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Unless one of Da Bears bite off one of Peyton's throwing fingers Da Bears will not be able to hang in this one.
Weather and Mannings hand are the two chances the Bears have.
Unless one of Da Bears bite off one of Peyton's throwing fingers Da Bears will not be able to hang in this one.
Weather and Mannings hand are the two chances the Bears have.
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What was the line of the Raiders/Buccs a few years back?
BetCrimes1984
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Yeah, Oakland was a narrow Fav. TBY was something like +170 on the ml.
TBy also scored 21 points from INT-TDs, without which that game would have been completely different. Gannon got sacked 5 times in that game. Bears are pretty much going to have to similarly shine to get the W, but Indy's line has been doing the job protecting Manning - no-one has come close to doing such a number on him as TBY did to Gannon that day.
TBy also scored 21 points from INT-TDs, without which that game would have been completely different. Gannon got sacked 5 times in that game. Bears are pretty much going to have to similarly shine to get the W, but Indy's line has been doing the job protecting Manning - no-one has come close to doing such a number on him as TBY did to Gannon that day.
jimbof20
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BetCrimes1984 said:
Betcrimes..Your right about noone touching manning this year..the only reason I say that is because I THINK Oak offense that year was just as good or better then Indys this year..And Id say Chicagos defense is better than TBs as well..Yea they scored off the turnovers but If I remember right TB offense was still shut down..Im old schoold I guess and say defense wins championships.
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Jimbof, I dont disagree. But noone has run on Indy in the post season, and dont see that changing. It'll come down to how well Rex throws, so while some see this as Indy's offense versus Bears defense, I think its the other way round.
This game will be decided by what happens with Rex's offense vs Indy's pass defense. No TOs and a decent pass completion % by Rex, and the Bears wont be losing ATS imo, for starters. But if the Bears cant get that from him, then I cant see their defense winning it by themselves. TBY did score 27 offensive points against Oakland after all, it wasnt like they won that SB as a one-dimensional team.
This game will be decided by what happens with Rex's offense vs Indy's pass defense. No TOs and a decent pass completion % by Rex, and the Bears wont be losing ATS imo, for starters. But if the Bears cant get that from him, then I cant see their defense winning it by themselves. TBY did score 27 offensive points against Oakland after all, it wasnt like they won that SB as a one-dimensional team.
jimbof20
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agreed, Grossman can be great or shitty..I didnt realize he was actually pretty close to the top in the amount of games with a qb rating like over 100%..then again he was at the very bottom in the amount of bad games....All you hear is about his bad ones though..I guess we'll see...One thing that happens a lot though is when media hypes up a team(like peyton and colts) and they are mainly what you hear about for a few weeks..they often lose..I had to go through it with ohio state.Gives the other team a chip on their shoulder .
jimbof20 said:
the title of this thread is ridiculous. chicago can not win this game straight up, mark my words and come back in here and let me have it if they do. not sayin the spread is on or off, but the bears will not win su. enough analyzing, enough trends, stats and all that bs, colts win. :cheers:
jimbof20
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STEED said:
Steed, Im sorry but I totally disagree with you..I think you are 100% percent wrong ..Im personally not saying Chi is gonna win but I sure think its possible, how you can say a 13-3 team with the best defense in the nfl,better special teams and a better coach has no chance to win is beyond me. If they win I wont come back and let you have b/c thats not my style but you being from Ohio State should know first hand anything is possible, GL
jimbof20
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Rex Grossman has 8 games this year(reg season) with a qb rating 95% + compared to peytons 7..rex has an edge so far in playoffs as well. We all know Grossmans had his bad games as well..Just a matter of who shows up..All the pressure is on Peyton.
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Got to take the points as I see that is where the value is. My thoughts:
1) Bear offensive line is very physical and even though the Colts are improved in the playoffs with a healthy Bob Sanders, I still think they are a fraud against good physical teams. The Bears fit that mold.. NE had their way IMO with the Colts in the first H in the trenches. Things got out of whack in the 2nd Half but the Bears have a clear advantage on offense vs soft Colt run defense. No one can disagree with that. I fully expect the Colts to put eight in the box on down 1 and 2 which leaves it up to Rex. I think Rex will be fine versus an run stop oriented defense.. To be honest, I don't think the Colts can stop the Bears run offense with eight in the box, but we will see.
2) Bear defense is better than NE IMO. The rush will be big and Dallas Clark will not run free in the middle of the field. Not a chance. Harrison is a shadow of what he used to be. Remember this is the same Colt offense that did not score a TD for 20 consecutive drives in the playoffs.
I am the same guy who played the Bills plus points every year and lost-- that said I am a sucker for value and clearly +7 is value in XLI.
Bob Sanders has not practiced yet this week by the way.. Dude is a stud but will require surgery in the off-season and came up gimpy several times vs Pats..
1) Bear offensive line is very physical and even though the Colts are improved in the playoffs with a healthy Bob Sanders, I still think they are a fraud against good physical teams. The Bears fit that mold.. NE had their way IMO with the Colts in the first H in the trenches. Things got out of whack in the 2nd Half but the Bears have a clear advantage on offense vs soft Colt run defense. No one can disagree with that. I fully expect the Colts to put eight in the box on down 1 and 2 which leaves it up to Rex. I think Rex will be fine versus an run stop oriented defense.. To be honest, I don't think the Colts can stop the Bears run offense with eight in the box, but we will see.
2) Bear defense is better than NE IMO. The rush will be big and Dallas Clark will not run free in the middle of the field. Not a chance. Harrison is a shadow of what he used to be. Remember this is the same Colt offense that did not score a TD for 20 consecutive drives in the playoffs.
I am the same guy who played the Bills plus points every year and lost-- that said I am a sucker for value and clearly +7 is value in XLI.
Bob Sanders has not practiced yet this week by the way.. Dude is a stud but will require surgery in the off-season and came up gimpy several times vs Pats..
Did you guys watch the NE - Indy game? No one got to Manning? Did you watch the 1st H or every possession before that penalty took away a NE 1st down which changed the momentum of the game? Manning was hurried everytime he dropped back till the NE defense just wore down. The Indy OL did not play well.
As the ONE who said the Colts rushing defense wasnt nearly as bad as the hype led you to believe I say look at the Raven game again. The Ravens didnt run much but they had some success doing it. Which tells me there Run defense in this Bears game wont be as good as it was vs KC and NE. Not to mention Jones and Benson a re much better then Lewis and Anderson. Dont think Indy will stop Chi ground attack. Thomas Jones played that Championship Game with a HUGE CHIP on his shoulder. Cedric Benson ran harder on every possession then 99% of the backs I watched this year.
Great point about Bob Sanders remeber when play was stopped late when he went down? He gets two weeks but at any minute it could be his last play.
Also I dont think this is anything like Oak -TB. For one they were very similiar teams except Oak had that gimmick offense. Which all that it was to me with Garner and Gannon. I dont think this game is anything like that actually.
I walked away from the NE game thinking Manning can still be rattled. his INT total is alarming in the playoffs. I defended him after the miscommunications in game 1 but he didnt improve greatly. Look at the problems they had at Baltimore and Chi offense is MUCH BETTER..Grossman is hit or miss no doubt they have a great foundation around him.
GL all..
As the ONE who said the Colts rushing defense wasnt nearly as bad as the hype led you to believe I say look at the Raven game again. The Ravens didnt run much but they had some success doing it. Which tells me there Run defense in this Bears game wont be as good as it was vs KC and NE. Not to mention Jones and Benson a re much better then Lewis and Anderson. Dont think Indy will stop Chi ground attack. Thomas Jones played that Championship Game with a HUGE CHIP on his shoulder. Cedric Benson ran harder on every possession then 99% of the backs I watched this year.
Great point about Bob Sanders remeber when play was stopped late when he went down? He gets two weeks but at any minute it could be his last play.
Also I dont think this is anything like Oak -TB. For one they were very similiar teams except Oak had that gimmick offense. Which all that it was to me with Garner and Gannon. I dont think this game is anything like that actually.
I walked away from the NE game thinking Manning can still be rattled. his INT total is alarming in the playoffs. I defended him after the miscommunications in game 1 but he didnt improve greatly. Look at the problems they had at Baltimore and Chi offense is MUCH BETTER..Grossman is hit or miss no doubt they have a great foundation around him.
GL all..
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SportsNut said:
I have been discussing this same point ad nauseum with one of my friends. Here's the deal: while the Colts have held 2 of their opponents under 100 yards rushing, they were only able to do so because the opponent gave up on the run.
For example, KC, a team who has a rushing stud in LJ, only had 17 attempts for 44. Baltimore, who also has at the very least a good RB in Lewis, had 20 attempts for 84 yards. Finally, while NE had 30 attempts for 125 yards, Belichick thought it best to go to the air for 47 attempts. (Mini rant: if Belichick would have stuck to the run a bit more, I think we would be discussing a Bears/Pats matchup, but I digress). The point is: for whatever reason, teams were panicking and gave up on the run. The Colts burned those teams that did so.
So, here is the key to a potential Bears win: stick to the run. I remember hearing a radio announcer saying that if you do so, those 1-2 yard gains in the first quarter turn into 5, 8, and even 15 yard runs in the 4th quarter. The Bears have a huge advantage where even if they do not get into the opposition's territory, they can punt and then get the ball back quickly and continue running the ball. I had a crystal clear realization during the Bears/Saints game that I am sure a lot of you have already had: Grossman just needs to complete a few short/mid range passes and the Bears are in good shape. The Bears are an excellent rushing team, they had 46 rushing attempts against the Saints for 196 yards. I am not saying I expect the Bears to do the same against the Colts, but 46 rushing attempts equals in my eyes more time of possession and Manning on the sideline twiddling his thumbs. If Lovie stays committed to the run, I really like the Bears to cover and potentially fly home from Miami with a big win.
jimbof20 said:
jim, lol you bring up a good point. Ohio State got their shit stomped in by Florida which was totally unexpected in a similar 7 point spread game. however, that was college and this is the NFL. YOU DO bring up great points and i see your reasoning....i guess this is the reason for sites like this, differing opinions. i just can't see peyton and dung screwing up in this one on a neutral field. yeah they struggled on their own field last week but i dont know. i am just not sold on sexy rexy and the bears. i know im a little biased and probably bettin w/ my heart a bit because i've rode the colts on year, but from a straight up stand point, i just cant see it happening. regardless, you may be right and i wish you the best of luck either way. should be an entertaining game :shake:
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Yeah comparing the overrated Buckeyes to the Colts is very laughable.
The Colts have more than 3 or 4 NFL caliber players on each side of the ball sort of similar to how Florida did. Football is a team sport regardless of how many TDS LJ and LT score its still a team sport.
You have the ultimate team player in Manning who has been humbled to a point of realizing he can't do it all. You can pull stats, facts, whatever you want put dont tell me Lovie Smith is a better coach than Dungy.
That is freaking ludicrous imo. Yes the Bears have a shitty offense that gets to play under zero pressure 95% of the time. The defense has been strong for years and each year it gets better. I personally think the Bears could really go on a Pats like run if they get any consistency at QB or from the head coach. Just because Lovie stuck with Gross doesnt make him a genius. I have questioned many of his decisions throughout the year. Yeah so I had Bears on my fantasy team he still doesnt make the brightest offensive decisions. I liken it more to an AND1 NFL tour when the Bears are on offense.
However, this is Peytons party and the Colts will score 20 and win the game. Or they will score 50+1 if need be but the Colts will score enough to BEAT the Bears. Spreadwise is a whole different ballgame.
I had money on Tampa Bay and my coworker picked them to win it in Week 3. I honestly think as a total unit that Tampa team had a much better defense than what you will see from Chicago in the SuperBowl.
Take away the 2 key injuries and I will give the early season Chicago D alot more credit. The Bears have not been solid defensively down the stretch. Maybe in spurts but nothing and I do mean NOTHING like the first 8 weeks when the whole damn world thought they may go undefeated.
Now you want to crown em CROWN THEIR ASS.....They are what I know they are......second place in the NFL and a bunch of lowlife heartless pricks.
The Colts have more than 3 or 4 NFL caliber players on each side of the ball sort of similar to how Florida did. Football is a team sport regardless of how many TDS LJ and LT score its still a team sport.
You have the ultimate team player in Manning who has been humbled to a point of realizing he can't do it all. You can pull stats, facts, whatever you want put dont tell me Lovie Smith is a better coach than Dungy.
That is freaking ludicrous imo. Yes the Bears have a shitty offense that gets to play under zero pressure 95% of the time. The defense has been strong for years and each year it gets better. I personally think the Bears could really go on a Pats like run if they get any consistency at QB or from the head coach. Just because Lovie stuck with Gross doesnt make him a genius. I have questioned many of his decisions throughout the year. Yeah so I had Bears on my fantasy team he still doesnt make the brightest offensive decisions. I liken it more to an AND1 NFL tour when the Bears are on offense.
However, this is Peytons party and the Colts will score 20 and win the game. Or they will score 50+1 if need be but the Colts will score enough to BEAT the Bears. Spreadwise is a whole different ballgame.
I had money on Tampa Bay and my coworker picked them to win it in Week 3. I honestly think as a total unit that Tampa team had a much better defense than what you will see from Chicago in the SuperBowl.
Take away the 2 key injuries and I will give the early season Chicago D alot more credit. The Bears have not been solid defensively down the stretch. Maybe in spurts but nothing and I do mean NOTHING like the first 8 weeks when the whole damn world thought they may go undefeated.
Now you want to crown em CROWN THEIR ASS.....They are what I know they are......second place in the NFL and a bunch of lowlife heartless pricks.
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