Indiana vs Michigan State Informal Write-up

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Sparty O very deliberate, will huddle. Want to slow game down. Establish the run. Keep game low-scoring.

Offensive line play a disaster: four returning starters, but LT Chewins missed two games so far (he's still listed as questionable) and center been rotation, both centers been getting blasted. Lack of confidence--youth: experienced guys (Chewins and Beedle) with injury issues. Missing center Brian Allen. Lacking leadership at o-line. Need to get protection. Key to find balance on offense. Sparty hasn't been able to run the ball, can't find time for QB to throw. USU (Sparty right tackle got killed) and ASU got some decent pressure. Offense majorly on Lewerke's shoulders. IU: three sacks vs Ball State, last year three sacks vs Wiscy, Sparty, Maryland. IU D been very effective when at least getting a lot of hurries.

Sparty strength: Lewerke and receivers (but also protection issue). IU D ranked 8th nationally against the pass (soft schedule: FIU, UVa with dual-threat, Ball State) Senior leader Crawford at safety who leads team with 15 tackles, also has 2 TFL, one sack, one pick six. Two experienced corners in Riggins and Brown

MSU weakness (run game) = IU weakness. Young defense allowing 4.8 YPC. FIU ran pretty well, UVA had dual-threat quarterback, Ball State, though, had 200 yards rushing and gashed Indiana with explosive run plays (13, 14, 15, 25 yard runs) which is supposed to be a key trait of IU coach Tom Allen to stop. But Sparty couldn‘t even run vs ASU who let SD State run for 311 yards and who has new DC and lost major pieces to d-line

Defense: Top d-back Josiah Scott still missing, hurting pass defense. Layne holding his own against the best of the best (ie Harry). The problem is really the linebackers in pass coverage.

Run D looking great statistically but hasn't faced even the tiniest semblance of a formidable rush attack--opponents attacking through the pass. For example: Utah State's leading rusher 25 yards, 25 carries but QB Jordan Love moved ball downfield at will. ASU leading carrier 4.3 YPC.But interestingly, run is IU's focus. Will be hard to run against Sparty. Sparty: returning basically almost everyone on front 7. Stevie Scott power back for IU great start to the season, great for possession-oriented team, been huge component after injury to starting back Gest and suspension of rb Ellison, but also weak schedule so far, too much on freshman's shoulders against Sparty? But will be helped by veteran o-line returning everyone from a year ago. Great rotation of 8 or 9 guys. Unlike last year, staying healthy


IU needs to succeed in passing game (like USU, ASU)

IU loves up tempo (rare for Big 10 schools) and tempo has made Sparty's defense struggle in both games so far. Should exploit Sparty with quick passes out to flats. Deep group of receivers led by Hale and Westbrook (6-3 and 6-4), Sparty struggling to get pressure on quarterback. Put in bold because I feel like this is the key for IU here. Ramsey doesn't throw downfield but he doesn't need to. He can build rhythm with underneath throws against Sparty linebackers who since last year (see dink and dunk disaster vs NW) have proven to be weak in pass coverage. Much like USU and ASU.

IU plays Sparty very tough historically

Special teams: Punter out, quarterback will punt. IU has dangerous punt returner.

Up in the air: Sparty typically lays an egg in opener and then had to deal with Desert. Are the for real? How good is Stevie Scott really? Paltry Sparty rush attack vs young and struggling IU run defense.

A game worth watching to find things out about Sparty rush attack and IU run defense.

2016 again for Sparty?

Sparty off bye week means nothing based on recent history.


Broader scope:

Point total when LJ Scott averages fewer than 4 YPC. since 2017: 35 against Bowling Green, 17 vs Iowa, 17 vs Indiana, 17 vs Northwestern (thru 4Q) 27 vs Penn State, 3 vs Ohio State, 40 vs Rutgers, 38 vs Utah State, 13 vs Arizona State.

Penn State is the one conference exception here. PSU was deflated after the huge loss against Ohio State, had to hold a players-only meeting, totally lacked motivation. Lewerke threw for 400 yards there. Then Rutgers and Bowling Green

But otherwise we see no more than 17 points against a Power 5 school (not including Rutgers) when Scott can't run.

Let's see the defenses (in terms of 2017 opposing YPC) Sparty rush attack was dealing with: Bowling Green 128th, Iowa 49th, Indiana 38th, Northwestern 9th, Penn State 15th, Ohio State 3rd, Utah State was 79th last year (got gashed by Wiscy and Wake, but returned significant experience in front 7) Arizona State was 99th last year (5 YPC both home in desert and away) and lost significant pieces in front 7

Success running against: Minnesota 92nd, Western Michigan 69th, Maryland 89th (still only 17 points, game in snow so it was basically run only)

I think Sparty has its best game on the ground against retooling Indy o-line. So closer to 4 ypc. Between pass protection and Indy secondary Lewerke wont have too good of a day despite awesome receivers. I think maybe 23 points? Indy I think has the key on O with passing underneath. Sparty linebackers will have to respect the flats which can create more room up the middle for Stevie Scott, easily Sparty‘s most formidable opposing rush attack. I‘ll say 21-24 points for Indy.

Play: IU +5.5
 
If they aren't showing O improvement so far after thinking that that would be the area of most improvement on this team, how they going to fix that in 2 weeks after not fixing it this offseason or in ....years? When's the last time Michigan State had a really good O? Should've been this year really with the talent they have at skill positions, but OL sucks and so must the coaching/play calling.

So I am not expecting much better O out of them vs IU compared to what we have already seen.

The D is solid, but look at what they did vs ASU, you think the D played good enough to win...but then ASU was totally shut down by SDSt. Which SDSt is good. It just makes it appear like holding ASU to 16 pts isn't any significant feat.

The OL is embarrassingly bad.

Is Michigan State underachieving, or is this just who they are?
 
I know you posted the previous years off of a bye week elsewhere, not good results for MSU.

Early season bye weeks seem counterproductive. Teams are trying to get rhythm and still working on live game conditioning, especially important when facing uptempo offenses. With 3 straight weeks of games IU should execute better and be in better physical game shape.
 
HOW in the HELL can my Spartans be a -6 favorite @ Indiana after barely surviving Utah State @ East Lansing 38-31 as a -23 1/2 point fav THEN losing outright @ Arizona State 13-16 (Sun Devils then LOST the next week straight up @ Mountain West SDSU) ???

this game just REEKS of upset with Indiana moneyline +190 :confused:
 
HOW in the HELL can my Spartans be a -6 favorite @ Indiana after barely surviving Utah State @ East Lansing 38-31 as a -23 1/2 point fav THEN losing outright @ Arizona State 13-16 (Sun Devils then LOST the next week straight up @ Mountain West SDSU) ???

this game just REEKS of upset with Indiana moneyline +190 :confused:

I didnt know you also supported Spartans!!!
 
If they aren't showing O improvement so far after thinking that that would be the area of most improvement on this team, how they going to fix that in 2 weeks after not fixing it this offseason or in ....years? When's the last time Michigan State had a really good O? Should've been this year really with the talent they have at skill positions, but OL sucks and so must the coaching/play calling.

So I am not expecting much better O out of them vs IU compared to what we have already seen.

The D is solid, but look at what they did vs ASU, you think the D played good enough to win...but then ASU was totally shut down by SDSt. Which SDSt is good. It just makes it appear like holding ASU to 16 pts isn't any significant feat.

The OL is embarrassingly bad.

Is Michigan State underachieving, or is this just who they are?
A bit of overachieving last year created a lot of buzz...

Still holes to fill in.

Remember, team turmoil with all the player losses and defections from the arrests/kickoffs/transfers....

The biggest thing, the fanbase there has hated the play calling for years. And, they have had some bad o-lines as of late.
 
Last year was lucky in many ways. Two weather-related wins, a lot of close wins in general. Got killed by at least 20 points against only two good opponents (ND and OSU)
 
It's one of those things...we know we have not seen Michigan State play their best football. I mean, nobody thinks that USU and ASU are as good as MSU can perform, or maybe some do. So this is a good spot for them to get it right, they are being doubted, shit talked, all stuff this team typically feeds off of. The problem is the fix is not as simple as an on-off switch. They want to, but want to doesn't get results. At any rate, would expect max best effort here out of them. Same with IU though, to them this could be the first statement game in Allen's tenure and what he is preaching. Both teams are going to be very up for this game.
 
Sparty after by week:

2017: 38-18 loss vs Notre Dame

2015: 39-38 loss at Nebraska

2014: 49-37 loss vs Ohio State

2012: 23-20 loss vs Northwestern


Plenty of examples to show that Dantonio after a bye week is far from a guaranteed win/cover

I think 2012 was the only time they entered the bye week off a loss in that stretch.
 
ASU:

Passing: Prolific. Can scramble and otherwise be dangerous outside of pocket. Has nice arm, deep-ball capabality: inished 2017 with highest passer rating among Pac-12 quarterbacks on deep passes. Can go up-tempo

Future first-round WR in N'Keal Harry. Leads team in receptions and yards. Absolute beast with his size, speed, ability to go up for balls, good hands. Another deep threat in Frank Darby, altho he won't catch many passes. Running back plays noticeable role in passing game, helps offer shorter passing game.

Running game = non-existent: leading back = 2.1 YPC vs Sparty, 1.6 vs SD State. May have to do with makeshift o-line (relying on incoming transfers, key position changes)

Run defense: 99th in opposing YPC last year and extremely very heavy losses on d-line and linebackers creating huge question marks.

Pass defense: Good returning experience, new extremely aggressive DC. Not much of a pass rush.


IU:

Passing: Game manager. Mobile quarterback. Limited arm strength. Focus on shorter passing game. Likes tempo.

Lost top receiver Cobb. A mix of pretty good receivers, with not much of a clear #1. Hale, Westbrook, TImian. Westbrook was injured in 2017 but still viewed as Cobb's top replacement based on promise shown in 2016. Big play threat with size and extended catch radius. Hale is his biggest competition, also coming off injury, and he brings similar skill set and phyiscla ability.

Run game: Gest and Ellison injured/suspended but Stevie Scott been pleasant surprise: strong, grinder, workhouse mentality, falls forward. 5.6 YPC

Offensive line: 126 returning career starts, very strong and experienced.

Defense:

Defensive line and linebackers lose key pieces, suspect run D at 4.8 YPC (89th) with soft schedule but also had to deal with one running QB.

Secondary:

Budding youth and returning experience in corners Riggins and Brown. Safety Jonathan Crawford is a force in coverage and playmaker on the ground. Not much of a pass rush to help.



So....

ASU: more threat in pass attack, more of a vertical game. More reliant on pass. Big question marks in run D, promising secondary but lack of pass rush

Indiana: more shorter passing game, emphasis on power running. Big question marks in run D, pretty strong secondary but not much pass rush
 
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