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We can combine the two threads here.

Any interesting tidbits from last week, go ahead and post.

Bowl eligibility is a great to put in here as well.

Make this thread count everyone.
 
Teams do look ahead, as if we didnt already know that. However, Mack Brown said it best during one of the halftime shows, these teams barely even practice for The Citadel etc, Bama practiced all week for Auburn. In this day and age where every coach says "one week at a time", if any week showed it was a lie, this would be it.

Bama, OSU, Michigan, PSU looked for the most part disinterested at many parts of the game, whether defensively, offensively or all together. Not to say those B1G teams dont have deficiencies that need to be addressed, its just hard to get fired up for those games this past week.

OSU Michigan game is everything, this is it for us. Then I'd be frightened of the let down the following week.
 
I would agree that Alabama played disinterested, but I'd be shocked if they prepared for AU instead of The Citadel. Just not the way Saban works. I'm quite certain he had several analysts breaking down AU film and tendencies so that the game plan was on his desk as soon as the game was over on Saturday, If there was any advance practicing, it was done during the bye week.
 
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I would agree that Alabama played disinterested, but I'd be shocked if they prepared for AU instead of The Citadel. Just not the way Saban works. I'm quite certain he had several analysts breaking down AU film and tendencies so that the game plan was on his desk as soon as the game was over on Saturday, If there was any advance practicing, it was done during the bye week.
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Probably prepared for both in reality during the week. To spend a week of game prep on The Citadel is insane when you are Alabama. Maybe a little bit everyday, TH/FRI who knows. Maybe to the players they did but internally coaches all week looked at Auburn tape. I just won't buy it that all staff and players spent 100% of the week on Citadel everything.
 
Oklahoma defense is ever worse than the world thought. That little Kansas RB averaged 16 yards a carry, Kansas averaged two yards more per play than Oklahoma, Kansas rushed for the most yards of any opponent in the history of Owen Field, and scored more points in the fourth quarter than any opponent in Oklahoma history.

On one play Kansas had first and goal at the 5. They ran left and the Kansas TE on that side blocked down on a DE. The Oklahoma LB who had outside coverage on that side ran in and BLOCKED the Kansas TE leaving the whole side of the field open. I have never seen a defensive player get confused and think he was on offense but that's what it looked like happened. Maybe the problem is that guys on the OU D are so dumb they don't even understand the concept.

UCF is actually better than the score showed against Cincinnati. They took the air out of the ball in the second half and just coasted.

Same with Washington State. They put up 55 in the first half then just coasted the second half and rested a lot of players to get ready for the Apple Cup.

I added Clemson to my list of teams to never bet against no matter what the spread is, no matter what the situation is. Alabama was the only team on the list--I've saved a lot of money since I started this list three years ago--but Clemson has shown the opponent has no say in how the game turns out. They dictate the final score. Not sure what I'll do when they play each other.

I still don't understand why all the ESPN handicappers and every other public handicapper and tout was on Wake Forest Saturday. There must be some handicapping principle I never heard of that was in play.

Strange ending to the Wyoming game. I'm still trying to find out exactly what happened. Wyoming trailed all game then scored to lead by one and intercepted a pass abouit the AF 30 (hard to tell exactly because it was snowing) with a minute and 20 seconds left. Instead of kneeling they ran a play and the guy went all the way and scored. Then the announcer said there is a flag on the play, and I heard an official yell "holding." I switched over to catch a play in the Okla St/WV game and when I switched back Wyoming was kicking the PAT. Later I read they threw a pass for the TD. I'm happy to see a team that keeps trying to score--amd I got the miracle cover--but I'm amazed if they actually passed in a snow storm with a one point lead and half a minute left.

Colorado is a coach's graveyard and always has been. McCartney won big there for a short time, but brought in so many criminals and gangsters he quit coaching and became a preacher to try and atone. MacIntyre did about as well as anyone can do--turn out a good team every few years, upset one of the big teams now and then, and try to be entertaining. The state turns out very few players, they are surrounded by states that turn out even fewer players, they have no rival (McCartney tried to invent one by claiming Nebraska was their rival, but it never worked), they play most of their games against teams with bigger recruiting bases and more committed fans, and they are in a league where they have no history with any teams and no reason for fans to care about any of the games.
 
Wyoming scored on the run play. They were called for holding, but Air Force couldn't accept it because if they did, Wyo could've just ran out the clock. It was the only way to get the ball back. Wyoming kicked the xtra point and won by 8 instead of 1. All time bad beat if you were on Air Force +2.
 
Thanks, CPA. I thought that had to be the answer, but I see so many teams lose because they refuse to at least get a fighting chance by allowing the other team to score that I doubted AF would do it.

Now I wonder about the run. The guy scored so easily I wonder if AF let the guy score, then had to double down and refuse the penalty. Did the announcers say anything about AF allowing the runner to score?

You are right that it was probably the all-time bad beat. Just the opposite for me. I would have to do some thinking but it's probably the biggest gift I've ever had,

The previous all time gift was an OT game between USC and Arizona State. I can't recall which team I had but I laid 8 points so I was dead when it went to OT, but my team scored 7, then the other team threw a pass and my guy intercepted and instead of taking a knee went 90 yards to give me a win that in theory is impossible to do.
 
Also MW brought up a situation from '96 I believe (hello memory) where game went to OT and team scored TD, converted the 2, then returned a pick6 to win by 14.

That's kinda rough
 
KJ said:
Also MW brought up a situation from '96 I believe (hello memory) where game went to OT and team scored TD, converted the 2, then returned a pick6 to win by 14.

That's kinda rough
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I won on this game. I remember being in a bar called fat heads in Pittsburgh watching it. Almost shit my pants
 
I still don't understand why all the ESPN handicappers and every other public handicapper and tout was on Wake Forest Saturday. There must be some handicapping principle I never heard of that was in play.
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Games and outcomes are played over 4 quarters and not just 2...but Wake did lead 10-6 halftime with a 160-156 yard edge.
 
Honestly I couldn't tell you what the announcers said. It was a blurr. I was on Wyoming -2 and was yelling because I thought they scored and I saw the flag and was like Fuck me. It was 3rd and 14. Air Force used their last time out. There was 50 secs left when they snapped it.Wyo had two receivers out to the right. I guess they had no inclination to just take a knee. AF at least lined up. And had guys chasing the RB
 
The previous all time gift was an OT game between USC and Arizona State. I can't recall which team I had but I laid 8 points so I was dead when it went to OT, but my team scored 7, then the other team threw a pass and my guy intercepted and instead of taking a knee went 90 yards to give me a win that in theory is impossible to do.
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The 13 pt loss in OT, I had the losing team. It is always something to think for any miracle cover or bad beat there are probably an equal amount of people out there on the other side.

 
TahoeLegend said:
I still don't understand why all the ESPN handicappers and every other public handicapper and tout was on Wake Forest Saturday. There must be some handicapping principle I never heard of that was in play.
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The upset of State was a primetime TV game that they all saw or paid attention to.
 
It was the more likely bowl eligible victory for Wake Forest after the massive upset of NCSU, which occurred after taking reigns off the backup QB. Given the windfall of cash the last three weeks to backing bowl eligibility motivation, it is hard to blame anyone for backing Wake Forest, regardless. They turned out to be a casualty.
 
James Franklin rumors to USC starting to heat up a bit. Probably looking for a raise at PSU off a shitty season lol Need him to stay at PSU.
 
SVP had the ending of the Wyoming/AF game on his Bad Beat segment last night and said it was the Bad Beat of the year so far. Winning that bet was an even a bigger miracle than I thought.

I can’t find the video but it will be up today or tomorrow and I’ll post it if I find it, or maybe some of you guys who are better at searching the web than I am can find it.

That's the game, S--K. I remembered I won, but thought it was an interception. Looking at now that looks like USC got screwed on the call.
 
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booksbestfriend said:
Is Jimmy Sexton his agent? If yes, you are correct in looking for a raise.
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No idea, but seems status quo nowadays. Create angst among fan base etc, get paid when was never gonna leave in first place. More power to the coaches as the schools generate gazillions off the programs.
 
By the way, SVP's other football Bad Beat was another Mountain West game, the Hawaii/UNLV game. Not quite as bad as the Wyoming/AF game, but still bad. Real bad. I saw the final score, but had no idea of what happened in the game.

I’m sure there must be a guy somewhere who had both Air Force and UNLV. If so, he is probably in rehab today and has sworn off gambling forever. I probably would have if I had those two games. I might have even if I had just had Air Force.
 
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Yeah I think losing a game in OT by double digits would be the ultimate bad beat.
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I can't recall it ever happening again, though it may have. I do know Clemson beat Duke by 9 in OT back in the '90s on a FG plus a Rahim Abdullah INT return.
 
RetroVK said:
It was the more likely bowl eligible victory for Wake Forest after the massive upset of NCSU, which occurred after taking reigns off the backup QB. Given the windfall of cash the last three weeks to backing bowl eligibility motivation, it is hard to blame anyone for backing Wake Forest, regardless. They turned out to be a casualty.
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The NC State game was probably a transitive-property fluke. State killed FSU, which had recently dominated Wake 38-17. So State takes Wake lightly. Probably the same thing that happened with Wake's upset over Cuse (which beat FSU 30-7).
 
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Oklahoma defense is ever worse than the world thought. That little Kansas RB averaged 16 yards a carry, Kansas averaged two yards more per play than Oklahoma, Kansas rushed for the most yards of any opponent in the history of Owen Field, and scored more points in the fourth quarter than any opponent in Oklahoma history.

On one play Kansas had first and goal at the 5. They ran left and the Kansas TE on that side blocked down on a DE. The Oklahoma LB who had outside coverage on that side ran in and BLOCKED the Kansas TE leaving the whole side of the field open. I have never seen a defensive player get confused and think he was on offense but that's what it looked like happened. Maybe the problem is that guys on the OU D are so dumb they don't even understand the concept.

UCF is actually better than the score showed against Cincinnati. They took the air out of the ball in the second half and just coasted.

Same with Washington State. They put up 55 in the first half then just coasted the second half and rested a lot of players to get ready for the Apple Cup.

I added Clemson to my list of teams to never bet against no matter what the spread is, no matter what the situation is. Alabama was the only team on the list--I've saved a lot of money since I started this list three years ago--but Clemson has shown the opponent has no say in how the game turns out. They dictate the final score. Not sure what I'll do when they play each other.

I still don't understand why all the ESPN handicappers and every other public handicapper and tout was on Wake Forest Saturday. There must be some handicapping principle I never heard of that was in play.

Strange ending to the Wyoming game. I'm still trying to find out exactly what happened. Wyoming trailed all game then scored to lead by one and intercepted a pass abouit the AF 30 (hard to tell exactly because it was snowing) with a minute and 20 seconds left. Instead of kneeling they ran a play and the guy went all the way and scored. Then the announcer said there is a flag on the play, and I heard an official yell "holding." I switched over to catch a play in the Okla St/WV game and when I switched back Wyoming was kicking the PAT. Later I read they threw a pass for the TD. I'm happy to see a team that keeps trying to score--amd I got the miracle cover--but I'm amazed if they actually passed in a snow storm with a one point lead and half a minute left.

Colorado is a coach's graveyard and always has been. McCartney won big there for a short time, but brought in so many criminals and gangsters he quit coaching and became a preacher to try and atone. MacIntyre did about as well as anyone can do--turn out a good team every few years, upset one of the big teams now and then, and try to be entertaining. The state turns out very few players, they are surrounded by states that turn out even fewer players, they have no rival (McCartney tried to invent one by claiming Nebraska was their rival, but it never worked), they play most of their games against teams with bigger recruiting bases and more committed fans, and they are in a league where they have no history with any teams and no reason for fans to care about any of the games.
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that kid is legit bro. not saying OK defense doesn't suck but that kid is good
 
Twink, OU legit had 1 guy to stop vs. Kansas...they still couldn't do it and gave up 40.

For real though, agree, Pooka is going to be a stud. But OU defense is bad beyond words. How this game stays under 84 is beyond me...hell, I think 84 still has value in playing the over.
 
Ya everyone and their mommy was on Cuse against Notre Dame and now BC is a TD ?

Something odd there.


BBF - give me a final score in the F vs FSU game
 
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