For all those that still doubt the G-Men...

BlitzBandit

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will win over 5 to 6 games this season...



There was alot of early talk about how the G-Men won't win over 5 or 6 games this season and how the possibility was even there for them to start 0-4...


well.. they have played 3 division foes (Philly, Washington, and Dallas)... and went 2-1 against them.. and they played Dallas close even though their defense was nothing short of pathetic... plus it was on the road... still gotta replay Dallas at home...

they still have injury issues (and Jacobs is still out)...



on to top things off, this is how their next four games on the schedule looks...




they get the Jets at home...

they go to Atlanta...

they get the Niners at home...

then they have the Dolphins at home...




it is actually possible they can win those 5 or 6 games by mid-season... wouldn't you say??
 
so was that 3rd down play from Romo to Hurd with 3 min left and the Boys up only by 3... a miscue there and it's punt time... but like I said, the defense was nothing short of pathetic in that one...

I still like that huge comback against Philly last year better... and it got paid back later in the season with Young and the Titans making a huge comback against them...

whether the skin win gets paid back or not I'm not sure, but the G-Men have actually been pretty good at comebacks... it's not the first time it's happened... and it won't be the last...

anyway... my point is just saying the G-Men are good enough to be over .500 this year... whether you count that Washington win or not... the defense is still nothing spectacular, but it should never have been as horrible as they started off... that was overboard... things will get better.
 
is jacobs back this wk? hes been cluttering my injury filled fantasy roster.
 
Who was laughing at C-Gold calling the Giants a 10-6 team?

I said if they could just go 2-3 to start the year... ( ideally 3-2) that they could blow through the middle part of their schedule. Those are 4 pretty fortunate games right there in front of them with Jets, Atlanta, 69ers, Miami.

The Giants will start that harder first 5 part of their schedule either 2-3 or 3-2 with their starting running back out, Steve Smith out, Osi had been hurt, Strahan has been getting into playing speed, they were trying to work Kiwi into a brand new position etc.

ESPN and the pundits wrote that team off completly because " Tiki was that entire offense" and they "lost their left tackle".

Let that fucking elitist prick Tiki Barber sit in the booth and criticise Eli and Coughlin all he wants, while the offense doesn't miss a beat with Derrick Ward. Ward has played better than anyone could have imagined, and actually has a style similiar to Tiki.

Derrick Ward proves the point that the Giants are a very "running back friendly" offense, almost in the same way the colts are. Eli is certainly not nearly as good a Peyton, but he IS better than almost all of the other quarterbacks in the league as far as reading defenses go. Look at his pre-snap reads. He points out the blitz, and effectivly calls audibles.

If the defense stacks 8 or 9 in the box, Eli points out the blitz, and isn't affraid to throw the ball down field.

If the defense is shaded too heavy to one side, Eli will call a run audible for his back, giving him a very favorable situation to run in. It is not like Kevin Gilbride calls a play and Eli "has" to run it, he does "omaha" quite a bit. That helps his running back pick up stats and move the chains.

The Giants offense there is actually a threat downfield to throw the pass. Eli doesn't drop back and immediatley turn to his right and throw to his running back in the flat like Jason Campbell, Alex Smith or a lot of the other young quarterbacks. Eli is very into reading the defense and trying to make them pay. Now as he is getting more experience, he is gaining more success. He doesn't have those easy dink and dunk training wheels on where he is " starting" but not really learning anything. The Giants are giving him a lot of freedom.

People were talking about how "average" Eli was, while they were hyping up the Leinarts, Smiths, Jason Campbells, Cutlers etc. How did all those " young guns" work out? Is Phillips Rivers still cleary better than Eli too?

One of the main weaknesses I see with the Giants defense, is their 3 linebackers inability to cover the pass. Antonio Pierce just isn't athletic enough, Kiwi is much more effective in a 3 point stance rushing the passer, and K.Mitchell doesn't have good awareness in the passing game ( and dropped and easy Mcnabb int sunday). Teams with good tight ends ( Dallas) should expose that giants pass rush.

In general I would like to see Kiwi on the line pressuring the quarterback and NOT playing LB, but Spagnola was doing what the Eagles did last year with lineman Juqua Thomas. They would have him line up as a MLB, and disguise which gap he was going to rush the passer from on 3rd and long so that they can more effecticly stunt. I like that.

I also like having Osi at LE, Tuck at DT, Kiwi at DT, and Strahan at RE. That is a freaking sick pass rush. I know Justin Tuck is a little undesized to play DT on 1st and 2nd downs and is more of a natural end, but the guy is so damn quick at DT. He can rack up a lot of sacks with that quickness against slower offensive guards. He is just so damn quick in there at tackle on passing downs.

Aaron Ross looks a hell of a lot better than the rookie CB the Jets took ( D. Reeves). Tell SHSU Horn to keep loading those guys with whatever water they have back in Texas. I think the Giants 4 DBs aren't that bad. I have been very impressed with Gibril Wilson, the guy is playing for a contract and he has been everywhere.

Sam Madison is a much better player in man/man coverage than he is in zone. Dockery isn't that bad, Mcquarters isn't that bad, and I still think Webster will come around. I think the weak link in the secondary is Butler. If the Giants can't get a stud LB in the draft next year, maybe look at bringing in a stud FS or maybe even DT if Joseph is out.

The Giants only 2 losses were to two undefeated teams. Dallas was a pretty close game IN DALLAS, and the Giants weren't that far off of Green Bay before that late fumble on special teams. They were losses, but to two pretty decent teams... now they play the weaker competition.

I'd also worry about Lawernce Tynes. The guy has already missed multiple extra points, and chip shot field goals. I think he missed the first chip shot FG of two games. That hurts when the offense drives down the field to start a game and gets no points.

Not only is tynes shaky as a FG kicker, but his kickoffs are weak as well. Sometimes they do land at the opponents endzone, but he kicks them at such a low trajectory that their " hang time" doesn't give his coverage unit ample time to get on down field.

I personally think that
1) You can't afford to miss XPs and chip shot FGs because eventually it will come back to haunt you, and you will lose GAMES from that crap. A FG kicker is almost like a closer in baseball in that regard.
2) Field position is so important, you NEED a guy who can deliver strong kicks on kickoffs. What if an opponenet were to gain an extra 5-10 yards per kickoff based on a weak kicker?

I know teams don't want to have 2 kickers and 1 punter on a roster, but kickers are so valueable. If the guy doesn't do his job, you WILL lose games. I also consider a kicker who can consistantly pound the ball into the endzone an valued weapon for any team.

would you rather keep a 8th linebacker or 6th receiver who won't do much but be depth and COVERAGE on special teams, or would you rather have a kick off specialist that will pretty much guarantee you extra yards of field position every time he kicks the ball.

I am totally for having 2 kickers.
 
Yeah, I still don't believe this is anywhere close to a 10 win team, but I've been wrong before and I did have them at 8-8/9-7 before the season so who knows.

When I did schedules I had them at 2-2 at this point, then I have them losing to the Jets (which I now wonder about), winning their next two then losing in Miami to go into the bye at 4-4.

I will say, that Philly win was huge for them. Bad spot with those injuries, but to come out and play like they did was very, very impressive.
 
but you know what pisses me off...

Last year when the giants " failed', they had enormous injuries, but everybody discounted them. They still made the playoffs with all of those injuries, and that brutal schedule.

right now the eagles suck, and they are blaming it all on "injuries" and it is ok for them to do that, but not the Giants.

There really isn't much of a difference between a 9 win team and a 10 win team joe. Especialy when you probably chalked them up for a loss against Philly and @ Washington.

Eli can win on the road, and even besides that huge comeback in week 2 last year in Philly, that Denver game in New York the year before was amazing as well.

I don't understand how people see Eli as so "bad" or average, but then they love Leinart, Alex Smith, Cutler, Campbell, Rivers so much.
 
How much of last week's performance was the eagles' o-line being shitty and how much of it was the giants' pass rush just being that good? I'd imagine some of both, but is the giants D that good?

I was formerly under the impression that the PHI o-line wasn't too shabby. Has this changed? Trying to get a feel for whether or not to back NYG in the future. The offense has never been in question in my opinion; I think Eli has the potential to be a good or great qb; and I am very big on plaxico and amani toomer. The question has been the defense this year, which looked terrible until last week. Have they hit a turning point or was it a fluke? I like them a lot -3 vs. NYJ, but would like some more input before locking it in.
 
I don't blame the Eagles' start on injuries, I blame Andy. Now, I blame part of the NY loss on Westbrook not being available, but really that loss the second loss which I blame on the O-line. I don't even blame the GB loss on special teams, well, I do, but I blame it on the O-line just as much because they looked like dogs**t there, too.

The Washington loss was Donovan's fault, that and coaching.

Sadly as you can see with us Eagle fans, there's always someone to blame on our own team.

Actually, I had the Giants beating Philly when I did the schedule, which I should have paid attention to before betting the other way the other night, I flipped the Washington and GB games, that's where I've missed on them so far.

Frankly, I really don't know how that Jets game goes, maybe my preseason call will be right, but I haven't really looked at it yet.

I think Eli's fine, until you put pressure on him, then I think he makes bad decisions. I actually think it runs in th family it's just that Peyton's gotten better at it.

But that's how NE always used to beat Indy, jamming their receivers and generating pressure. The former threw off the timing of the routes and the latter forced Peyton into snap decisions on plays that weren't developing like he expected.

Also, let's not kid ourselves, Peyton has more weapons than Eli.
 
I was formerly under the impression that the PHI o-line wasn't too shabby. Has this changed?

Yes and no. It's changed in that the talent is there but, for reasons I cannot explain, the motivation at times is not.

Now, Justice the other night, he was filling in and he's young--and they should have helped him. But the rest of them are smart and talented, they just mailed it in.

The problem with the Eagles is incredibly simple. Westbrook is what drives that team. The more Andy forces the offense through Donovan, the worse they are offensively. Because not one of these receivers can create separation from a DB and not one scares anybody enough to draw double coverage.

Westbrook on the other hand, draws attention, when you don't use him, you force Donovan to throw into little tiny windows and thankfully he doesn't so much throw it to the wrong team, but he doesn't really complete them either.

Sorry, that gets into the rest of the offense, but obviously, if you decide you're not going to block for a guy it doesn't much matter how talented you are at any of the skill positions.
 
Blitz.....got a question for you...

Why isnt Aaron Ross returning punts??? If Coughlin was smart he would put him back there
 
Eli is bad when you pressure him?

What quarterback do you honestly like when he is constantly pressured? Donovan was constantly pressurd last week and what the heck did he do? Not only that, but you throw on the big lights of MNF, SNF or ohhh say an NFC championship game or a super bowl and what do you get?

Eli is better than average when you pressure him, because he is good at reading where that pressure is coming from. Somewhere lost along all those signals, gestures, and words he yells, he is telling his RB right next to him who to block, he is calling option and smoke routes to his receivers, he is pointing out what coverage the defense is in etc.

It takes time to learn how to do all that. Not everybody is a Peyton Manning best QB in the league who gets it after 1 year.

The Giants were Highly underrated going into this year because...
1. People don't like Coughlin
2. People don't like Eli
3. People were discounting last years impossible schedule
4. People were discounting last years injuries
5. People were overstating the importance of Tiki Barber
6. People were overstating the importance of "offsides" Luke
 
Blitz.....got a question for you...

Why isnt Aaron Ross returning punts??? If Coughlin was smart he would put him back there


Mcquarters is similar is style/talent ( although not as good), but he is NOT a rookie, and the team doesn't have as much invested in him in case he gets hurt.

I think Bradshaw looks like a pretty good returner, but I don't like Droughnes returning kicks. I would generally prefer a guy with more straight away speed ( usually a receiver or corner).
 
That makes sense, Ross was a pretty sick returner as a Longhorn. I could see him as a situational returner, not full time. The Giants need to give him a shot.
 
will win over 5 to 6 games this season...



There was alot of early talk about how the G-Men won't win over 5 or 6 games this season and how the possibility was even there for them to start 0-4...


well.. they have played 3 division foes (Philly, Washington, and Dallas)... and went 2-1 against them.. and they played Dallas close even though their defense was nothing short of pathetic... plus it was on the road... still gotta replay Dallas at home...

they still have injury issues (and Jacobs is still out)...



on to top things off, this is how their next four games on the schedule looks...




they get the Jets at home...

they go to Atlanta...

they get the Niners at home...

then they have the Dolphins at home...




it is actually possible they can win those 5 or 6 games by mid-season... wouldn't you say??
Hey Brotha Im with ya as long as they play D period.... IMO skins take Div LOL I know Dallas already crowned,or philly. Philly done!!!!!!! Dallas defense better start showin me something they roll over shit teams, Giants had em but injuries so we wont know for sure .My play as team to watch is Tampa Bay !!! thats right im a fool make comments i dont care, just look out for them ..........SB TB i doubt it but theyll go DEEP!!!:cheers:
 
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