Tuesdays OVERNIGHT Discussion

reNew Orleans · Jan 9, 2007

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Tue 1/9</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 701</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Atlanta Hawks</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> <input class="main_body_blk" name="S1_96461860_0" size="6" maxlength="7" type="text">

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</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:05 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 702</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Indiana Pacers</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> <input class="main_body_blk" name="S2_96461860_0" size="6" maxlength="7" type="text">

<select class="main_body_blk" name="selT2_96461860_0"> <option value=" 185 +111_0">UNDER 185 +111 </option><option value=" 185.5 +106_1">UNDER 185.5 +106 </option><option value=" 186 +102_2">UNDER 186 +102 </option><option value=" 186.5 -102_3" selected="selected">UNDER 186.5 -102 </option><option value=" 187 -108_4">UNDER 187 -108 </option><option value=" 187.5 -114_5">UNDER 187.5 -114 </option><option value=" 188 -120_6">UNDER 188 -120 </option></select> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Tue 1/9</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 703</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Detroit Pistons</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> <input class="main_body_blk" name="S1_96461861_0" size="6" maxlength="7" type="text">

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</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 04:35 PM</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 706</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> New Jersey Nets</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> <input class="main_body_blk" name="S2_96461862_0" size="6" maxlength="7" type="text">

<select class="main_body_blk" name="selT2_96461862_0"> <option value=" 193 -100_0">UNDER 193 -100 </option><option value=" 193.5 -105_1">UNDER 193.5 -105 </option><option value=" 194 -109_2">UNDER 194 -109 </option><option value=" 194.5 -113_3" selected="selected">UNDER 194.5 -113 </option><option value=" 195 -119_4">UNDER 195 -119 </option><option value=" 195.5 -125_5">UNDER 195.5 -125 </option><option value=" 196 -131_6">UNDER 196 -131 </option></select> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Tue 1/9</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 707</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Portland Trail Blazers </td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> <input class="main_body_blk" name="S1_96461863_0" size="6" maxlength="7" type="text">

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<select class="main_body_blk" name="selT2_96461866_0"> <option value=" 188 +105_0">UNDER 188 +105 </option><option value=" 188.5 -100_1">UNDER 188.5 -100 </option><option value=" 189 -104_2">UNDER 189 -104 </option><option value=" 189.5 -108_3" selected="selected">UNDER 189.5 -108 </option><option value=" 190 -114_4">UNDER 190 -114 </option><option value=" 190.5 -120_5">UNDER 190.5 -120 </option><option value=" 191 -126_6">UNDER 191 -126 </option></select> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#d0d0d0"> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Tue 1/9</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> 715</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> Cleveland Cavaliers</td> <td class="main_body_blk" nowrap="nowrap"> <input class="main_body_blk" name="S1_96461867_0" size="6" maxlength="7" type="text">

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reNew Orleans · Jan 9, 2007

just a quick glance... Dallas -1 seems too easy.

SportsNut · Jan 9, 2007

Before I go to bed thoughts...

First winning on the road especially as chalk is never easy. Especially when facing a quality team like Utah.

I know BAR is liking DET in Philly tmrw but I am quickly losing interest in the Pistons. Looking back at there past 6 games only see 2-4 with a 1 pt win over NJ , 1pt loss to Indy and tough losses to Pho and @ NYK...its not Billups IMO either....Philly with some rest where they appeared to start to gel as a unit...

Still not running to back Atlanta...line seems about right though +8.5 maybe +9 seems to have opened at 9.5...total is marginal but not expecting more then 85 from ATL so Under...

Not crazy about backing Tor away in spot where they must win however NJ is falling to pieces....but thought -4.5 was fair...so looking lite at the moment....

Spurs just stink as chalk and Portland is unpredictable but 11 seems light to me....have to think SA..

Lakers in Memphis have to lean Under ...especially now that the Over run has ended....not sure about a side...maybe the dog...

The Suns are beginning to look sharp again but this is to high for my taste might have to ride SEA again...

Well Dallas streak is over and Utah already smoked them at home. Tough to get revenge in an opponents house....thinking another under and have to see value in Utah....they were -1.5 and won by 30 because of Dallas hot streak they are now dogged...will not end up that way .....

Cavs are getting hot 7-1 last 8 while Kings off a couple of bad OT losses which means I will probably stay away from a side....no thoughts on the total......

Real good card to watch....BOL

tuck321 · Jan 9, 2007

Seattle qualifies for a BEST BET. Actual do not say that often in Suns game. GL

JPicks · Jan 9, 2007

I'd disagree that the Nets are falling to pieces unless I've missed something as far as an injury is concerned. Their wins over Chicago and Minnesota recently were good signs for the future. Ultimately I think this team sucks and the Raptors will own this on the inside with Bosh and they are athletic enough to hang with Jefferson and Carter. Kidd is a bit of a question mark as well with back issues. Hoping the total keep getting knocked down as I'd like to play an O 192 or so.

reNew Orleans · Jan 9, 2007

looking at the over in njn/tor and I think it'll drop from 194.5 because of recent results from the Nets. They've been facing some tougher teams on the defensive side of the ball than Toronto. Toronto's games have gone over 8 of their last 9 because teams have been scoring a 100+ on them with ease. New Jersey only scored 78 last time against them but that was without Richard Jefferson. just some random thoughts on it but just pointing out if this keeps dropping it could be a nice total to look it.

reNew Orleans · Jan 9, 2007

and JPicks agrees while i was typing, nice.

reNew Orleans · Jan 9, 2007

tuck321 said:
Seattle qualifies for a BEST BET. Actual do not say that often in Suns game. GL

I tend to disagree with this... If phoenix keeps playing defense against wounded teams then they could cover, but 14.5 is a lot. 219 seems a little high. Perhaps 1H over if you wanted to play an over, i just feel suns can blow this game wide open early and score tons of points.

JPicks · Jan 9, 2007

renew orleans said:
and JPicks agrees while i was typing, nice.

Identical thoughts, identical times. Toronto certainly isn't going to play D like any of the Clipps last 6 opponenets. Well except for Miami. They've been racking up 91 against good to great defenses and I see no reason they don't get to 100+ against the raptors. I really like the Raptors to stay close so obviously if that total gets down closer to the lower 190's I'd really like it.

BetCrimes1984 · Jan 9, 2007

My initial thoughts are

(1) even thou the *no-defense* teams readily feature in the 230/100-100 thread, such games simply arent "easy" to come by (witness only 52 of them for all of last years regualr season). So to basically need such a game for an Over result to come in (MEM-LAK) is asking a lot. Its one thing to get such a result, its quite another to need to get it, in order to win - they arent that common a result.

(2) The total has already dropped a point for UTH-DAL: it drops 1 or 2 more, and I'll be thinking Over.

(3) Sacramento totals have been flying Over vs everybody (3 straight Overs, and 2 games before that each under by 1 basket/scorers of 100+ pts in 7 of 8), and they've been losing copious amounts of home games (5 of their last 8/2 in a row). CLE might just be the right opponent for a typical 90 v 90/180s close fought battle Under.

(4) A large number of Dogs have covered PORs recent games (the Dog is SU 11-3 their last 14) A situation thats ripe for a few Fav results to reappear, in my experience (POR has lost its last 3 road games vs decent teams by 13, 23 & 10), and just because the Spurs broke their 3 game losing streak last game, doesnt lead me to think they'll be immediately back into a *sleepwalking* effort.

JPicks · Jan 9, 2007

BC...agree with the Cavs under play as I've already played it.

Got lost in your MEM explanation??? You like the under I"m guessing. Books are obviously trying to keep people off the over.

As for Portland, I'm almost leaning towards Parker being out tomorrow. Hip injury and against the Blazers I don't see any reason why Pop would take any chances with a regular season game. If I was Poppovich I'd rather have Parker on the back end of the b2b against the Nuggets than at home against the Spurs. Not sure it makes a huge difference, but food for thought.

reNew Orleans · Jan 9, 2007

why over dal/utah. just my preception of utah right now is that theyre struggling some what on offense and playing dallas won't help that out much. i guess this 3 game road trip could take a little more out of the defensively though especially after a big win @ San Antonio and then a let down at LAL. Tough one.

xpression syst_m · Jan 9, 2007

I liked jazz a lot last time they played mavs in SLC, but not tomorrow, may take a shot with dallas. other leans are lakers and cavs ml's, college looks great tomorrow though

BetCrimes1984 · Jan 9, 2007

Utah has broken 90 in 7 straight home games, scored 101 v Dalla in their previous SLC meeting. More readily, Dallas has conceded 90+ pts after 6 of 7 losses this season, and Stackhouse is slowly getting up to speed with more games under his belt since coming back. Utah hasnt been playing well recently, which has seen their better opponents abuse their defense (HOU w/out Ming scored 100, SAS scored 106, even LAC scored 92 in SLC) - Utah's better defensive efforts against weak/er teams like DEN, PHI & POR means little here. I think Dallas gets their points in this revenge spot/off a loss, and I think as scratchy as Utah's form has been, that in a match-up of divisional leaders this will be a tussle. So many prominant unders for Dallas recently serves to mislead here, imo.

lfhlaw · Jan 9, 2007

I like the under on the Cle/Sac game but as Betcrimes said Sac has been playing alot of over games.

SAS-11 I kinda like them to cover because they play fairly decent defense (except for tha game vs Minn which I lost an under on).

I like Det-3 because of their defense too.

Phx-14.5 (vs Seattle) I think Phx may cover this. Seattle is kind of a free flowing team and they tend to turn the ball over quite a bit. The only problem will be Ray Allen and he hasn't been playing well either.

Might consider taking Dallas 1Q, as Utah on rest tends to start out slow...at least on the road. That's why they always have to crawl back into games (ever notice that?).

anyhow that's my take on these games, however, it's late.. 3 am here so I could have "fuzzy" logic.

tuck321 · Jan 9, 2007

Would like Detroit under except 76ers have had so much time off. Might still play that. Atlanta first quarter of course. Seattle is still the best bet available. I am hearing these "I think Suns might cover" thoughts. Leave them as thoughts. Trend Suns after b.b double didget wins have failed to cover 7 in a row. Fact to think about Full of themselves but not very good GS was the second home ats win and over this year for the Suns and the first one was the very popular Kings and Ron Artest. Fact to think about the Suns play Cleveland on TNT Thursday and then play Orlando in consecutive serious games.. Fact they did not simply beat and cover GS and Miami, that was more Crush and Rape and those games were preceded by the Toronto Second Half Gift. Fact the last 10 games between Seattle and Suns the 2 teams are 5-5 with equal numbers of overs and unders in some really fun games. Fact its been a hopeless terrible year for Seattle for reasons beyond their control which the Suns fully understand and they also know Seattle plays the Heat the next day. Draw your own conclusions but this is a Large bet for me. GL

The Farm · Jan 9, 2007

BetCrimes1984 said:
Utah has broken 90 in 7 straight home games, scored 101 v Dalla in their previous SLC meeting. More readily, Dallas has conceded 90+ pts after 6 of 7 losses this season, and Stackhouse is slowly getting up to speed with more games under his belt since coming back. Utah hasnt been playing well recently, which has seen their better opponents abuse their defense (HOU w/out Ming scored 100, SAS scored 106, even LAC scored 92 in SLC) - Utah's better defensive efforts against weak/er teams like DEN, PHI & POR means little here. I think Dallas gets their points in this revenge spot/off a loss, and I think as scratchy as Utah's form has been, that in a match-up of divisional leaders this will be a tussle. So many prominant unders for Dallas recently serves to mislead here, imo.

Like the over here too Crimes:cheers:

SportsNut · Jan 9, 2007

JPicks said:
I'd disagree that the Nets are falling to pieces unless I've missed something as far as an injury is concerned. Their wins over Chicago and Minnesota recently were good signs for the future. Ultimately I think this team sucks and the Raptors will own this on the inside with Bosh and they are athletic enough to hang with Jefferson and Carter. Kidd is a bit of a question mark as well with back issues. Hoping the total keep getting knocked down as I'd like to play an O 192 or so.

That is really what I meant now Kidd has back issues , Jefferson still is not 100% recently reagrravating his ankle injury but it hasnt really affected his play , they have lost Kristic , Collins has missed a few games , and they have Cliff Robinson back but I doubt he is in 100% game shape. Just seems like they might have to rely even further on Vince. They have played well past 4 more due to their opponents then anything...Cavs shot 65% FT , Bulls blow an 18-0 lead , Wolves 4th in 5 , and Heat lead at half shorthanded...

I am basically in agreeance just that is where I was coming from

Supersav · Jan 9, 2007

Utah +2.5 now

Raptors +3.5

JPicks · Jan 9, 2007

SportsNut said:
That is really what I meant now Kidd has back issues , Jefferson still is not 100% recently reagrravating his ankle injury but it hasnt really affected his play , they have lost Kristic , Collins has missed a few games , and they have Cliff Robinson back but I doubt he is in 100% game shape. Just seems like they might have to rely even further on Vince. They have played well past 4 more due to their opponents then anything...Cavs shot 65% FT , Bulls blow an 18-0 lead , Wolves 4th in 5 , and Heat lead at half shorthanded...

I am basically in agreeance just that is where I was coming from

I kind of figured you were talking about injuries after I thought about it for awhile. I'm not sure how you can back the Nets in this spot as Toronto looked pretty good with a full healthy squad. Kidd evidently has some domestic problems that he's been working on overnight as well. I definitely like the points. Hoping for more.

xpression syst_m · Jan 9, 2007

xpression syst_m said:
I liked jazz a lot last time they played mavs in SLC, but not tomorrow, may take a shot with dallas. other leans are lakers and cavs ml's, college looks great tomorrow though

must've been tripping last nite, thought lakers were the dogs, so obviously i do not like the lakers ML. i will likely donate more money to the books with the +1300 on the sonics

tuck321 · Jan 9, 2007

Suns win by 11:smiley_acbe:

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