is it too early to call for mike brown to be canned

[jimbof20]

another year, same old fucking bullshit...he is a piece of trash, even if the cavs win this game he is unreal...keeping wallys sorry ass out there the whole 3rd quarter and playing him at the 4 is retarded...andy,wally,west,boobie, and sasha for 7 mins is terrible, at least put z in, or mo williams..what the hell...im so frustrated with this guy

 

[counselor]

How could it be?

He still sucks...

His team still plays stupid with way too many turnovers and stupid fouls...

If anything, it's too late (as in way past due)

 

[jimbof20]

we still cant shoot fts, we still think z can post up outside the key and shoot fade aways,our rotation and offense is still horrid.. i mean seriously,were doing this again this year??and im done with wally, guy is too streaky,either plays great or just terrible

 

[CharlieBX]

nope...send his ass packing...somebody get lenny wilkens on the phone lol

 

[broadwayjoe]

it's game 1 vs the world champions with a new point guard...let's relax...i agree though that was pretty frustrating at times

 

[bee172]

i concur with mike brown needing to go man .. his offensive schemes are worst than some pick up games down at the local gym .. u have arguably the best athlete in the league and u got no plays except isolating him .. weakstick of a coach

 

[broadwayjoe]

didnt help that lebron played one of the worst games ive seen him play in a long time...killed ourselves with turnovers...boobie couldnt find his shot...and we were once again stellar from the stripe

 

[cogenman]

Yeah i couldn't believe he kept Wally at the power forward spot. Fuck, Leon Powe ate him up in the paint and he just kept him there. WTF.

 

[ddk997]

He's so focused on defense, his team doesn't even know what to do on offense but give the ball to lebron.

 

[frankiegotti]

I think you are correct and I think more than a new HC they need a new GM. Ferry has shown his inability to make deals to get players to make Lebron happy. While this organization dosen't exist to make Lebron happy it goes a long way towards keeping him in cleveland. I honestly believe if that he had a supporting cast and they stood a legitimate shot at winning the championship against a powerful west team that he would sit down a seriously negotiate staying longer but in his current situation, do you blame him?

 

[broadwayjoe]

i've been ferry's biggest critic, but these last two deals have been very good imo...

let's not overreact as us cleveland fans always seem to do. there's going to be an adjustment period when we're switching our offensive strategies with the new talent...now that doesn't exactly explain why lorenzen wright was on the floor for 10+ minutes or why wally played so much in a game where he was completely outmatched on the defensive end, but i didn't really expect to win this game anyways on the road considering last year's performances in boston, so i think it's very possible he was just fuckin around with a few things. it's going to take us a while, but i like this team and what we can do with the lineups and adjustments we can use with different types of role players....and i like that we play defense. it's rare on a team with a superstar. we will be just fine. patience, cavs fans

 

[broadwayjoe]

and boobie simply should not play the point. just because he played well at the position a few years ago in a 10 game stretch doesn't mean he's as effective and/or as comfortable there. he needs to spot up and shoot. you have west or williams at the point exclusively. if you must take west and williams out at the same time, lebron can even run the point for a few minutes at a time. i agree that lineup you mentioned is awful jimbof...you gotta put a consistent scorer out there. hopefully we'll see these types of things sooner rather than later.

 

[cappingbob]

if you must take west and williams out at the same time,

This is something that they need to make sure does not happen. They are the teams 2 point guards and 1 of them needs to be on the floor at all times. The other thing that frustrated me was why does Lebron need to catch the ball outside the 3 point line. I just do not understand why he will not post up consistantly because if he did he would kill whoever was guarding him.

Also if he does not learn how to make a free throw I might just scream!!!!!:hang:

 

[YesSir]

it's game 1 vs the world champions with a new point guard...let's relax...i agree though that was pretty frustrating at times

fuck that....He is terrible...The Cavs should have been beat by 30 last night. They are lucky that Boston could not make an open shot. Every single person from their team was killing the Cavs one on one. Mike Brown was supposed to bring in an "offensive coordinator" type coach, since he is a "defensive guy". That was supposed to happen the last 2 years and still nothing...Time for him to bounce.

Lebron should bring the ball up the court no more than 5 times per game!

Cavs get their asses beat every third quarter because they go back to letting lebron dominate the ball....unreal

 

[YesSir]

Mo Williams should be in there when LBJ is out...

Sasha is the worse basketball player in the world...dont get me started on him. He is a POS that held out last year, then came back and had one good game all year. He led the league in % of his shots getting blocked. Not to mention he thinks he is Jordan and travels every time.

 

[broadwayjoe]

fuck that....He is terrible...The Cavs should have been beat by 30 last night. They are lucky that Boston could not make an open shot. Every single person from their team was killing the Cavs one on one. Mike Brown was supposed to bring in an "offensive coordinator" type coach, since he is a "defensive guy". That was supposed to happen the last 2 years and still nothing...Time for him to bounce.

Lebron should bring the ball up the court no more than 5 times per game!

Cavs get their asses beat every third quarter because they go back to letting lebron dominate the ball....unreal

so bring in an off coordinator then...don't fire brown and tear everything down when we've been in the finals and conf finals. i have a feeling that lebron bringing the ball up has more to do with lebron than it does coaching anyways. he wants to do it and refuses to play off the ball when the game is tight, which is a mistake imo. of course, i think it's a mistake when he pulls up for a lazy 3 too, but that's a different story. just seems he's not fully buying into posting up, which i don't understand

sasha sucks. no argument there. whenever the opposing crowd gets loud he has to have the ball so he can travel his ass off.

and i agree that either mo or west should be on the floor at all times if possible...i was sayin lebron runs the point in the event they're both in foul trouble or one is and the other needs a breather, etc. not boobie. shoot 3s boobie. don't be tentative. that's why you're on the floor, and the only reason why. and although i thought he could help the team at the time, wally needs to be unloaded or at least benched until there is a slow 3 he can guard. defensive liability and he's not hitting his shots either on the other end -- we should be able to get rid of that expiring contract

 

[YesSir]

it's game 1 vs the world champions with a new point guard...let's relax...i agree though that was pretty frustrating at times

so bring in an off coordinator then...don't fire brown and tear everything down when we've been in the finals and conf finals. i have a feeling that lebron bringing the ball up has more to do with lebron than it does coaching anyways. he wants to do it and refuses to play off the ball when the game is tight, which is a mistake imo. of course, i think it's a mistake when he pulls up for a lazy 3 too, but that's a different story. just seems he's not fully buying into posting up, which i don't understand

sasha sucks. no argument there. whenever the opposing crowd gets loud he has to have the ball so he can travel his ass off.

and i agree that either mo or west should be on the floor at all times if possible...i was sayin lebron runs the point in the event they're both in foul trouble or one is and the other needs a breather, etc. not boobie. shoot 3s boobie. don't be tentative. that's why you're on the floor, and the only reason why. and although i thought he could help the team at the time, wally needs to be unloaded or at least benched until there is a slow 3 he can guard. defensive liability and he's not hitting his shots either on the other end -- we should be able to get rid of that expiring contract

I AGREE...They were supposed to bring in an "Offensive" mind for the past two years! Instead the offensive coach is too arrogant to bring one in. It is unreal how Cleveland sports continue to hire 2nd and 3rd tier coaches. When is the last time a Cleveland team hired a proven coach? The constantly want to find the "upcoming superstar coach". Romeo is terrible-his clock management is worse than pee wee stuff (seriously). Eric Wedge (who I hated the most) is the only coach that has made some progress. He also continues to make bone head adjustments and moves though. Do not even get me started on Borowski in the 9th when the Yankees teed off on him (A-Rod walk off GS).


As far as Lebron bringing the ball up? Yes of course it has to do with him to. Get a coach that he respects tell him to give up the ball, and he will. If he refuses then fine/bench/suspend him. As far as the lazy 3- I really do not have a problem with. He must shoot those deep jumpers to force the defense to guard him. Of course if he misses a few he should then attack more. He worked out kids at my school I work at all Summer. What did he show them? Post moves? He needs to take his big ass down there!

 

[broadwayjoe]

^oh i know yessir; crennel costed us that pitt game single-handedly with that shit at the end of both halves. and i hate wedge too. lack of discipline and respect is unreal on the browns. not a HUGE mike brown fan, and his lineup choices sometimes drive me up the wall, but i think he gets a little too much negativity sometimes.

colin cowherd had an awesome thought on "type A" personalities translating into good coaches and high level leadership positions in general...the type of take charge people that you know right away are going to move up the ladder. the people who sit back and have the same job for several years or move slowly up the ladder usually aren't cut out for executive level leadership as in a head coach, etc. i think he mentioned the wvu coaching example and how stewart isn't head coach material, and the psu example. he said one of the high-flying assistant coaches that get better positions every couple of years are the better choice. long-time loyal assistants used to a certain system should remain assistants. couldn't agree more, and maybe cleveland should take notice. there are no type-A personalities coaching cleveland teams, and that kills us.

back to the point, i think and hope lebron will play in the post a lot more now that mo williams is here...someone he seems to at least trust enough to play off the ball regularly. i don't think you can necessarily fine him or bench him...this is too delicate of a situation. i think he does like and respect mike brown, which is shown by his defensive improvement, but you need to let a player like that lead on the floor and make some decisions like that....but you also have to pound into his head how good of a thing it is for him to play off the ball

 

[ddk997]

Lebron will be playing in New Jersey anyways

 

[ontime23]

u wasted a 19 pick on JJ Hickson

 

[YesSir]

Hickson has been a beast and he was the best player (for this team) available


There is not a chance Lebron leaves

 

[jimbof20]

once again..killed in the third...they just cant play with the lead very well, never could...gotta accept that i guess...i love mo williams even more then i did before...great pickup

 

[YesSir]

They played great last night...They swung the ball, ran solid plays and looked great on both ends.. Coach of the year

Seriously though, there will be ups and downs every game...rarely does a team dominate the entire game

 

[broadwayjoe]

mike brown obviously read terry pluto's Plain Dealer article

 

[O-State]

Guys Brown is not the problem. I mean it's like Tressel, he's not the problem with Ohio State's offense.

--Cleveland is in about the same boat as last year IMO. They will go deep in the conference playoffs but they are not title contenders. Bottom line this is the same team as last year. Cavs are close, don't get me wrong, but they are missing a piece. Mo Williams is not the answer. First of all, one player does not speed up the entire team even though it's a point guard. Second, Williams is more of a shooting guard and so how he fits and how much better he makes the Cavs is yet to be determined but I only see it being marginally.

------It's really pretty simple. The Cavs don't have the all around talent. They don't have offensive players. The Cavs are one really good player away. You just do not see NBA title teams have one great player and not any really good players around him. Cavs have a bunch of pretty solid players but personally I've never seen a team win anything without at least two All Star caliber players. A Michael Redd away, and that's the truth.

 

[broadwayjoe]

you had to mention redd didn't you, o-state. hahahaah. i agree with almost everything you said, but i still think they can be champions with this team if we get the right matchup. we actually matchup good with the celts, and i think mo williams will be enough to get us over that hump. some of the west teams we match up okay with, and i think they'd have a tough time playing in cleveland in the finals...some of them we don't and we would have no shot ala a couple of years ago. agree with the mike brown comments, i think people are a little too hard on him, BUT there are definitely things he can do better and more consistently, particularly with his lineups.

Z isn't a perennial all-star, but he's close. everyone hates Z and i don't know why. cuz he's slow? so what. he's a consistent scorer and a good passer. and happens to be the only guy that can knock a FT down on our team.

think we have the right role players around lebron, and of course if we had someone else all-star caliber who could do BOTH create their own shot and shoot, we'd be unstoppable, but i think you're underestimating mo a little because he can do both of those things..just not on as high of a level as we would have liked. still, he's the only guy on our roster sans lebron who can. rest are spot up shooters or can't shoot. i think that's significant

 

[STEED]

fuck no its not too early. a blind, deaf 2 year old could coach lebron. fire his ass he sucks

 

[YesSir]

Guys Brown is not the problem. I mean it's like Tressel, he's not the problem with Ohio State's offense.

--Cleveland is in about the same boat as last year IMO. They will go deep in the conference playoffs but they are not title contenders. Bottom line this is the same team as last year. Cavs are close, don't get me wrong, but they are missing a piece. Mo Williams is not the answer. First of all, one player does not speed up the entire team even though it's a point guard. Second, Williams is more of a shooting guard and so how he fits and how much better he makes the Cavs is yet to be determined but I only see it being marginally.

------It's really pretty simple. The Cavs don't have the all around talent. They don't have offensive players. The Cavs are one really good player away. You just do not see NBA title teams have one great player and not any really good players around him. Cavs have a bunch of pretty solid players but personally I've never seen a team win anything without at least two All Star caliber players. A Michael Redd away, and that's the truth.

This is very wrong.. The Cavs are a title contender. If you think otherwise you are misinformed. How can you not call them a title contender? They are better and more experienced than the past 2 years (where they went to the finals and gave Boston their toughest series). Williams is All Star caliber, while Z has been there 2x. Talent wise I am not sure if there is a more talented/deep team in the league. Mo Williams is definately a PG. He is a scoring PG, what the Cavs needed. Also, they still have Wally (if they need to add a piece) to trade.

 

[YesSir]

as fire as the Brown not being at fault? He is has been in charge and has promised an offensive coach for the past 2 years. So if they do not get the job done, it falls on him.