move clears up a lot of cap room for the future.
 
Shitty thing about the NBA is that when it comes to trade the players themselves have very little to do with it
 
Explaination at hoopshype is Dumars thinks Stuckey is almost ready to be the starting point guard. Billipups had 4 more years on his contract. Next year 35 million comes off the cap and they create a young team.
 
35 million for the spending spree that is 09 and mostly 10

Boy Bosh is gonna look good here.
 
Boozer BAR

and that will be nice too..although I would say South Beach is where he ends up.

Just creates opportunities for sign and trades and whatnot.

An absolute genius move by Joe D.

He has had a few bad draft picks(Rodney White, Mateen Cleaves) but is a master at trades. I don;t count Darko as bad. We never win a ship w/o Wallace and with Anthony and that Darko trade netted us Stuckey.
 
Then he retires...

They knew the scenario going in.

Then he's going to have to retire, because I trust this source alot more than some ESPN guy.


There was talk the Nuggets might buy out the remainder of McDyess' contract and he could eventually return to the Pistons, but Rex Chapman, Denver's vice president of player personnel, said McDyess would stay with the team. It would mark McDyess' third tenure with the Nuggets.
 
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Joe Dumars had the chance to consider Dallas’ Jason Kidd and his expiring contract over the summer, a league executive said Monday, but the Detroit Pistons president had bigger, bolder ideas. Allen Iverson still gives the Pistons a puncher’s chance in the Eastern Conference this season, but this trade isn’t about him. It isn’t about Chauncey Billups.
Think bigger.
Think bolder.
Think LeBron James, 2010.
The Pistons president doesn’t just have the salary cap space for the Cleveland Cavaliers star. He also has the connections and the championship credibility. Make no mistake: Detroit and Dumars are officially in hot pursuit of James – maybe even the favorite now – and it promises to be a long, agonizing two years for the Cavaliers.
Detroit doesn’t deliver the bright lights and global metropolis destination that James wants when he opts out of his contract in 2010, but two more years of watching Kobe Bryant win titles could transform his priorities. James wants badly to be considered the best player on the planet and that won’t happen until he’s a champion.
James wants a front office with a vision that honors his greatness, and make no mistake: This makes Detroit and Dumars so dangerous, makes them Cleveland’s worst nightmare. The city could justify losing its prodigal son to New York or Los Angeles, but nearby Detroit?


Cleveland would never recover.
So why Iverson over a possible package for Kidd? Several league executives know exactly why: The trade with Denver to make an unhappy Iverson happier just further imbeds the Detroit franchise deeper into James’ agent, Leon Rose, and advisor, William Wesley. Just as they represent James, they rep Iverson.
And as much as anyone, “World Wide” Wes is one of the most important voices in Lebron’s life. Wesley lives in Detroit, where one of Rose’s clients, Richard Hamilton, is a Pistons star. What’s more, Dumars is close to an agreement with Hamilton on a two-year extension that will keep him through 2012, sources say. This is a terrific show of faith for Hamilton, who is trying to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars that a business manager allegedly stole from him.
Wesley comes and goes at the Palace of Auburn Hills as he pleases, and few have such a window into the winning culture of the Pistons.
As one rival GM said Monday, “Damn it, I am afraid Joe has this whole thing wired. He’s got everything in place to pull this off.”
The New Jersey Nets’ move to Brooklyn is falling apart, and so is owner Bruce Ratner’s chances of using limited partner, Jay-Z, to lure James. The Knicks will be a factor, but the bumbling of the Stephon Marbury mess has reflected horribly on the organization. The Knicks have an owner, GM and coach with differing agendas and they’ve made an initial poor impression. Detroit can’t compete with New York as the global city to market James, but winning could take care of everything.
With Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni as GM and coach, the Knicks can still get their act together. Yet, no one will ever need to ask that of Dumars. No one else can sell James on a winning culture as compellingly as Dumars. He had gone as far as he could with Billups, who has three years and $36 million left on his contract. Billups gave the Pistons a slight edge over Iverson to make another run this season, but Dumars had already gotten a final run out of him a year ago. Detroit won a title, reached a Game 7 of the NBA Finals and six straight Eastern Conference finals with Billups.
Now, Billups is 32 years old. He’s declining. This is a low-risk, short-term, high-reward, long-term play for Dumars.
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The Pistons president believes that the young guard Rodney Stuckey, a brilliant pick out of Eastern Washington, can take over the Pistons next year. Iverson and Rasheed Wallace could leave the payroll this summer, and the Pistons will be $22 million under the salary cap in 2009. They will have a core of Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Stuckey, Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson in 2010. No one else among James’ serious suitors with cap space has two All-Stars (Hamilton and Prince) and a potential third (Stuckey) for him to join.
Most of all, James knows he’d have Dumars to give him the right coach, the right teammates, the right atmosphere to chase championships for a long, long time. What makes this plan so ingenious is that the bridge from Iverson to Stuckey, from Wallace to Maxiell, makes it possible for the Pistons to reconstruct themselves without bottoming out. They’ll still be a 50-win team. Dumars hates the idea of rebuilding through the lottery, and that won’t need to happen here. He won’t be offering James a heap of ashes in 2010, but a good team needing him to complete its greatness.
For the flawed franchises falling over themselves to get under the salary cap for 2010, the most ingenious plan promises to start out of the NBA’s brightest executive mind. Joe Dumars is thinking big. He’s thinking bold. This will be an agonizing two years in Cleveland.
 
Then he's going to have to retire, because I trust this source alot more than some ESPN guy.


There was talk the Nuggets might buy out the remainder of McDyess' contract and he could eventually return to the Pistons, but Rex Chapman, Denver's vice president of player personnel, said McDyess would stay with the team. It would mark McDyess' third tenure with the Nuggets.

Soooooo, they'd rather keep a guy on the team that has publicly said he doesn't want to be there and pay his entire salary instead of negotiating a buy-out to save the organization some money (and maybe a headache or two) and make him a FA?

Rex Chapman was one of my all-time favorite CBB players to watch growing up. I would hope as a VP of player personnel he's a little more savvy than that.
 
Soooooo, they'd rather keep a guy on the team that has publicly said he doesn't want to be there and pay his entire salary instead of negotiating a buy-out to save the organization some money (and maybe a headache or two) and make him a FA?

Rex Chapman was one of my all-time favorite CBB players to watch growing up. I would hope as a VP of player personnel he's a little more savvy than that.

Sure I'd hope that if he doesn't want to play there, and the Pistons want him back, that they could agree to just waive him. I hate when teams hold players hostage (Wolves and Antoine rings a bell). I'd also hope that this has been talked about between the agents and teams before the trade was actually made. It's just odd that Chapman would say that if something has already been worked out. This trade couldn't have been thrown together today and all. Being that they aren't in the same conference I'm sure it'll get worked out easy enough.
 
Sure I'd hope that if he doesn't want to play there, and the Pistons want him back, that they could agree to just waive him. I hate when teams hold players hostage (Wolves and Antoine rings a bell). I'd also hope that this has been talked about between the agents and teams before the trade was actually made. It's just odd that Chapman would say that if something has already been worked out. This trade couldn't have been thrown together today and all. Being that they aren't in the same conference I'm sure it'll get worked out easy enough.

BINGO...just thought the same thing after I made that last post...
 
Pistons weren't winning anything with Billups.

They will still be the about the same......understand your not good enough to win it all cut your losses and clear cap space. When teams usually do that they take a step back with Iverson there still in the same position. So the little chance they had of winning the title this year they still have and if they don't they now have the ability to retool with cap space.

----Iverson is not a downgrade because Detroit lacks guys who can make one on one plays. Prince, Hamilton you don't clear out a side for them they need to be coming off screens and picks and float in the lane. Billups is a leader, a great player who had great chemistry with those other guys but Stuckey should fill the void and they add an Iverson who brings a new dynamic to Detroit, a team whose offense needs it.

----For NUGGETS, this trade couldn't have been better as Nuggets had too many shooters and no point guard to slow things down and manage the game and stop the bleeding and lead them. Billups passing/shot attempts per game, his overall game, wow, what a great fit.

---A great trade for both GM's.
 
I like trade for both teams. AI wasnt going to win in Denver and he wants to win more than anybody else in NBA right now. His window is closing and he needs to play well in Detroit/playofffs to show someone he can still ball at his age and get bank in what will probably be his last contract signing this summer.

Denver needed a pg bad. AI isnt that. He's a scorer. This is good for Denver. JR can score at will.

Billups
JR
Melo
Martin
Nene

not bad for a 6/7/8 and a 1R exit...
 
Joe might not wait for free agency.

ric (Detroit, MI): So looks like the Pistons are going to have some cap room to play with... I realize we aren't getting LeBron or Wade, but do you think we have a shot at Bosh, Amare or Joe Johnson?

John Hollinger: (4:28 PM ET ) I think you're looking at the wrong summer. Dumars didnt' make this trade so he could sit on his hands for two years waiting on cap space. He's gonna go after somebody this summer, whether via free agency or trade. Unless, that is, he can use Iverson as a chip to do it sooner -- I believe he's trade-eligible two weeks prior to the deadline.
 
Your right brewer, both teams needed a change for this year...AI got demoted from captain....

T-dot...I respect Hollinger a lot..but thats a lot of speculation 90 minutes after trade became official.
 
Iverson deal a risk for Pistons? Dumars has his reasons

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"Make no mistake, everybody is in play right now," Dumars said then. "There are no sacred cows here. You lose that sacred cow status when you lose three straight years."
After a summer of trade rumors, including a reported attempt to acquire Denver Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, Dumars had to explain himself in training camp when the Pistons failed to make a deal.
But one week into the season, Dumars pulled the trigger on a deal with the Nuggets. On Monday, the Pistons decided to take the Nuggets' second-best player, agreeing to a swap of Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess for Denver's Allen Iverson.
The move is stunning for several reasons.
One, Dumars' original strategy was to package a couple of the Pistons' core players for a young, emerging star. But Iverson is 33 years old. While he's still an excellent scorer, his best years are behind him.
Two, it appeared the Pistons weren't interested in a deal that would essentially just clear cap space. But with Iverson hitting free agency this summer, that's exactly what this deal appears to be.
So what's going on in Detroit?
Whatever you want to say about Joe Dumars, the guy isn't afraid to take risks. Some of them, like drafting Darko Milicic, a little-known 17-year-old, have backfired (though swapping Milicic for the right to draft Rodney Stuckey has mitigated that decision). But most of the time, Dumars has shown the Midas touch in making risky moves. Whether it's making trades for Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace, drafting Tayshaun Prince, signing Billups to a big deal or letting Ben Wallace go, Dumars has proven he knows what he's doing.
My conversation with Dumars on Monday revealed at least four key factors in this latest gambit:
First, he has always been a fan of Iverson. In the summer of 2000, the Pistons made an aggressive move to acquire Iverson in a whopping, 14-player deal. At the last second, the deal was scuttled when Matt Geiger refused to waive his trade kicker.
At the time, Iverson was in his prime, just months away from winning the NBA MVP award. These days, Iverson doesn't have the same speed or quickness, but he's still a devastating offensive force, averaging 26.4 points and 7.1 assists per game last season. Both of those numbers would have been team highs for the Pistons.
Iverson gives the Pistons more punch, especially at the end of games. While he's not the defender or distributor Billups is, he immediately steps in as the team's best scorer.
Dumars will welcome Iverson's fiery attitude as well -- the Pistons' boss had felt his team was too complacent.
All in all, the Pistons feel that with Iverson they will be just as competitive as they were with Billups.



Second, the emergence of Stuckey made Billups expendable. Dumars believes Stuckey is the point guard of the future in Detroit. Billups has four more years on his contract, and Dumars didn't want Stuckey playing a sixth man role that long.
While it's likely Iverson will start in the backcourt with Richard Hamilton this season, when Iverson hits free agency next year, Stuckey should take over as the starting point guard in Detroit.
Stuckey has proven to be an explosive scorer. His point guard skills are still in question, but the Pistons believe he'll be just fine with more experience. Many around the league see Stuckey as a young Baron Davis type of point guard. He had better be, because Dumars is showing extraordinary faith in him by making this move.
To a lesser extent, moving McDyess is also about providing opportunity for young players -- in particular, the emerging frontcourt of Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson. The Pistons are high on both players and want to know by the summer if they have what it takes to anchor the Pistons' inside game.
Third, trading Billups and McDyess for Iverson will clear significant salary cap space for the Pistons. If Dumars lets both Iverson and Detroit's other significant free agent, Rasheed Wallace, walk next summer, the team will be approximately $21-22 million under the cap.
The 2009 free-agent class has a number of interesting players the Pistons could pursue. Carlos Boozer can opt out of his contract and could prove to be a big upgrade at the power forward position. The Pistons could also pursue restricted free agents such as Marvin Williams and David Lee.
Or the Pistons could be patient and wait until the summer of 2010, when the star-studded free-agent class is expected to include LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, who might be Detroit's most realistic target.
Fourth, the Pistons have set a high standard in Detroit the past few years, and Dumars did not want to go through a long, messy rebuilding process.
Dumars should still have a very competitive team this season. With a core of Iverson, Hamilton, Stuckey, Prince and Wallace, the Pistons are still in the elite tier in the Eastern Conference.
Though the team may take a small step backward next year with both Iverson and Wallace potentially leaving, the development of Stuckey, Maxiell and Johnson should keep the Pistons very competitive. And in the next two years, if the Pistons can add a significant piece or two, they may well return to power in the East.
All that said, this trade presents significant risks for the Pistons.
First, they have to hope Iverson is able to mix well with his teammates and keep his focus on the Pistons' success, even though he knows he'll probably be in Detroit for only this season. If he begins fretting about his lack of an extension, it could be a major distraction in Detroit.
Second, Dumars is banking on Stuckey being the real deal. His talent is undeniable, but he has to become a star to justify the trade.
Third, the Pistons are still weak on their front line. By trade or free agency, Dumars needs to bring in a significant player to help down low with both scoring and defense. If he doesn't, Detroit will struggle to remain among the elite teams in the East.
Once again, Joe Dumars has made a major gamble. But if his track record means anything, we shouldn't bet against Joe D.


Since Ford mentions it, now I know Bosh isnt leaving Toronto for Detroit.
 
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