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Don’t Let Notre Dame Be Your Bankroll’s Trojan Horse in Primetime Clash With USC


No. 3 Notre Dame (11-0 SU, 6-4-1 ATS) at USC (5-6 SU, 3-8 ATS)


Saturday, 8 p.m. ET (NBC)




NCAAF Pick: USC +10.5




At a prestigious program, no single team wants to be the team remembered for missing a bowl game. Last year, the Seminoles became transformed with six losses and they won and covered their last three games. This year, they won and covered last week to avoid getting their seventh loss. In USC’s case, the Trojans haven’t missed a bowl that it was eligible for (they were barred by sanctions from a couple bowls) since 2000. With six losses, 2018 USC could be that team. Because everyone is dismissing USC, it is a tremendous value play with bonus points being added to the spread. Notre Dame opened at -8 and Irish bettors have already pounded it up to -10.5.

USC’s biggest change will happen defensively. Last week, the Trojans allowed UCLA to be more aggressive in its run-blocking. If anybody reached UCLA’s backfield, it tended to be USC’s secondary. A more concentrated effort from USC’s front seven will ensure results that reflect their ability. On the season, both USC’s front seven and secondary rank in the top 50 in havoc rate, a stat that measures the rate of tackles for loss, forced fumbles, and defended passes. The Trojans' run defense has mostly been solid even after senior linebacker Porter Gustin’s injury in mid-October because USC already grew used to playing without Gustin while he was injured for most of 2017. The Trojans held three of their next five opponents to at least .6 yards per carry below its season average. The one exception came against Arizona State, where linebacker and leading tackler Cameron Smith was likewise injured, and last week against the more aggressive Bruins. The Bruins’ offensive line is also exceptionally good because of its ability to execute pulls and engage defenders in open space. UCLA’s o-line ranks 13th in opportunity rate, a stat which measures how frequently an o-line does its job. 53% of UCLA carries accrues at least four yards.



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Notre Dame’s offensive line is missing two first-rounders, a position coach, and injured guard Alex Bars. Its o-line ranks 98 spots lower than UCLA's in opportunity rate, 111th. Its running backs get stuffed at or behind the line of scrimmage at a higher rate than 111 other teams. USC’s run defense ranks 20th in opposing yards per carry against ranked opponents, which it has faced three of. Stopping the run is important against Notre Dame, which runs the ball with the 42nd-highest frequency.

Notre Dame’s pass attack has also enjoyed a renaissance under quarterback Ian Book. USC’s secondary matches up well with Irish receivers thanks to its physicality. Notre Dame’s best pass-catcher, Miles Boykin, won’t have as easy a time as he did against Syracuse, whose starting cornerbacks are three inches shorter and not as strong as USC cornerback Iman Marshall. Third-year starting safety Marvin Tell is also a staple in the secondary with his range, tackling ability, and physicality. He ranks second on the team in both tackles and passes defensed.

USC’s offense is likewise loaded with talent. Aca’Cedric Ware averages 6.8 YPC and Vavae Malepeai averages 5.4. The Hawaiian led the backfield with six YPC against Washington State’s top-30 run defense and is always apt to break a big play. USC’s receiving corps is laden with big playmakers. Michael Pittman, with his speed and highlight-reel ability to extend for catches, averages nearly 20 yards per reception. Amon-Ra St. Brown was a five-star recruit known for his route-running ability. He and returning starter Tyler Vaughns have over 45 receptions. Freshman quarterback J.T. Daniels has developed throughout the year. He’s better at locating open receivers by being quicker with his decision-making and doing small things like looking off opposing defensive backs. He’s one of the nation’s leaders in 40+-yard completions and can complete some against a Notre Dame secondary that has largely been untested by the quality and big-play potential of opposing pass attacks.
 
I wrote this article purely because I think everybody (and every website) will pick Notre Dame. This hopefully offers a unique perspective. Tried to be extra concise because this is expected to get a lot of reads. The "actual" article version is like 200-300 words longer but I didn't cut anything out that needed to be said.
 
No more intro caption under the title because I now have to format it in a way that promotes my bosses. I am a CTG man here.
 
Reasons for Irish obvious: pounding everybody, need to dominate cause no conf championship, Helton on hot seat, USC 1-4 l5 ats.
 
Thank you Mr VC for posting what we both think is a contrarian point of view here.
The “Powers that Be” , whomever that might be, would love to have ND in the playoffs . So does USC get a fair shake from the officials ?
That’s my concern about investing in the Trojans.
 
Game is being played in CA, no? Should be a PAC crew, as we all know independent teams dont have officiating crews. PAC officiating is abysmal, so I would turn the finger the other direction. I would think they would rather have the Tojans in a bowl, for financial reasons.
 
Game is being played in CA, no? Should be a PAC crew, as we all know independent teams dont have officiating crews. PAC officiating is abysmal, so I would turn the finger the other direction. I would think they would rather have the Tojans in a bowl, for financial reasons.
I hope you are correct.
 
I'm sure you all have your favorite bet tracker. I don't normally look at them often, but did want to see how much ND was getting pounded. From Pregrame,
open line / current line / cash (93%) / tickets (88%) / picks. I don't know what 'picks' means.

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Simple spot screams USC. Needs win for bowl, of loss to UCLA, ND off curb stomping of (admittedly laughable) #12 Cuse in NYC...

I don't break down talent, I break down situations. Love me some condoms (no, I don't say that out loud)
 
I wrote this article purely because I think everybody (and every website) will pick Notre Dame. This hopefully offers a unique perspective. Tried to be extra concise because this is expected to get a lot of reads. The "actual" article version is like 200-300 words longer but I didn't cut anything out that needed to be said.


I am confused. Do you believe in what you write or not?
 
I think this article offers a valid and hopefully interesting perspective that will make all the Irish bettors at least rethink their position
I have no issue with your points. But you basically stated your reason for making the article the way you did and that becomes a practice of making the article support an outcome after you decided what outcome you wanted to write. Not sure I stated that in an easily comprehensible way (not a good writer) but I think your articles (which influence people) should reflect your true opinion.
 
I have no issue with your points. But you basically stated your reason for making the article the way you did and that becomes a practice of making the article support an outcome after you decided what outcome you wanted to write. Not sure I stated that in an easily comprehensible way (not a good writer) but I think your articles (which influence people) should reflect your true opinion.

I wrote the article this way with the assumption that everyone who is undecided will read something in support of Notre Dame and that everyone else will be on the Irish without second thought and would benefit from hearing an alternate opinion. Under these circumstances, in which one play seems super obvious to basically the whole world (see sk‘s betting percentages), I thought like I was doing something valuable.

But yea every other article I write (where I don‘t say this) reflects my true opinion. I just didn‘t see a point in writing an Irish article and so having a world with not only 5,000 pro-Irish articles but 5,001
 
Are you playing this game? If so, what side are you taking?

I really believe that the value lies with USC and that this team is capable of beating top-level talent (ok Wazzou probably isn‘t on Notre Dame or Michigan level but at least it‘s fair to say that looking at early USC games is unfair since Daniels so inexperienced. And USC didn‘t even have Ware against Wazzou).

I check google daily for news of Helton being fired.
 
I wrote the article this way with the assumption that everyone who is undecided will read something in support of Notre Dame and that everyone else will be on the Irish without second thought and would benefit from hearing an alternate opinion. Under these circumstances, in which one play seems super obvious to basically the whole world (see sk‘s betting percentages), I thought like I was doing something valuable.

But yea every other article I write (where I don‘t say this) reflects my true opinion. I just didn‘t see a point in writing an Irish article and so having a world with not only 5,000 pro-Irish articles but 5,001

I am not devaluing the points you make in the article.

But were I you (hehe), I would be inclined to write the article a little more plainly where maybe you don't make the actual pick but give a counterpoint to all the people who are betting Notre Dame .. make it a food for thought article or a counterpoint article .. but I wouldn't tell other people to take the pick if you don't believe in it.
 
I really believe that the value lies with USC and that this team is capable of being top-level talent (ok Wazzou probably isn‘t on Notre Dame or Michigan level but at least it‘s fair to say that looking at early USC games is unfair since Daniels so inexperienced. And USC didn‘t even have Ware against Wazzou).

I check google daily for news of Helton being fired.

Ok. I have no issue then as you believe in the pick. Forget everything I said.

I enjoyed the article.

Best of luck
 
I am not devaluing the points you make in the article.

But were I you (hehe), I would be inclined to write the article a little more plainly where maybe you don't make the actual pick but give a counterpoint to all the people who are betting Notre Dame .. make it a food for thought article or a counterpoint article .. but I wouldn't tell other people to take the pick if you don't believe in it.

Your pov is very fair. That‘s why I wrote what I did here. But my job is to be convincing and sound confident. I get assigned games all the time that I would never bet on. I think the diff between me and a tout is that readers understand that I have to establish a position on an assigned game. My editor speakings in terms of readers getting a perspective. So this is a unique one.
 
Ok. I have no issue then as you believe in the pick. Forget everything I said.

I enjoyed the article.

Best of luck

Did you mean to ask if I were BSing everything? That I definitely wasn‘t. It‘s just that i‘m supposed to sound confident. In reality, in all honesty, I hate having to be confident on Sunday, personally I basically always bet closer to the end of the week because I love to mull things over and allow new infos or perspectives to surface.

I mean it‘s hard to bet against Notre Dame. And USC kind of seems like a mess. FSU was transformed with six losses but does thet mean FSU = USC. No. But it does further the suggestion that we shouldn‘t dismiss USC. Really want Helton to get canned in case the players do hate him more. They probably have to defend him in public for sake of keeping up appearance.

Thanks you too :)
 
I'm confident that USC can and will take this at least to the wire, have stated my points elsewhere but I'll add that I really think they want to play for Helton for whatever that's worth (zero to me)
 
I don‘t think coach matters. They don‘t want to embarrass themselves by accruing a seventh loss. I worry Helton may still be holding them back in some way ??
 
I'd go complete flip side and think Helton may not give a fuck and let 'er fly this weekend. He's either gone or he's not, this game won't change that. Might see a fun USC for a change.
 
To begin with, I root for USC. Now after getting that out of the way, I don't see USC keeping this game close at all. The program has been on a steady decline for a long time. I blame Helton and his staff. I thought they did a terrible job with Darnold. I did not see hi progress and grow as a qb under this staff. I'm afraid the future is repeating itself with Daniels. I am not seeing him grow, learn and become better as a qb. I think the staff has lost the respect of the locker room. Sooner than later incoming recruits are going to notice the disfunction and they'll stop committing to the program. Perhaps I'm a bitter fan and I'm too close to the team. I see ND scoring often this weekend. I see USC struggling mightily to score. Two programs going in complete opposite directions. I can't imagine these kids caring whether or not if they're in the Las Vegas Toilet Bowl playing some MAC team whereas ND has every reason to impose their will and put an exclamation point on a fine regular season. Pains me to say I will be betting on the domers in this spot. If I'm wrong then I lose a bet and will be pleasantly surprised.
 
To begin with, I root for USC. Now after getting that out of the way, I don't see USC keeping this game close at all. The program has been on a steady decline for a long time. I blame Helton and his staff. I thought they did a terrible job with Darnold. I did not see hi progress and grow as a qb under this staff. I'm afraid the future is repeating itself with Daniels. I am not seeing him grow, learn and become better as a qb. I think the staff has lost the respect of the locker room. Sooner than later incoming recruits are going to notice the disfunction and they'll stop committing to the program. Perhaps I'm a bitter fan and I'm too close to the team. I see ND scoring often this weekend. I see USC struggling mightily to score. Two programs going in complete opposite directions. I can't imagine these kids caring whether or not if they're in the Las Vegas Toilet Bowl playing some MAC team whereas ND has every reason to impose their will and put an exclamation point on a fine regular season. Pains me to say I will be betting on the domers in this spot. If I'm wrong then I lose a bet and will be pleasantly surprised.

I heard that recruits were criticizing how bad the team is looking. I can't believe that Swann extended Helton's contract. Given the buyout that will surely be a regrettable decision. Becoming really hard to defend Helton. Nobody talks to Daniels on the sideline. I think his numbers show improvement and imo he's definitely doing a number of things better now than before, but it doesn't seem like they coach him up as well as they could. Frustration certainly makes sense.
I don't think USC cares about playing in a given bowl game, just think it's a matter of pride to make a bowl period. It's just something that every USC team does (barring the sanction years). And a matter of pride to bounce back after that loss to UCLA. Hoping your guys step up because I think the talent is there, I mean they've shown themselves capable of beating a top-10 team.
Irish not in the easiest spot themselves, have to travel to west coast.
 
Two programs going in complete opposite directions. I can't imagine these kids caring whether or not if they're in the Las Vegas Toilet Bowl playing some MAC team whereas ND has every reason to impose their will and put an exclamation point on a fine regular season.

Not much more to be said than this.

SC hasn't given a fuck about competing in years. The idea that they're going to wake up from their decade long slumber this weekend against a far superior and far more physical opponent so they can play in a shitty bowl that they don't want to play in (anyone remember that 2012 sun bowl?) just doesn't seem all that logical to me.

This is a soft, highly disinterested and highly dysfunctional program that couldn't cover a spread if their collective lives depended upon it.

I grabbed ND -8 and was shocked at that number. ND is only 4 points better than SC on a neutral? Please.
 
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I may be wrong but I didn‘t get the feeling that USC wasn‘t interested in competing last week. By looking at body language, like that of Daniels after he threw that pick which he meant to to throw oob.
Trojans are typicall thought of as garbage at covering spreads cause they always get overrated as favorites and let their opponent crawl back. Now we get to see them as a big dog. Couldn‘t believe that they wouldn‘t care about this game and opportunity
 
The school doesn't have a president at the moment. There are a bunch of things wrong there. How do you hire a head coach before a president??
 
Great point KJ. The disfuctionality occurring at this program runs very deep. If I were a parent of a sought after recruit with dreams of a future in this game, I would be pointing my son in an entirely different direction.

I'm not sure what the answers are moving forward, but the culture and perception of this program needs to change. I understand the buyout will hurt but I truly feel they need to make a change with the HC. He's a very nice guy and wish him the best, but I don't think he can right this ship.

I'm shocked the line opened so low this week. ND and Kelly have really impressed me this year. I just can't see them laying an egg this week with all they've worked for to get to this point. I get the whole traveling cross country angle and rivalry game double digit home dog etc but I don't see it making a difference in this spot.
 
Great point KJ. The disfuctionality occurring at this program runs very deep. If I were a parent of a sought after recruit with dreams of a future in this game, I would be pointing my son in an entirely different direction.

I'm not sure what the answers are moving forward, but the culture and perception of this program needs to change. I understand the buyout will hurt but I truly feel they need to make a change with the HC. He's a very nice guy and wish him the best, but I don't think he can right this ship.

I'm shocked the line opened so low this week. ND and Kelly have really impressed me this year. I just can't see them laying an egg this week with all they've worked for to get to this point. I get the whole traveling cross country angle and rivalry game double digit home dog etc but I don't see it making a difference in this spot.

Nice guys rarely win as coaches. Look around, gotta be an asshole/dickhead. That said, another nice guy is trending to USC in Franklin. I'd protest outside USC lol
 
Nice guys rarely win as coaches. Look around, gotta be an asshole/dickhead. That said, another nice guy is trending to USC in Franklin. I'd protest outside USC lol

Does Franklin being a dick undermine your theory? Does old coach we both like not being a dick?
 
Does Franklin being a dick undermine your theory? Does old coach we both like not being a dick?

He's not really a dick in the same sense guys like Saban are. He's more of a douchebag. He's a players coach and is nice to basically everyone but when he is trying to run up a score. Big difference.
 
Lombardi, Bear Bryant, Parcells, Belly, Saban, Urban, Paterno Harbaugh, Dantonio.......dicks

Always a few exceptions like Dabo or Dungy but you get the point.
 
Reminds me of good guy Osborne vs a-hole Switzer years

And let's face it, Woody Hayes was a true sweetheart
 
I just can't see them laying an egg this week with all they've worked for to get to this point. I get the whole traveling cross country angle and rivalry game double digit home dog etc but I don't see it making a difference in this spot.

This is a do-or-die moment. They dont have another game. Win this, party and relax. One more time mentality. Then they can reflect.
 
To begin with, I root for USC. Now after getting that out of the way, I don't see USC keeping this game close at all. The program has been on a steady decline for a long time. I blame Helton and his staff. I thought they did a terrible job with Darnold. I did not see hi progress and grow as a qb under this staff. I'm afraid the future is repeating itself with Daniels. I am not seeing him grow, learn and become better as a qb. I think the staff has lost the respect of the locker room. Sooner than later incoming recruits are going to notice the disfunction and they'll stop committing to the program. Perhaps I'm a bitter fan and I'm too close to the team. I see ND scoring often this weekend. I see USC struggling mightily to score. Two programs going in complete opposite directions. I can't imagine these kids caring whether or not if they're in the Las Vegas Toilet Bowl playing some MAC team whereas ND has every reason to impose their will and put an exclamation point on a fine regular season. Pains me to say I will be betting on the domers in this spot. If I'm wrong then I lose a bet and will be pleasantly surprised.
Appreciate this post.
 
Not much more to be said than this.

SC hasn't given a fuck about competing in years. The idea that they're going to wake up from their decade long slumber this weekend against a far superior and far more physical opponent so they can play in a shitty bowl that they don't want to play in (anyone remember that 2012 sun bowl?) just doesn't seem all that logical to me.

This is a soft, highly disinterested and highly dysfunctional program that couldn't cover a spread if their collective lives depended upon it.

I grabbed ND -8 and was shocked at that number. ND is only 4 points better than SC on a neutral? Please.

Well don't I feel like an idiot.

Nevermind that I got 6.5 points of value on the closing number.
 
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