Who Do You Want in Draft?

brewer

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Mine is pretty simple. The biggest change in the 07 bears defense that dominated for the first half of the season and the team in the 2nd half into this (minus 1st half at SD) was that Mike Brown was out.

To play an effective cover 2 you need safety play. With Mike Brown down the run defense suffered greatly.

There are holes at a lot of places on this team. But i need that 1H of 07 D back. The one that was flying all around the place and making things happen.

For that to happen i have to put on the back burner the o-line and playmakers on offense.

Who i want for my Bears at #14 ...

S Kenny Phillips (From the U)

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LOL Brewer that who I want for the Packers at 30. If not him though ill take Fred Davis from USC. Should be a good weapon for Rogers
 
As a lions fan we are required to take a WR in the first round so mine as well be my boy Devin Thomas
 
I think Phillips will be there come the 14th pick with no problems, but I think the Bears need more help on the offensive side of the ball....

I believe most mocks have Jeff Otah for them, but if they don't get Otah, I'm sure Philly or someone else will right after them will... either way, I don't think they go for Phillips... they should go offense, probably lineman..

I doubt Phillips will be around come the 31st pick, but if he is, the G-Men will get him... they need to replace Gibril, but if they don't get him, I wouldn't mind having Mayo or maybe Connor so we can move Kiwi from LB back to the front line with Strahan, Tuck, and Osi where he belongs...

If we do end up with Phillips or maybe even a corner like Cason or Flowers, then we can go LB in the second round with hopefully someone like Adibi.
 
The bears have traded down in the past to get the player they wanted in 1R. Either way i want Phillips. We dont get him imma cry b/c or D will suck again. We all know Mike Brown cant give you a full season of football.
 
Phillips is sick nasty and I would love him as well but I doubt it the Bears draft him, along with any defensive player with their first pick. They will go O-line and maybe RB if Mendenhall is there which will prove to be a tough choice for them. All the team sources have pointed to this and it's hard to stray from it. I would love Mendenhall but even that is a pick I am skeptical about. Otah or Williams is the most likely pick.
 
The Bears have said they are very happy with the safety position minus Adam. They resigned McGowan who played great in his role, Manning is solid and has some great intangibles plus great speed, and Payne was solid as a rookie. The first two picks at least will most likely be offensive players.
 
I'd like to see the Titans draft a stud receiver. I'm leaning toward DeSean Jackson because he'd stretch the field thus making VY more lethal. He's also an amazing kick returner which the team needs badly.
 
Raiders fan here, hoping to get Mr Howie Long's son...McFadden if he's gone. Also, HUGE Hurricane fan (bleed orange and green, favorite team by far of all that I follow) and would love to see Pittsburgh grab him but they are looking at a big WR at this point...great fit with any team but would look really good in Chicago!
 
Renew, that thread was for general nfl draft talk. This thread is for who you want your team to draft.
 
So we are going to go into 2008 with everyone 2 years older on D than they where when we went to SB and expect greatness again Goop? That makes no sense. I mean, ya, a few players in our secondary are peaking (Vasher at the top of that list) but i just dont see it. You want to fix the o-line so badly b/c ...

I mean we have zero skilled players as is on offense outside of maybe the te spots. Sure lets upgrade the oline a tad there so Cedric can get 2.9 instead of 2.7. Yuck.

Id rather get a back in a later round.

I want a game changer at safety. Who could stop the other team te and play the run, get us some more great field position so our enemic offense can maybe get 3.
 
So we are going to go into 2008 with everyone 2 years older on D than they where when we went to SB and expect greatness again Goop? That makes no sense. I mean, ya, a few players in our secondary are peaking (Vasher at the top of that list) but i just dont see it. You want to fix the o-line so badly b/c ...

I mean we have zero skilled players as is on offense outside of maybe the te spots. Sure lets upgrade the oline a tad there so Cedric can get 2.9 instead of 2.7. Yuck.

Id rather get a back in a later round.

I want a game changer at safety. Who could stop the other team te and play the run, get us some more great field position so our enemic offense can maybe get 3.

I don't make sense? Two years brew. Two years? You're surely kidding me. Yes, for sure I expect "greatness" out of this defense that we have had and STILL have:

DE: Ogunleye, 30, Anderson, 24, Brown, 28.
DT: Harris, 24, Dvoracek, 25, Idonije, 27.
OLB: Briggs, 27, Hillenmeyer, 27, Williams, 23.
MLB: Urlacher, 29.
CB: Vasher, 26, Tillman, 27.
S: Brown, 30, Manning, 25, McGowan, 24, Payne 24. No need to include Arch.

Where is the old age? Brown and Ogunleye are a yes, but both positions have been addressed in the draft recently, last year and the year before in fact. This team won't be doing anything drastically with those positions, out of stubbornness some might say, fine, but still. They have talent at all the positions and have been bit by the injury bug BIG time. Some might say Brown is more than done and the bug has stayed with him which I might agree with but the switch to the other side should prove interesting at the least. They don't have any other options besides the idea of drafting someone but why with what they have? Four safeties without Arch? Come on now.

What do you mean peaking for Vasher? If you mean his best football is behind him, then I don't see it. He is 26 and played four games last year. Tillman and him have led the league together in picks over their career minus last year. If that's not what you mean, my bad.

And yes, I want this team to address the offensive line, the question is why you don't? Do you not feel it is a problem with this team or it is not important to have a good offensive line? If you want to talk about age so badly, then why not the offensive line? To ignore the need at offensive line is mind boggling to say the least and this team will not do it, I can guarantee you that. They had the oldest offensive line in the league last year and it showed. To be a top tier team, you need good line play. That was lacking. Sure Benson blew but so the line didn't help him, or Adrian, or little Wolfe. The whole city of Chicago jumped on Benson but the line was absolutely terrible and played bad on ALL fronts. Look at the moves the Bears have already made by cutting linemen. Does that not say anything to you? You surely must be kidding again to think that they won't address the line early in the draft. They didn't do it via free agency when everyone including myself thought they'd go after Faneca. To miss out again is something they cannot afford and they know it. I can see getting a back in later rounds but good offensive linemen are hard to find and this draft has some solid ones near the top, versatile ones that can play multiple positions which the Bears like. They will not pass that up.

Phillips is awesome, don't get me wrong. For as cool as it would be to see him come, I personally don't want the first pick to be used on ANOTHER defensive player. Tommie Harris reiterated the same thing today on the radio. He expects them to go offense in the first round. Didn't seem too informed but it's worth something.

This is a make or break draft for the Bears. It can set them up for a nice run where they might be able to get back to the SB and win or at least stay on top of the NFC. If they mess this draft up, the Bears will return to the cellar and Angelo will be thrown in the Chicago river.


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I just hope the management of the Bears keeps thinking like Brewer.
If those morons had half a brain they would assemble a presentable offense and start dominating. The Bears D was down last year because of injuries and repeatedly watching the offense SUCK TOTAL ASS. I would slack of on D too if my team went backwards at least every other series.
Keep drafting defense bears that way you will have the baddest 2nd and 3rd string defense ever. Brilliant!

As a Saints fan I would gladly trade for that inept aging defense you bears fans are stuck with. You dont need your defense to hold every team scoreless if you realize that offense is ALSO a part of football.
 
I just hope the management of the Bears keeps thinking like Brewer.
If those morons had half a brain they would assemble a presentable offense and start dominating. The Bears D was down last year because of injuries and repeatedly watching the offense SUCK TOTAL ASS. I would slack of on D too if my team went backwards at least every other series.
Keep drafting defense bears that way you will have the baddest 2nd and 3rd string defense ever. Brilliant!

As a Saints fan I would gladly trade for that inept aging defense you bears fans are stuck with. You dont need your defense to hold every team scoreless if you realize that offense is ALSO a part of football.

Yeah, the Saints and Bears really are complete opposites of the other.
 
I just hope the management of the Bears keeps thinking like Brewer.
If those morons had half a brain they would assemble a presentable offense and start dominating. The Bears D was down last year because of injuries and repeatedly watching the offense SUCK TOTAL ASS. I would slack of on D too if my team went backwards at least every other series.
Keep drafting defense bears that way you will have the baddest 2nd and 3rd string defense ever. Brilliant!

As a Saints fan I would gladly trade for that inept aging defense you bears fans are stuck with. You dont need your defense to hold every team scoreless if you realize that offense is ALSO a part of football.

We dont know how to draft anything but defense. Name the last offensive threat we drafted off the top of your head or offensive lineman ....

So all of sudden im suppose to expect Angelo to finally figure it out and find the offensive gems that are hidden in this draft rounds 1-7? It's not going to happen but its what he will surely try and fail at.

Cover 2 needs a playmaker at safety in both the backfield and at the line of scrimmage. The bears had that for the first half of 07 but then Mike Brown got hurt like he always does. We went into 08 counting on him once again he lasted not even 30 minutes.

I never said i wanted to address an entire defense that i feel is aging in some very important parts of the cover 2. safety, mlb, and de.

I want to draft a SAFETY not an ENTIRE DEFENSE. WHich I noted if you actually read my 1st post.
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We dont know how to draft anything but defense. Name the last offensive threat we drafted off the top of your head or offensive lineman ....

So all of sudden im suppose to expect Angelo to finally figure it out and find the offensive gems that are hidden in this draft rounds 1-7? It's not going to happen but its what he will surely try and fail at.

Cover 2 needs a playmaker at safety in both the backfield and at the line of scrimmage. The bears had that for the first half of 07 but then Mike Brown got hurt like he always does. We went into 08 counting on him once again he lasted not even 30 minutes.

I never said i wanted to address an entire defense that i feel is aging in some very important parts of the cover 2. safety, mlb, and de.

I want to draft a SAFETY not an ENTIRE DEFENSE. WHich I noted if you actually read my 1st post.
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While I am not a huge Angelo fan, to say he hasn't drafted ANYONE on the offensive side of the ball is false, end of story. Olsen looks like a keeper from last year's draft. Josh Beekman should be a guard of the future for this team. Hester is a given. Bradley will be in a critical year and has shown flashes of ability but the injury bug has obviously bit him. Kyle Orton will be competing for the starting spot (or so they say) and he looked decent last year. I like Berrian and wished he could have come back for another year but the price was definitely too much. Let's not forget also that Angelo used a first round pick on Colombo, who flamed out with the Bears because of injuries but now is starting for a contender in Dallas. Metcalf is still on this roster too and will be starting most likely too. Lastly, even though Angelo didn't draft him, Kreutz has been a Pro Bowl center. We DO know how to draft offensive linemen, how can you say otherwise?

No clear cut offensive threat other than Bradley and Hester, both which have their own problems to deal with let alone Hester learning the position still. Just because you have not done AMAZING at drafting offensive players doesn't mean you stop. brew, that is worst strategy one team can do. The draft is a risk for every team and every manager. Every team gets a bust and fucks up on picks. The Bears have had their share of flameouts on offense just like everyone else, most likely more-so. This team is not an offensive team and probably will never be in our lifetime. That said, they can't just STOP. Absolutely horrible strategy and I don't see how you can subscribe to that. Keep drafting defense? Where is the age in the safety position and defensive end position that you speak of? I listed the players and ages. Besides Wale and Brown, there is no one! And once again, they have drafted for those positions recently. To think they will address it again early in the draft is foolish. The draft is where teams build their teams. They need homegrown talent and this draft is critical for their future like I said already.

You keep talking about the "playmaker" we need. Brown is a concern because of injuries but he is that guy and the Bears believe that still. He had a separate, new injury last year, correct me if I am wrong. I hate to label players as injury prone even as close as Brown is to it. The switch to the other side will help this team needing that "playmaker" you desire if the secondary. As a SS, he will be able to come to the line more often and stop the run and also drop back as much as he did in the past. Manning was drafted as a "playmaker" as well don't forget. This guy has raw athletic ability and is getting better with time.

Word is now Hester is demanding more money because of advice from Deion. Should get realllll interesting very soon.

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I highly doubt the Bears go after Phillips...

I know everyone seems high on him, but being the best safety doesn't make him the best player... it seems the safety class is a bit weak this year... there are probably better options going deeper into some other positions before jumping into the safeties.
 
McShay has Phillips going to the Giants with the last pick of the first round and Kiper has Phillips going to the Broncos in the second round with pick number 42 overall. Interesting that Kiper has Tyrell Johnson being picked by the Giants before Phillips.
 
yea Goop... I noticed there are alot of mocks that have Phillips with the G-Men... I think mainly it's because they need a safety now with Gibril gone...

I'll be fine with Phillips, Mayo or Connor in the first for the G-Men.
 
Eagles fan here....

In a perfect scenario, I'd love to see us land Clady, second option being Chris Williams....I know OT's arent very sexy picks, but lets face reality, Thomas and Runyan arent getting any younger, and to get a future starter at OT needs to become more of a priority soon. Eagles can always go for WR in 2nd or 3rd round
 
would love for the giants to steal CB/Safety/KR Tyvon Branch from Uconn in the 2nd or 3rd round.. could be deadly for the gmen at many positions
 
would love for the giants to steal CB/Safety/KR Tyvon Branch from Uconn in the 2nd or 3rd round.. could be deadly for the gmen at many positions

Man I just can't get over that Branch might get taken in the 2nd rd. IMO that will be a horrible pick because he just is not a great cover guy. But if you are taking him for teams, go for it. But teams go later in the draft than rd 2...
 
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New York Giants
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6. Safety (Depth)
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5. Tight End (Starter)
6. Offensive Tackle (Depth)
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6. Safety (Depth)
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6. Fullback (Depth)
7. Inside Linebacker (Depth)

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4. Cornerback (Starter)
5. Tight End (Depth)
6. Wide Receiver (Depth)
7. Quarterback (Depth)

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2. Inside Linebacker(Starter)
3. Kick Returner (Starter)
4. Wide Receiver (Depth)
5. Guard (Depth)
6. Fullback (Depth)
7. Tight End (Depth)

Jacksonville Jaguars
1. Defensive End (Starter)
2. Strong Safety (Starter)
3. Middle Linebacker(Depth)
4. Cornerback (Depth)
5. Quarterback (Depth)
6. Center (Depth)
7. Defensive Tackle (Depth)

Tennessee Titans
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2. Middle Linebacker(Starter)
3. Guard (Starter)
4. Defensive Tackle (Depth)
5. Cornerback (Depth)
6. Defensive End (Depth)
7. Wide Receiver (Depth)

Denver Broncos
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2. Defensive Tackle (Starter)
3. Offensive Tackle (Starter)
4. Outside Linebacker(Depth)
5. Cornerback (Depth)
6. Kicker (Starter)
7. Punt Returner (Starter)

Kansas City Chiefs
1. Offensive Tackle (Starter)
2. Quarterback (Starter)
3. Offensive Guard (Starter)
4. Cornerback (Starter)
5. Defensive Tackle (Depth)
6. Outside Linebacker(Depth)
7. Running Back (Depth)

Oakland Raiders
1. Wide Receiver (Starter)
2. Offensive Tackle (Starter)
3. Inside Linebacker(Starter)
4. Outside Linebacker(Depth)
5. Running Back (Depth)
6. Kick Returner (Depth)
7. Offensive Guard (Depth)

San Diego Chargers
1. Offensive Tackle (Starter)
2. Safety (Starter)
3. Inside Linebacker(Starter)
4. Outside Linebacker(Starter)
5. Fullback (Depth)
6. Nose Tackle (Depth)
7. Defensive End (Depth)
 
would be very suprised if giants took a qb in the late rounds.. just signed D-carr.. have enough depth with him, a-wright, and big boy lorenzen
 
New Orleans Saints:
1. Defensive Tackle (Starter)
2. Tight End (Starter)
3. Outside Linebacker(Starter)
4. Cornerback (Nickel)
5. Running Back (Depth)
6. Kicker (Starter)
7. Offensive Guard/Center (Depth)


I dont think the Saints need a Nickel corner...

We got Randall Yag and Jason David. We need a legitimate starter
 
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