Vegas Lines way way Off on BOWLS

Sammy Meatballs

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How can Sammy make such a ridiculous comment like this, but it is true the bowl lines are way off. VEGAS simply cannot set accurate lines for these games as there are way too many intagibles in these games.

Vegas is setting ACcurate lines on these bowl games as if they were regular season games. The line is set based on regular season performances. The only problem is that there has been a 1 month layoff which is affecting performances of teams.

Does anyone find it interesting how the biggest blowouts have been with lines 3 or less? Even more interesting is that the lines over a Touchdown so far have been decided between 3, 3, 3, 10, points. The lines and the games that are capped between one and 3 points have been decided by 23, 17 and 18 points? This tells me that the highest dog available Florida state is worth a look as it should be a close game possibly a 3 point game.

So what does this tell us, these so called experts in Vegas certainly should be able to set better lines on these close games? After all they are one sided. And the higher lines over a TD are set because they know the betting patterns of the public, and they will attract action on those games.

IF the results are any indication, the line is put out there on the basis of the regular season. The game is played. How is it that the highest spreads are the closest games and the lowest ones are the blowouts? This basically tells me because I am betting a higher favorite it does not really mean I have any advantage, in fact you a DISADVANTAGE big time because the game is likely to be close.

I think Texas had a huge advantage tonight, because of a line of -1.5, if Texas was -10.5 it would have been fair but not a great line, but the thing is , that is how a -10.5 point favorite should play, not like the BOISE's, Cincy's and Utah's.

What is the point of this thread. It is simple, there is easy money especially on dogs over a TD and Vegas knows this but can set the line high knowing the public will be all over it.

If we just eliminate the line and not give VEGAS all this credit that they know, oh this team is favored by -10.5 they must win. THe lowest lines are the biggest blowouts, should these not be the close games, but no the close ones are the ones with the bigger spreads.

THe line is set by VEGAS but really has no effect on the game, the team that wins on the field tonight was TEXAS, they were better and won this game. So your bet won, to bet a game by using Vegas, and thinking they will trick you, and trap you, they have already beat you because they get you second guessing yourself and tricking yourself.

I think we should cap what is going on on the field and not in Vegas. I had some good discussion with ETG and Sportsnut on the Texas game and nailed ASU's gameplan, in that I knew they had no passing patterns to the middle of the field and only have possession receivers. I think as a group if we can cap based on advantages on the field, we can pick some winners tomorrow also in Maryland gamea and the other games. After all the game is decided on the field not in Vegas.
 
just tell me what to bet sammy and how much

Lol I will when I find the next big underdog buddy! Like the ones that are more than a TD, because you are getting more value in those ones as score wise in bowls they are always usually pretty close. I don't find any value in small dogs unless they can win the game straight up.
 
It's not that difficult at this time because the large dogs are covering, same thing for the small favs. Just go with the flow until it changes.

GL!
 
Off 5 minutes of research I see Boston College and Oregon state favored by -4.5? Now why is this? Boston College was in the spotlight for much of the year, and was undefeated and lost to V Tech.

Oregon state beat some crappy teams in teh Pac 10, and Maryland beat Boston college lost to virginia by 1 and clemson by 13, beat nc state by 37. This is a quality team for sure, but know one wants them for sure. OREGON state will attract the action in this game. Ralph FRIEDGEN is a very good coach, he will have his team ready , they blew out Purdue big time last year in thier bowl game, Maryland is very very well coached.

Again they are setting ridiculous lines on teams based on regular season and familiarity. WHo is really familiar with Maryland? I am not, also MSU I really havent seem them play as much as Matt RYAN the heisman trophy hype and bla bla bla. SOme of these games and lines are funny and the results are so predictable in these bowl games.
 
It's not that difficult at this time because the large dogs are covering, same thing for the small favs. Just go with the flow until it changes.

GL!

No it will change, but what I am saying is it will help us understand and correct some mistakes we are making.

To summarize everything above if you like a team to win big find a lower spread ie Texas, FAU, New Mexico, don't bet a high favorite like kentucky cause they will falter, one or two may cover but most will fail.

Each game is independent, and each game can lose. Tomorrow I don't really see either Boston College or Oregon state as very great teams, and they are both favored also. They are playing 2 good teams in MSU and Maryland.

Favorites will start covering bigger numbers when real teams with real defenses start playing like the USC's of the world, with these teams playing now any one can win, that is for sure motivation is key, and will decide the spread winner.
 
What has this world come to when KENTUCKY is -9.5 over Florida state.

This is exactly one of those silly lines that looks like Kentucky will blow them out, not so fast my friend, Kentucky is no USC, they are okay but to lay -9.5 vs Florida State and Bobby BOWDEN a solid bowl team.

Now I have to check on these suspensions, but if it is less than 5 starters, what a gift this is. FSU is not afraid of KENTUCKY in fact I think KENTUCK will be intimidated by FSU and by the way they are laying -9.5, this is how they trick us. Unless those suspensions are to the entire starting O line, QB, running backs and D line , this is a joke. Forget everything, FSU has pride, speed, depth, talent, history, coaching, and KENTUCKY well they have offence right, offence with no D, that will not cover this line.

UCLA was in dissarray and almost beat BYU but that does not mean anything, what matters is that FSU has better athletes than Kentucky, straight up, and will be in kentucky's head.

FSU has most skill players and has top 2 tacklers on D, but it is okay because Kentucky has lost the cover already, we will see a team FSU rise to the occassion here and come together and fight under adversity. I am not concerned with starters being out, because really all players on FSU are good, and they will be future starters, i would rather this than a lethargic team like ASU playing and not trying. FSU will be plenty motivated under the circumstances and should make this a one possession game.
 
This goes back to the previous thread you started. Lines are based on perception the way to find true value is decipher how reality differs from perception. Like we did today saying ASU was a fraud and there offense wasnt really explosive. While a young Texas team had more to gain then a team that felt it was shafted twice. So while the results may seem odd Vegas knows what they are doing. Remember the understanding the betting public's patterns? Well the day started out with Texas laying 2.5 and finished with them at -1. I think you can agree Vegas / sportsbooks did fairly well on this game..enough ASU action to move the line 1.5 pts. Then factor the whole ASU is this great 2nd H comeback team and you wonder how many were enticed into laying ASU -3 2nd H at ++ money. So regardless of any connections we can draw the oddsmakers are doing well.

The thing with Bowl Games is for the most part until you get to the real important ones they are basically glorified Exhibition games. The big name programs cant gain much and dont show up with something to prove. We see it every year. Think about it like this every year MLB sends some All Stars to tour Japan vs the Japanese league teams. Who do you think has more incentive to win and play hard ?? The guys trying to prove they are on the same level .Same thing with the Bowls . Win or lose Boise State is going to walk away the day before and the day after thinking they were the better team.

So alot of the big dogs always tend to falter in Bowls cause you just have so much more to gain and more motivation from the underdog.

While with small dogs your gonna have some distorted views on the teams involved. One team will appear better then it is and one team worse.

Really it all boilds down to looking at the matchups as indivual events and using logic.
 
FSU has a ton of suspensions and really if they are that shorthanded then 10 points isnt much . Bigger programs have more depth . To late to look at games see you guy stmrw!
 
Maryland looks very tasty to me right now. RALPH FRIEGEN has won his last 3 bowl games by a score of 95-17

Oregon state lost in blowouts to UCLA and Cincy and lost to ASU by 12.

Maryland was very competitive all year and Ralph F is one of the real Good coaches in this game, he is no ERICSON. I don't know how Maryland is not favored here this line is way off.

maryland beat Rutgers by 10 on road, GTECH at home by 2, boston college at home by 7, and NC state by 37 on the road, losses were to West VIRGINIA by 17 , by 7 at wake forest, 1 at home to Virginia, 13 at home to Clemson.

This line is off, Maryland is the better team here, folks and they will be ready, I learned the hard way last year going against FRIEDGEN is suicide in the bowls, he crushes teams, 95-17 the last 3. NOw he is getting +4.5 vs an OSU team that basically won their last 3 vs Washington by 6 blew out Washington state and barely beat OREGON on the road with a 4th string QB?? This has a Moneyline tasty feel to it, along with the points
 
Sammy, I couldn't agree more on your outlook on the spreads. I tried explaining it to my girlfriend who knows jack-shit about football & even less about gambling. The way I put it was that Vegas throws out a number & lets the gambling public fight it out to see which side is right. Any swinging dick could decide that BC should be -10 or +7 vs MSU. No matter what the line you'll have people arguing for each side.

Good write-up man. BTW, how's your bowl record this year?
 
I see terpsplayball viewing this thread
I would love to get a Maryland fan opinion on this one.

Thanks Sammy I had the points but you make an interesting point with the ML. I am either likely going to lose with the points or win straight up and with the points. ML it is.
 
Sammy I couldn't agree with you more on the Terps. Friedgen is a hell of a coach as Tommy Bowden has found out the hard way more than a few times. If not for James Davis' guarantee that inspired the team this year, Bowden probably would have found a way to lose again. You give Friedgen a month to prepare and he's going to make it a hell of a game...unless he's preparing for a MUCH better Florida team as was the case in 2001.
 
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