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So rumor has it that both could have their suspensions reduced. Anyone have any info on this.
 
I've heard that if they come to an agreement on the new PED policy it could take effect immediately.

I am holding on to both in one of my leagues, the team's deep so why not? Gordon can't sell cars all year ffs.
 
I picked up Gordon in one of my leagues. Legally, if they change the rule they would have to apply it retroactively to Gordon and Welker. That would also mean that Scandrick would be absolved as well.

They do have the option of NOT applying the new rule retroactively, which means that only future offenders would be absolved by the new rule and the 3 stooges would remain suspended.

It's an interesting dynamic here with law meeting sports.
 
That Josh Gordon car dealership thing is pretty wild. Guy hasn't had a big payday, probably spent all his money.

"What can I do to make you the proud owner of a brand new Nissan?"
 
My opinion is this. It wouldn't be news if there wasn't something big about to happen. I hope it works out for them.
 
There is zero buzz in Cleveland about Josh beating the rap at this point, but it wouldn't be the first time Mary Kay Cabot and Tony Grossi got beat on a Browns story.
 
Mo said:
My opinion is this. It wouldn't be news if there wasn't something big about to happen. I hope it works out for them.
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Meh. The way the sports media works nowadays, they 'make' news many, many times when there is nothing really there. I hope it works out for them too, but I wouldn't base anything simply on the story coming out.
 
Also, when was the last time the NFL backpedaled on anything?
 
Gorgolon Lives said:
Legally, if they change the rule they would have to apply it retroactively to Gordon and Welker.

They do have the option of NOT applying the new rule retroactively, which means that only future offenders would be absolved by the new rule and the 3 stooges would remain suspended.
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If they have the option of not applying the new rule retroactively, then what do you mean by the first sentence? If they have the option (which they certainly do, those guys broke the rules in place at the time), then they certainly aren't going to be legally bound to retroactively apply anything. Unless I'm missing your point.

It would seem to be a slippery slope if they reduce/eliminate suspensions for anyone who is actively suspended. Would the guys suspended in the past have a beef? Could they argue that the rule change should have been looked at much sooner? Obviously, they couldn't get the games back, but is there a scenario where they could fight to get their game checks back for when they were suspended? None of that may be possible, but it may come up if the NFL decides to retroactively alter suspension for anyone.
 
Mo said:
I guess ur right latex. Could just be propaganda
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I'm not even saying that it is propaganda, you may be right in that this is a story with real legs. I just think the media is like the boy who cried wolf time and time again, so we can't assume there is anything behind the story simply because it came out.

:shake:
 
For the new rule to apply to Gordon, Welker, and Scandrick, they would have to apply it retroactively. I'm not sure they would do that. But they can if they wish.
 
I guess ur right Lareux Could just be propaganda
 
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Gorgolon Lives said:
For the new rule to apply to Gordon, Welker, and Scandrick, they would have to apply it retroactively. I'm not sure they would do that. But they can if they wish.
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Well yes, for them to apply it to those 3 it would have to be applied retroactively...obviously.

You said legally they would have to apply it retroactively, that's why I was confused. I thought you were saying that by changing the rule, they were legally bound to retroactively apply it.
 
Lareux said:
Well yes, for them to apply it to those 3 it would have to be applied retroactively...obviously.

You said legally they would have to apply it retroactively, that's why I was confused. I thought you were saying that by changing the rule, they were legally bound to retroactively apply it.
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They'd have to do whatever they bargained for in the agreement. Players association would need to push for the retroactive status.
 
Fondybadger said:
They'd have to do whatever they bargained for in the agreement. Players association would need to push for the retroactive status.
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Yes, right.

He said "legally they would have to retroactively apply" the new rule. It would have to be bargained for in the new agreement, they aren't legally bound to do it. That was my only point. He contradicted himself in the next sentence, so I was just trying to find out what he meant.

:shake:
 
Off topic, but surprised there's no thread about Ellington here yet. Sounds like he may be out for a while. That's a big blow to Arizona, as well as for those who drafted him in their fantasy leagues. Any thoughts?
 
For the record, I would still draft Josh Gordon in the first couple of rounds...in my fantasy auto dealership league.




New car sales are worth 6 points
used cars = 4 points
luxury cars = 10 points


Ya think he has to sell at LEAST 12 cars the first weekend on the job, because people just want to say, "I bought a car from Josh Gordon."

You just don't want that guy playing against the team with John Elway on their roster. Guy owns his own dealership for crying out loud. That's fantasy suicide.
 
gordon should not be allowed in fantasy leagues without FAAB . gonna sucks to see leagues won because they picked up the #1 ppg WR last year off waivers because his season long suspension that was upheld at appeal was later overturned
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Reinstatement of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> WR Josh Gordon appears imminent. <a href="http://t.co/P2iXkUwvGM">http://t.co/P2iXkUwvGM</a></p>&mdash; Tony Grossi (@TonyGrossi) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/509293992677498880">September 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The Link

The Morning Kickoff …
J.G. on his way: The Browns never emptied Josh Gordon’s locker.
Twelve days after Gordon was suspended indefinitely – with his “eligibility for reinstatement (to be) determined following the 2014 season,” according to the principal’s note – Gordon’s neatly pressed jerseys and other team wear hang in his newly assigned locker, awaiting his return.
What does that tell you?
This wasn’t a 1- or 2- or 4-game suspension handed down by the NFL marijuana border patrol. This was the ultimate NFL suspension. INDEFINITE!!!! One-year minimum. Banishment.
Yet his locker wasn’t cleaned out? What, are they paying homage to him? Is there a candle in there somewhere burning until he returns?
Gordon’s high-powered team of lawyers, which set a record for volume of testimony in his appeal to the league “high court” on marijuana, never played the Star Caps chip and never filed suit seeking a court injunction to keep Gordon in uniform.
What does that tell you?
Gordon, a native of Houston, had no reason to stay in Cleveland during his indefinite suspension. He was locked out of Browns headquarters and unable to have any contact with the team. So why would he stay in Cleveland? To sell cars?
What does that tell you?
It tells me that that Gordon’s lawyers – probably even the Browns -- were tipped that he would be reinstated soon.
It’s all dependent on the NFL and the players union agreeing to a new drug policy, which could come as early Tuesday. If the union and the league dawdle, Gordon’s return would be delayed.
But his return is inevitable.
And when Gordon is reinstated, if I were him, I would sue for total reimbursement of every game check missed -- over $48,000 in his case.
Damage control: Gordon’s “crime” was testing positive for marijuana while he was in Stage 3 of the NFL’s flawed, if collectively bargained, substance abuse program.
Gordon reportedly registered a 16 (nanogram per millimeter) on the marijuana-o-meter – just 1 point above the ridiculously low NFL threshold of 15. Air traffic controllers are held to a threshold of 50. Olympic athletes have a threshold of 150.
The new NFL policy reportedly would set 50 as the new threshold, same as Major League Baseball.
Which would mean Gordon didn’t really flunk.
Which would mean Gordon was suspended for no reason.
Which would mean the leading receiver in the NFL last year should have been playing in Pittsburgh when the Browns lost by three points to the Steelers on Sunday.
Which would mean the Browns got kicked in the face by the Steelers (see: punter Spencer Lanning’s face mask meeting Antonio Brown’s right cleat) and by the NFL.
Meanwhile …
San Francisco pass rusher Aldon Smith received a nine-game suspension for violating two NFL policies.
Smith was suspended four games for a second drunken-driving arrest (substance abuse policy) and five games for a fracas in 2012 at a Smith party at which weapons were fired, Smith was stabbed, and five illegal weapons were found by detectives at Smith’s house (personal conduct).
Nevertheless, terms of Smith’s suspension allowed him to attend team meetings and use the 49ers’ facilities. Of course, he didn’t test positive FOR MARIJUANA.
Meanwhile …
Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice was suspended two games initially by the NFL in May for some sort of physical abuse of his future wife in an Atlantic City casino hotel elevator.
On Monday, the release of the security video inside the elevator by TMZ showed Rice belting his future wife with a hard left, dragging her out of the elevator on her knees and setting her on the floor, face down.
The video prompted the Ravens to fire Rice, to whom they had pledged their love and support. After the Ravens took the NFL off the hook, the NFL wielded an “indefinite” suspension.
Wow. That’s the same suspension as the one the NFL gave Gordon. For flunking a marijuana test by the slimmest of margins.
Of course, the players union had collectively bargained the terms of marijuana testing. I suppose that the idea of a football player belting a woman and dragging her out of an elevator never came up in league labor negotiations in 2011.
Another J.G. suspension to come: After Gordon is reinstated, he may eventually be subject to another suspension.
The league wants the new substance abuse policy to include a two-game suspension for a first-time DWI conviction. Gordon was arrested for DWI in Raleigh, NC, on July 5. Gordon’s hearing on that charge recently was postponed until November.
Drunken driving is a real bad thing. Suspension of Gordon for that offense, if convicted, would be justified.
The rest of this mess that the NFL and NFLPA find themselves in has been a bad comedy of errors.
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I'm so mad... dropped him in all 4 of my leagues I had him in, and he was scooped up days after when this news was originally announced and got him back in like 1 of my 9 leagues...fook me
 
Conflicting reports out there, but it looks like a new deal will be reached. Gordon should be playing at some point in this season, and at some point he may be catching passes from Football John. Must-see TV!
 
Gordon's schedule from week 10 on is not ideal, but he's match-up proof:

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[TD="align: center"]@ATL[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]@BUF[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]IND[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]CIN[/TD]
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Not so fast for Josh Gordon, apparently. I just read that since Josh's failed drug test came from 2013, it could mean the new drug policy wouldn't apply to it the same way a failed drug test in 2014 would.
 
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