ECF Game 7 Discussion
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nbafan88
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I think Birdman gives them a tremendous boost. It's Miamis turn to bounce back and once Lebron takes over, which he without a doubt will do, the pacers will crumble. And once the pacers crumble it will get UGLY. And I don't think brothers or joe c will be officiating.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
If the Heat were a true championship team, they would have closed it out last night. Miami is arrogant and it may cost them.
This team either shows up or doesn't, last night they didn't. The Bulls series shouldn't have gone as long as it did and this ECF series shouldn't have gone 7, but it did.
It's roulette with this team.
Gonna stick by my words and still say that none can beat the Heat when they all play collectively on defense, problem is they only do it when they want to and that starts with the coach.
Indy is a good team, no doubt and presents a few match-up problems but Miami has shown the blueprint to beat them, yet they choose not to implement it in consecutive games.
Still can't believe what Spo said in the post-game presser, 'Game 7's are a treasure'. What a douche.
This team either shows up or doesn't, last night they didn't. The Bulls series shouldn't have gone as long as it did and this ECF series shouldn't have gone 7, but it did.
It's roulette with this team.
Gonna stick by my words and still say that none can beat the Heat when they all play collectively on defense, problem is they only do it when they want to and that starts with the coach.
Indy is a good team, no doubt and presents a few match-up problems but Miami has shown the blueprint to beat them, yet they choose not to implement it in consecutive games.
Still can't believe what Spo said in the post-game presser, 'Game 7's are a treasure'. What a douche.
nbafan88
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i see it completely differently... more so in a conspiracy theory kind of way... honestly a big reason i thought indy would force game 7 is because i could not fathom there not being a nba game for so long... stern is notorious for wanting series to be extended and it makes sense from a business perspective
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Not sure what Stern wants...
Pacers have taken 174 FT attempts to the Heat's 137 so far in this series with Game 6 being the only time the Heat have finished with more FTA's (19-18). It's unheard of in the 'LBJ era' of Miami basketball. Almost like Stern is trying to prove it's not a 'star driven' league in his final year in office with the no-calls the Heat are getting...
Pacers have taken 174 FT attempts to the Heat's 137 so far in this series with Game 6 being the only time the Heat have finished with more FTA's (19-18). It's unheard of in the 'LBJ era' of Miami basketball. Almost like Stern is trying to prove it's not a 'star driven' league in his final year in office with the no-calls the Heat are getting...
nbafan88
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free throws are just ONE way refs can control a game... really doesnt tell the story at all... a key offensive foul here, a palming violation there, a 5 second back to basket violation... maybe i just notice it bc i have money on the games but its gotten to be a bit ridiculous some of the calls that are made and how inconsistent the refs are.... and the timing of fouls to get players out of rhythm and off their game is another big thing... i just think there's zero chance that the pacers win tomorrow
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
yep...sad that this is true
BetCrimes1984
CTG Big Brother
Miami wins without any doubt if a Crawford refs.
BetCrimes1984
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Interesting breakdown of Game 6 (long - I've only watched parts). Starts 15 secs in...
[video=youtube;5I9z9HVdJzI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9z9HVdJzI[/video]
[video=youtube;5I9z9HVdJzI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9z9HVdJzI[/video]
It would not suprise me one bit. I was in shock at times Saturday at some of stuff that was going on.
If you are talking in general, fine. As in 'teams'.
If you are comparing to 2005 then no way. Even as a Stons guy that series was brutal to watch for the most part.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Speaking of 2005. Remember the ECF's between your 'Stons and the Heat, this series feels slightly similar. Best player in the league at the time, imo (Wade) versus the 'star-less' defensive minded Pistons. Detroit won Game 7 in South Beach. 'Stons then got owned by the Spurs just as the Pacers will if they meet this year.
That thing with Goodell 'giving' Ray-Ray his ring this past NFL season (crazy shit happened in the playoffs, the Doncs game a prime example). Would Stern give Timmy his ? Dude after all is a no nonsense ambassador for the game - a star minus all the bullshit like lens-less glasses and bad suits.
Call Mulder and Scully ?
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Let's also not forget Stern called for the Birdman's head after Game 5, had he not interfered there Andersen would have played...
BetCrimes1984
CTG Big Brother
As far as the total goes, I think someone only needs to focus on what they think Miami is going to do...
- Indy has the number 1 ranked road scoring defense, allowing 91.6 ppg.
- Last 2 post seasons they've allowed (2011-12) 95, 75, 115, (2012-13) 92, 93 & 90 regulation pt totals @Miami, for an overall avg of 93.3 ppg (dropping the highest & lowest of those totals, leaves an avg of 92.5 ppg).
- Miami has scored more points in the 2nd half in 5 of those 6 games. The only exception saw them score 1 more pt in the 1st half (38) than they did in the 2nd (37), in Game 2 of the 2011-12 2nd Round series (avg of 42.0 1st h pts, vs 51.3 2nd h pts)
- LBJ has scored 32, 28, 30, 30, 36 & 30 pt totals in these 6 home games, not once shooting at less than 45% from the field.
- Indy has the number 1 ranked road scoring defense, allowing 91.6 ppg.
- Last 2 post seasons they've allowed (2011-12) 95, 75, 115, (2012-13) 92, 93 & 90 regulation pt totals @Miami, for an overall avg of 93.3 ppg (dropping the highest & lowest of those totals, leaves an avg of 92.5 ppg).
- Miami has scored more points in the 2nd half in 5 of those 6 games. The only exception saw them score 1 more pt in the 1st half (38) than they did in the 2nd (37), in Game 2 of the 2011-12 2nd Round series (avg of 42.0 1st h pts, vs 51.3 2nd h pts)
- LBJ has scored 32, 28, 30, 30, 36 & 30 pt totals in these 6 home games, not once shooting at less than 45% from the field.
divol
The Spurs can suck my manhood
I'm not sure that I can agree that spread won't make the difference.
If Pacers will start strong and Wade and Bosh will be mediocre - and there is a very good chance it will be the case, LeBron can try and take over and win the game by himself and managing to do so, but not covering the spread.
Overall, I would feel much better as Pacers backer here than Heat backer. The spread means that if you take the Heat, you need to believe in a blowout and win by 10 - 15 points at least.
Pacers won easily Game 6, despite every sign going against them. Heat shot incredible behind the arc. I doubt they will shoot this way again. West was sick and started with 0 from 7 and again, he can be much more dominant. Pacers outplayed Heat absolutely at HT, but missed a lot of really easy shots and still, after amazing half, trailed by a point.
Stephenson - Pacers x factor for this series, was terrible on offense and while Hill made enough points for the entire backcourt, I can easily see him showing up tonight.
I can add that Pacers bench was non existent and while I doubt if will change in Game 7, it means that Pacers can repeat the easy win from Game 6.
As for the Heat, Game 6 proved few things in my mind:
1) Spoelstra is outcoached and simply can't find the answers and makes a lot of mistakes.
2) LeBron can't win by himself against the Pacers
3) The moment that refs gave Pacers small edge calling wise, it was a blow out.
4) Defense can't win against the Pacers - Joel did great job in the paint on defense, but when Heat failed to score, they simply couldn't do anything right. Heat can win only via offense and it's a problem when you face the best team on defense in your Conference.
5) Spoelstra admitted that Heat weren't built right in the summer. They went with the concept of playing Bosh and LeBron as 4 & 5 or even Bron as 5 and around him shooters - Allen and Lewis were brought for their three point shooting skills. Last year, they won against Indiana by going small and forcing Hibbert to guard a small player and caused him to get in foul trouble. Last 4 games, Spoelstra playing big with usually two big man in the paint.
Should be great game and I'm holding my fingers crossed for the Pacers to win this one!
If Pacers will start strong and Wade and Bosh will be mediocre - and there is a very good chance it will be the case, LeBron can try and take over and win the game by himself and managing to do so, but not covering the spread.
Overall, I would feel much better as Pacers backer here than Heat backer. The spread means that if you take the Heat, you need to believe in a blowout and win by 10 - 15 points at least.
Pacers won easily Game 6, despite every sign going against them. Heat shot incredible behind the arc. I doubt they will shoot this way again. West was sick and started with 0 from 7 and again, he can be much more dominant. Pacers outplayed Heat absolutely at HT, but missed a lot of really easy shots and still, after amazing half, trailed by a point.
Stephenson - Pacers x factor for this series, was terrible on offense and while Hill made enough points for the entire backcourt, I can easily see him showing up tonight.
I can add that Pacers bench was non existent and while I doubt if will change in Game 7, it means that Pacers can repeat the easy win from Game 6.
As for the Heat, Game 6 proved few things in my mind:
1) Spoelstra is outcoached and simply can't find the answers and makes a lot of mistakes.
2) LeBron can't win by himself against the Pacers
3) The moment that refs gave Pacers small edge calling wise, it was a blow out.
4) Defense can't win against the Pacers - Joel did great job in the paint on defense, but when Heat failed to score, they simply couldn't do anything right. Heat can win only via offense and it's a problem when you face the best team on defense in your Conference.
5) Spoelstra admitted that Heat weren't built right in the summer. They went with the concept of playing Bosh and LeBron as 4 & 5 or even Bron as 5 and around him shooters - Allen and Lewis were brought for their three point shooting skills. Last year, they won against Indiana by going small and forcing Hibbert to guard a small player and caused him to get in foul trouble. Last 4 games, Spoelstra playing big with usually two big man in the paint.
Should be great game and I'm holding my fingers crossed for the Pacers to win this one!
txtennisboy
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Heat win by 6
spanishshark
Youngest guy on the forum
I might take the Pacers + the points just so Miami blows them out of the water. LOL
BetCrimes1984
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IMO, you like the Pacers take them for the 1st half. Hard to go past this -
Miami has scored more points in the 2nd half in 5 of those 6 games. The only exception saw them score 1 more pt in the 1st half (38) than they did in the 2nd (37), in Game 2 of the 2011-12 2nd Round series (avg of 42.0 1st h pts, vs 51.3 2nd h pts)
I'll be taking a little flyer at Ind/Mia half-full-time double. Away/Home has already cashed in 3 of the 6 games so far, and at the odds (+ those stats above) it's worth a(nother) shot in my book.
Miami has scored more points in the 2nd half in 5 of those 6 games. The only exception saw them score 1 more pt in the 1st half (38) than they did in the 2nd (37), in Game 2 of the 2011-12 2nd Round series (avg of 42.0 1st h pts, vs 51.3 2nd h pts)
I'll be taking a little flyer at Ind/Mia half-full-time double. Away/Home has already cashed in 3 of the 6 games so far, and at the odds (+ those stats above) it's worth a(nother) shot in my book.
emkee
The Truth Is Out There
Shouldn't. If anything it is good for Indy (Foster a noted 'roadie' and 'helped' the Pacers in Game 2), as is Callahan (home team has a -18 points differential with him on the crew).
Foster is a 'line move' guy that needs to be investigated...
J Galt
Everyone's got a price.....
Will be neck and neck with the Pistons/Spurs finals. Can't imagine Stern will let that happen again
wizardofodd
Resident Newlywed
This has been the best series to watch.
Everything above, about Stern, I have thought about that, that he wants to go out, but not as a stardriven league, rigged, etc, etc...
He might just rig it enough to see Pacers advance.
Hopefully we get a great game tonight!!!
Everything above, about Stern, I have thought about that, that he wants to go out, but not as a stardriven league, rigged, etc, etc...
He might just rig it enough to see Pacers advance.
Hopefully we get a great game tonight!!!
IvyinBarondise
Pretty much a regular
absolutely right.
7 is a freaking coin flip though. Miami isn't playing well enough to win by DD's even half the time in this matchup.
spread is dead on....
Miami moneyline is the only play, there's legit value there as I don't see Miami losing more then 5/100
wizardofodd
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IvyinBarondise
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NBAfan is right...this was a storybook...those games weren't essential to the story of Miami winning against a young energetic team in 7. If you're basing your capping on the past performances of Miami. I'd refer you to their last 40 or so. OR the Pacers' WCF game 7 experience...
Miami has the best player on the planet. The team with the best player generally wins these kinds of game...especially up against the kind of lack of experience that the Pacers have.
divol
The Spurs can suck my manhood
I think you missed a zero there.
Indiana should win 50 out of 100 times such a game.
They are the better team in this series without a question in my eyes.
Can't remember a series with such one sided mach up advantages...
On the other side, Heat have the experience, the home floor and the best player.
50 - 50 in my eyes and I really can't see how, after watching this series, you can really claim that you don't see Heat losing more than 5/100 here...
Pacers were the better team in 4 out of the 6 halves played in Miami so far...
JumpOnBoard
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Wonder who would take this action:
Vegas Gambling Steam @Pregame_Steam
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txtennisboy
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wade over 16.5 pts? or over 7 ft's for bron-bron?
nbafan88
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GatorsLeafsBills
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Rumor it's spread out over 9 books.
P-Unit
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A Twitter account called Vegas Gambling Stream says the word on the street is that boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. is putting nearly $6 million on the Miami Heat tonight in Game 7.
The Heat are seven-point favorites.
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Mayweather is a big-time sports bettor who's always tweeting out pictures of his winning tickets. He's also a Heat fan. This would be the biggest bet we've seen from him.
He's also the highest-earning athlete in the world, and he just inked a deal to fight Canelo Alvarez for a rumored $40 million.
He was in attendance for Game 5 of the Heat-Pacers series. We'll see if he's there tonight.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/floyd-mayweather-bets-miami-heat-2013-6#ixzz2VBgEfiuk
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A Twitter account called Vegas Gambling Stream says the word on the street is that boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. is putting nearly $6 million on the Miami Heat tonight in Game 7.
The Heat are seven-point favorites.
<IFRAME style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #bbb 1px solid; MIN-WIDTH: 220px; BORDER-LEFT: #ddd 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 10px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; DISPLAY: block; MAX-WIDTH: 99%; BORDER-TOP: #eee 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ddd 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; borderRadius: 5px; boxShadow: 0 1px 3px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.15)" id=twitter-widget-1 class="twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered" title="Embedded Tweet" height=212 frameBorder=0 width=500 allowTransparency scrolling=no itxtNodeId="99" itxtBad="1"></IFRAME>While the account uses Pregame (a popular betting site) in its handle, it has no connection at all with the site, we're told. So who knows how much validity this rumor has.
Mayweather is a big-time sports bettor who's always tweeting out pictures of his winning tickets. He's also a Heat fan. This would be the biggest bet we've seen from him.
He's also the highest-earning athlete in the world, and he just inked a deal to fight Canelo Alvarez for a rumored $40 million.
He was in attendance for Game 5 of the Heat-Pacers series. We'll see if he's there tonight.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/floyd-mayweather-bets-miami-heat-2013-6#ixzz2VBgEfiuk
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