Saturday's Churchill card...

CollegeKingRex

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OK I am going to post some cut-and-paste stuff from other sites first.

I'll have my analysis later on after I get a few cocktails in me...

:cheers:
 
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Breaking Down The Kentucky Derby Field
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<!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Kentucky Derby fever has reached its critical stage and the only cure is to take two aspirins and go to bed until Sunday morning.

But why do that when Saturday's 133rd edition of America's greatest race gives us two brilliant colts in Curlin and Street Sense who will square off at Churchill Downs, not only against each other, but against long-standing ideas about where and when a horse needs to run to have him ready for 1 1/4 miles on the first Saturday of his 3-year-old year.

Right behind this pair are a host of talented runners, including five trained by Todd Pletcher, the Eclipse Award-winning conditioner still looking for his first Derby score. Many of them also are bucking old trends or looking to join new ones as they complete the myriad of routes that have brought them to Louisville.

Owners have reacted predictably, lining up to ensure that Churchill Downs' cut-off at 20 starters means exactly that number will run. For those with few horses in training, being a major player on the sport's biggest stage, surrounded by an ocean of 150,000 screaming fans and with a stake in what's rightly called "the most exciting two minutes in sports" is too much to resist. And for the movers and shakers in the sport's breeding industry, the wealth connected to a Derby winner is overpowering as well.

Soon, the desire to have a legitimate "Derby horse" gives way to desiring to have a horse in the Derby, regardless of how good his chances are, with the result being the annual mayhem of the first run past the stands. So let's give kudos to the connections of Cobalt Blue, Birdbirdistheword and Xchanger, three horses that qualified to run in the Derby but will not because, in their trainers' eyes, they had no chance to win.

Here is the field by post position with each horse's lifetime record (Starts-1st-2nd-3rd), jockey and morning-line odds:

# 1. Sedgefield 8-2-3-0 Julien Leparoux 50-1
If a horse making his first-ever start on a conventional dirt track is what you seek in the Derby, look no further. Most of his graded earnings came from his Polytrack races and the rest were garnered on the grass, making his Churchill Downs prospects most inscrutable. Sire Smart Strike is also Curlin's daddy, but this colt fits better in Friday's Crown Royal Turf.

# 2. Curlin 3-3-0-0 Robby Albarado 7-2
He's the favorite despite the challenge of trying to win the Derby without a race at two, a feat last accomplished 125 years ago and the equivalent of leading a team to the NBA title in your first year out of high school. He's obviously loaded with talent, but the competition he's faced has been meager and his inside post means he'll have plenty of dirt and other horses to contend with. A tough road ahead of him but he may be the superstar that can pull it off.

# 3. Zanjero 8-2-2-3 Shaun Bridgmohan 30-1
Trainer Steve Asmussen's second starter and another with a win over the track, he had every chance to grab the Blue Grass after the rail opened wide but could not quicken sufficiently to get the job done. The son of Breeders' Cup Sprint winner Cherokee Run tries hard every time and should pass a few down the lane but even his best effort may not be good enough to hit the board.

# 4. Storm in May 13-4-2-6 Juan Leyva 30-1
The stronger half of trainer Bill Kaplan's unlikely two-horse Derby contingent, he was second in the Arkansas Derby but, in fact, was just another horse left in Curlin's wake. Second-place money was enough to get him here though he's actually more at home on the turf. He's been off the board just once in 13 starts, a stat certain to change for the negative on Saturday.

# 5. Imawildandcrazyguy 11-2-2-2 Mark Guidry 50-1
A non-threatening sixth in the Florida Derby, this gelding made the cut after two defections earlier in the week and if he wins on Saturday it will be his first stakes victory. "It's a once-in-a-lifetime thing for the owners," said Kaplan, "but this horse has tremendous cardiovascular capability and the 1 1/4-mile distance will be perfect for him." Name your price.

# 6. Cowtown Cat 7-4-0-1 Fernando Jara 20-1
Another Pletcher runner and the costliest auction purchase in the race at $1.5 million, he took the path of least resistance to Louisville — the Gotham Stakes and Illinois Derby — after showing significant improvement in Florida. Though he won both with authority and has been training well since, the suspect opposition of those races make his record look gaudier than it is. Outsider.

# 7. Street Sense 7-3-2-2 Calvin Borel 4-1
The curse of the Breeders' Cup Juvenile champ and doubts surrounding the effectiveness of a two-race campaign are his potential stumbling blocks, but he has impressed everyone all year and his trainer remains supremely confident in light of a week of dazzling workouts. If a horse is ever to break the BC spell, it's one returning to the scene of his 10-length romp last October. Looks hard to deny.

# 8. Hard Spun 6-5-0-0 Mario Pino 15-1
Hails from Smarty Jones country and the plan was to follow that Derby hero's route to Louisville. It changed when this son of Danzig showed a marked dislike for Oaklawn Park but he regrouped over Turfway's Polytrack and has worked sensationally — maybe too well — since arriving at Churchill. Questions aplenty about this colt whose flashy record lacks a win against a quality field.

# 9. Liquidity 7-1-2-1 David Flores 30-1
A member of the Paul Reddam trio of contenders with trainer Doug O'Neill that was reduced by one when Notional broke down, his star was bright after a solid second in the Sham Stakes followed a similar effort in the Hollywood Futurity. But subsequent dull races in New Orleans and Arcadia have dropped him off the charts. O'Neill has always spoken highly of him but he still hasn't won a race since his career debut last fall.

# 10. Teuflesberg 15-4-1-2 Stewart Elliott 30-1
He is the most experienced horse in the race with 15 starts — twice the average of the rest of the field — but was unable to hold the lead in the Blue Grass despite setting a tortoise-like pace. His speed will have him in the first flight down the backstretch but it is hard to see this non-winner of a graded race hanging on for even a small share.

# 11. Bwana Bull 9-4-2-1 Javier Castellano 50-1
Trainer Jerry Hollendorfer said the Santa Anita Derby would tell him what he needed to know about this colt but his owners evidently got a different message from his fifth-place finish. Ostensibly sent to Louisville for the Derby Trial, he was scratched after a poor draw. The good news is he ran a career-best 91 Beyer at Santa Anita; the bad news is that every other horse in the race has posted a higher number.

# 12. Nobiz Like Shobiz 6-4-1-1 Cornelio Velasquez 8-1
It was love at first sight between Barclay Tagg and this colt and, despite his wandering ways in the Fountain of Youth Stakes, things have gone pretty much as planned for the pair. Funny Cide's trainer didn't come to Louisville until Wednesday — "I don't like to go down and mess around with that crowd," he said — but his consistent colt, who responded well to the addition of blinkers in the Wood Memorial, has the style and stamina to put him in position for a victory.

# 13. Sam P. 8-2-2-1 Ramon Dominguez 20-1
He is the least-fancied of the Pletcher quintet, having never won a stakes or a two-turn race but he had a very smart win over the Churchill strip as a 2-year-old, and his California form was encouraging. That may mean more about the quality of horses he faced there than his own improvement but it wouldn't surprise if he's in the first half-dozen finishers.

# 14. Scat Daddy 8-5-1-1 Edgar Prado 10-1
Thoughts that he was a miler were put to rest at Gulfstream Park with successive nine-furlong wins, including the Florida Derby in a time identical to Barbaro's last year — though over a slower track. He's coming into the race in the best shape of any of Pletcher's starters and, as was proven in 2006, a five-week break may be just the thing to give a horse the best chance of winning. Expect to hear his name called in the last furlong.

# 15. Tiago 4-2-0-1 Mike Smith 15-1
While others flaunt tradition, trainer John Shirreffs made sure to give this half-brother to 2004 Derby winner Giacomo a start before he turned three, saying, "I know all about the history." The colt looked like a poor relation until he stormed from behind to win the Santa Anita Derby and has held his form since. A horse with his pedigree and showing such marked improvement belongs on a few superfecta tickets at worse.

# 16. Circular Quay 7-4-2-0 John Velazquez 8-1
Another powerhouse from the Pletcher barn, his spring went astray almost from the get-go. Blocked by a fallen horse in the Risen Star, he rebounded in February's Louisiana Derby but was put on ice after his progress was deemed unsatisfactory. Pletcher, who has had great success with fresh horses, opted for the uncommon strategy of training him up to the Derby. It's a tall order but what a storybook way it would be to break his Derby drought.

# 17. Stormello 9-3-1-2 Kent Desormeaux 30-1
This fiery colt looked like a coming star until he showed signs of strain following a taxing spring that saw him twice fly cross-country to run in Florida. He's had five weeks to recover, will be reunited with main man Desormeaux and may set a more sensible pace since this field is wanting for speedballs. Staying the distance could be a problem but it's easy to see him with the leaders turning for home and getting a check is definitely within reason.

# 18. Any Given Saturday 6-3-2-1 Garrett Gomez 12-1
Starting out on the Tampa Bay Downs path like Pletcher's ace Bluegrass Cat last year, this colt disappointed in the Wood. Said the trainer, "He took the worst of it being wide around the turns but he really didn't polish it off in the last sixteenth of a mile. He will have to step up a notch to get it done." The flashy colt has trained well since and, after his big performance over the track as a 2-year-old last November, still must be given a chance.

# 19. Dominican 7-3-0-2 Rafael Bejarano 20-1
Is it real or is it Polytrack? The gelding's dramatic improvement this spring normally would have fans gushing his praises but a cautious approach is warranted because everything of note has come on the all-weather. That closing burst in the Blue Grass was mighty impressive but he's been just ordinary on dirt and it takes a leap of faith to see him duplicating the feat on Saturday.

# 20. Great Hunter 9-3-4-1 Corey Nakatani 15-1
The second Reddam entry and thought to be best of all O'Neill's Derby horses this winter, he was jostled around in the stretch run of the Blue Grass — just his second race of the year — but jockey Corey Nakatani didn't bother to claim foul because, he said, "I was beat." He still has his backers but no closing punch after a snail's pace is not a harbinger of success.

The Crystal Ball

In any race, especially one as taxing as the Kentucky Derby, the question of pace is an issue and it appears that this Derby, unlike most recent ones, lacks a horse like Sinister Minister, Spanish Chestnut or Songandaprayer, one that will take everyone along at a demanding clip.

That doesn't mean the race is likely to be stolen by a front-runner, since the vast majority of contenders don't utilize that style, but that a slower pace — 1:11 versus 1:09 and change, for example — will make it hard on the deep closers, or horses who find themselves shuffled back in the pack, to catch up to the leaders.

This puts a premium on racing luck, as always, and the best way to assure luck is going your way is to employ tactical speed to stay away from the bad-luck spots on the racetrack. Horses with this commodity are Nobiz Like Shobiz, Street Sense, Scat Daddy and Any Given Saturday. Cowtown Cat and Hard Spun also may vie for position in the second flight though the latter likely will be up with Teuflesberg and Stormello at the front.

I look for Street Sense to emerge from that group and, in his first start on the ground he relished last October, to put to rest a few Derby canards in the process. Nobiz and Scat Daddy will be on my exacta box ticket and Stormello and Tiago will be used in wider exotics.

As for Curlin, it will be a wonderful thing for racing if yet another exciting, undefeated horse emerges from the Derby and advances to the Triple Crown. But the obstacles he faces seem quite a bit more formidable and, coupled with his post position, look like too much to overcome.
 
1. SEDGEFIELD
Leparoux
Miller 50-1

Positives: uh?

can’t see Sedgefield getting evena piece of this Derby.

2.
CURLIN Albarado
Asmussen

Positives: Undefeated after three starts, he is the current darling of the
racing world. He won the Arkansas Derby like a good horse—sat comfortably behind a lone slow pacesetter, took control at will and drew off in good time. He can relax just off the lead and then kick. has run
Beyer speed figures over 100 in two of three starts. already won at a mile and one-eighth and the way he did it doesn’t give a good indication
of a mile and a quarter. trained by one of the top and ridden by a veteran jockey. is the 7/2 morning line choice. worked well in his final prep, but still an unknown.

Negatives:
He is bucking two very strong trends: 1. Since 1882, no horse has won the Kentucky Derby without first racing as a 2-year-old.
2. Since 1915, no horse has won the Kentucky Derby with fewer than four lifetime starts. probably will experience racing in traffic for the first time in his career against tough competition

Analysis:
If he wins the Derby off three prep races from the two-hole in a crowded, contentious field, he’ll prove he’s for real. beatable favorite

3. ZANJERO
Bridgmohan
Asmussen 30-1

Positives:
Already beaten by street sense, Circular quay, and nobiz like shobiz; has a steady, closing style,will pick up some tired beatles late. 2 wins in 8 starts, he’s out of his league.

Negatives:
See positives

Analysis:Back to cheaper races where he belongs.

4. STORM IN MAY
Leyva
Kaplan 30-1

Positives: on 4 of 13 starts.

Negatives:His trainer is 1 for 28 this year. Two of this horse’s four wins
have come on the turf. His biggest win came in a six-furlong sprint race. He has just one race with a Beyer over 90.

Analysis: Throw him out.

5. IMAWILDANDCRAZYGUY Guidry
Kaplan 50-1

Positives: Lost to circular quay and scat daddy, but beat the bum zanjanero.

Negatives: 2 wins in 11 starts—a maiden score and an optional claiming non-winners of two.

Analysis:impossible

6. COWTOWN CAT
Jara
Pletcher 20-1

Positives: won 4 of 7 lifetime stars, including the Gotham at Aqueduct and the Illinois Derby at Hawthorne in his last two. Some early speed, may fight with curlin

Negatives: has not faced top competition. John Velasquez, Pletcher’s main rider who has ridden ‘Cat in four of seven starts, elects to ride
Circular Quay in the Derby. Nuff said

Analysis: will need to do better than he has in the past, not out of the
question, but a stretch

7. STREET SENSE
Borel
Nafzger
4-1

Positives: 2-year-old Champ and winner of the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile by 10 lengths at Churchill Downs, only won 3 of 7 starts but never worse
than third. has the highest Beyer in the field—108 in the Juvenile. has earned over $1.5 million. posted a great work at Churchill Downs the week before the Derby and followed that up with a nice
maintenance breeze.

Negatives: enters the Derby off a nose defeat in the Blue Grass. In that race he spent some time ducking around in the stretch. not the best behavior for a horse heading toward Churchill Downs and a crowd of 150,000 people. His closing style may be compromised in the large Derby
field. He’ll have to get lucky to find a way through the pile.

Analysis:may not win, but the winner has to go through Street Sense to get there.

8. HARD SPUN Pino Jones
15-1

Positives: won 5 of 6 races, figures to be just off the early Derby pace before unleashing his best kick. hasn’t shown any inclination to fade in
the latter stages

Negatives: has not faced top competition. Hasn’t raced since March 24 and that might be too long a layoff

Analysis:Could be a longshot

9. LIQUIDITY Flores
O’Neill 30-1

Positives: has registered a 102 Beyer at a mile and one-eighth has faced stakes competition--three Grade I appearances.

Negatives: won only one race in seven starts. regular jockey Corey Nakatani has elected to ride Great Hunter

Analysis: Not this time

10. TUEFLESBERG
Elliott
Sanders 30-1

Positives: He has more experience than any other Derby starter with 15 races.

Negatives: has lost to Dominican, Curlin, Hard Spun, Street Sense, Great Hunter, Circular Quay, Zanjero and Scat Daddy, all of whom are in this race. has never won going further than one mile.

Analysis: passing on this one.

11. BWANA BULL Castellano
Hollendorfer 50-1

Positives: uh?

Negatives:Too many too go into, lead pony has to slow down for him

Analysis:Not a prayer

12. NOBIZ LIKE SHOBIZ C. Velasquez
Tagg 8-1

Positives: won 4 of 6 races, one of the most consistent horses on the Triple Crown Trail this winter. has faced top-notch competition, including two Grade I races, and never has been worse than third. Blinkers and ear plugs added last time out and he won the Wood. His trainer won
the Derby with Funny Cide. Nobiz has won two of three starts at a mile
and one-eighth.

Negatives:Horses who need blinkers and ear plugs for their best usually find tough sledding with the crowds and noise on Derby Day. never had a Beyer over 98. Scat Daddy holds a 2-1 advantage over him in head-to-head meetings

Analysis: tough horse to throw out, but my feeling is that he will have a difficult time winning, but he sure could hit the board.

13. SAM P.
Dominguez
Pletcher 20-1

Positives: has a win over the Churchill Downs surface. Blinkers were added in his last race

Negatives: only 2 wins in 8 lifetime starts and beaten by both tiago and great hunter.

Analysis: Another way to lose your poke

14. SCAT DADDY Prado
Pletcher 10-1
Positives: won 5 of 8 starts against top competition, including four Grade I races and two wins at that level. ridden by one of the top jocks
Edgar Prado (Prado won the Derby last year aboard Barbaro). won both of his races at one mile and one-eighth

Negatives: never earned a Beyer figure over 98. has been beaten by Nobiz Like Shobiz, Street Sense, Circular Quay and Great Hunter. John Velasquez, the jockey for Scat Daddy in seven of his eight lifetime starts, is aboard Circular Quay

Analysis: Count him in the mix will need more than his previous best

15. TIAGO
Smith
Shirreffs
15-1

Positives: same jockey/trainer/owner combination that brought you Giacomo two years ago, and this colt has the same dam; has won two of four lifetime starts and earned a 100 Beyer .

Negatives: inexperience (four lifetime starts) a negative in a large field in front of a huge crowd;

Analysis: Will lightning strike twice for the Giacomo crew? Not likely. But, it must be noted that Tiago did earn a 100 Beyer in the Santa Anita
Derby and figures to be closing in the lane.

16. CIRCULAR QUAY Velasquez
Pletcher 8-1

Positives: won 4 of 7 lifetime starts and over $1 million. ridden by one of the country’s top jocks John Velasquez; has faced top competition throughout his career. has a late-running style in a field of pace-pressing foes. He has won 2 of 3 starts at Churchill.

Negatives: has not raced since March 10—an eight-week layoff. When Barbaro won last year’s Derby off a five-week layoff the experts were amazed. Circular Quay has never raced further than a mile and one-sixteenth, tough post position

Analysis: has talent and figures off some of his best races. However, his
8-week layoff is a real concern

17. STORMELLO
Desormeaux
Currin 30-1

Positives:has a world of speed and should find himself on or near the lead in the Derby. He has Grade I and Grade II wins to his credit already and has won 3of 9 lifetime starts. has faced top competition this season. Also has been bet in the future book by that world-reknowned handicapper, Bruce Ambo

Negatives: His early speed could result in a killer duel with curlin that could ruin it for both of them. Too many pace-pressing types are signed up this year to permit Stormello to steal such a lucrative prize without a big fight.

Analysis: He’ll be around for a while. Kent Desormeaux will try to take
things as easy as possible early. If the rest of the field leaves him alone…nah, that can’t happen. Stormello is up against it any way
you look at it.

18. ANY GIVEN SATURDAY Gomez
Pletcher 12-1

Positives: has won three of six lifetime starts against mostly top-notch
> competition

Negatives:Beaten by Nobiz Like Shobiz

Analysis: a contender to win; Gomez will have this one a bit further back in the early going. He should be able to make an early move that will put
him into contention turning for home but then he meets street sense.

19. DOMINICAN
Bejarano
Miller 20-1

Positives: has won both of his starts since having an un-descended testicle removed during the gelding process. Backstretch rumor is that the operation has immensely improved his stride since he can now run without discomfort. defeated 2-year-old Champ Street Sense in the Blue Grass Stakes at Keeneland with a furious closing kick.

Negatives: He has had only two prep races this year. The Blue Grass was a ‘funky’ race whose outcome can be taken with a grain of salt. The field
walked early and sprinted home and most of the field was in the photo for
the win. Any Given Saturday and Zanjero, two entrants in the Derby have defeated him before, although Dominican did turn the tables on Zanjero in the Blue Grass. He has never earned a Beyer speed figure over 95.

Analysis: Did the gelding of Dominican turn him into a different horse?

20. GREAT HUNTER
Nakatani
O’Neill 15-1

Positives: defeated Street Sense and Circular Quay in the Breeders Futurity at Keeneland in October and got a Beyer of 101. has won over $750,000, most in Graded Stakes races

Negatives: only had two prep races for the Derby; has more seconds than wins—4 to 3—and that’s not the pattern of a top horse.

Analysis: will get merely hot and dirty on Saturday


Summary - will take 103-106 Beyer to win (average Derby win is 108,
this is not a great field, even a bum could get up to win)

Most Likely Winner: #7 Street Sense

Chance to Upset: #14 Scat Daddy, #18 Any Given Saturday

Others Worth Attention: #8 Hard Spun, #12 Nobiz Like Shobiz

Worth Trying to Beat: #2 Curlin, #16 Circular Quay
 
REX,do you have a copy of the program for churchill for saturday that you can paste so we could copy it....thanks if you can and good luck tomorrow
 
I don't have a track program for Churchill, I am just going off PP's from Brisnet...

Anyone else feel free to paste it if they got it...
 
Ive heard a lot about this street sense horse....Dont know ANYTHING about horseracing or even how to bet it but might give it a try
 
REx check out the crazy props they have at thegreek.

Heres one, weird.

<table border="0" bordercolor="#000000" cellspacing="0" width="620"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#003366"><td valign="top" width="120">5/5/2007 4:00 PM</td> <td valign="top" width="500">C's vs S's vs Any other Wager is on the horses who's 1st name begins with a "C", an "S" or any other horse that runs in the 2007 Kentucky Derby.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" bordercolor="#000000" cellspacing="0" width="620"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center" width="55">1801</td> <td width="300">Horse with 1st name begin with "C" </td> <td width="65"> +205 </td> <td width="200"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" bordercolor="#000000" cellspacing="0" width="620"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center" width="55">1802</td> <td width="300">Horse with 1st name begin with "S" </td> <td width="65"> +205 </td> <td width="200"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" bordercolor="#000000" cellspacing="0" width="620"><tbody><tr><td align="center" width="55">1803</td> <td width="300">Any Other Horse </td> <td width="65"> +135 </td> <td width="200"> </td></tr></tbody></table>
 
All sorts of weird shit everywhere. I have so many prop bets that I can't even put them all down....

Back with 8th and 9th race info shortly...
 
Rex, Thoughts on Curlin at 6/1?

I like this horse, something about him, call it a gut feeling.
 
Oh, Jimbo, you didn't play him. I saw that post and thought, 'good for you,' only to keep reading the thread.

Nice intuition anyway.
 
Oh, Jimbo, you didn't play him. I saw that post and thought, 'good for you,' only to keep reading the thread.

Nice intuition anyway.


My buddy called me and was gonna place it for me but I feel asleep and didnt answer...By the time I called him back,it was too late...Wasnt real confident anyway with it..But I told him earlier in the day that and he got it mixed up w scatdaddy..So he and otehr people he influenced all took scat daddy:36_11_6:
 
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