Week #4 Discussion Thread

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This upcoming week is phenomenal!

The following games hold great interest to me whether it's betting or just viewing!

Fresno @ Hawaii

Michigan State @ USC

Michigan @ Nebraska

Arizona State @ Baylor

Illinois @ Indiana

Auburn @ Oklahoma

Texas Tech @ Utah

Florida @ Miami FL

SMU @ TCU

Apple Cup!!

Civil War!!

This particular week is lo key so good. A few of these are a lot better than a novice fan would think.

I'm excited!

Let's chat.
 
Big Ten I'm on Iowa and USC.

Illinois @ Indiana gonna be a good one. Illini battled tested on the road vs Duke, but don't see 5 turnovers by the Hossiers like Duke had.
 
V.K. said:
Big Ten I'm on Iowa and USC.

Illinois @ Indiana gonna be a good one. Illini battled tested on the road vs Duke, but don't see 5 turnovers by the Hossiers like Duke had.
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I cannot imagine the face Cignetti will make if Indiana ever has 5 TOs against anyone. When the Sycamores held them to a FG Friday night to make it 24-0, he looked as if they were down 30.
 
Frank Costanza said:
West Virginia still celebrating and probably will be through mid week. Not a very good team to begin with and Kansas off a bye. 12 is a strong # but laid it anyway.
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Had WVU as the worst team in the b12 before the season with all the new blood but Ok Lite said hold my beer! This is such a good spot for KU I would have laid up the 3 TDs
 
Remember the UNT and ARMY game last year? That was quite the wagered game by the CTG crew.

Myself included.

I saw the discussion in @bookieassassin thread and started having bad memories pop up...

To refresh...



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Under the radar this weekend, SMU @ TCU. Last game in this series.103 games have been played in it since 1915. TCU chose to discontinue the game. Plenty of venom over the years and should be fun on Saturday.
 
I’m really interested in the Texas tech/utah game, neither really been tested yet, I think tech the more appealing team to watch. But going to Utah is a hell of a 1st test. It got a crazy early start time, not sure how often ganes in Utah start at 11 central? I don’t think I could play against Utes only getting a fg but I really don’t wanna be on them either. What I do like a lot and already played is under 58,, that in itself might be a lean to Utah but maybe not? I like red raiders d also but I do think the early start and Utah imposing their will a bit will keep this game pretty comfortably under the number. 30-27 is still under and how often does Utah play that kind of game? I dunno, I have a very hard time thinking this game is played higher than mid 20s.
 
2daBank said:
I’m really interested in the Texas tech/utah game, neither really been tested yet, I think tech the more appealing team to watch. But going to Utah is a hell of a 1st test. It got a crazy early start time, not sure how often ganes in Utah start at 11 central? I don’t think I could play against Utes only getting a fg but I really don’t wanna be on them either. What I do like a lot and already played is under 58,, that in itself might be a lean to Utah but maybe not? I like red raiders d also but I do think the early start and Utah imposing their will a bit will keep this game pretty comfortably under the number. 30-27 is still under and how often does Utah play that kind of game? I dunno, I have a very hard time thinking this game is played higher than mid 20s.
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Utah QB is really, really good. I wouldn't like to be on under in this, especially hoping Utah doesn't score. I could see a lackluster TT offense I guess after they've been a darling scoring machine against air so far. Utah should score plenty.
 
aub/ou u48 another under I like and played early (I actually got 49 but don’t think it matter much, anything above 47 I think cashes). 2 teams that I think the entire offense revolves around their qb running the ball and 2 defenses I think that very tough to run against. I’d think there nothing about Arnold that will surprise Venables since he spent a few years at Ou. Outside Arnold running I didht think much of Aub offense in the Baylor game, the bears simply had no answers for Arnold taking off on every freaking drop back. Don’t see a world where he allowed to do that in ou. On the other side I just don’t think Ou offense is good enough to consistently move the ball on tigers d. This feels like a total slugfest kinda game to me, can’t imagine it takes more than 23-24 points to get the W. That in itself kinda makes me lean to taking the points with Aub as well, I think this game is pretty close but the line been moving Ou way, maybe if it gets to +7 I’ll bite.
 
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jimmymo said:
The Wisconsin money just fascinates me so far.............Edwards back, sure, but still.....
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Dangerous Terps team and Wisky coming off the Bama beating is an angle I'll play against every day. They aren't really exceptional at anything. No reason MD can't keep this close and have a chance to win imo.
 
KJ said:
Utah QB is really, really good. I wouldn't like to be on under in this, especially hoping Utah doesn't score. I could see a lackluster TT offense I guess after they've been a darling scoring machine against air so far. Utah should score plenty.
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I don’t have anything against him, I just think Texas tech d is pretty loaded, granted they havnt been tested much but Utah scored 31 at Wyo and 40ish against a god awful ucla team. I feel pretty confident tech can hold them to lower total than those teams. I dont really expect either offense to be bad, they don’t have to be with a 58 total, more so especially when Utah has the ball id expect them to chew up clock when they move the football., def don’t see tech offense lighting this d up in the way they been doing cream puffs. Throw in the redic start time which I’m a firm believer often leads to sluggish offensive starts and I just think this number high. If this game played in the 60s I’ll be really shocked and happily take the L cause I’d be crazy wrong 🤣
 
KJ said:
Dangerous Terps team and Wisky coming off the Bama beating is an angle I'll play against every day. They aren't really exceptional at anything. No reason MD can't keep this close and have a chance to win imo.
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Yea when I saw -10 without much thought I knew it was dog all day. Not sure how anyone trying to lay more than a td with wiscy?
 
@KJ I will say this bout the Utah total, if the game starts as slow offensively as I hope I would def start looking at live overs if I can get a strong middle. I considered just playing 1st half under but 58 just felt high enough I was comfortable with full game. Maybe I’m way off but totals this high with wittingham in what I think a very competitive game just scream under to me. I just don’t think if he has his way and his offense is having success he will be interested in scoring fast and playing more at red raiders desired tempo. I suppose if tech got off to a hot start that be the way I could see the under getting buried but I really don’t expect that. I’d have to look to make sure but how often has there been a big game in Utah and the game played into the 60s? It feels like almost never to me.
 
KJ said:
Dangerous Terps team and Wisky coming off the Bama beating is an angle I'll play against every day. They aren't really exceptional at anything. No reason MD can't keep this close and have a chance to win imo.
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Agree = while was very small, I actually bet +7 1/2 thinking it would close at 7 or below........this was before any Edwards news tho....still
 
2daBank said:
@KJ I will say this bout the Utah total, if the game starts as slow offensively as I hope I would def start looking at live overs if I can get a strong middle. I considered just playing 1st half under but 58 just felt high enough I was comfortable with full game. Maybe I’m way off but totals this high with wittingham in what I think a very competitive game just scream under to me. I just don’t think if he has his way and his offense is having success he will be interested in scoring fast and playing more at red raiders desired tempo. I suppose if tech got off to a hot start that be the way I could see the under getting buried but I really don’t expect that. I’d have to look to make sure but how often has there been a big game in Utah and the game played into the 60s? It feels like almost never to me.
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Well I don't think he's ever had a QB this talented but. Questions for sure about the level of competition to this point but I like teams to play up to it when I think they are really good. I think that about this team. I mean we can look at the flip side of that and I won't be surprised if Vandy lowers their level against GA St just because that's how it works. But I think even the 10am start time is meaningless for Utes. Many are Mormon and likely wake up at 5am every day anyway.
 
So I’m assuming there no chance sellers playing with this mizzou line? I’d be betting scary way more than I should if I thought there was a chance he playing and I could get double digits!
 
KJ said:
Well I don't think he's ever had a QB this talented but. Questions for sure about the level of competition to this point but I like teams to play up to it when I think they are really good. I think that about this team. I mean we can look at the flip side of that and I won't be surprised if Vandy lowers their level against GA St just because that's how it works. But I think even the 10am start time is meaningless for Utes. Many are Mormon and likely wake up at 5am every day anyway.
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Yes and maybe I’m wrong but more times than not when they up their play it means defense and suffocating the other team. Even with a more talented qb I just don’t expect their dna changes all that much. Plus I do think red raiders d will have a little something to say cause I think they pretty good. The early start is def more likely to effect tech offense id think, if utes playing with a lead I feel really confident they will suck the life out the clock. There no way I see Utah controlling this game and it getting into 60s.
 
2daBank said:
Yes and maybe I’m wrong but more times than not when they up their play it means defense and suffocating the other team. Even with a more talented qb I just don’t expect their dna changes all that much. Plus I do think red raiders d will have a little something to say cause I think they pretty good. The early start is def more likely to effect tech offense id think, if utes playing with a lead I feel really confident they will suck the life out the clock. There no way I see Utah controlling this game and it getting into 60s.
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Tech on Central time and Utah on Mountain time so hour difference could be a thing. I do think if Utes control the TOP they score more than it sounds like you think. I don't like Tech defense much though.
 
Love to do quadrants of O v D in games like this

Personally I go:

1. Utah offense
2. Utah defense
3 Tech offense
4 Tech defense

That does factor home field in as on a neutral I'd rate 2 and 3 as a wash really but at home I give a decent edge to Utes defense. Thus why I laid the 4 pts and didn't really put two thoughts into it if/when it dropped a half point.
 
KJ said:
Love to do quadrants of O v D in games like this

Personally I go:

1. Utah offense
2. Utah defense
3 Tech offense
4 Tech defense

That does factor home field in as on a neutral I'd rate 2 and 3 as a wash really but at home I give a decent edge to Utes defense. Thus why I laid the 4 pts and didn't really put two thoughts into it if/when it dropped a half point.
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It’s down to -3 now I saw earlier this morning. If the juice levels off I prob have a hard time not joining you. My biggest thing is I’m really not sure what tech is yet, think I’m higher on their d than you, I know the d is really talented but it also hasn’t played together much or in a game like this where they gonna be challenged physically the way wittingham teams always do.
 
2daBank said:
It’s down to -3 now I saw earlier this morning. If the juice levels off I prob have a hard time not joining you. My biggest thing is I’m really not sure what tech is yet, think I’m higher on their d than you, I know the d is really talented but it also hasn’t played together much or in a game like this where they gonna be challenged physically the way wittingham teams always do.
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This is Whittingham's last season. I honestly think he has the team to light the lamps on offense and will go out that way as opposed to the traditional way he's always played. Again, this is the first time he's had a QB that is borderline elite. He's better than a healthy Rising.
 
And make no mistake, if ISU are good enough to make the b12 'ship, and the schedule is favorable to do it, this is the one team I don't want to see.
 
KJ said:
This is Whittingham's last season. I honestly think he has the team to light the lamps on offense and will go out that way as opposed to the traditional way he's always played. Again, this is the first time he's had a QB that is borderline elite. He's better than a healthy Rising.
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I agree the qb better, I think most the disconnect here is you think way less of Texas tech degense than I do. No clue who right on that yet.
 
2daBank said:
I agree the qb better, I think most the disconnect here is you think way less of Texas tech degense than I do. No clue who right on that yet.
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Yeah impossible to know what that's about. B12 defense in general gets opposing QBs laid
 
2daBank said:
I’m really interested in the Texas tech/utah game, neither really been tested yet, I think tech the more appealing team to watch. But going to Utah is a hell of a 1st test. It got a crazy early start time, not sure how often ganes in Utah start at 11 central? I don’t think I could play against Utes only getting a fg but I really don’t wanna be on them either. What I do like a lot and already played is under 58,, that in itself might be a lean to Utah but maybe not? I like red raiders d also but I do think the early start and Utah imposing their will a bit will keep this game pretty comfortably under the number. 30-27 is still under and how often does Utah play that kind of game? I dunno, I have a very hard time thinking this game is played higher than mid 20s.
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Definition of a game where I'll have no action and simply watch for enjoyment.
 
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