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NFL Upside Justifies Investment in ‚First QB Drafted‘ Prop


The NFL draft begins on April 26, 2018. This year’s edition could see more quarterbacks being taken early than last year’s. With the Cleveland Browns drafting first, they’ll likely determine which one gets drafted first.


Despite having worse statistics, USC’s Sam Darnold displays the upside that justifies an investment in him to be drafted first. Because of this upside, Darnold is an excellent underdog pick over UCLA’s Josh Rosen, who is favored because he is currently more NFL-ready.


Re-watching the USC-UCLA game yields insight into the differences between both quarterbacks. Rosen is arguably a better decision-maker. He is more comfortable staying inside the pocket and going through his progressions. Darnold is more dangerous with his feet, but also more likely to make mistakes. His mechanics aren’t as smooth and he’s more likely to bail out of a clean pocket. Rosen makes poor decisions as well, but Darnold makes more, partly because he gives himself more opportunity to do so by being so willing to leave the pocket. In terms of determining who is NFL-ready, the key statistical difference is that Rosen committed 13 turnovers, Sam Darnold committed 23. The difference in turnover vulnerability attests to Rosen’s superior mechanics and decision-making ability.


Besides turnovers, the two quarterbacks are similarly-sized and have similar statistics, keeping in mind that Rosen wasn’t able to achieve so many passing yards in 2017 due to injury. There are, however, four extra factors that speak for an underdog investment in Darnold.


For starters, Rosen has explicitly said that he does not want to play in Cleveland. But Darnold is willing.


For all of Rosen’s reliability as a passer, he has been more mistake-prone on the road. In 2017, he threw 8 picks on the road, compared to 2 at home. Half of an NFL team's games are on the road. Will Rosen be able to avoid turning the ball over too frequently in those eight games?


Another factor is experience. Teams aren’t looking to draft a player based on how he will perform in one season. They are looking for a long-term solution, one that the Browns are desperate for at quarterback because it is hard to win (the Browns went 0-16 in 2017) when your quarterback only completes 53% of his passes and turns the ball over 28 times. So Rosen is more polished and more likely to succeed than Darnold in 2018. But he has also had more opportunities to become polished because he has thrown 324 more collegiate passes than Darnold. Darnold is really young. He only played two seasons at USC.


The final factor is the „it“ factor. Teams are not simply looking for solid mechanics and decision-making because those things can be improved. Mechanics and decision-making aren’t inherent qualities like height or speed. Green Bay’s superstar Aaron Rodgers is a classic example of a quarterback who altered his mechanics, now holding his ball much lower in order to generate a smoother arm motion. Another legend Peyton Manning is famous for improving his decision-making in order to throw vastly fewer interceptions. While the Browns can assume that they can polish the young Darnold, they will already have a playmaker who, for instance against UCLA, displayed his ridiculous ability to make throws into tight windows while escaping the pocket. When he does leave the pocket, he is more likely to create a larger gain. This mobility is an important asset to a Cleveland quarterback because the Browns’ pass protection ranked in the bottom-ten last season. It also adds more excitement to a team which sorely lacks playmakers.


Rosen is more NFL-ready, sure, but Darnold possesses more upside. He’s a better long-term investment for the Browns (or any other team) and a very reasonable underdog investment for bettors.


NFL Pick: Sam Darnold +125
 
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2018 NFL Draft Props
1st Quarterback Drafted

75001 Sam Darnold (USC) +125
75002 Josh Rosen (UCLA) +100
75003 Mason Rudolph (Oklahoma State) +1600
75004 Luke Falk (Washington State) +5000
75005 Josh Allen (Wyoming) +600
75006 Lamar Jackson (Louisville) +1400
75007 Will Grier (West Virginia) +3300
75008 Nick Fitzgerald (Mississippi State) +5000
75011 Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) +2500
 
Absolutely nuts that Rudolph is ahead of Mayfield. Lamar is the true wildcard in this...if Rosen won't sign with Cleveland I'm still not sure why they wouldn't draft and trade...not like that precedent hasn't been set
 
its gonna be darnold. whether its Cleveland or they trade the pick, hes gonna go number one. rosen to the giants has been in the works forever now. and I really cant see the browns taking Allen at 1. I mean, they are the browns, but that would even be bad for them.

I actually think there might be SOME value in Mayfield, but as much as I like him as a player, its not gonna happen...especially now that darnold is coming out and not going back to college.

yeah, its gonna be darnold, don't over think it.
 
its gonna be darnold. whether its Cleveland or they trade the pick, hes gonna go number one. rosen to the giants has been in the works forever now. and I really cant see the browns taking Allen at 1. I mean, they are the browns, but that would even be bad for them.

I actually think there might be SOME value in Mayfield, but as much as I like him as a player, its not gonna happen...especially now that darnold is coming out and not going back to college.

yeah, its gonna be darnold, don't over think it.

Allen will be better NFL player than mayfield, especially in a cold weather city like Cleveland.
 
disagree but well see. Josh Allen is Christian Hackenburg to me.

How dumb would the Browns be to take Allen at 1. Even if that is their guy, trade the pick for a package and take him at 4.
 
Browns have proven to be pretty dumb, makes this a really tough thing to guess at imo, whoever the "right guy" is what are odds browns take that guy?
 
No more than the brees comparisons.

All Mayfield has to do is take one regular season snap and he will have accomplished something that Hackenberg never will. I think Mayfield can be similar to Brees and Wilson but we will see.
 
Fair enough but he can't possibly be worse than Hackenberg who most likely will never see a snap in a regular season NFL game ever.

Prob not, just matching hyperbole with hyperbole. I don't think he resembles a NFL qb but I'm wrong about shit all the time so maybe I am again, who knows? Clearly not the scouts very often, and surely not browns scouts, lol.
 
2daBank, obviously you have the right to your opinion and you could be 100% right about Mayfield. I do have 1 question...did you think Russell Wilson was going to be bad when he was coming out?

The reason I ask is that like Wilson (again, not saying Mayfield is Wilson), Mayfield has had on field success but his measurable don't stack up to what is generally accepted as acceptable. That is why Wilson lasted so long. I generally like qbs who have won at a high level of college ball over the guys who cant complete 50% of his passes in a shitty conference (it was ridiculous that deshaun Watson lasted so long for this reason too). Obviously there are guys like Tebow, Jason White, Eric Crouch, who succeeded in good conferences and didn't do shit, but I don't think Mayfield was as much as a system guy as they were.

It will be interesting for sure
 
The annual "he's a 6-5 white dude with a rocket for an arm but lets ignore his actual results, bad decisions, bad mechanics and bad play" pre-draft hype has begun
 
Article is up. Just trying to stay concentrated on these things, hopefully the quality is ever so good.
 
2daBank, obviously you have the right to your opinion and you could be 100% right about Mayfield. I do have 1 question...did you think Russell Wilson was going to be bad when he was coming out?

The reason I ask is that like Wilson (again, not saying Mayfield is Wilson), Mayfield has had on field success but his measurable don't stack up to what is generally accepted as acceptable. That is why Wilson lasted so long. I generally like qbs who have won at a high level of college ball over the guys who cant complete 50% of his passes in a shitty conference (it was ridiculous that deshaun Watson lasted so long for this reason too). Obviously there are guys like Tebow, Jason White, Eric Crouch, who succeeded in good conferences and didn't do shit, but I don't think Mayfield was as much as a system guy as they were.

It will be interesting for sure

I loved Watson, thought he was by far the best choice, what he did against bama twice imo showed he was incredibly capable of succeeding in the NFL.

Far as Wilson I'm not gonna sit here and say I knew he was gonna be this good (clearly nobody did), but I liked him much more than mayfield coming out. He wasn't surrounded by as much talent in college, he played in pro style offense unlike mayfield who plays in a system and conf that has made a lot of Sooners qb's look better than they are.

I was beyond pissed when rams drafted Bradford as again I thought system, talent around him, and no defense conf made him look a lot better than he was. I think much the same of mayfield, he was put in position to succeed in a offense incredibly favorable for qb's to put up numbers. He was a excellent college player, not taking anything away from that, thing is being a great college qb has never guaranteed success at the next level.

We shall see, as I've said I got no problem admitting I'm wrong all the time. That said mayfield succeeding in NFL would shock me more than pretty much anything.
 
alright, fair, I was just making sure you were one of those "every qb has to be 6'3" guys, but those are good points and we shall see. ive been wrong from time to time too, as many people here know haha. although I still say RG3 would have been good if he didn't get hurt!
 
More than his size I think he has maturity issues which sometimes get fixed but often times don't. And honestly I just don't love the way it looks when the ball comes out of his hand. I just picture that in a cold, windy environment and I dunno, don't think it be good. Maybe I'm crazy but I just don't see a NFL qb when I watch him.

I havnt seen Allen nearly enough to say whether he is or not, I know his completion percentage kinda poor which usually not a good omen.
 
Sorry to be annoying here. Can someone please tell me if this is able to be bet on somewhere, in some book. And if so, what all the odds are? It was apparently taken down last week. Trying to get this article submitted lol. Thanks
 
How can anyone have a true opinion on Allen? He's all over the place, has plenty of tools but had absolutely nothing to work with last season. Good luck thinking you're correct.

Big cold weather QB is a plus
 
I hear my man Josh is now co-favorite! Now who's the troll who's the troll not me! (*awaiting rebuttal from Utah* but still)
 
Serious question.... I am of the opinion (and this will sound crazy) that the Browns are not that far away in the talent deprartment. And they have a GM who is lauded universally for his scouting ability. Why not take some of your picks and make it work for Cousins... I can name several close 4th quarter games which the Browns win with a guy of his caliber. Why not go for it? Hes 29 and they would instantly have some credibility. I just never hear the Browns involved.
 
The annual "he's a 6-5 white dude with a rocket for an arm but lets ignore his actual results, bad decisions, bad mechanics and bad play" pre-draft hype has begun

But he played near where wentz played and had Wentz oc as his head coach

Plus like he said, stats are for losers, wins matter (don't look at his record)
 
Serious question.... I am of the opinion (and this will sound crazy) that the Browns are not that far away in the talent deprartment. And they have a GM who is lauded universally for his scouting ability. Why not take some of your picks and make it work for Cousins... I can name several close 4th quarter games which the Browns win with a guy of his caliber. Why not go for it? Hes 29 and they would instantly have some credibility. I just never hear the Browns involved.

That's the smart move and now that they finally have a football brain at gm id be surprised if they don't try, they were supposedly in for Smith

Sign cousins, take Chubb and Barkley and you have a very dangerous offense with cousins, Barkley, Gordon, Coleman could be something, and a good oline

A d line with Chubb and Garrett rushing the qb, Shelton could be a very good dt

Peppers is a play maker

They have a ton of other draft capital too
 
So can someone hook me up with the latest odds por favor? One of these days, this article will be published lol
 
So can someone hook me up with the latest odds por favor? One of these days, this article will be published lol

BoL is the only site who put out lines since September, every article published has cited their odds. Since the season is over and FA/draft season is starting with more coaching changes still possible, they've taken down the odds.

These articles all cite BoL lines

http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/who-will-be-first-quarterback-drafted-nfl-draft
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/story.cfm/story/1903728
https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/2018-nfl-draft-who-will-be-the-first-qb-selected/
https://www.fantasylabs.com/articles/qb-selected-first-2018-nfl-draft/
https://www.gamblingsites.com/blog/...l-be-taken-first-in-the-2018-nfl-draft-41975/

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