Santana to the Yanks Soon?

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I fuken hope so.

My ideal trade would be, Melky + Ian Kennedy + ANYONE THEY WANT IN THE FARM SYSTEM


We would be after Aaron Rowand to take over in CF if that happened. I don't want to lose Joba, I would consider giving up Hughes if we had to for Santana.

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I really really don't want to see Ian Kennedy traded... I have him in a roto keeper league, and his value would plummet then.
 
Cost for Santana is rising

Posted by Dave & Aziz Nekoukar November 28, 2007 10:15AM

If there's one thing we learned in our economics classes (well actually, this might be the only thing we learned there), it is the law of supply and demand. The Twins have the only Johan Santana around. And the number of bidders on Santana seems to be increasing. Low supply, high demand means the cost of the widget - er, Santana - is going to rise.
According to the Post, the Mets, Red Sox, Angels, and Dodgers are all pursuing or at least considering a deal for Santana. The Daily News' John Harper reports the Mets are ready to make their play for Santana. Harper says the Mets are desperate to land him, to the point where they might consider including Jose Reyes (which is crazy, in our opinion).
In a separate Daily News entry, Mark Feinsand and Adam Rubin have placed odds on the various possible landing places for Santana. They put the Yanks as the favorites, with the Red Sox and Angels not far behind.
There is a conflicting report from Newsday which says the Mets are turning their attention away from Santana and toward the A's, going after either Dan Haren or Joe Blanton. This is a strategy the Yankees should also pursue. If Johan gets too pricey, and all indications are that he will, Haren would be a nice consolation prize at a much more palatable price. Buster Olney weighed these two pitchers against each other yesterday, and reader 'ajw12345' kindly posted much of the text for those of you without an ESPN Insider subscription.
Jon Heyman discussed the latest rumors around Santana with Mike and the Mad Dog yesterday afternoon. He also has a new column up on SI.com that reiterates some of the same points he made - to even get to the bargaining table, it'll take at least one of the "Big Three" pitchers along with Melky Cabrera. For the Red Sox, it'll take thier prized untouchable, Jacoby Ellsbury, and one of Clay Buchholz or Jon Lester.
Joel Sherman feels no matter how painful it might be to give up some of their prized youth, acquiring Santana would be worth it. He illustrates his point using the Josh Beckett for Hanley Ramirez deal. Ramirez may blossom into a perrenial MVP candidate, but aces are such precious commodities these days that the Red Sox had to include him to make that trade happen.
Jack Curry of the Times points out that the prospects that will be included in a deal are merely the down payment. The team that obtains Santana will have to deal some serious cash to keep him around a few years. That being said, Hank Steinbrenner isn't concerned about the money he'd have to pay Santana, if acquired. He told Pete Caldera, "You can't let the money stop you. It really comes down to the level of players you want to give up." In the piece, Caldera runs a few different trade proposals by some folks associated with the AL, to which one responded, "If [the Yankees] are not willing to talk about Cano, they're probably not a match."
Hank says management is mostly in agreement on who could and couldn't be included in a deal. But the local media apparently is not. Kat O'Brien says that while the team won't give up easily on Cano or Chamberlain, that doesn't necessarily mean dealing one of those guys is out of the question. The Star-Ledger refutes that claim, quoting "a person with knowledge of the trade talks" as saying that, while the Yanks are considering Melky and either Hughes or Kennedy, Joba and Cano remain off-limits.
In addition, the Ledger report tells us that the Yanks would plan to pursue a free agent centerfielder if they trade Melky. Ed Price and Lisa Kennelly did some digging and found that the Yanks are interested in Aaron Rowand. Too bad they missed out on Ichiro.
We'd certainly love to be a fly on the wall in the Yankee front office right now.
 
If I'm the Twins, I don't deal with the Metropolitans unless Jose Reyes is thrown in the deal. I don't see Milledge ever materializing and Pelfrey has been uninspiring in the bigs.The Yanks and R.Sox offer much stronger and more proven talent than the Metropolitans do. Twins should be happy with Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and another above average prospect. However if the Red Sox were to relent on Ellsbury and throw in either Lester or Buchholz, then I would take that over the Yanks deal. Ellsbury is that good.
 
Music City, I agree with everything you said. Mutts don't have enough. I will say that I highly doubt the RSox part ways with Ellsbury and Buchholz just as the Yanks won't part with Joba/Cano
 
It sounds like that if the Red Sox want him that they have the best shot to land him, obviously all depends on whether they're willing to give up the phenom that is Ellsbury
 
it would be so much easier to wait for FA. unfortunately, the twinkies aren't gonna let that happen...and someone (NYY, NYM. BOS, LAA) is gonna have to part w/ some serious talent.

to be honest, i hope it's not the yanks. there are more than a few names i'd prefer they hold onto.
 
it would be so much easier to wait for FA. unfortunately, the twinkies aren't gonna let that happen...and someone (NYY, NYM. BOS, LAA) is gonna have to part w/ some serious talent.

to be honest, i hope it's not the yanks. there are more than a few names i'd prefer they hold onto.

you wouldn't be ok with melky + kennedy + sum1 in the farm for johan? i would def do that.

then go get rowand for CF
 
I dont even want to think of the Sox rotation if they land Johan....Thats all we fuckin need...A Red Sox dynasty...

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summary from NJ star ledger:


Mets outa race for Santana

Twins want Ellsbury from RS, Redsox unlikely to part with him

Yanks might be giving up Melky+Hughes if they want Santana which does bother me, Posada outspoken saying he would like to have Santana

Twins considering keeping him until trading deadline
 
And now Oakland wants to seek offers for Haren... we're seeing some big names on the market this offseason. should be fun to watch how it all unfolds
 
And now Oakland wants to seek offers for Haren... we're seeing some big names on the market this offseason. should be fun to watch how it all unfolds


definitely

and haren reportedly will come much cheaper than santana. (not the obvious contract, but in terms of what the A's want in return)


see BAR's other thread...
but these sellers are asking the world of the buyers right now...and that's why Cabrera, Tejada, Santana, etc haven't moved yet. bosox, yanks, halos, dodgers are all righfully hesitating at the lofty asking prices...
 
The problem with Haren (and I'm an A's fan) is that hes only got half a season his track record of really being an ace.

Other than that, he's been a very good 2 or 3 on a playoff team.

The Red Sox prospects are a bit confusing to me, to be honest. Buchholz and Ellsbury are clearly the flavors of the minute, but I'm not entirely sure that Lester isn't the best of the bunch there---take away the cancer scare, and he's got a clean bill of health-sure he's been choppy, but what do you think is going to happen to Buchholz next year? Lester is polished at this point and more ready to step in...

I'm not thrilled about the prospect of the A's dealing Haren because it signifies rebuilding, but if they can get Lester and a couple prospects, they might do that...


From the Yanks, I'm not sure. I'm not nearly as high on Ian Kennedy, and not much interest in Melky because he's never got the potential to be an all star, IMHO. I'd need Joba or Phil hughes...
 
If the Red Sux get Santana that lineup would be unbeatable

Beckett
Santana
Dice K
Schilling
Wakefield (or Lester depending on the final trade)

I mean seriously how the fuck could a team in the same division be part of a trade like this? You just couldn't beat this team in a series, 5 or 7 games, it just couldn't be done. You'd essentially have to pitch against Beckett and Santana twice in a 7 game series IF it went that far.

crap, the Red Sox have officially taken over the Yankees for best GM moves.
 
crap, the Red Sox have officially taken over the Yankees for best GM moves.

Not a done deal yet..Never underestimate the evil empire!!!!!!!

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The latest from the hometown paper..



Yanks will pull offer today if Twins don't accept.

Twins originally requested Hughes + Melky + Prospect and now that is the offer the Yanks have on the table

Hanks says Santana is the only player in baseball he would give up Hughes and Melkman for and a prospect like Kennedy is not going to be included in the deal but the Yanks are willing to work something out.

Santana wants 6yrs @ 25mil


**I didnt want to get rid of hughes but I guess Melk + Kennedy + Prospect wasn't enough which is understandable.
 
Andy's back, and Hank's strong words (are awesome)

Posted by [URL="http://blog.nj.com/yankees/about.html"]Dave & Aziz Nekoukar[/URL] December 03, 2007 10:12AM

We all certainly awoke to good news in Yankeeland, eh?
Andy Pettitte is coming back for the 2008 season, making it just that much more likely that Mike Mussina won't have a starting job for the upcoming season. Sweet.
This almost goes without saying, but it was really quite nice of Andy to let the team know about his plan before the Winter Meetings, because it gives Cashman a much better picture of his '08 starting rotation.
And meanwhile: oh, Hank Steinbrenner, how we have quickly come to love and loathe your banter. While Hank does talk a little too much -- and of course by "little," we mean a lot -- we love what he had to say about the ongoing Santana stuff:
"I'm not going to be played against the Red Sox. That's not something I'll do. That's not something the Yankees should ever do, and that's I think what they're trying to do now. So if they want the best offer that has been offered to them, then they need to make up their minds...this is not an act. It's not a bluff. It's just reality."​
Hank went on to say the deadline for the Twins to accept an offer from the Yankees is today, otherwise the Yanks are walking away from the negotiating table. (And seriously, what else is there that they could offer?) In other words, folks, that's the proverbial "finger" Hank is sticking up at the Twins -- and the Red Sox (sort of). As we wrote last week, Cashman is still steering the boat, but it does appear Hank is overlooking things on the bow. But the point is, we have all slowly come to realize -- reflected in readers' comments yesterday and previous days -- that the teams likely to trade for Santana hold the cards here. The Twins can only pick from what's in front of them, and a team that walks away from the table has lost absolutely nothing, while the Twins stand to lose potentially all the value of a star that they won't be able to afford next October.
Granted, Hank's comments reek of the same stuff he said about A-Rod, but we're giving Hank the benefit of the doubt on this one, because we like the idea of a take-it-or-leave-it deadline. A team can't dangle its young stars like this in the papers every day, without it having some effect on their psyche. Still, what it comes down to is this one simple idea, propounded by Joel Sherman and Kevin Kernan today:
The Yankees are concerned about being trapped in an endless loop of talks that could stymie their attempts to pursue other options...
And that's really what the alleged deadline today is all about. Just like a team can't afford to hammer away at its young stars by needless headlines purporting to be valid trade rumors, neither can a team afford to miss out on better options by being consumed with one option. We are excited for the Winter Meetings, and excited for today's take-it-or-leave-it sweepstakes. Let's see what happens today, folks. It could get interesting.
And did we mention Andy Pettitte's back in the fold? What a day already -- and the Meetings are just kicking off. We'll of course let you know if any big news breaks.

In other news...
Joel Sherman notes that this could be the start of even more spending by the Yankees, depending on if they land Santana, and given the likely increased revenues from a new Stadium.

The Winter Meetings have become a pretty crazy event, and with beat reporters maintaining blogs now, we get news practically as it happens.

Thanks to Steve B. for sending in Baseball Prospectus's top-11 Yankee prospects. Joba tops the list, while Austin Jackson has nudged ahead of Jose Tabata into third. Ian Kennedy ranks second, which is sort of a surprise to us. We wonder how much of that is hype; Kennedy is good, but better-than-Tabata, talent-wise? We of course defer to the experts, and we're happy to hear Kennedy's ceiling may be higher than we thought, but we are a little surprised.

Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune runs down the Twins' options for Santana.
 
Twins, Sox reportedly inching closer

Posted by [URL="http://blog.nj.com/yankees/about.html"]Dave & Aziz Nekoukar[/URL] December 04, 2007 12:18PM

A mid-morning update from Boston Herald reporter Michael Silverman puts the Red Sox and Twins in "serious" talks about Santana.

Make no mistake, the Sox are no longer in this to drive up Santana's cost for the Yanks. They want him. Silverman writes:
The package of players the Twins would receive is still in flux and there are two packages under discussion, with still varying mixes of players in each. The first deal would include left-hander Jon Lester and center fielder Coco Crisp, the other one is headed by center field prospect Jacoby Ellsbury. The Twins are still deciding which one they prefer. The Red Sox have successfully held the line on not including Ellsbury in a package with either Lester or Clay Buccholz, their other top starter.
Late Monday night, the Red Sox received a call from the Twins requesting the medical records of Lester. After reviewing the information, the Twins were satisfied that there were no red flags there that would block a deal, said the source.
"The Red Sox are legitimate, real players in this now," said the source. "The Twins like their players."
If the Sox can get Santana for Lester, Crisp and a couple of prospects, that would be a tremendous steal for them (Pete Abraham echoes that sentiment). It would set them up with a dominant staff for a long time, with Santana, Beckett, Buchholz as their big three.
If you're trying to convince yourself (as we were) that Santana really isn't that great, Jayson Stark's piece describing Santana's total domination of the AL will likely change your mind.
 
According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Red Sox and Twins are close to finalizing a Johan Santana trade after Boston added Ryan Kalish to the mix.
Gammons says it'd be a 5-for-1, and with Kalish in the deal, it only makes sense that the Twins would be taking Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson. If Jacoby Ellsbury was involved, the Twins probably wouldn't be asking for the additional center field prospect. Like Lowrie and Masterson, Kalish ranks comfortably among Boston's top 10 prospects. He is much further away from the majors than the others. Dec. 4 - 3:47 pm et
 
this is terrible, how the yanks let him goto Boston is besides me. They better bring in Bedard and Haren
 
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