MNF/SNF Underdog Trend?

Toronto_Mike

Scent of a Woman
Was just looking through and have noticed something interesting

MNF Underdogs are 4-1 ATS, SD should of made it 5-0 had they not blown their lead but still only lost by 1.
MNF/SNF Underdogs combined are 9-1 ATS

I get that this is the Redskins but anyone else leaning towards +7.5?
 
There is no statistical correlation here, only coincidence.

The information you posted has nothing to do with the game tonight. :shake:
 
Hbomb, how do you figure? How is 9-1 underdogs covering the spread not a statistical correlation? That very sentence is exactly a statistical correlation, despite a small sample size however it very much so is based on stats.

I already locked in at +7 as Seattle isn't the same team on the road, and think Cousins will bounce back. I do think Vegas prefers the dog to win in most cases on the National Televised games as majority of the time 60% of the money is on the fav. This could be related to why Vegas has had a record year cleaning house to this point.
 
It's still a trend, for this year. Whether it's relevant to tonight's game is anyone's guess.
 
Any "trend" could be relevant to each game, depending on which side you are on :mean4:


This is not a trend....it's not correlated. It is the equivalent of saying, "it has rained 9 out of the last 10 Tuesdays, so it will likely rain again next Tuesday."

It is completely random and does not mean anything.

Making your bets on information like this will leave you bankrupt in the end.
 
I never said I make my bets based on info like this. However I do find trends interesting to say the least. Basically what you're saying is there isn't a trend or stat that you pay attention to whatsoever?

If Peyton throws for 20 consecutive 300 yard games, and plays the Jaguars next week but hasn't played them in the last 20 games. It means nothing towards the liklihood of him doing it again, cause he hasn't played the jaguars in that "trend". I get what you're saying I just disagree with it as you could then find a flaw in every stat or trend.

Agree to disagree? :shake:
 
this thread...

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Hbomb, how do you figure? How is 9-1 underdogs covering the spread not a statistical correlation? That very sentence is exactly a statistical correlation, despite a small sample size however it very much so is based on stats.

I already locked in at +7 as Seattle isn't the same team on the road, and think Cousins will bounce back. I do think Vegas prefers the dog to win in most cases on the National Televised games as majority of the time 60% of the money is on the fav. This could be related to why Vegas has had a record year cleaning house to this point.

He's correct from a purely statistical pov. But the other side of the coin is, I've tracked NFL PT stats since 2000 and almost every season each time slot seems to take on a particular tenor (or trend, if you like) with regards certain results. MNF one season might favour Overs, next season Unders, next season the Dog ATS, etc. Same with SNF. Because there's no direct connection between the fixtures from one week to the next (since rarely does one team feature in consecutive SNF or MNF fixtures), statistically it can't be viewed as anything significant. But the 'X factor' is, that time slots more often than not demonstrate a bias for particular results, and in my experience that extends beyond football (ESPN Sunday Night baseball is a classic case of favouring a particular result year in and year out).

As far as this dog trend goes, I don't believe for a sec it will hold up in both time slots for the entire season, but - given what I just stated above - it wouldn't surprise me at all to see it continue in one of the 2 slots til season's end (say, coughing up an overall rate of 70%+, above what would be expected statistically).
 
BC, your post reminded me of this article on the statistical advantage west coast teams have demonstrated over east coast teams on MNF:




<header>The Circadian Advantage: How Sleep Patterns Benefit Certain NFL Teams


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Here's a hint: find your way to the sports betting parlor. If you're in luck, the next Monday Night Football game listed on the board will be a matchup pitting a team from the West Coast against a team from the East Coast. For most gamblers, deciding which team to bet on comes down to factors such as hometown loyalty, the trend of the last few games, or which team is on the road. But there's a much easier way to beat the odds: just put money on the team from the West Coast.

Betting tips wouldn't seem to fit in a book about sleep. Yet sleep is the most obvious part of a cycle that affects almost all living things, from quarterbacks in the National Football League to bacteria in the locker-room shower. Living organisms have an innate sense of the length of a day, which isn't all that surprising considering that, for the long history of life on earth, the sun has pretty much run the show. Plants rely on sunlight for energy, while animals have settled into niches based on the span of hours they considered the optimal time to be awake. As a result, somewhere inside the cells of most living things is what amounts to a fairly accurate 24-hour clock, known as the circadian rhythm, which tells an organism when it is time to perform an important activity and when it is time to rest.

The first person to recognize this rhythm was an 18th-century French astronomer named Jean-Jacques d'Ortous de Mairan. Staring at his garden in 1729, he was struck by the fact that his plants extended their leaves in the daytime and then pulled them back at night. He assumed that it was based on sunlight, and he set up a simple experiment to test his theory. He took a bunch of plants down to his wine cellar, where there was no variation of light or temperature between day or night, and recorded the movements of their leaves. Sure enough, the plants continued to open in the morning and close in the evening, even though there was no daylight prodding them. De Mairan realized that the plants were anticipating sunlight rather than responding to it. They had an ingrained sense of when the day started, and they didn't need light to clue them in.

Stanford researchers dug through 25 years of MNF games and flagged every time a West Coast team played an East Coast team. The West Coast teams dominated their East Coast opponents no matter where they played.

The human body is more like de Mairan's plants than you might expect. The circadian rhythm alters our body temperature and overall alertness level based on the time of day, a process that will make the body continue to stick to the sun's schedule even if it is placed in the equivalent of a wine cellar overnight. Without any help from coffee, most of us tend to perk up around nine o'clock in the morning and stay that way until around two in the afternoon, which is when we start thinking about a nap. Around six in the evening, the body gets another shot of energy that keeps us going until about ten at night. After that, our body temperature starts to fall rapidly, and we get sleepy if we don't turn to coffee or another form of caffeine. Evolutionary biologists don't know exactly why the body operates on this sort of split rhythm, but the best guess is that the early-evening pick-me-up was advantageous to early humans who needed energy to make a fire or find their way back home after a long day of foraging for food.

All of which brings us back to betting on football games. In the middle of the 1990s, a few sleep researchers at Stanford University decided to test a theory. Studies had shown that strength, flexibility, and reaction times surge in the early evening when the circadian rhythm is pulling the body out of the post-lunch funk. Given that subtle effect on an athlete's abilities, it stood to reason that a person at the peak of this alertness cycle would have an unseen advantage over someone whose internal clock thought it was time for bed. What the researchers needed to test their idea was a contest that not only pitted people of similar abilities at different stages of the circadian cycle against each other, but also a data set long enough to show reliable patterns.

They found it in the professional football games played on Monday night, some of the premier events in the NFL. Monday night games always start at 8:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, regardless of which teams are playing or which team has to travel. For the league, this guarantees the maximum number of viewers. Diehard football fans on the East Coast will stay up until past midnight if they have to, while sports fans on the West Coast can turn on the TV and watch the game while eating dinner after work.

The scheduling of Monday Night Football games presents a unique circadian problem, especially if a team from the West Coast is playing a team from the East Coast. Players on the West Coast team are playing at their equivalent of 5:30 p.m., no matter if the game is in Seattle or Miami. Players on the team from the East Coast, meanwhile, are three hours ahead in their own circadian cycles. In nature, this sort of mismatch couldn't happen. It was only in the last 60 years or so that we've developed a way to travel so quickly across time zones that our internal clocks are no longer in sync with the daylight around us. Fitting its cause, we call this condition jet lag.

Without knowing it, athletes on teams from the East Coast are playing at a disadvantage. Because of the circadian rhythm, which they can't control, their bodies are past their natural performance peaks before the first quarter ends. By the fourth quarter, the team from the East Coast will be competing close to its equivalent of midnight. Their bodies will be subtly preparing for sleep by taking steps such as lowering the body temperature, slowing the reaction time, and increasing the amount of melatonin in their bloodstream. Athletes on the team from the West Coast, meanwhile, are still competing in the prime time of their circadian cycle.

Every human body, ranging from a professional athlete to a suburban dad, will experience small declines in physical ability and mental agility the longer it fights against the circadian rhythm. In the modern NFL, this has a significant impact because teams in the league are more evenly matched than those in the other major sports, and anything that alters a single player's ability has an outsized effect on the outcome of the game. What's more, there is little that an East Coast team can do about the circadian disadvantage. The schedule gives coaches few chances to adapt to the time difference. Teams traveling on the road typically fly in the night before the game, and East Coast teams playing at home rarely attempt to put their body clocks on Pacific Standard Time. Coaches instead tell their players not to try to adjust to the time differences, preferring that they keep up with their normal sleep patterns for consistency.

The Stanford researchers dug through 25 years of Monday night NFL games and flagged every time a West Coast team played an East Coast team. Then, in an inspired move, they compared the final scores for each game with the point spread developed by bookmakers in Vegas. The results were stunning. The West Coast teams dominated their East Coast opponents no matter where they played. A West Coast team won 63 percent of the time, by an average of two touchdowns. The games were much closer when an East Coast team won, with an average margin of victory of only nine points. By picking the West Coast team every time, someone would have beaten the point spread 70 percent of the time. For gamblers in Las Vegas, the matchup was as good as found money.

In a test to ensure that their findings weren't the result of West Coast teams simply being better during those years, the researchers expanded their scope and looked at every Monday Night Football game played during that twenty-five-year time span. They found that the overall winning percentages for West Coast and East Coast teams were essentially even when the teams were not playing a game against an opponent from the other coast. Nor were the results a reflection of home-field advantage. When an East Coast team traveled to another destination within its same time zone, it won 45 percent of the time. But if a team from the East Coast played somewhere in the Pacific time zone, its winning percentage shrunk to only 29 percent.
The circadian advantage—or disadvantage, depending on your perspective–-popped up in studies of figure skaters, rowers, golfers, baseball players, swimmers, and divers. Everywhere you turned, there was evidence of the body's hidden rhythms at work. One study found that in sports as varied as running, weightlifting, and swimming, athletes competing when their bodies experienced the second boost of circadian energy were more likely to break a world record. Long jumpers, for instance, launched themselves nearly 4 percent farther when the body was at its circadian peak. But the circadian rhythm cut both ways. Athletes competing when their circadian rhythm corresponded to the so-called sleep gates—those times in the early afternoon or late nights when it's easy for most people to fall asleep—consistently performed a little worse than normal, even if the slowdown wasn't obvious to them.</header>
 
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