Week 14 What Are We Learning

I don't remember the last time I didn't hate the Jets coach but Jeff Ulbrich is probably the worst I've seen and that includes Rich Kotite and his 4-28 record over two seasons.
 
C-MAN said:
Carolina is a team building momentum into next season. Bryce Young was pretty amazing on that last drive and if Legette didn’t have feet for hands Carolina would have scored and may have won the game.
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I like Canales (he was one of my top picks if the Jets made the right move to fire Saleh after last season) and have a good feeling about Dan Morgan as the GM.
 
Yea, Browns missed two fgs but Pitt still won by 13 without their best offensive weapon. It’s hard to beat a divisional foe by double digits so that was pretty impressive considering they played not even close to their A game.
 
Go back and look at week three. Rams beat the 49ers. Everyone, analysts, fans, etc were writing off the Rams season. They had just lost two receivers and some linemen. According to espn their "season was over." According to a lot of people their season was over. Heard a lot of the same talk about the 49ers this week. Nothing's ever over 'till it's over.
 
McDermott in game decisions continue to stink. Down three with a hold you can force a fg attempt and you enforce the penalty instead? 6 point game means nothing when it’s clear you need a td to win. D hadn’t stopped anyone and you think they will keep the rams from scoring there???? Idiot
 
Was anyone with me and grabbed the Tampa division future at +260 3 weeks ago? Falcons in a complete free fall. And Cousins playing like he’s literally cousins… with Jamarcus Russell 😂
 
austinhous said:
Go back and look at week three. Rams beat the 49ers. Everyone, analysts, fans, etc were writing off the Rams season. They had just lost two receivers and some linemen. According to espn their "season was over." According to a lot of people their season was over. Heard a lot of the same talk about the 49ers this week. Nothing's ever over 'till it's over.
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Very true.

They lost their next two after that. The tide turned a bit and HOPEFULLY they can make the comeback all the way to a division win!

They'll have to win the division to get in. The NFC west isn't going to secure more than one bid unless Washington falls apart completely.

Rams finish with Seattle. That's a must win and would be perfect for a tiebreaker as well.

Before that, road games at NYJ and SF. Home to Zona the week before that finale. They are able to dictate a lot with the 3 divisional games.

Seattle schedule is tough. Yes, a Bears game but they also play Minnesota and Green Bay. Wild they will have 3 games left vs the NFC North. Very odd circumstances there.

I'm not discounting SF or Arizona but I feel like this division comes down to Week 18 in LA.


Addendum -- Zona has NE and Carolina the next two before division opponents to end. That helps them big time.
 
skanless13 said:
Was anyone with me and grabbed the Tampa division future at +260 3 weeks ago? Falcons in a complete free fall. And Cousins playing like he’s literally cousins… with Jamarcus Russell 😂
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I did skanless. The second time you mentioned it I peeked schedules and tossed a few bucks on it!
 
Silk is the one person who texted me asking if I'm still alive

That was pretty cool
 
C-MAN said:
The playoffs are all about matchups. Versus certain teams I would definitely fade them, but there are a few playoff teams they match up really well against.
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Including the two (Denver & LAC) they would likely play in the first round, assuming they win the division, which obviously isn't a sure thing.
 
Rappaport is reporting that the Steelers and Russ doing a contract extension is imminent. Just another victory for Blitzburgh....this one fell into their lap.
 
KJ said:
Rappaport is reporting that the Steelers and Russ doing a contract extension is imminent. Just another victory for Blitzburgh....this one fell into their lap.
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Hopefully a short term deal.

Excellent comeback year but he's 36 years old.

Two years seems perfect. No more.
 
B.A.R. said:
Hopefully a short term deal.

Excellent comeback year but he's 36 years old.

Two years seems perfect. No more.
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I'd do 2/1 option if I was them. He's that guy that could be a coach for that team for years too
 
The Lions, Packers, and Vikings are 28-3 against the rest of the NFL. Outside of games against each other, none of these teams have lost since October.
 

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wizardofodd said:
I would not want to go up against one of the most consistent coaches in the NFL with one of the best defenses - not sure of the logic here
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We'll see but I'll be fading Pittsburgh and Minnesota unless they just get crazy favorable matchups.
 
I learned that the Cowboys have run out of ways to lose so now they're recycling some of their greatest hits. They brought the Leon Lett (TM) out of mothballs yesterday, performing both a great feat (blocking a punt) and a boneheaded error (trying to recover the blocked kick past the line of scrimmage) on the same play.

I do have a bone to pick with the way the rule is written, however. It was 4th and 27 at the Bengals 29 when the punt was blocked. So, the line to gain was the Cowboys 44. After the punt was deflected by Dallas, the ball was touched again by Dallas, and the Bengals recovered at their 43. POINT - the Bengals were still short of the line to gain!

This goes to the difference between "touching" and "possessing" the ball. Those are clearly different items in other rules of the game (passes, fumble recoveries, etc.) yet on kicks they are considered one and the same. Automatically a brand new possession can be transferred on the basis of a "touch" of the ball without actually "possessing" the ball; that is unique to kicks. But even with kicks that is not always the case! Had the touch and Bengals recovery occurred behind the line of scrimmage, the ball would've gone to Dallas.

I would recommend changing the rule (obviously). The line of scrimmage has no significance on punts once the ball is snapped. The rule should be that a Cowboys touch followed by a Bengals touch would mean the Bengals "maintain" possession, they didn't receive a new possession. So, the fact that the ball failed to advance to the line of gain on the fourth down play should be taken into account and would result in a turnover on downs and the ball going over to the defense.

IMO that's a much fairer result for that kind of unique play. The result of muffed punts doesn't change because the ball is always past the line to gain. If the Bengals, when collecting the touched ball, had managed to advance it past the first down marker, then they keep possession. That would be fair.

But it just seems unfair to me that a team can regain possession when a) the opponent never truly possessed the ball, AND b) the ball never got to the first down marker. There's a failure on the part of the offensive (punting) team that is not being penalized.

That's my beef for the day.
 
Gandolf said:
I learned that the Cowboys have run out of ways to lose so now they're recycling some of their greatest hits. They brought the Leon Lett (TM) out of mothballs yesterday, performing both a great feat (blocking a punt) and a boneheaded error (trying to recover the blocked kick past the line of scrimmage) on the same play.

I do have a bone to pick with the way the rule is written, however. It was 4th and 27 at the Bengals 29 when the punt was blocked. So, the line to gain was the Cowboys 44. After the punt was deflected by Dallas, the ball was touched again by Dallas, and the Bengals recovered at their 43. POINT - the Bengals were still short of the line to gain!

This goes to the difference between "touching" and "possessing" the ball. Those are clearly different items in other rules of the game (passes, fumble recoveries, etc.) yet on kicks they are considered one and the same. Automatically a brand new possession can be transferred on the basis of a "touch" of the ball without actually "possessing" the ball; that is unique to kicks. But even with kicks that is not always the case! Had the touch and Bengals recovery occurred behind the line of scrimmage, the ball would've gone to Dallas.

I would recommend changing the rule (obviously). The line of scrimmage has no significance on punts once the ball is snapped. The rule should be that a Cowboys touch followed by a Bengals touch would mean the Bengals "maintain" possession, they didn't receive a new possession. So, the fact that the ball failed to advance to the line of gain on the fourth down play should be taken into account and would result in a turnover on downs and the ball going over to the defense.

IMO that's a much fairer result for that kind of unique play. The result of muffed punts doesn't change because the ball is always past the line to gain. If the Bengals, when collecting the touched ball, had managed to advance it past the first down marker, then they keep possession. That would be fair.

But it just seems unfair to me that a team can regain possession when a) the opponent never truly possessed the ball, AND b) the ball never got to the first down marker. There's a failure on the part of the offensive (punting) team that is not being penalized.

That's my beef for the day.
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Agree with this.
 
twinkie13 said:
You could get funky and have punters kicking missles at guys to gain possession lol
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I think they already try that in college. Those rugby style punters.....I'm almost certain they kick those end-over-end balls trying to hit someone blocking downfield.

When you have two guys focused on blocking a gunner.....you don't think they could get a punter to land the ball pretty closer to where the gunner intends to be?
 
Burrows said after the game he would do whatever it takes to keep Higgins on the team.

As in 2 catches for 23 yards? To keep his negotiating leverage down?
 
What the flying fuck is wrong AJ brown? He becoming the TO, Antonio brown, of this generation! For weeks Philly has looked like the only team who could give lions a game and this asshoke whining and taking shots at his qb! This another part of Tomlin greatness, for years we had no idea what a pain in the ass brown was! Serianni might be over his skies in being able to handle what feels like a potential mess. This dude has gotten the 💰 more than once, maybe try acting like a team leader and be happy your squad is balling instead of taking pot shots at your qb!
 
Gandolf said:
I learned that the Cowboys have run out of ways to lose so now they're recycling some of their greatest hits. They brought the Leon Lett (TM) out of mothballs yesterday, performing both a great feat (blocking a punt) and a boneheaded error (trying to recover the blocked kick past the line of scrimmage) on the same play.

I do have a bone to pick with the way the rule is written, however. It was 4th and 27 at the Bengals 29 when the punt was blocked. So, the line to gain was the Cowboys 44. After the punt was deflected by Dallas, the ball was touched again by Dallas, and the Bengals recovered at their 43. POINT - the Bengals were still short of the line to gain!

This goes to the difference between "touching" and "possessing" the ball. Those are clearly different items in other rules of the game (passes, fumble recoveries, etc.) yet on kicks they are considered one and the same. Automatically a brand new possession can be transferred on the basis of a "touch" of the ball without actually "possessing" the ball; that is unique to kicks. But even with kicks that is not always the case! Had the touch and Bengals recovery occurred behind the line of scrimmage, the ball would've gone to Dallas.

I would recommend changing the rule (obviously). The line of scrimmage has no significance on punts once the ball is snapped. The rule should be that a Cowboys touch followed by a Bengals touch would mean the Bengals "maintain" possession, they didn't receive a new possession. So, the fact that the ball failed to advance to the line of gain on the fourth down play should be taken into account and would result in a turnover on downs and the ball going over to the defense.

IMO that's a much fairer result for that kind of unique play. The result of muffed punts doesn't change because the ball is always past the line to gain. If the Bengals, when collecting the touched ball, had managed to advance it past the first down marker, then they keep possession. That would be fair.

But it just seems unfair to me that a team can regain possession when a) the opponent never truly possessed the ball, AND b) the ball never got to the first down marker. There's a failure on the part of the offensive (punting) team that is not being penalized.

That's my beef for the day.
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I agree that rule is stupid, if the punt gets blocked it shouldn’t be a live ball, at the very least if the blocking team touches it then the kicking team recovers they should at least have to gain the yards for a 1st down, not sure I even like that but the kicking team getting the ball for by all accounts a bad play in getting your punt blocked is stupid. Of course the nfl is way more worried about making other dumb rules that help them control outcomes to care about fixing something so stupid! Let’s reward the team for getting their punt blocked? That is so stupid it boggles my mind, if it wasn’t the nfl it would shock me!
 
Brewers888 said:
I don't remember the last time I didn't hate the Jets coach but Jeff Ulbrich is probably the worst I've seen and that includes Rich Kotite and his 4-28 record over two seasons.
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You are a broken record brother. You should be thrilled they actually competed in that game, they shoulda got blown out if Miami and Tua wernt so awful in the red zone, I can’t believe fish didn’t cover that game!
 
C-MAN said:
Carolina is a team building momentum into next season. Bryce Young was pretty amazing on that last drive and if Legette didn’t have feet for hands Carolina would have scored and may have won the game.
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Loved them last week and they might be the best play on board this week, can they actually win tho?
 
KJ said:
I don't think this is wise
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Fuck no it not wise, they own the ravens and they the last team kc wants to see, watt will wreck kc off the edge w those tackles, russ isn’t scared of the big moment late. Steelers are legit SB contenders assuming they can get Pickens hammy right, that an issue right now, id love them vs Philly but the word on Pickens ain’t great right now. The real beauty of this the nfl screwed Steelers once again, 1st they gotta play browns on short week after ravens. Now they making Steelers play kc on another short week once again after ravens so knowing Tomlin track record they will beat ravens again then get whipped by kc and everyone be down on them, could be another great time to add to my Steelers futures. If you not buying Steelers even a little bit you making a huge mistake imo. They are bound for the afc championship game. Bills might be a tough matchup but that coach continues to show his incompetence in late game situations, sneaking Allen and having to burn that time out lost them the game, just like he lost them the game against Houston with awful desicions. I been higher on bills this year than ever before but week by week I have more and more doubts McDermott is a good HC. Give me Tomlin in a big game all day!
 
2daBank said:
You are a broken record brother. You should be thrilled they actually competed in that game, they shoulda got blown out if Miami and Tua wernt so awful in the red zone, I can’t believe fish didn’t cover that game!
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Jets have a minimum of 6-7 wins with a good coavhing staff. Unlike the Giants who have no talent the Jets actually have an above average roster.
 
Brewers888 said:
Could be but I'll pay to see Arthur Smith and Russ put up enough points against a good team.
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Arther smith made a pretty respectable offense w dig shit tannehill as his qb. And far as Russ goes he been to 2 SB’s and say what you want he playing like a top 10 qb right now. It not like he old as fuck off a Achilles injury like that clown in New York,
 
Brewers888 said:
Could be but I'll pay to see Arthur Smith and Russ put up enough points against a good team.
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I’ll say this much. They gotta get Pickens hammy right, without him I agree they won’t go far.. everyone gonna be so down on Steelers also cause nfl totally fucked them w the scheduling. Both games after ravens they put them on short weeks which we know Tomlin hates! 1st the Browns on Thu they lost, now the next time they play ravens then gotta play short week on Xmas vs kc so kc will prob actually cover a game that week! Perfect storm to get ppl down on Steelers then they gonna lower the boom in playoffs! I know kc don’t want to see them, those garbage tackles have no chance of blocking watt! Ravens havnt been able to beat Steelers with total bums at qb cause Steelers d owns Lamar.. bills the only team that scares me but long as it a close gm McDermott has proven to be a total liability. That guy is reading “late game football desicions” from the same book as Mike McCarthy! It’s just happened way to many times for it to be a coincidence, they guy might be a good head coach 98% the time but his choices in last 2 minutes are like a retard throwing darts!
 
2daBank said:
I’ll say this much. They gotta get Pickens hammy right, without him I agree they won’t go far.. everyone gonna be so down on Steelers also cause nfl totally fucked them w the scheduling. Both games after ravens they put them on short weeks which we know Tomlin hates! 1st the Browns on Thu they lost, now the next time they play ravens then gotta play short week on Xmas vs kc so kc will prob actually cover a game that week! Perfect storm to get ppl down on Steelers then they gonna lower the boom in playoffs! I know kc don’t want to see them, those garbage tackles have no chance of blocking watt! Ravens havnt been able to beat Steelers with total bums at qb cause Steelers d owns Lamar.. bills the only team that scares me but long as it a close gm McDermott has proven to be a total liability. That guy is reading “late game football desicions” from the same book as Mike McCarthy! It’s just happened way to many times for it to be a coincidence, they guy might be a good head coach 98% the time but his choices in last 2 minutes are like a retard throwing darts!
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I'll take Josh Allen over Russ every time and that more than overcomes the head coaching disadvantage. I don't trust Baltimore either in a tough spot especially if its really cold which Lamar has shown he can't handle.

The dark horse to me is the Chargers who have the best coach and a QB more than capable of winning a big game but the question with them is handling the cold weather which is always an issue for warm weather teams.
 
Brewers888 said:
I'll take Josh Allen over Russ every time and that more than overcomes the head coaching disadvantage. I don't trust Baltimore either in a tough spot especially if its really cold which Lamar has shown he can't handle.

The dark horse to me is the Chargers who have the best coach and a QB more than capable of winning a big game but the question with them is handling the cold weather which is always an issue for warm weather teams.
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Well fuck bro, that ain’t exactly hot take. Just everyone would take Allen over any qb! If wasn’t for the rings there a case for him over mahomes! But mahomes has the best coach in the league while Allen stuck w a guy who has proven to shit his pants in big spots! If it was Allen vs Russ or any qb bills would have several rings! The qbs might be the most crucial part to a team but it been proven many times you can win without the best one! Long as yours is good and you build a great team around him you can win. Russ was never the best qb when they went to b2b SB’s and woukd have won them both if Carrol didn’t go crazy and not just hand fthe ball to skittles!! But Russ has proven he has what it takes to lead his team to the sb, Tomlin has proven he can take a team to the promise land. As great alllen is him and his overrated coach have yet to prove it. IMO that means something! I for sure think bills would be Steelers toughest game to make it out afc, I know they have no fear of Lamar, I believe they match up really welll w kc. Who’s to say bills don’t fall flat on their faces before they even meet? I just watched rams light that d up, anyone who gives up 44 points can be beat! I still think bills the favs I’m just telling you be careful fading Steelers in playoffs cause they are built really well to make a run, doesn’t mean they will but dismissing them I think is being very foolish w your money. I been wrong once or twice before so maybe there a tiny chance I’m wrong here 😆 but just know this team is very well constructed to make noise!!
 
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