Thursday 11/19/15 NBA discussion thread

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first initial thoughs I THINK GS ROLLS....lines high in CLE but they should win by 15+ esp after losing to det and bron callin out team that there soft and not hungry... prime time tv at home i smell a whooping.... BUT THIS IS ALSO A GAME WHERE CLIPS PLAY OUT OF THERE MINDS AND WIN.... cp3 and reddick still out?
 
I don't like this card.

Miami - Sacramento

On paper, there is no reason on earth to lay so many points with the Heat, especially when we saw Wolves winning them (destroying them in 4th quarter), while Kings since players only meeting won three straight before dropping the game in Atlanta. My line here (assuming Cousins plays) is no more than 6 points, but nothing from what I wrote here is new to bookies or public. Line really suspicious and that's probably enough for me to stay away.

Cleveland - Milwaukee

On paper, everyone is expecting revenge, so it's obvious that Cleveland couldn't have opened as 8 points favorites or something. On the contrary, if Cleveland were 5 points favorites in Milwaukee, playing B2B, you would expect 11 points line here, especially since Cleveland off a rest. But on paper, as we saw many times, great teams, many times don't care about revenge (just look at Chicago - Charlotte game) and will be focused on winning and moving on, especially off two straight losses. On the other hand, Bucks lost ATS in 5 of the 6 games they lost SU, so wins and covers so far go hand in hand for them, but at the moment, no play - though leaning Cleveland

LAC - GSW

I like the Over here, if CP3 is out and LAC if he plays. The problem is that we have no idea if he plays and in what form he is in. Obviously LAC really want to win the Warriors, for so many reasons - but not sure they can, surely not without CP3 (I think).
 
In my universe of course calling Cleveland-Milwaukee a Revenge game is fairly stupid.
 
Last GS is worth mention.
They were playing on 2 days rest. They did not cover. They had 20 turnovers. Curry had 7 of them. They are dealing with the ROPE and that is not easy The loss will probably be today or tomorrow.
Meanwhile as to the total. Assuming it goes over is assuming both teams are willing to do something not in their best interests. Maybe they will but over is not a possible bet for me.
 
Noles4life said:
first initial thoughs I THINK GS ROLLS....lines high in CLE but they should win by 15+ esp after losing to det and bron callin out team that there soft and not hungry... prime time tv at home i smell a whooping.... BUT THIS IS ALSO A GAME WHERE CLIPS PLAY OUT OF THERE MINDS AND WIN.... cp3 and reddick still out?
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Keep smelling. Unlike some posters at capping the game Lebron and his team understand that Milwaukee had lost their last 2 home games to Cleveland and that a team playing at home and winning by a small margin has done Nothing, They also know they have failed to cover 8 in a row and would like to correct it but Minor problem that on the 21 they are getting a visit from Atlanta who remembers a 30 point loss very clearly and that what they badly need to worry about is just getting into the habit of playing well.
Does that mean I am playing Milwaukee. Maybe but I can also pass this game. It is just something to think about.
 
I dont see how the clippers keep it close


better off playing crawford/griffin point props than betting on the clippers ats
 
Milwaukee may not cover. Looking over last year its a mixed bag. I see only 1 case where they WON and did not cover. As to the Clippers
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[TD="width: 4%"]POS[/TD]
[TD="width: 4%"]MIN[/TD]
[TD="width: 8%"]FGM-A[/TD]
[TD="width: 8%"]3GM-A[/TD]
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[TD="width: 5%"]BLK[/TD]
[TD="width: 5%"]PTS[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Austin Rivers [/TD]
[TD] G[/TD]
[TD] 41:45[/TD]
[TD] 4-7[/TD]
[TD] 3-6[/TD]
[TD] 2-4[/TD]
[TD] 9[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 13[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Jamal Crawford [/TD]
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[TD] 40:31[/TD]
[TD] 12-27[/TD]
[TD] 3-7[/TD]
[TD] 10-10[/TD]
[TD] 21[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 5[/TD]
[TD] 6[/TD]
[TD] 8[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 37[/TD]
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[TD] 41:56[/TD]
[TD] 14-25[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
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[TD] -2[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 8[/TD]
[TD] 9[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 34[/TD]
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[TD] 30:16[/TD]
[TD] 1-6[/TD]
[TD] 1-2[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] -1[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
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[TD] 38:23[/TD]
[TD] 5-7[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] 8[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 13[/TD]
[TD] 16[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 6[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 10[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Wesley Johnson [/TD]
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[TD] 13:01[/TD]
[TD] 0-2[/TD]
[TD] 0-1[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] -1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Josh Smith [/TD]
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[TD] 12:53[/TD]
[TD] 1-3[/TD]
[TD] 0-2[/TD]
[TD] 2-2[/TD]
[TD] -4[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
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[TD] 10:51[/TD]
[TD] 0-1[/TD]
[TD] 0-1[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] -9[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Luc Mbah a Moute [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 8:42[/TD]
[TD] 0-1[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] 12[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"] Lance Stephenson [/TD]
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[TD] 1:42[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] 0-0[/TD]
[TD] -8[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 14"]DND[/TD]
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[TD]TOTAL[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 240[/TD]
[TD] 37-79[/TD]
[TD] 7-19[/TD]
[TD] 20-26[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 11[/TD]
[TD] 31[/TD]
[TD] 42[/TD]
[TD] 23[/TD]
[TD] 23[/TD]
[TD] 6[/TD]
[TD] 13[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 101[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="class: datacellb"] 46.8%[/TD]
[TD="class: datacellb"] 36.8%[/TD]
[TD="class: datacellb"] 76.9%[/TD]
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[TD="class: datacellb, colspan: 3"] Team Rebs: 5[/TD]
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[TD="class: datacellb, colspan: 5"] Total TO: 14[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 2"] L.A. Clippers[/TD]
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[TD]Fast Break Pts[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Fast Break Pts[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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[TD]Points in the Paint[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]Points in the Paint[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
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[TD]Biggest Lead[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Biggest Lead[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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L.A. Clippers[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 96
101 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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[TD="align: left"] Orlando
Washington[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 99
108 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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[TD="align: left"] Dallas
Houston[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 110
98 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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[TD="align: left"] Cleveland
Milwaukee[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 105
108 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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[TD="align: left"] Philadelphia
San Antonio[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 83
92 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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[TD="align: left"] Denver
Phoenix[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 81
105 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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[TD="align: left"] Brooklyn
Golden State[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 99
107 [/TD]
[TD="class: final"] Boxscore
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They are a talented team. They have had 4 days to prepare for this game and GS is putting it mildly is struggling and is dealing with a revenge game the next day against Chicago. The situation itself has a lot of strength but its your choice. No crystal balls available
 
tuck321 said:
Keep smelling. Unlike some posters at capping the game Lebron and his team understand that Milwaukee had lost their last 2 home games to Cleveland and that a team playing at home and winning by a small margin has done Nothing, They also know they have failed to cover 8 in a row and would like to correct it but Minor problem that on the 21 they are getting a visit from Atlanta who remembers a 30 point loss very clearly and that what they badly need to worry about is just getting into the habit of playing well.
Does that mean I am playing Milwaukee. Maybe but I can also pass this game. It is just something to think about.
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good to know
 
You may be right. Not because of any revenge game but because they just have to straighten out their game
 
By the way
Clippers as a home dog 27-47 under since 1996
Clippers after 3 or more days rest 37-55 under also through 96
Covers still has no ref information but I have to think that 4 days included a lot of thought on defense,
 
tuck321 said:
By the way
Clippers as a home dog 27-47 under since 1996
Clippers after 3 or more days rest 37-55 under also through 96
Covers still has no ref information but I have to think that 4 days included a lot of thought on defense,
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From 1998 -to 2013 I don't even want to go back to 1996 they were doormats and there record was 571-939 how can that have anything to do with there game tonight as a home dog. I stopped at 2013 because that's when Doc got there. I would say most of the team that you will see tonight was under 10 years old. Can you tell me what relevance has that to do with there Home dog record.
I'm just here trying to get better and learn but you never answer my questions. Do you not like me I think it's a fair question.
 
tuck321 said:
They are a talented team. They have had 4 days to prepare for this game and GS is putting it mildly is struggling and is dealing with a revenge game the next day against Chicago. The situation itself has a lot of strength but its your choice. No crystal balls available
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I really do not think the warriors are looking passed the clippers to the bulls....
 
tuck321 said:
By the way
Clippers as a home dog 27-47 under since 1996
Clippers after 3 or more days rest 37-55 under also through 96
Covers still has no ref information but I have to think that 4 days included a lot of thought on defense,
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tuck this is meaningless. Clippers were the worst team in the league for a long time. 1996 stats? Some current players were 2 years old in 1996 lol.. What are you doing here man?
 
nbafan88 said:
I really do not think the warriors are looking passed the clippers to the bulls....
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No way in hell. The Clips are the Warriors most hated rival. They dubs even hate Doc. Draymond and Griffen hate each other. The rest of the teams do to. No way they'll look past the Clips. They want to do everything in their power to beat and humiliate the Clips, in their arena.
 
have a feeling that cp3 and redick might start with a last minute decision.... hopefully the line goes down... i'll be on golden state if the two are both in
 
Ease up on Tuck, people. He's giving us information and his perspective. You can use it or ignore it as you wish, but I appreciate his contributions.
 
The only reason I come into this thread daily is to read Tuck's stuff. I don't agree with him on some of the things he considers important when capping but I would never say a bad word. He contributes more than anybody else in this thread.

NBAfan88 hope all is well with you. Good luck buddy.
 
Gabe said:
tuck this is meaningless. Clippers were the worst team in the league for a long time. 1996 stats? Some current players were 2 years old in 1996 lol.. What are you doing here man?
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Some people believe trends have value, others don't. Personally I think most are just variance. A few have solid reasoning behind them and I will read thru a thousand of the former hoping to find ONE of the latter.
 
So let's assume that both gsw and the clips want to win equally, that neither is going to be more motivated than the other....which is what may be the case....gsw is on the road which doesn't seem to really matter to them and the clips are at home so 3-4 points to the clips...gsw winning by 15.7 margin overall and only allowing 98 ppg even though they have had large leads and could coast...clips dealing with 8 new roster additions and injuries to paul and reddick....i think reddick sitting and paul playing but we should know in the pre game warmups...clips have won their games without playing any d....i think allowing 104/105 per game....gsw closing in on the record to start the season and you know that they know it and it is on their minds....they may not know what day it is or who they are playing or if they lost to this team last time out but they know there is a record to be had....and for whatever it's worth i think they probably know that doc called them lucky last year...he recanted but it was too late....so all things being equal from a statistical standpoint the dubs should win and cover....maybe...there is also the great evening out that is the nba and they have won 12 in a row and they are overdue for a loss....thinking dubs 1h and under fg as i think both teams make an effort at d tonight...good luck to all
 
M.W. said:
Ease up on Tuck, people. He's giving us information and his perspective. You can use it or ignore it as you wish, but I appreciate his contributions.
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I don't understand it wasn't intended to hurt it's a question which he never answers and that's fine but I never seen people with such thin skin. He got call on BS and I might add ne got called out nicely. Let him keep on thinking and believing in the 90's that's being a real good friend to him he'll go long away. I don't care how he looks at a game but at least I give him something to thing about you guys give him nothing but Job Good. I didn't know people here knew everything so I won't ask anymore questions.
 
This Warriors team just had their best win in a long time. That was impressive. The team unity throughout the game. Draymond's leadership was huge in the 1h to keep the team focused. Can't believe what I just watched.
 
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