Kansas Football part deux
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Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
Good point. And he had incompetent offenses with loads of NFL talent at LSU. Would be hard recruit at KU. Should’ve held on to Mangino!
TahoeLegend
Pretty much a regular
Well, he's not an idiot.. He rebuilt Oklahoma State football when that program was hopeless. Then he went on to win a national title at LSU. He's a smart guy and an excellent coach. So you can forget points 1 and 2.
Two and three are valid concerns, right on point, and the reason why I don't think he is the right choice for Kansas. He was a wide-open offense guy at Oklahoma State but got so conservative at LSU his offense became a joke. Even his recruiting for offense became a joke (24 QBs recruited while he was there, 12 pocket passers, 12 dual threat, sometimes one of each in the same year).
Oklahoma State is a bad situation when it comes to recruiting, but they are a paradise compared to Kansas. The state of Kansas doesn't produce enough good football players for one program let alone the two in the state. And when they do produce a prospect he rarely goes to either state school.
Kansas is much better off hiring someone from the Leach or Art Biles coaching tree. A guy like Babers. (Biles tree) I don't mean Babers specifically--as bad a situation as Syracuse is, it's a better coaching job than Kansas--but a guy who has shown he can find enough good athletes to produce a high power offense and allow a second tier school to compete.
Even if Miles could do what he did at Oklahoma State he would be 70 by the time he did it and Kansas would have to start looking for a younger guy again.
There are a lot of young guys who proved they can do it, including Littrell at NTSU (North Texas is actually a better coaching job than Kansas, it's just not a power-5 school), Matt Wells at Utah State (roots in Big 12 country), Heuple at UCF (played under both Leach and Mangino and did an excellent job taking over UCF, but hasn't proved he can rebuild a program).
There is a lot more talent at Kansas now than when Beatty took over so there's at least a foundation for a new coach to build on, but there are reasons why Kansas has rarely been respectable, let alone a power.
Two and three are valid concerns, right on point, and the reason why I don't think he is the right choice for Kansas. He was a wide-open offense guy at Oklahoma State but got so conservative at LSU his offense became a joke. Even his recruiting for offense became a joke (24 QBs recruited while he was there, 12 pocket passers, 12 dual threat, sometimes one of each in the same year).
Oklahoma State is a bad situation when it comes to recruiting, but they are a paradise compared to Kansas. The state of Kansas doesn't produce enough good football players for one program let alone the two in the state. And when they do produce a prospect he rarely goes to either state school.
Kansas is much better off hiring someone from the Leach or Art Biles coaching tree. A guy like Babers. (Biles tree) I don't mean Babers specifically--as bad a situation as Syracuse is, it's a better coaching job than Kansas--but a guy who has shown he can find enough good athletes to produce a high power offense and allow a second tier school to compete.
Even if Miles could do what he did at Oklahoma State he would be 70 by the time he did it and Kansas would have to start looking for a younger guy again.
There are a lot of young guys who proved they can do it, including Littrell at NTSU (North Texas is actually a better coaching job than Kansas, it's just not a power-5 school), Matt Wells at Utah State (roots in Big 12 country), Heuple at UCF (played under both Leach and Mangino and did an excellent job taking over UCF, but hasn't proved he can rebuild a program).
There is a lot more talent at Kansas now than when Beatty took over so there's at least a foundation for a new coach to build on, but there are reasons why Kansas has rarely been respectable, let alone a power.
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booksbestfriend
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Doubt Heuple would take IT. Although not power 5, UCF has deep pockets. Largest public institution FL.
Eazyduzit
UK 8 KU 3
He couldn’t get QBs at the end but he always had high level RBs and WRs...Beckham, Landry, Lafell, Hill, Fornette, Guice, etc..Won’t be able to get that at KU for reasons you mentioned. Babers would be good but he won’t take it. Brohm would be great but obviously that won’t happen. He will probably go to UL. They need someone like that for sure, though. Miles wouldn’t be a bad hire all things considered.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
Kinda liking your boys to keep it in the number this week. Was hoping it would get to 38, but went against me. Gonna have to do some soul searching.
booksbestfriend
On Johnny's Shitlist
Regardless of record, you have to be happy with this team. They are putting forth effort week-in-week-out.
Teapot9
Not from 63rd
Those young men played their asses off last night. They didn’t throw in the towel and neither did Beaty. They weren’t going to keep up with OU for 4Qs but that same team that lost to Nichols State gave OU a game for awhile and didn’t get totally blown out. I’m proud of them and really respect/appreciate the staff being professionals. It’s a tough situation and while I don’t think Miles is the long term solution maybe he’s the guy that’ll set KU up for the future. My most recent visit to campus was over Labor Day weekend and they are continuing to make investments into the football program. The offices and facilities look like an actual Big XII program. It’s a long road ahead no doubt but hopefully they are headed in the right direction.
Lastly, I really hope this hire energizes the fan base and that for the opener the stadium is packed and shows the team that they have support.
Lastly, I really hope this hire energizes the fan base and that for the opener the stadium is packed and shows the team that they have support.
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