Week 13 Discussion Thread

[VirginiaCavs]

Nov 23 Tue 2021

06:00 PM
101	Buffalo	+6½ -110		O 58½ -115
102	Ball State	-6½ -110		U 58½ -105

06:00 PM
103	Western Michigan	-3 -118		O 61½ -105
104	Northern Illinois	+3 -102		U 61½ -115

Nov 25 Thu 2021

02:30 PM
113	Fresno State	-7 -110		O 51½ -110
114	San Jose State	+7 -110		U 51½ -110

06:30 PM
111	Mississippi	+1 -110		O 60½ -110
112	Mississippi State	-1 -110		U 60½ -110

Nov 26 Fri 2021

11:00 AM
115	Ohio	-4½ -108		O 49 -110
116	Bowling Green	+4½ -112		U 49 -110

11:00 AM
117	Eastern Michigan	+8½ -105		O 64 -110
118	Central Michigan	-8½ -115		U 64 -110

11:00 AM
119	Boise State	-2½ -115		O 44 -105
120	San Diego State	+2½ -105		U 44 -115

11:00 AM
121	Kansas State	+1½ -115		O 52 -110
122	Texas	-1½ -105		U 52 -110

12:00 PM
123	Utah State	-15½ -115		O 49½ -110
124	New Mexico	+15½ -105		U 49½ -110

12:30 PM
125	Iowa	+3½ -110		O 44½ -110
126	Nebraska	-3½ -110		U 44½ -110

01:00 PM
127	UTEP	+13 -110		O 49 -110
128	UAB	-13 -110		U 49 -110

02:30 PM
131	Missouri	+14 -110		O 63 -110
132	Arkansas	-14 -110		U 63 -110

02:30 PM
133	South Florida	+18 -115		O 62 -110
134	Central Florida+1 Markets	-18 -105		U 62 -110

02:30 PM
135	Coastal Carolina	-14½ -110		O 57 -110
136	South Alabama+1 Markets	+14½ -110		U 57 -110

02:30 PM
137	UNLV	+18 -115		O 48½ -115
138	Air Force	-18 -105		U 48½ -105

03:00 PM
143	Colorado	+24 -115		O 52½ -110
144	Utah+1 Markets	-24 -105		U 52½ -110

03:30 PM
139	TCU	+14 -115		O 57½ -115
140	Iowa State+1 Markets	-14 -105		U 57½ -105

06:00 PM
129	North Carolina	+7 -120		O 63 -115
130	NC State+1 Markets	-7 +100		U 63 -105

07:00 PM
141	Washington State	-1 -110		O 43½ -110
142	Washington+1 Markets	+1 -110		U 43½ -110

Nov 27 Sat 2021

11:00 AM
145	Ohio State	-7½ -110		O 62½ -110
146	Michigan	+7½ -110		U 62½ -110

11:00 AM
147	Army	+3½ -105		O 53½ -110
148	Liberty+1 Markets	-3½ -115		U 53½ -110

11:00 AM
159	Navy	-13 -120		O 44½ -110
160	Temple+1 Markets	+13 +100		U 44½ -110

11:00 AM
161	Wake Forest	-4 -105		O 65 -105
162	Boston College	+4 -115		U 65 -115

11:00 AM
167	Houston	-32 -110		O 57½ -110
168	Connecticut	+32 -110		U 57½ -110

11:00 AM
169	Maryland	pk -115		O 52½ -110
170	Rutgers+1 Markets	pk -105		U 52½ -110

11:00 AM
171	Georgia	-35 -110		O 54½ -110
172	Georgia Tech+1 Markets	+35 -110		U 54½ -110

11:00 AM
179	Akron	+27½ -105		O 57 -105
180	Toledo+1 Markets	-27½ -115		U 57 -115

11:00 AM
181	Texas Tech	+14 -110		O 52 -110
182	Baylor+1 Markets	-14 -110		U 52 -110

11:00 AM
185	Miami Ohio	pk -110		O 63½ -115
186	Kent State+1 Markets	pk -110		U 63½ -105

11:00 AM
225	Florida State	+2½ -110		O 57½ -115
226	Florida	-2½ -110		U 57½ -105

11:30 AM
151	Miami Florida	-21 -120		O 69 -115
152	Duke+1 Markets	+21 +100		U 69 -105

12:00 PM
187	Louisiana Tech	-3½ -110		O 53½ -105
188	Rice	+3½ -110		U 53½ -115

01:00 PM
153	Troy	+6½ -105		O 51 -110
154	Georgia State+1 Markets	-6½ -115		U 51 -110

01:00 PM
189	UTSA	-12 -110		O 59 -110
190	North Texas	+12 -110		U 59 -110

01:00 PM
193	Charlotte	+9½ -104		O 55½ -110
194	Old Dominion	-9½ -116		U 55½ -110

01:00 PM
231	Texas State	+2 -110		O 61½ -110
232	Arkansas State	-2 -110		U 61½ -110

01:30 PM
197	Georgia Southern	+24½ -110		O 55½ -110
198	Appalachian State	-24½ -110		U 55½ -110

02:00 PM
195	Massachusetts	+6 -110		O 59½ -110
196	New Mexico State+1 Markets	-6 -110		U 59½ -110

02:00 PM
205	Florida International	+10 -110		O 46 -110
206	Southern Miss	-10 -110		U 46 -110

02:00 PM
209	Hawaii	+10 -110		O 48 -110
210	Wyoming	-10 -110		U 48 -110

02:30 PM
155	Cincinnati	-14 -110		O 57 -115
156	East Carolina	+14 -110		U 57 -105

02:30 PM
173	Indiana	+15 -110		O 50 -110
174	Purdue+1 Markets	-15 -110		U 50 -110

02:30 PM
177	Northwestern	+6½ -105		O 41½ -115
178	Illinois+1 Markets	-6½ -115		U 41½ -105

02:30 PM
203	Oregon State	+7 -110		O 60½ -105
204	Oregon	-7 -110		U 60½ -115

02:30 PM
215	Alabama	-19½ -110		O 55 -110
216	Auburn+1 Markets	+19½ -110		U 55 -110

02:30 PM
221	Western Kentucky	+1 -110		O 74 -110
222	Marshall	-1 -110		U 74 -110

02:30 PM
223	Penn State	pk -110		O 51½ -110
224	Michigan State	pk -110		U 51½ -110

02:45 PM
149	Vanderbilt	+31 -110		O 62 -110
150	Tennessee+1 Markets	-31 -110		U 62 -110

02:45 PM
175	Virginia Tech	+7½ -110		O 61½ -110
176	Virginia+1 Markets	-7½ -110		U 61½ -110

03:00 PM
183	Wisconsin	-7 -104		O 39½ -110
184	Minnesota	+7 -116		U 39½ -110

03:00 PM
191	Arizona	+20½ -110		O 51 -115
192	Arizona State+1 Markets	-20½ -110		U 51 -105

03:00 PM
213	Tulsa	+7 -115		O 62 -110
214	SMU	-7 -105		U 62 -110

03:00 PM
229	UL Monroe	+21½ -115		O 54½ -110
230	UL Lafayette	-21½ -105		U 54½ -110

06:00 PM
163	West Virginia	-15 -110		O 55 -110
164	Kansas+1 Markets	+15 -110		U 55 -110

06:00 PM
227	Texas A&M	-6 -113		O 45½ -110
228	LSU	+6 -107		U 45½ -110

06:00 PM
233	Middle Tennessee State	+4 -110		O 50½ -105
234	Florida Atlantic	-4 -110		U 50½ -115

06:30 PM
157	Pittsburgh	-10 -115		O 59½ -110
158	Syracuse+1 Markets	+10 -105		U 59½ -110

06:30 PM
165	Kentucky	+3 -105		O 57 -110
166	Louisville+1 Markets	-3 -115		U 57 -110

06:30 PM
211	Oklahoma	+3 -107		O 52½ -105
212	Oklahoma State+1 Markets	-3 -113		U 52½ -115

06:30 PM
217	Tulane	+7 -125		O 58½ -105
218	Memphis	-7 +105		U 58½ -115

06:30 PM
219	Clemson	-11 -115		O 43 -110
220	South Carolina	+11 -105		U 43 -110

07:00 PM
207	Notre Dame	-17 -115		O 53 -110
208	Stanford	+17 -105		U 53 -110

08:00 PM
235	Nevada	-5½ -105		O 56½ -110
236	Colorado State	+5½ -115		U 56½ -110

09:30 PM
199	BYU	-6½ -105		O 64 -110
200	USC+1 Markets	+6½ -115		U 64 -110

09:30 PM
201	California	+7½ -110		O 56 -115
202	UCLA+1 Markets	-7½ -110		U 56 -105

 

[Ticketwindow]

First glance I see Navy and Southern Miss. More of a fade of their opponent

 

[Ticketwindow]

First glance I see Navy and Southern Miss. More of a fade of their time

 

[Frank Costanza]

Oklahoma State all day.

 

[s--k]

NIU game is meaningless for them, clinched division play for MAC Title the following week

Washington State road favorite in Apple Cup! I'd take them

Colorado - Utah game meaningless, tough spot for Utah coming off Oregon with PAC12 Title game following week

Miami, Oh - Kent will decide MAC East winner

UCLA best be careful this week vs Cal! Could smell upset there

Oregon State needs to beat Oregon and have Washington beat Wazzou. If Ore St wins and Wazzou wins they would be 3-way tied with Oregon for North and Wazzou would win tie-breaker (is what I heard on ASU-OreSt game) Oregon wins and they win division

 

[s--k]

West Division​

San Diego State

• Win vs. Boise State = Aztecs finish with 7-1 conference record, would host championship game against Air Force, Boise State, or Utah State regardless of other results
• Loss vs. Boise State, Fresno State loss vs. San Jose State = Aztecs finish with 6-2 conference record, Bulldogs finish 5-3
  • Would host Air Force in championship game by virtue of head-to-head tiebreaker (see hosting tiebreaker 1)
  • Would travel to Boise State for championship game by virtue of losing head-to-head tiebreaker
  • Would host Utah State for championship game by virtue of likely advantage in composite computer rankings (see hosting tiebreaker 2D)

Fresno State

• Win vs. San Jose State, San Diego State loss vs. Boise State = Bulldogs and Aztecs finish with 6-2 conference record, Fresno State would win division with head-to-head tiebreaker in hand
  • Would host Air Force for championship game by virtue of likely advantage in composite computer rankings (note: this scenario is currently too close to call, so this may not be determined until the Sunday after the regular season is finished and rankings are updated)
  • Would travel to Boise State for championship game by virtue of losing head-to-head tiebreaker
  • Would host Utah State for championship game by virtue of likely advantage in composite computer rankings

Mountain Division​

Air Force

• Win vs. UNLV, Boise State loss vs. San Diego State, Utah State loss vs. New Mexico = Falcons finish with 6-2 conference record, Broncos and Aggies finish 5-3
  • Would travel to San Diego State for championship game by virtue of Aztecs 7-1 conference record
• Win vs. UNLV, Boise State win vs. San Diego State, Utah State loss vs. New Mexico = Falcons and Broncos finish with 6-2 conference record; Air Force would win two-team tiebreaker with head-to-head in hand
  • Would travel to San Diego State for championship game by virtue of losing head-to-head tiebreaker
  • Would travel to Fresno State for championship game by virtue of likely disadvantage in composite computer rankings (note: this scenario is currently too close to call, so this may not be determined until the Sunday after the regular season is finished and rankings are updated)
• Win vs. UNLV, Boise State win vs. San Diego State, Utah State win vs. New Mexico = Falcons, Broncos, and Aggies finish with 6-2 conference record and 1-1 record against each other; Utah State eliminated in three-team tiebreaker B with two division losses; Air Force would win two-team tiebreaker over Boise State with head-to-head in hand
  • Would travel to San Diego State for championship game by virtue of losing head-to-head tiebreaker
  • Would travel to Fresno State for championship game by virtue of likely disadvantage in composite computer rankings (note: this scenario is currently too close to call, so this may not be determined until the Sunday after the regular season is finished and rankings are updated)
• Loss vs. UNLV, Boise State loss vs. San Diego State, Utah State loss vs. New Mexico = Falcons, Broncos, and Aggies finish with 5-3 conference record and 1-1 record against each other; Utah State eliminated in three-team tiebreaker B with three division losses; Air Force would win two-team tiebreaker over Boise State with head-to-head in hand
  • Would travel to San Diego State or Fresno State for championship game by virtue of conference record (Aztecs 7-1 or Bulldogs 6-2)

Boise State

• Win vs. San Diego State, Air Force loss vs. UNLV, Utah State loss vs. New Mexico = Broncos finish with 6-2 conference record, Falcons and Aggies finish 5-3
  • Would host San Diego State or Fresno State by virtue of head-to-head tiebreaker
• Win vs. San Diego State, Air Force loss vs. UNLV, Utah State win vs. New Mexico = Broncos and Aggies finish with 6-2 conference record, Boise State would win two-team tiebreaker with head-to-head in hand
  • Would host San Diego State or Fresno State in championship game by virtue of head-to-head tiebreaker

Utah State

• Win vs. New Mexico, Air Force loss vs. UNLV, Boise State loss vs. San Diego State = Aggies finish with 6-2 conference record, Falcons and Broncos would finish 5-3
  • Would travel to San Diego State for championship game by virtue of Aztecs 7-1 conference record
• Win vs. New Mexico, Air Force win vs. UNLV, Boise State loss vs. San Diego State = Aggies and Falcons finish with 6-2 conference record, Utah State would win two-team tiebreaker with head-to-head in hand
  • Would travel to San Diego State for championship game by virtue of Aztecs 7-1 conference record

 

[s--k]

This would be a chance for Syracuse since Pitt in sandwich of clinching div with title game on deck. I just can't make sense of that happened with Cuse since their late season bye.

 

[M.W.]

Nor can I.

 

[M.W.]

I've been disparaging and fading Iowa for 6 or 7 weeks. Now I think they might be a great play as a dog. They're +4.5 at Heritage, and that looks pretty good to me.

 

[M.W.]

Kansas +15.5. Leipold is a miracle-worker. It was impressive that the Jayhawks were ready to go yesterday after the big upset. WVU just beat Texas (too), and another win makes them bowl-eligible, but winning by 7 or 14 is good enough for them. It was only 29-24 the last time they were in Lawrence.

 

[Two Utes]

NIU game is meaningless for them, clinched division play for MAC Title the following week

Washington State road favorite in Apple Cup! I'd take them

Colorado - Utah game meaningless, tough spot for Utah coming off Oregon with PAC12 Title game following week

Miami, Oh - Kent will decide MAC East winner

UCLA best be careful this week vs Cal! Could smell upset there

Oregon State needs to beat Oregon and have Washington beat Wazzou. If Ore St wins and Wazzou wins they would be 3-way tied with Oregon for North and Wazzou would win tie-breaker (is what I heard on ASU-OreSt game) Oregon wins and they win division

I'd take CU +24. That being said, Utah will still play to win this game I just don't think they care by how much. They also want to keep everyone healthy, they may even hold Thomas out as he played last night hurt.

 

[2daBank]

NIU game is meaningless for them, clinched division play for MAC Title the following week

Washington State road favorite in Apple Cup! I'd take them

Colorado - Utah game meaningless, tough spot for Utah coming off Oregon with PAC12 Title game following week

Miami, Oh - Kent will decide MAC East winner

UCLA best be careful this week vs Cal! Could smell upset there

Oregon State needs to beat Oregon and have Washington beat Wazzou. If Ore St wins and Wazzou wins they would be 3-way tied with Oregon for North and Wazzou would win tie-breaker (is what I heard on ASU-OreSt game) Oregon wins and they win division

I feel like Ducks mo now that they blew their chance at playoff is to play well this week. I play beavers a lot in this game but I’m used to getting a lot more than 7 points!

 

[2daBank]

Kansas +15.5. Leipold is a miracle-worker. It was impressive that the Jayhawks were ready to go yesterday after the big upset. WVU just beat Texas (too), and another win makes them bowl-eligible, but winning by 7 or 14 is good enough for them. It was only 29-24 the last time they were in Lawrence.

I took the points vs tcu but dunno I’m feeling it again, not looking to back wvu either, there just a lot of games I like better.

 

[2daBank]

How is k-st dogged fo texas? Something smells about that!! Who the hell betting texas at this point?

 

[2daBank]

How can ya take Nebraska when they pretty much have to win to cash? Don’t get me wrong I’ve loved backing corn as dogs to good teams this year but they not getting enough to matter here. We expect them to beat a team who thrives on opponents mistakes? Corn gonna make mistakes! It what they do.

 

[2daBank]

fsu feels same as k-st to me. Getting the team still competing as dogs to teams that have seemingly quit. I’m positive noles wanna go to a bowl and gators couldnt care less.

 

[2daBank]

I thought it was crazy pitt was laying 14.5 to Uva last week. This week only laying -13 is a gift! This a awful matchup for cuse. That qb can’t throw and you not gonna line up and beat pitt on the ground, especially w no threat of a pass game! This gonna be blowout city imo.

 

[Brewers888]

Mario has one foot out the door and Oregon just won't have the motivation after losing their chance at the playoffs. Oregon State will be the hungrier team with the better coach. The Beavers win this one outright.

 

[2daBank]

Mario has one foot out the door and Oregon just won't have the motivation after losing their chance at the playoffs. Oregon State will be the hungrier team with the better coach. The Beavers win this one outright.

ducks blow their chance at playoff every year, im sure they still want to win the pac12

 

[M.W.]

I thought it was crazy pitt was laying 14.5 to Uva last week. This week only laying -13 is a gift! This a awful matchup for cuse. That qb can’t throw and you not gonna line up and beat pitt on the ground, especially w no threat of a pass game! This gonna be blowout city imo.

Last week, I thought the line was based on Armstrong being out. If I knew he was going to play, I'd have been all over that. You're right about the matchup this week -- Pitt can stop Syracuse's offense.

 

[2daBank]

Last week, I thought the line was based on Armstrong being out. If I knew he was going to play, I'd have been all over that. You're right about the matchup this week -- Pitt can stop Syracuse's offense.

i just closed my eyes and trusted he would play, lol. everything i had heard is he could have played vs ND the week before so knew deep down he wasnt missing that one, i was more worried he get knocked out the game then pitt pull away.. i wondered bout what line said far as him as well but then i thought bout how big a favs putt was against mia and thought it fell in line, decided if they knew he wasnt playing line woulda been more like 17.5.

far as this week goes, there no chance cuse scoring much imo, that qb of theirs one the worst passers ive seen this year, he good in the run game but pretty confident they not scoring much on the ground against pitt d, you gotta throw on them to have success and not sure he capable? pretty sure he not! lol.. it doesnt get any better for cuse on the other side either, their defensive strengths been getting after the qb and run d, unfortunately for them pitt protect pickett really well and while they stay balanced they dont rely on the run game to make the offense go. Long as we get their A game i think pitt wins by 20+.

 

[M.W.]

Would Babers consider playing DeVito?

 

[M.W.]

I took the points vs tcu but dunno I’m feeling it again, not looking to back wvu either, there just a lot of games I like better.

What do you like better? I'm not seeing very much. I like the Wake/BC over. I have angles specific to the two rivalries that tell me to take Ole Miss and South Carolina, but I'm not excited about anything.

 

[2daBank]

What do you like better? I'm not seeing very much. I like the Wake/BC over. I have angles specific to the two rivalries that tell me to take Ole Miss and South Carolina, but I'm not excited about anything.

im not really done with anything yet but just lean wise i like a lot, im sure some these will prob get scratched after i dig into more but: fsu, purdue, pitt, k-st, iowa, wazzu, okie lite, ecu, bc. utsa, army, wku, minny, couple totals, off top my head, lol. as i said im not finished with anything yet cause i been busy with nba props and ncc hoops. gonna try and get my card done tonight/2marro.

 

[s--k]

I thought last weeks Pitt line was high for Armstrong being out also. I checked Twitter 30 minutes before game and said he was full dress taking reps with 1s and reporter believed he was going to start. Point spread barely moved .5-1 point lower before kickoff at some places, all where still atleast 14. Weird.

 

[s--k]

Sounds Kansas St QB situation is bad if Thompson is out. I assume he is.

 

[s--k]

Would Babers consider playing DeVito?

He should

 

[2daBank]

Sounds Kansas St QB situation is bad if Thompson is out. I assume he is.

i guess that explains the line, i sure couldnt figure it out at a glance, lol.. man, i was dying to get some plus money against texas., lol..

 

[s--k]

I read it here, think aplous. I'm sure info could be attained easily online. It sounded like Howard wouldn't be the guy either leaving somebody else, I forget exactly.

 

[2daBank]

I thought last weeks Pitt line was high for Armstrong being out also. I checked Twitter 30 minutes before game and said he was full dress taking reps with 1s and reporter believed he was going to start. Point spread barely moved .5-1 point lower before kickoff at some places, all where still atleast 14. Weird.

i thought bout a lot cause i knew i wanted uva at that number if he played and i came to the conclusion it woulda had to be way higher if he was out. i obviously thought 14.5 was high but it really wasnt way out of line with some the other numbers they had hung with pitt so i wasnt too worried, of course reading how close i heard he was to playing the ND game and that he only got held out cause this game was more important made me feel good also..

 

[KJ]

How can ya take Nebraska when they pretty much have to win to cash? Don’t get me wrong I’ve loved backing corn as dogs to good teams this year but they not getting enough to matter here. We expect them to beat a team who thrives on opponents mistakes? Corn gonna make mistakes! It what they do.

Isn't Martinez out as well?

 

[2daBank]

I thought last weeks Pitt line was high for Armstrong being out also. I checked Twitter 30 minutes before game and said he was full dress taking reps with 1s and reporter believed he was going to start. Point spread barely moved .5-1 point lower before kickoff at some places, all where still atleast 14. Weird.

i did get a little worried after i bet it, got home and saw 15s at some places, that made me nervous, lol..

 

[2daBank]

Isn't Martinez out as well?

no clue, that might not help iowa tho, he the one im counting on to give the ball up! lol

 

[s--k]

Will Pitt play starters 4 quarters? If not they will need to be up by a few TDs probably to cover.

 

[2daBank]

Will Pitt play starters 4 quarters? If not they will need to be up by a few TDs probably to cover.

good question, maybe a 1st half bet makes more sense?

 

[s--k]

Isn't Martinez out as well?

Yes. Some weird name QB starting.

 

[2daBank]

Yes. Some weird name QB starting.

that makes it tougher to cap, lol, fuck,.,. my initial thought was just iowa thrives off turnovers and martinez will turn it over!!

 

[2daBank]

Oklahoma State all day.

think so too. if that freshamn qb wasnt ready for baylor d dunno how he deal with this one?

 

[2daBank]

Will Pitt play starters 4 quarters? If not they will need to be up by a few TDs probably to cover.

are they already locked into the acc championship game?

 

[s--k]

A freshman QB could turn it over. I look forward to a new QB just to see what Nebraska looks like from a curiosity standpoint.

 

[2daBank]

A freshman QB could turn it over. I look forward to a new QB just to see what Nebraska looks like from a curiosity standpoint.

no doubt, i just felt better with the certainty i felt they would turn martinez over, lol..

 

[s--k]

are they already locked into the acc championship game?

Yes. Pitt won coastal for sure. Atlantic is up for grabs.

 

[2daBank]

Yes. Pitt won coastal for sure. Atlantic is up for grabs.

1st half prob a smarter idea then,,, i wonder if we will get a true half line or if it be shaded that way with that thinking in mind? guess i have some more reading to do tonight, lol.. is this a big rivalry? are they playing for a jug or cup or anything? lol

 

[s--k]

It's not a rivalry in the sense that I think of them, but Pitt and Cuse have had some weird and crazy games as I recall.

 

[2daBank]

It's not a rivalry in the sense that I think of them, but Pitt and Cuse have had some weird and crazy games as I recall.

if pitt gives a shit i just dont see how cuse moves the ball on them? that qb of theirs a terrible passer, i think pitt front 7 way too good for a team without a passing threat to run on them..

 

[M.W.]

are they already locked into the acc championship game?

Yes

 

[M.W.]

It's not a rivalry in the sense that I think of them, but Pitt and Cuse have had some weird and crazy games as I recall.

They did play the only 74-62 football game ever a few years ago.

 

[s--k]

Virginia Tech has started 5 different QBs the last 5 years in the Commonwealth Cup. Might start 6th different one this year.

 

[s--k]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1462852188435357698

Kansas State O goes run heavy with Howard, will this Texas team want to tackle him? K St just doesn't want him passing.

 

[s--k]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1463206246681481216

Johnson has had some huge games this year