Phoenix @ Golden State

Killa

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Analyzing this game for a few days now. I might have a few plays here. This sharp money pounding the UNDER has thrown me off though. I definitely did not expect that. Both teams will push the ball every possession, you would have to be crazy to chance an UNDER in that kind of scenario. But I could be wrong. This prop I'm going back to the well with, played it last week in Suns/Kings and I like this one much more. I expect 50 or more threes taken in this game and 17 or more will go in. Shooters all over the court here.

OVER 16.5 Threes Made (-110 @ Greek)

OVER 225 (-110 @ Greek)
Added. It comes down to how much it would suck if I pass and it wins. I believe this number is not even close to being where it should be. We shall see.
 
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BDK, I think this game is fishy. What will PHX truly gain by racking up a huge score? And what will they gain by winning? They are not going anywhere in the standings and I would think that it could be in their favor to give GSW a kick in the pants to get into the playoffs and faceoff against DAL. DAL facing GSW, and then having to face PHX in the playoffs sounds like a nice idea.

The prop looks nice and is line w/ your over.

GL.
 
Wad- Good points for Phoenix lying down. Another thing is, they have a bitter revenge spot vs. Denver tomorrow night. Has to be on their minds a bit. It's just so hard to take G.S. with such a short line, I mean 6 would be one thing but we're basically asking for a SU win, and if the Suns are interested at all they just have too much for this team.
 
BDK, for me, what it comes down to is emotion. GSW will be fired up and rightfully so. PHX will go through the motions. If that works, and they are winning, then great. If not, they will work in Jalen Rose and Pat Burke a lil bit. Maybe have Amare ride pine. lol.
 
well believe it or not, both teams are trending under projected totals in their last 10...of course the numbers (season averages) always support unders such as these and can be thrown out...but out of the last 20 cumulative contests for Phoenix and Golden state, they are staying under this number 80% of the time...several OTs were counted and should help counteract the low scoring opponents. THAT's why I think that a lot of money has gone on this one...Golden state has played low totals out west and Phoenix has played to a huge majority of unders are road favorites in the past few weeks...

that being said, this game represents 50% of the Warriors high profile home games left on the schedule...they will be pushing hard in this one and the game should be competitive throughout...This is big game for Phoenix also...if they lose, they are only two games ahead of San Antonio for the second best record in the west. I figure in a game like this, both teams go to their comfort pace...which is lightening for 48 minutes and hope your opponents run out of breath before you do...

there should be plenty of shot attempts for this one to go over, and as long as the over doesn't get screwed by poor shooting...i cant believe this one will stay under
 
Check bigmoneyhustlers thread .. believe found some nice quotes from Amare that would definetly makes it seem like the Suns won't be looking ahead. Even if they do play a shitty game, they'll be launching lazy threes, so the prop should be good either way. GL
 
It's not the public hammering this under, it's sharp money. So I'm pretty sure it's not points per game in their last 10 or 20 games that's driving that, lol. This total should be 232, I'm still confused why it's not. The only problem is if Suns lie down. But GS just played Washington and cleared 260. Lakers and cleared 230. Averages are meaningless with GS cuz of injuries. Besides, point averages are something no sharp bettor in the world will consider in making a bet. I am far from a sharp, but I personally haven't looked at a point average in 3 years of betting NBA, I doubt Big Al has either, I know Handy hasn't. You get my drift.
 
What I WOULD look at is G.S.'s season averages in games vs. Suns, Denver, and Washington. These 4 teams present a different dynamic than the rest of the teams in basketball, as far as offensive talent and non-stop fast breaks. This is the only average that matters.
 
G.S.'s totals in games vs. said opponents this season

223, 227, 269, 206, 233, 234, 206, 263, 213

Many of those were while ravaged by injuries, and many were pre-trade. So even that doesn't tell the true story.
 
Suns in first game of a b-b last 10 are 8-2 under. This season they have had the 232 revenge at Washington and the 318 delayed revenge at Nets in this situation. Obviously no revenge from Suns viewpoint so they would be happy with a slow game. See no real reason why GS does not want to play uptempo in a revenge game here so no definite answer.
 
I love this feature at the bottom where you can see who is currently viewing this thread. Sometimes I see people's names down there for like an hour straight. Sometimes it's posters I've never even heard of. Why are you looking at this thread for an hour? Did you just walk away from your PC and leave it on this thread? And if so, why this thread? Things I wonder about.
 
it may be that someone closed their browser after looking at this thread, and whatever cookie is tracked isn't found elsewhere...so the system assumes it stays.

...just a guess.

I think an over is ripe right here....I may take 4thQ over...
 
I love this feature at the bottom where you can see who is currently viewing this thread. Sometimes I see people's names down there for like an hour straight. Sometimes it's posters I've never even heard of. Why are you looking at this thread for an hour? Did you just walk away from your PC and leave it on this thread? And if so, why this thread? Things I wonder about.

Sometimes ill be reading a thread and then ill go do some work in like excel or something and leave my web browser open...also use a tabbed browser, so i might be reading a thread and then get 'lost' in another webpage and still have the thread open in another tab...
 
it may be that someone closed their browser after looking at this thread, and whatever cookie is tracked isn't found elsewhere...so the system assumes it stays.

No, for me, I've got Mozilla and have one tab for the CTG forum and one for Killa's thread which I constantly refresh hoping for new plays, I want to get them as early as possible before everyone else does and the line moves, haha. The feature is great though, it's best in the threads with {Nudity}, or so I've heard. There are guys in there who have never posted ever.
 
Well bro..Imma just waiting for this fucker to bottom out...currently 224 @ Bookmaker....hoping to get down another 1/2 at least and I will make my much anticipated(lmao) return to totals.
 
Whats buggging me today is people saying Phoenix has nothing to play for...LMAO...Spurs are right on their heels..

Bill makes excellent points...

Holy shit..the stars have aligned..

Ivy+BAR+Killa all liking the same play
 
It's not the public hammering this under, it's sharp money. So I'm pretty sure it's not points per game in their last 10 or 20 games that's driving that, lol. This total should be 232, I'm still confused why it's not. The only problem is if Suns lie down. But GS just played Washington and cleared 260. Lakers and cleared 230. Averages are meaningless with GS cuz of injuries. Besides, point averages are something no sharp bettor in the world will consider in making a bet. I am far from a sharp, but I personally haven't looked at a point average in 3 years of betting NBA, I doubt Big Al has either, I know Handy hasn't. You get my drift.


i am not saying point per game averages influence mine or others wagers...i'm saying that recent trends to the under sometimes do...projected totals from night to night as low as 200s and as high as 230s...when a team is consistantly playing under a projection...there could be a reason
 
Whats buggging me today is people saying Phoenix has nothing to play for...LMAO...Spurs are right on their heels..

Bill makes excellent points...

Holy shit..the stars have aligned..

Ivy+BAR+Killa all liking the same play

Remember when LVWAR went to covers help and asked them to investigate whether we were all one in the same??:4_12_13:
 
this is a classic walters move. get teh word out hes on the under. and then he pounds the life out of the over.
 
Remember when LVWAR went to covers help and asked them to investigate whether we were all one in the same??:4_12_13:


i still laugh at that...you and i and him joined a year apart each over there....and you had a Mi ip address...lol
 
GL tonight Killa. I'm leaning on the over as well at this point. Sitting with B.A.R. at the moment waiting for it to bottom. Good article (from a shitty website) as to why the under looks like the play, but I don't see any value in the under at 224. Probably wouldn't have been a play if it stuck around 228.

Shooting blanks? Fast-paced Suns
and Warriors hook up by the Bay


Wed, Mar 28, 2007

By Tim Roberts

The Phoenix Suns are widely held to have the NBA’s most dynamic offense.
The Golden State Warriors have done their best to mimic the Suns’ up-tempo pace.
The teams have already met three times this year, averaging 220.7 points per game. All points were scored in regulation time and two games played over the total in spite of oddsmakers’ high expectations (the average total was 225.3 points).
But bettors shouldn’t jump blindly on the over when the Suns travel to Oakland for the back end of tonight's TNT’s doubleheader. Some things to consider before playing the Suns–Warriors total, which opened at 227 ½ points:
Cruise control
The Suns have all but clinched second place in the Western Conference and local newspapers are already weighing the pros and cons of potential playoff opponents.
They can get up for big games, as memorably displayed in Dallas on March 14, but Phoenix’s .500 record since that big win suggests they’re having trouble getting up for lesser opponents.
“We’re not tired, we’re just out of sync,” D’Antoni told the East Valley Tribune after Monday’s unsatisfying win over Memphis.
“We have to get back in sync and get our aura up. I don’t know what it is, but everyone seems down. We’re flat, and the whole building is flat and we’re not doing anything to change it.”
Bursting of the playoff bubble
The Warriors were the hottest team in the West for a while, making a solid run for the conference’s eighth and final playoff spot.
They’ve dropped three of their last four, however, with the last two being particularly crushing. Golden State let the Los Angeles Lakers bully them in a tough loss on Sunday, one night before the San Antonio Spurs exposed the Warriors in every way possible.
They looked nothing like a playoff team in the 37-point loss to the Spurs and with the Los Angeles Clippers pulling away in the playoff hunt, the Warriors are down in the dumps again.
"Sometimes your body doesn't do what your mind wants it to do," Al Harrington told the San Francisco Chronicle after shooting 0-for-5 from the floor.
"I know everybody wanted to pick it up and play hard and play better, but overall, from a team standpoint, we just couldn't get there."
Matrix unloaded
Shawn Marion, one of the NBA’s premier forwards when healthy, hasn’t been himself lately.
“Shawn is like the rest of the team right now. He’s out of his groove,” D’Antoni told the Tribune. “He struggled since he was hurt, and it’s taking a while.”
Marion is only averaging 11.9 points per game in March and hasn’t topped 20 points since he injured his hand in late February. That’s 11 straight games scoring below his season average.
Less running and less gunning
The Suns and Warriors combined to take 185 shots in their Nov. 20 game, 189 on Dec. 15, and 189 again on Jan. 7. That’s an average of 187.7 shots from the floor, or 93.8 shots for each team.
Phoenix is only averaging 84.6 shots from the floor over its last 10 games and that includes three overtime periods.
Golden State is averaging only 85.1 shots over its last 10.
Those averages add up to only 169.7 shots, almost 20 below the teams’ average shot attempts when they met earlier this season.
On the other hand...
Both teams have played under the total six times in each of their last 10 games, but Golden State has had three consecutive overs.
The Warriors’ defense has been the primary cause, allowing 123.0 points per game over their last three outings. That’s a dangerous number with Steve Nash & Co. coming to Oakland.
So if you think the teams will act as a remedy for each other’s respective offensive woes and you’re banking on Marion to score 30 points on fast-break opportunities alone, then by all means play the over.
Sportsbooks, however, have pegged tonight’s total sky-high and there may be more compelling reasons to eye the under, in spite of both teams’ reputations
 
Gotta love how many shots they take against each other...thats very indicative IMO.

Nice story J.
 
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I love this feature at the bottom where you can see who is currently viewing this thread. Sometimes I see people's names down there for like an hour straight. Sometimes it's posters I've never even heard of. Why are you looking at this thread for an hour? Did you just walk away from your PC and leave it on this thread? And if so, why this thread? Things I wonder about.

the answer is simple for me: I respect your nba knowledge and I used to check your thoughts. And if I want to understand the whole words you all wrote here, I simply have to focus and read carefully, and even check in my dictionary, cuz my english still sucks.... :) so I request for forgiveness, Killa ;) good luck today
 
wtf over is now 223.5 hahah killa u doing a 6 pack if it drops to 221?
 
GL Justin - I forgot I tailed you on that Yao prop the other night and just went back to check what happened and saw we lost. Get em tonight.
 
I love this feature at the bottom where you can see who is currently viewing this thread. Sometimes I see people's names down there for like an hour straight. Sometimes it's posters I've never even heard of. Why are you looking at this thread for an hour? Did you just walk away from your PC and leave it on this thread? And if so, why this thread? Things I wonder about.

:an_roll_laugh: been wondering the same thing :smiley_acbe:
 
it may be that someone closed their browser after looking at this thread, and whatever cookie is tracked isn't found elsewhere...so the system assumes it stays.

...just a guess.

I think an over is ripe right here....I may take 4thQ over...

I remember a case we had on the European board during the football (soccer) WC, the two guys named Altorg and Candres were on that subforum (WC soccer) ALL SUMMER LONG. And they were listed among the online members ALL SUMMER. Which is unusual since it does disappear once someone goes off, after some time your screenname wouldn't be listed there. We opened topics about them, wondered what on Earth happened there, no answer :D. No posts from them all summer either. :an_roll_laugh:

Glad to see you guys all on the same side (or most of you), I won't jump on, don't wanna sink the ship, just had a few beers so me jumping on isn't the wisest idea :D.

:cheers:
 
The *sharp money* no doubt sees

GDS is 12-6 to Under since the AS break, ignoring the fact as a team they've always garnered their total results in blocks (or streaks). So whats important here is they're 3-0 to Over their last 3, after going 12-3 to Under their previous 15 (prior to that, they went 6-0 to Over - as I just said, their total results tend to come in blocks. They're not in an "Under block" at the moment).

PHX is 11-3 to Under their last 14, 12-6 to Under since the AS break (just like GDS). However, a number of those results came sans Diaw & Marion, and I think the key games to look at regarding this contest is what PHX did at Denver (238), Dallas (222 - reg), Minny (220) - Competitive Western teams on the road since the AS break have seen their totals explode. They only totaled 207 at Sacramento but that was a home & home series after the previous game went Over (218), so I see extenuating circumstances there. Thats not the case here. Thats the sum total of their away games to the West since the break: 3-1 to Over, 221.7 average.
 
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Baron Davis continues to be limited by his left knee, which was surgically repaired in February.


Warriors coach Don Nelson said that recent back-to-back games didn't help, and that the knee keeps swelling and limiting Davis' mobility. "I didn't think he should play (against San Antonio), but he really wanted to play and he just didn't have that much," Nelson said. "He's just unable to move, really, get where he wants to go, and that reflects on both ends of the court. But we're in a position with 10 games left, we really need to have him if we can have him." Though it might not be best for Davis' long-term health, it sounds like he'll be playing tonight against the Suns and for the remainder of the season.
 
ok so far so good killa. hopefully I don't jinx but 9 3 pt. bombs in the 1st Qtr. Let's hope it continues.
 
Nice hit on the prop and that overs(triple threat style):smiley_acbe:

Pounded the overs money;

Looking at another one in LA-LA land for Friday:new_shocked:
:cheers:
 
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